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#101 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-03 11:48:24
EdwardHeisler,
First you claimed I worked for ULA, then "big coal" (not sure which company that is), then Boeing, and finally "big oil" (again, ?).
Once again you have lied and falsified my post in true Trumpian fashion. Don't you ever get tired of spreading one lie after another on this board?
I didn't claim you worked for ULA. You simply refuse to answer questions about whom you are trolling and posting for on this board.
Once again: "So what industry are you posting on behalf kbd512?"
Who do you work for?
#102 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-02 20:02:42
EdwardHeisler,
China is paying lip service to cracking down on pollution, as it always has.
Once again, which "corporate polluters" should President Trump go after?
.
My god, kbd512 doesn't even bother to read posts before he comments on them! kbd512 probably writes movie reviews on films he hasn't seen! So shutting down tens of thousands of polluting companies and giving major Chinese CEO polluters jail time is in the opinion of kbd512 "paying lip service" to cracking down on pollution. How Trumpian that sounds! kbd512 clearly loves using non-existent "alternative facts" just like his role model, that beacon of hope and truth, Trump.
So kbd512 wants to know which big corporate polluters the EPA should go after. How about ALL Of THEM? kbd512 actually agrees with Trump that the EPA should not crack down on any corporate polluters!
So what industry are you posting on behalf kbd512? Big coal, big Boeing or perhaps big oil?
#103 Not So Free Chat » SpaceX Poised to Be First with Astronaut Flights, Beating Boeing » 2018-08-02 19:46:27
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 1
SpaceX Poised to Be First with Astronaut Flights, Beating Boeing
SpaceX plans to fly Demo-2, its first crewed test flight, in April 2019, while Boeing’s Crew Test Flight is now slated for mid-2019.
Bloomberg | Aug 03, 2018
Elon Musk’s Space Exploration Technologies Corp. is set to beat Boeing Co. in the battle to be the first company to ferry American astronauts to the International Space Station.
SpaceX plans to fly Demo-2, its first crewed test flight, in April 2019, while Boeing’s Crew Test Flight is now slated for mid-2019, according to a new schedule that NASA released Thursday. Both dates are later than the companies had been targeting.
NASA awarded both companies a combined $6.8 billion in September 2014 to revive the U.S.’s ability to fly to the orbiting lab without buying seats on Russian Soyuz capsules -- berths that cost about $80 million apiece.
NASA will announce which astronauts will fly with Boeing and SpaceX at an event Friday at the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft will blast off atop United Launch Alliance’s Atlas 5 rocket, while SpaceX’s Crew Dragon spacecraft will travel on the company’s workhorse Falcon 9 rocket.
Last month, the Government Accountability Office warned that the companies were slipping on their schedules toward NASA certification, with Boeing reaching that milestone in December 2019 and SpaceX a month later. It’s possible neither company will be ready to fly astronauts until August 2020, the GAO said in its report.
Part of Boeing’s delay arose from a propellant leak in June during a launch-abort engine test in New Mexico. Those engines are designed to power up if the launch rocket suffers a mishap and would eject the Starliner crew capsule to a safe distance.
“We are confident we found the cause and are moving forward with corrective action,” including some design changes, Boeing said this week.
The companies see launching astronauts as a step toward a near-future in which space travel reaches beyond low-earth orbit. Proving that SpaceX can safely fly NASA personnel would put Musk, the company’s chief executive officer, closer to his ultimate goal of carrying human colonists to Mars.
Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg has goals that are no less lofty. In speeches, he’s fond of predicting that the first person to step foot on the Red Planet will get there in a Boeing rocket.
#104 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-01 22:00:38
Once again you failed to respond to points made by posters.
I wrote:" So kbd512, is their any chance that Trump will crack down on his sponsors, corporate polluters? While China moves aggressively against corporate polluters, Trump destroys the Environmental Protection Agency and protect those who are polluting!. Dirty coal is the energy of the future!"
