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#76 Re: Not So Free Chat » A "Yes These People Actually Exist Moment" - Phyllis Reincarnated. » 2004-05-06 06:49:39

From your website:


1) Each cell has 2 meters of DNA

Correct. <sigh> you make such a promising start


2) Average person has 75 trillion cells.

The number of cells in the average human body is closer to 10 trillion; you are either including bacteria or are enourmously fat - either way, you are wrong.


3) Length of DNA in a person=150 x 10 to the 12th power in meters or 46,500,000,000 miles.

Its closer to 15 bn miles - but i can see this is just a follow-on mistake from your earlier miscalculation, so i'll let you off.


4) Distance from earth to sun= 150 x 10 to the 9th power in meters or 93,000,000 miles.

woo hoo - back to reality


Some answers:

1) If you were to stretch out the DNA in one cell in a straight line it would be 2 meters long.

Once again, you make a promising start


2) From head to toe, a person has 75 trillion cells. Blood cells, bone cells, brain cells etc... Everything in your body is made up of living cells!

Once again, simply not true.


3) If you took all the DNA that's in your body and stretched it out. You could go the the sun from earth and back again, 500 times!

Closer to 150 times. Your mistake again lies in your earlier calculation, but this isnt the real problem i have with your piece so i shant dwell on it to much.


4) Distance to the sun 93,000,000 miles. 93,000,000m x 500 = 46,500,000,000 miles is how long your DNA is in your whole body!

See above...


How much information can DNA hold?

The DNA molecule found in the nucleus of all cells can hold more information in a cubic centimeter than a trillion music CDs. A spoonful of Shapiro's "computer soup" contains 15,000 trillion computers. And its energy-efficiency is more than a million times that of a PC.

Largely correct - almost entirely irrelevant.


Now since you have read all this. How big is 2%?

2% of 75 trillion cells

2%  of 46,500,000,000 miles of DNA

<sigh>


2% of a trillion music CD's( each CD holds 700 megs of data).If "one" music cd can hold 700 megs, 2% of that would be 14 megs(the 2% of one cd). So 14 megs times 1 trillion = 14 trillion megs! This is how much information 1 DNA molecule holds at the 2% level. And since there are 75 trillion cells, average, in the human body to get the total DNA information, it would be 14 trillion(information on one DNA molecule) times 75 trillion molecules(average DNA molecules in a human body). So 14 trillion times 75 trillion = 1050 trillion megs of  DNA information through out your whole body. 2% of that is 21 trillion megs. Get the picture?


Where do i start.

It is true that a single cubic cm of dried DNA can hold roughly a trillion music cds of information, however, there is not a cubic cm of material in every cell so your "75 trillion cells multiplied by 1 trillion CD's" comparison is wildly innacurate. You have obviously, somehow, equated 2 m of DNA length to 1 cubic cm of dried DNA.


Every cell in the human body holds exactly the same DNA as the cell next to it. That single sequence of DNA hold all the information that any cell in the body needs in order to do its little job. Therefore mutiplying the number of cells by the length of DNA is an entirely pointless exercise.


You have also displayed a blatant ignorance of primary-school mathematics by twice taking the a 2% value from your total.


A watermelon, a cloud and a Jellyfish only differ by 2%! But are they related? They all contain 98% water. So they are only different by 2%

This statement displays such basic lack of understanding of the actual discussion that i am honestly left speechless.


If you ever had any doubts about this Evolution-Creation thing, you won't after I explain this.

Painfully ironic. If this is the sort of argument creationists put forward it is little wonder that you constantly have to fall back to your "God can 'Speak' everything into existence" argument. A six year-old child could comfortably rip you to pieces in a debate, and all without lifting his eyes from his gameboy. Your basic understanding of science and mathematics is so bad that i find it a wonder you can spell, let alone type - but maybe you got god to 'speak' your post into existence.

#77 Re: Not So Free Chat » A "Yes These People Actually Exist Moment" - Phyllis Reincarnated. » 2004-05-03 05:05:56

According to the YEC HEADQUARTERS the average person has 75 trillion cells.

You should read this, its pretty funny.

http://yecheadquarters.org/catalog1.2.html]LOL

#78 Re: Not So Free Chat » A "Yes These People Actually Exist Moment" - Phyllis Reincarnated. » 2004-05-02 12:13:12

ok.......

If God is all powerfull (which im not contesting)

and can 'speak' anything into existence


Why did it take him six days?


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Doesnt sound like a days work to me - more like 30 seconds. But if he didnt rest till the 7th day, what was he doing for the rest of the time?


Or maybe God didnt tell us everything, maybe he just wanted to get across the point that he made everything, and he did it in stages, and it was actually quite hard and he was proud of his little project and he didnt want us to get the impression that he had rushed things or cut any corners?