No response from you.
Are you tongue tied?
And are you finally retracting your big lie that China currently has a "one child" law?
Elon Musk is developing an electric powered big rig. I'm sure you will start attacking his electric truck once it begins production since you're so well informed about the truck industry. Have you ever had a commercial drivers license?
Elon Musk Reveals the Dream Truck: Tesla Semi.
#105 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-01 19:52:08
kbd512 has once again shown his ignorance of economic policy and developments in China and for that matter the world.
kbd512 wrote: "A considerable portion of their population is leaving the workforce as they age, a result of the Chinese government's "One Child" policy."
Do you still claim that China has a "one child" law? Of course, you know that's not true. So please stop spreading Trumpian type lies on this board.
The end of China’s one-child policy
by Feng Wang, Baochang Gu, and Yong Cai·
March 30, 2016
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the- … ld-policy/
And now kbd512 claims that unlike the "clean air" Trump government, China is doing nothing to combat industrial pollution !!!!!
China Shuts Down Tens Of Thousands Of Factories In Widespread Pollution Crackdown
by Trevor Nace
October 24, 2017
Forbes
China has implemented an unprecedented pollution crackdown in recent months as the country shuts down tens of thousands of factories. The effort is part of a national effort to address China's infamous pollution and has affected wide swaths of China's manufacturing sector.
In total, it is estimated that 40 percent of all China's factories have been shut down at some point in order to be inspected by environmental bureau officials. As a result of these inspections over 80,000 factories have been hit with fines and criminal offenses as a result of their emissions.
China's government has recently taken a more proactive approach in regulating environmental laws, something that was largely overlooked in past decades. The crackdown has resulted in everything from hefty fines to jail time for the more egregious violators.
China's crackdown on polluting factories will result in cleaner air and a whole host of health benefits. However, there are certainly critics that point to a potential decline in China's industrial sector and GDP growth. Ultimately, factories will have to comply and find ways to both meet production goals and environmental laws.
For the average Chinese citizen, this will mean one step closer to swapping a polluted grey sky with blue skies. In this, China follows the realization the United States made in the early 1960's when implementing the Clean Air Act.
Environmental regulations are an essential part of governing, where population health is put before capitalism. There have been hundreds of studies that point to the overall positive effect of smart environmental regulations. From increased worker health (less sick days) to less government subsidized healthcare (Medicaid/Medicare) to increased employment.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace … b016b14666
So kbd512, is their any chance that Trump will crack down on his sponsors, corporate polluters? While China moves aggressively against corporate polluters, Trump destroys the Environmental Protection Agency and protect those who are polluting!. Dirty coal is the energy of the future!
#106 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-01 15:55:04
China produced 25 million passenger cars last year, all for domestic sales, not for export.
One would have thought they would try copying the Empire State Building rather than 21st Century modern stuff! LOL
#107 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-01 13:26:30
A billion people in China live off of less than $2,000 per year and 600 million of those people live off of less than $1,000 per year. A considerable portion of their population is leaving the workforce as they age, a result of the Chinese government's "One Child" policy.
Russia is selling whatever it can just to keep their economy afloat.
kbd512 still uses obsolete and discredited right-wing talking points. He's too lazy to do any current serious research.
China began ending the "one child" policy over five years ago! But, kbd512 doesn't know that!
The end of China’s one-child policy
by Feng Wang, Baochang Gu, and Yong Cai·
March 30, 2016
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the- … ld-policy/
According to kbd512 a billion people are dirt poor in China. Sure they are kbd512.
China Wage Levels Equal To Or Surpass Parts Of Europe
by Kenneth Rapoza
Aug 16, 2017
Forbes
This may be a glass half-full moment. Either China is catching up to parts of Europe in terms of wages, or wages in the newest parts of the European Union are being capped by the global competition for labor, a competition that China wins, hands down. In reality, it's both.
China's median monthly wages in Shanghai ($1,135), Beijing ($983) and Shenzen ($938) are higher than they are in the newest European Union member, Croatia. Croatia's median net salary is $887 a month. They joined the EU in 2013.
Shanghai's median wages, in particular, are also greater than two of the newest euro members in the Baltics: Lithuania ($956) and Latvia ($1,005), with Estonia, which joined the euro in 2011, recording a median income of $1,256 per month, according to government figures for 2016.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ … face5e3e7f
Oh those poor wretched souls aimlessly walking the streets in rags. Do you send them care packages of your used outworn clothing kbd512?
kbd512 also thinks China has backward 1050's style architecture because the Chinese people, unlike kbd512, are not intelligent enough to create anything worthwhile and useful. Perhaps they need to steal some of kbd512's great ideas! LOL
Here's some examples:
And Chinese elevators only go up to the 5th floor because Chinese engineers haven't figures out how to make them go higher. After they steal U.S. elevator technology they should make it up to the 10th floor. Isn't that a newer rightwingnut talking point kbd512?
#108 Re: Not So Free Chat » SpaceX is searching for BFR landing sites for early 2020s Mars mission » 2018-08-01 07:28:24
Where do you think SLS is heading, cancellation in the next year to two?
#109 Re: Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-08-01 07:25:10
Yes.
And why not?
Do you think a growing trade war with China and Europe is a good thing that will create millions of good paying jobs in the United States or is more likely to cause an economic collapse here?
China won't hurt much from the trade tariffs. They can sell more products to the rest of the world and will increase their domestic consumption.
And if that doesn't force Trump and his Wall Street/corporate backers to pull back China can unload their 1 trillion dollars in U.S. treasury securities and park their money in Europe! Russia has already sold 80% of their U.S. securities this year!
By the way, the 2007-2008 U.S. caused great recession had no negative impact on Chinese capitalism. Their GDP was 9.7% in 2007 and 14.2% in 2008!
#110 Not So Free Chat » Tesla is going big in China » 2018-07-31 21:48:22
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 24
Tesla is going big in China
by Chris Isidore and Steven Jiang
July 10, 2018
CNN Money
Tesla already disrupted the auto industry. Now it's changing business in China, too.
For the first time, China will let a foreign automaker open up shop without a Chinese company as its partner.
Tesla has plans to open a plant in Shanghai that will one day crank out 500,000 vehicles a year — enough to rival the company's main plant in Fremont, California.
Tesla said it will be the sole owner of the factory. Until now, China has always required foreign companies to enter joint ventures with domestic companies.
Tesla expects to begin construction in the near future, after it gets the necessary government approvals. From there, the plant will take about two years to build and two to three more years to produce 500,000 vehicles a year.
CEO Elon Musk was in Shanghai on Tuesday for a ceremony with local government authorities.
"Tesla is deeply committed to the Chinese market, and we look forward to building even more cars for our customers here," said a company spokesman. "Today's announcement will not impact our US manufacturing operations, which continue to grow."
China is now the largest market for new car sales, as more Chinese consumers buy them for the first time. The world's automakers have been rushing to build plants there for the last two decades.
Those automakers have always been required to enter joint ventures and share their technology — and their profit — with Chinese partners.
But the Chinese government has been under pressure from the United States and European countries on forced joint ventures and China's alleged theft of intellectual property. That was the justification used by the Trump administration for the tariffs imposed by the United States on $50 billion of Chinese imports.
China has denied it steals trade secrets. But in April, it announced it would start loosening its joint venture requirements for foreign automakers, with the restrictions on electric car manufacturing being removed this year.
The cost of the Tesla plant was not immediately disclosed. The local government said it will be the largest manufacturing project in Shanghai's history funded at least partly by foreign investment.