#79 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Alcubierre Warp Drive » 2004-04-28 06:13:18

I always though there was an absolute reference frame anyway!?!?! To me the speed of light has always been a limit on the speed of observations.

Sorry, ill try and expalin what i mean (feel free to shoot me down and torture me for military secrets btw)



Three stars  A,C,E; equi-distant from one another at 4 light years,  and three friends algol, clark and euler (at their respective stars)

I'm algol (at A). I jump in my FTL ship and fly to C in two years to visit clark. I arrive at C before clark sees me even leaving A (this will not happen for 2 years), i phone euler on my FTL (lets say for the sake of argument that its instant)phone and tell him im visting clark and he also cannot see that i have left yet.


Now, the moment my ship arrives at C (clark will not have seen it coming) it will appear to instantly travel backwards (as all the light from the ship during the trip catches up with the ship and C, it will appear to travel backwards for 2 years until the light from when i left reaches C.

However to euler at E, the ship will appear to leave A two years after the call (4 years after i left) and he will be able to watch me make the transit from A to C in two years (because he is observing the trip perpendicular to the FTL travel. He could call someone (on the inst-phone) at A to check, but i would be long gone despite what he could see.

Now, if i left a friend behind on A, because i am travelling directly away from him, he would not see me arrive on C for 6 years.

Now, this is the fun bit.

If i left C as soon as i got there (after the phone call to E) and went home (in two years again) i would once again arrive back in A without my friend seeing me coming. As soon as my ship arrived my friend (and I) would see the light from the trip catching up with A and appearing to show my craft travelling backwards back to C (this would again last 2 years - the trip time) Interestingly though i would see two images of my craft, one from the outbound (to C) journey and one from the inbound journey arrive at C at the same time.

Anyway, what im saying is that you may be able to arrive somewhere before you apper to have left but there is no way to circuvent causality.


Apologes to the board for the worst explanation of anything. Ever.

#80 Re: Human missions » New Space Race - Private vs. NASA » 2004-04-27 10:41:11

In a ram-jet the incoming air is slowed to sub-sonic speeds before ignition to produce a supersonic exhaust and thus travel at supersonic speeds. Scramjets have a slightly simpler design (which hides the fact that they are far more complex in reality for various reasons) but they dont slow down the exhaust to sub-sonic speeds, the air is combusted at supersonic speeds, hence supersonic combustible ramjet.


Heres a link which quickly explains it better than I.

http://www.aviation-history.com/engines/ramjet.htm]The Ramjet/Scramjet Engine

#81 Re: Not So Free Chat » Message Board Adequate » 2004-04-26 13:00:30

And what, exactly, is the purpose?

Will flaming people publicly in a special thread actually achieve anything? If you have a problem, pm someone.

Anyway, getting back on topic, wasnt someone saying something about santa?  smile

#82 Re: Human missions » New Space Race - Private vs. NASA » 2004-04-26 09:46:47

Ah i see. I though you were proposing a method of getting the scramjet to work from a stand still.  :laugh:

#83 Re: Life on Mars » Settlement Patterns - How I Think The Red Planet Would Be Won » 2004-04-26 08:37:01

But last would be the farm habs themselves. There's no reason to build them right next to the railheads; anywhere within truck range will be fine. And given the sorts of people likely to settle Mars, adventurous people who are mentally capable of enduring more isolation than the norm and signed up to settle a new frontier, it's likely that small clusters of farm domes with a hab or two will be scattered at random across the landscape within that truck range. Probably each one would either be just within or just outside of visual range of the next, depending on whether the particular settler who built it liked to have a constant visual reminder of other people or whether they preferred the illusion that they were Lord Of All They Survey.

I'd have though the farm habs would cluster together to rorm a sort of farming community. This would bring advantages in transport as the rail head would go to where the communities are. Also Farmers wold be able to support each other and be able to deal with the colonies with a common front (i.e unionise)

#84 Re: Civilization and Culture » Sports on Mars - What kind of sports will Martians play? » 2004-04-26 08:29:30

there really isn't a sport that I can think of that allows for the meaningless release of agression and tension. So I predict a Martian innovation here of some form: a contact sport which can be played in a small indoor area with no more equipment than a ball

Boxing?  :;):

Scrap the rink and the sticks - just let them go at each other!  big_smile

#85 Re: Human missions » New Space Race - Private vs. NASA » 2004-04-25 17:42:12

and I think that a private venture will need a friction-preheated Scramjet engine

GCNRevenger - What is the concept behind friction pre-heating the scramjet?

My understanding of teh concept was that at low speeds not enough oxygen passes through the engine for it to work (as it is incapable of drawing any in) - it isnt until higher speeds combined with a large 'mouth' (for want of a better word at the moment) that enough atmospheric oxygen can pass through teh engine for it to work.