Elon Musk meeting with Shanghai Mayor Ying Yong after Tesla reached a deal to build its first Chinese plant in the city
#111 Not So Free Chat » Trump Claims You Need A Photo ID To Buy Groceries! » 2018-07-31 21:20:46
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 0
President Trump Said 'You Need an ID to Buy Groceries.' The Internet Went to Town
By Ashley Hoffman
July31, 2018
Time.co
President Donald Trump’s latest head-scratching comment has lit up the internet.
“You know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture,” Trump said at Tuesday night’s Tampa, Fla., rally to drum up support for GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis’ gubernatorial bid.
He was – in the moment – throwing his support behind tougher ID requirements for voters.
“Only American citizens should vote in American elections. The time has come for voter ID like everything else,” Trump said.
He deployed that claim as he was saying that the only time people don’t need to present their identification card is when they want to place a vote.
He may have been referring to stores that ask to see IDs from credit card holders, but the comment became the fodder for a Twitter-wide joke from people calling out that you don’t need to show your ID to get what you need at the supermarket.
Most people quickly set about riffing on the comment. Some took the comment even further by wondering when the POTUS last made a trip to the supermarket.
#112 Not So Free Chat » SpaceX is searching for BFR landing sites for early 2020s Mars mission » 2018-07-31 21:01:45
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 11
SpaceX is searching for BFR landing sites for early 2020s Mars missions
By Eric Ralph
July 31, 2018
Teslarati
SpaceX Principal Mars Development Engineer Paul Wooster gave a surprise talk at a June 2018 meeting of the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group, where he provided a brief overview of SpaceX’s plans for the Red Planet, ranging from prospective landing sites for the company’s first missions there to the possibility of including significant secondary payloads on BFR and Falcon Heavy launches.
Wooster reiterated that SpaceX is still targeting the early 2020s for its first true BFR missions to Mars, perhaps less than five years from today. He further discussed prospective landing locations on the planet, emphasizing a need for a smooth landing site, easy access to on or near-surface water ice, and a preference for the warmer and more forgiving mid and low (equatorial) latitudes. A huge amount of work admittedly remains before the company before those missions are even remotely conceivable, especially missions with crew onboard.
If/when SpaceX successfully debuts its Crew Dragon spacecraft and demonstrates the ability to reliably and safely transport humans to and from orbit, a huge amount of the risk currently innate in any long-term interplanetary transport and colony creation will be definitively retired, transforming several of the major problems at hand from clean-slate tech development to optimizing and scaling up functional first-generation designs and hardware.
Crew Dragon’s official uncrewed demonstration debut (DM-1) and perhaps the crewed demonstration follow-on mission (DM-2) will likely have real launch dates announced later this week in an August 3 NASA press conference. Reliable sources have pegged those dates around October-December for DM-1 and 3-6 months later for DM-2
Nevertheless, SpaceX is demonstrably hard at work designing and building BFR‘s booster, spaceship, and tanker and is moving quickly in the direction of full-scale engineering and production. Much of that prototype manufacturing happens to be taking place in a temporary tent installed in a Port of Los Angeles parking lot near the end of 2017. According to one source engaged in the work there, SpaceX technicians and engineers have already begun rolling out preliminary materials and engineering samples of carbon composite structures and propellant tanks with the massive manufacturing tools (one known as a mandrel) temporarily housed inside.
Just a few miles away, the company is busy preparing a construction site for a permanent BFR factory on a plot of Port of Los Angeles land known as Berth 240. The smaller Phase 1 of that BFR factory is expected to be completed roughly a year after construction begins, placing the inauguration of the dedicated facility sometime around the middle of 2019. Suborbital launches of the massive rocket’s upper stage spaceship are expected in 2019, while orbital launches of BFR are NET 2020.
Read the full summary of Mr. Wooster’s presentation below.
“A walk-on presentation was given by Paul Wooster of SpaceX which highlighted the recent successful test of the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle with its potentially very large payload capacity (100 metric tons). Using the Falcon Heavy and development of an even larger Big Falcon Rocket (BFR) launcher are the basis of their ambitious plans for the future exploration and colonization of Mars, potentially launching missions to Mars within the early 2020s. SpaceX’s current landing site candidates for Mars were shown, having been chosen to provide access to near-surface ice, few landing site hazards (such as large rocks), and enough space for potentially growing a sizeable outpost. The ice sites are in high mid-latitudes and the search for lower latitude candidates, which are preferred, continues. Previously, MEPAG had been told that SpaceX could transport for-fee payloads to the Mars surface. In response to questions, Paul iterated that there is likely to be capacity for secondary payloads on either the Falcon Heavy or BFR launchers, although details remain to be negotiated once the launcher capabilities are firmly established.”
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-bfr-ma … site-2020/
#113 Re: Not So Free Chat » Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway » 2018-07-30 19:12:22
kbd512 repeats the old and discredited extreme right-wing talking points attacking Elon Musk.
Is he trying to get a propaganda. job with ULA with his trolling or is he already on their payroll getting paid by the word for his posts attacking Musk, SpaceX, Tesla, etc.,?
Elon Musk vs. the Trolls
Are business rivals behind online attacks on the Tesla CEO?
By Paul Barrett
Bloomberg Businessweek
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … the-trolls
Right-wing group led by Trump propagandist launches campaign against Elon Musk, Tesla and SpaceX
by Fred Lambert
Electrek
https://electrek.co/2016/11/22/elon-mus … la-spacex/
The War on Tesla, Musk, and the Fight for the Future
May 29, 2018
Daily Kos
#114 Re: Not So Free Chat » Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway » 2018-07-30 07:31:17
I wasn't replying to your post.
It was a response to the Trumpeter ULA troll post.
#115 Re: Not So Free Chat » Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway » 2018-07-29 21:41:42
When Trumpeter trolls write or speak their political comments simply repeat uninformed nonsense and personal attacks that don't deserve a response. And some of these know nothing "commentators" on this forum are obvious trolls repeating the anti-SpaceX propaganda campaign talking points of the United Launch Alliance.
The ULA clearly has a few anti-SpaceX trolls on our board. Perhaps just one.
#116 Not So Free Chat » SpaceX's Mars Development Engineer Head, To Speak At Our Convention! » 2018-07-29 11:00:43
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 0
Paul Wooster, Principal Mars Development Engineer, SpaceX Will Address Mars Society Convention On SpaceX's Plans For Mars on August 25th, 9:30 AM
#117 Not So Free Chat » Gwynne Shotwell, President and Chief Operating Officer of SpaceX » 2018-07-29 09:19:50
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 0
Gwynne Shotwell
President and Chief Operating Officer of SpaceX
Gwynne Shotwell talks about her love for math and science, what first sparked her interest in engineering, her work at SpaceX, and how she became one of Forbes' Top 100 Most Powerful Women in the World.
Check out the videos.
#118 Re: Not So Free Chat » Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway » 2018-07-28 19:52:13
Nasa does not really care if China likes or dislikes as they have not been invited and probably will not be anytime soon until they are will to take part in delivering new modules to the iss and seeing how that works out first.
NASA is rapidly becoming irrelevant. China does not need the NASA space station. ISS will be abandoned in six year or less unless Congress wants to spend tens of billions of dollars more for the ISS urine collector and theirr decades old rocket technology, the SLS.
While NASA fiddles around with a Moon Gateway that will never be built the Chinese National Space Administration along with the European Space Agency and perhaps Russia will explore the surface of the Moon and will have boots on the ground long before NASA.
And SpaceX will send human explorers (an international crew that includes Chinese) to Mars while NASA will continue to consider sending another rover to Mars.
The Trump government is far more interested in achieving "domination" and empire in outer space with his "Space Force Warriors"!
Yahoooo!
And the Trump government clearly has no interest in science and space exploration research unless it has a war application.