#86 Re: Human missions » New Space Race - Private vs. NASA » 2004-04-25 12:56:30

Once the X-Prize teams establish themselves in the commercial SO market they will represnt viable buisnesses, and as such will attract investment.

No one can knock-up anything capable of reaching orbit in their garage, but they will have created a SO vehicle on a shoestring and i for one would be interested to see what they can achieve given the funding.

These teams are full of passionate people full of ideas and enthusiasm, personally i'm confident that some of the teams will eventually make the transition.

#87 Re: Civilization and Culture » Militarization -Before- Colonization? » 2004-04-22 16:37:20

People at the top of society usually emphasis the need for peace; people at the bottom of society usually emphasis the need for justice.

I like that, i like that alot.  smile

#88 Re: Not So Free Chat » US- Russian space cooperation - Whats the plan? » 2004-04-16 12:53:34

Some of us view ESAs step back from completing the Hermes project as a good thing and NASAs inability to let go of the shuttle and see it for what it is/was could be seen as a lack of leadership.

#89 Re: Not So Free Chat » A "Yes These People Actually Exist Moment" - Phyllis Reincarnated. » 2004-04-16 09:35:43

A quick question.

Where does the 6000 year figure come from?
And how are the creationists so sure its been 6000 as opposed to say 7000, or 18000 etc?

#91 Re: Life support systems » Lets brainstorm on suit design - We will need suits after all » 2004-04-14 10:26:40

Mechanical counter pressure suits also have problems at the back of the knees and elbows where air pockets are needed to facilitate movement as well as the chest (for men) for breathing. The main problem i have when considering them though is the change in volume fo your body as you move - muscles etc. I cant think of a decent way to take account of muscles expandinga and contracting.....


But i do believe they offer a partial answer to the need for a durable mars-suit. A hybrid design will eventually be decided upon in my opinion.

#92 Re: Planetary transportation » Combining the Rover and Hab - Go RV'ing! » 2004-03-30 16:51:47

Travelling at an average speed of 30kph for 9 hours a day the equator of mars could be traversed in just under 80 days.

Makes you think, they gotta give you some spare time....... ???

#93 Re: Human missions » WANTED: » 2004-03-28 11:54:47

FOR SALE:

Recently restored sub-light interplanetary spacecraft. Painstakingly rebuilt to original 1960's specification after accident in Nevada, US. Fusion engine has been extensively rebuilt using original parts where possible and tuned to give 100Mmillion/gallon, exterior is finished in british racing green, ox-blood leather interior. Must sell due to imminent birth of child and need something more familly friendly. Perect for those occasional galactic getaways. Open to any serious offer. No time wasters please!

#94 Re: Not So Free Chat » Money for Campaigns » 2004-03-17 15:34:27

How would you take into account people campaigning during primaries? Would the candidates have access to the $80m? Or would they have to raise their own money, and if so wouldnt that work out as extar campaigning money for the candidate who won the nomination?  ???

#95 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Volcanic Holocaust - Monster Eruption Overdue. » 2004-03-16 04:05:14

Apparently the last time it blew it covered the whole of north-america in 20 metres of ash! Thats not something the rain is just going to wash away. sad

Bill Brysons : A Short History of Nearly Everything, has a good chapter on imminent natural disasters - makes you stop and think  ???

#96 Re: Life support systems » Robot Colony - Robots prepping for a human mission. » 2004-03-12 11:32:03

This is what i was saying about rapid-prototyping machinery to cut down the mass of the initial seed.

#97 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Fussion power plant - A way to make it work » 2004-03-03 12:14:02

Its a sound idea but the ammount of antimatter that is produced each year in big accelerator labs such as CERN or Fermilab corresponds to the energy that would allow a 100 W light bulb to shine for 15 minutes. Also, making antiprotons costs about 10  billion times more energy than is finally stored in their mass.

#98 Re: Terraformation » Should we colonize Europa and Ganamedie! - Nice place to live » 2004-02-24 14:00:07

[=http://www.spacedaily.com/news/jupiter-europa-04a.html]Is Europa Corrosive?

Might prove a problem........

#99 Re: Not So Free Chat » Appropriate Topics: On War and Politics » 2004-02-24 13:43:19

or all that lead.....

they were exposed to so much in their wine and water systems they effectively sent the ruling classes insane, and as such could not effectively govern their empire.

#100 Re: Not So Free Chat » Foreign-Born Presidents? - ...(another can of worms?) » 2004-02-23 14:57:36

Personally, i think the cultural and ethnic diversity and freedoms within the United States are its major redeeming factor. Practically every culture in the world is represented in some niche somewhere within its borders and thats precisely why a non native president should be acceptable.

A lot of foreigners would make better presidents than a lot of 'natives'.

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