Trump doubles record for longest time without science adviser
By Aris Folley - 07/27/18
The Hill
President Trump this week broke the record for going the longest time without a science adviser among modern presidents.
According to The Washington Post, Trump this week reached double the length of time any modern president has gone without selecting a science adviser.
Former President George W. Bush previously held the record, serving as president for nine months and four days without selecting someone for the role.
Former Presidents Obama, Kennedy, Nixon and Clinton selected their science adviser picks prior to assuming office.
A Post analysis found that every president since Eisenhower filled the role by the first October of their administration, excluding Trump.
“There are many things about the Trump presidency that are historic, and the disregard for science will be seen as high on the list,” said Kumar Garg, a member of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) under Obama.
OSTP was first established by Congress in 1976 to provide the president with advice on the scientific, engineering and technological aspects of “the economy, national security, homeland security, health, foreign relations, the environment, and the technological recovery and use of resources, among other topics,” according to the office’s website.
“If you had asked somebody at the start of the administration if we would be approaching this sort of marker, they would have been shocked,” Garg continued. “The science community should want the position filled and should want the position filled with someone who is qualified and capable.”
The Post's analysis comes a day after Sen. Christopher Coons (D-Del.) urged Trump to fill the role.
“Currently, nine out of ten key OSTP staff positions remain vacant,” Coons said Monday in a letter to the president.
“I remain quite concerned that, when it comes to science, America is falling behind its major competitors. China, for example, is ramping up its science and technology innovation efforts significantly,” Coons continued.
Coons added that to ensure the U.S. is able to compete with China science and technology innovation, Trump should “strongly prioritize science and technology innovation and invest in OSTP by filling vacancies in key positions, ensuring that your administration has access to science and technology advice.”
#119 Not So Free Chat » Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway » 2018-07-19 07:49:56
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 15
Chinese space official seems unimpressed with NASA’s lunar gateway
China plans to focus its activities on a surface science station.
Eric Berger - 7/17/2018
ARS Technica
This week, the European and Chinese space agencies held a workshop in Amsterdam to discuss cooperation between Europe and China on lunar science missions. The meeting comes as Europe seems increasingly content to work with China on spaceflight programs.
Although the meeting is not being streamed online, space systems designer and lunar exploration enthusiast Angeliki Kapoglou has been providing some coverage of the meeting via Twitter. Among the most interesting things she has shared are slides from a presentation by Pei Zhaoyu, who is deputy director of the Lunar Exploration and Space Program Center of the China National Space Administration.
Overall, Pei does not appear to be a fan of NASA's plan to build a deep space gateway, formally known as the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway, at a near-rectilinear halo orbit. Whereas NASA will focus its activities on this gateway away from the Moon, Pei said China will focus on a "lunar scientific research station."
Another slide from Pei offered some thoughts on the gateway concept, which NASA intends to build out during the 2020s, delaying a human landing on the Moon until the end of the decade at the earliest. Pei does not appear to be certain about the scientific objectives of such a station, and the deputy director concludes that, from a cost-benefit standpoint, the gateway would have "lost cost-effectiveness."
The Trump administration and the US aerospace contractor community has generally fallen in line behind the gateway concept, stating that it will help NASA prove out the technologies it needs for a long-term, sustainable deep space exploration program for humans that would eventually include landings on the Moon and Mars.
However, some critics have suggested that the gateway will only serve to delay NASA astronaut activity on the Moon. Moreover, they're concerned that the gateway, situated in its distant orbit around the Moon, was specifically engineered to give NASA's Space Launch System rocket and Orion spacecraft a place to go. (This rocket, with a limited upper stage, and spacecraft, with a meager service module, can't actually fly into a significant gravity well and return to Earth.)
So far, NASA has yet to finalize commitments with Europe, Russia, or other International Space Station partners on contributions to the gateway. While European officials are interested, it seems like they may also be willing to go along with China if that country has a more direct plan to land humans on the Moon.
#120 Re: Not So Free Chat » Putin says he wanted Trump to beat Clinton » 2018-07-17 20:26:27
Clinton's closest aide is the daughter of Saudi family who propagandised in the USA (via a magazine) for an extreme form of Sharia. HA was associated with the family's activities. Anything about this in the New York Times, on CNN ever? I doubt it. This is before we get on to pay to play donations to the Clinton Foundation...By comparison Trump is squeaky clean.
How do you know that is true. Trump hasn't released any of his tax returns or any information on his business dealings with Russian capitalists. And we haven't seen any of the investigation findings with the exception of indictments that have been made. There will be many more.
More reasonable people believe that Putin has some materials and information indicating that Trump has helped to launder Russian money using Trumps numerous business interests in the world. That would certainly explain Trumps groveling before Putin. We will find out what shady business dealings and criminal activities Trump and his family have been involved in if the special prosecutor is not fired by Trump.
That's probably why Trump and his apologists have been engaged in constant attacks on the FBI and the special prosecutor. If you throw enough mud some of it may stick. Trump's propaganda campaign against the investigation is laying the basis for an presidential decree firing the special prosecutor, the Depurty Attorney General and any other government officials who stand Trumps way of ending the investigation of his billionaire family empire.
Let the investigation continue and we'll find out the truth. If the Trump clan is clean they won't and can't be prosecuted and/or be impeached.
#121 Not So Free Chat » The Big Day Is Here! Congrats To The Happy Couple! » 2018-07-16 21:00:43
- EdwardHeisler
- Replies: 0
#122 Re: Not So Free Chat » Putin says he wanted Trump to beat Clinton » 2018-07-16 20:45:53
kbd512: You still have not responded the post by SpaceNut and continue to make irrelevant comments.
And now using another standard operating procedure of right-wing trolls and the President you adore, you just make shit up without providing documentation!
You falsely claimed that President Obama said that the elections "were free and fair, and represented the will of the American people on national television"
That's yet another lie posted by you. I saw the full youtube video of his statement. Obama never said that. Did you listen to the video with your mouth instead of your ears?
So stop posting your Trumpian like lies on this board.
Posters can read the full transcript of what President Obama actually said at https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th … -president
You didn't want us to read the transcript. The transcript exposes your deception and lie and that explains your failure to post a link to it.
You have no credibility here based on your constant lies, deceptions, misleading talking points and constant attempts to change the subject when you can't respond effectively to a point made by a poster.
You've disrespected posters and this board long enough.
#123 Re: Not So Free Chat » Putin says he wanted Trump to beat Clinton » 2018-07-16 15:32:03
You did not respond to the post by SpaceNut and instead raised a different matter which is the standard operating procedures of trolls.
And when you make Trump like claims you might consider posting credible links which you rarely do.
#124 Re: Not So Free Chat » Physicians Support A Single-Payer Medicare-for-All Health Care Program » 2018-07-16 13:30:45
It's clear that your billionaire hero, role model and traitor, Trump, is the one who needs to see a shrink. Along with his "know-nothing" cultists such as yourself.
Leave this discussion board. We are not bigots. The Mars Society does not support racism and bigotry. There are several white supremacist boards you'll be far more comfortable posting on. I don't think anyone else from here will be joining you on your journey to these boards.
#125 Re: Not So Free Chat » Physicians Support A Single-Payer Medicare-for-All Health Care Program » 2018-07-16 11:04:00
Why do you support a President who is guilty of treason and who hates a free press, the Bill of Rights and anyone who is not white?
From your behavior in support of Trump and his fellow bigots, one has to conclude that you are also a racist and counterfeit patriot.
If you hate our democratic rights and freedoms so much feel free to leave this nation. Perhaps you'll be happier in Russia or North Korea.
Will you be leaving anytime soon? I'll help you pack your tent!