New Mars Forums

It is not important.  Should you decide to do an asteroid you could.  If you have the means you might do a comet.

The Dinasaur killer was about 10km or 6 miles in diameter, I believe and many of the asteroids that cross both Earth and Mars orbits are maybe 1.5km or 3km, which is much more manageable A big one would mess up existing human structures on Mars.  Smaller can be better.

And a cratering event could also be used to uncover the overburden over a mineral deposit.

Yes if you have the means, you can do your comets, but why then should you forbid the asteroids?

Quote:

Well if you warm the North Pole, and expand the atmosphere, then the Northern Hemisphere might develop a very marginal Troposphere where snowfalls could become normal.  But in general, then the high places are where the water will migrate to.  I suppose it might be useful to transfer much of the ice from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere.

Hellas will be an exception as it will develop as much a troposphere or better than will the Northern Hemisphere.  The Shield Volcano's also are likely to build ice caps.

There is something rather magical about the Northern Ice cap.  If you evaporate it, then there will be seasonal snowpack which may melt in the summer.  This would water open air farming, or under dome farming.  Also it could fill lakes.  In Alaska where you have a sufficient growing season, farming can be rather productive, due to the very long summer days.

Mars seasons are longer.

365 / 687 = 0.53 so a Mars "Growing Season" with midnight sun, could be almost twice as long as for Earths north pole.

The use of particles and greenhouse gasses would help maintain a usable warmth perhaps.  And the use of mirrors and microwaves may help as well.  I think microwaves could be used against killing frosts as well as mirrors.

And I have already said that the midnight sun would be a factor.  If you do not have a night, you are much less likely to have a killing frost.

So, although it may be prudent to also have transparent greenhouses, the North Pole could become a very important agricultural area.

Where on Earth you might expect to have a 60 day growing season, which is too short for the crops I am aware of, having a growing season of 110 days more or less would be rather acceptable.

As for the Southern Ice cap, as it will be at a higher elevation, it will be much colder than the Northern "Farmland".

Tunneling into it to make a massive robot city will allow the creation of a large amount of pressurized volume which would be very suitable to Robots, and not that bad for Humans.  -10 Degrees C in the vaults could be endured by humans and might be very useful to robots.  Robots have to cool their actuator motors and other parts.

If the ice migrates from the North to the south, the size of the cap in the south will grow.  Tunneled ice could be melted and run down ice covered rivers/canals/tunnels, to Hellas to generate hydro-electric power.  Also to irrigate the Hellas Depression.

I think that on Earth it might be convenient to make robot cities in the ice caps, where the ice is relatively stable, as the air inside would assist the robots in cooling their motors and other parts.

Anyway, you can dream as you like, but I tried to get in step with your concept and draw the maximum value from it.

Enjoy it the way you want.

Ending Pending

You can look at it that way if you want to, but:
-Mars crossing asteroids will have a lot of energy and they offer opportunities.
-I am afraid I regard what you have said as the classical "Binary Evaluation", which I consider poor thinking.  It does not forbid working with comets but also may allow asteroids.
-Metals from asteroids might be recoverable on the ground.
-Protection of Earth might be part of a calculation, of value of action.

Quote:

I don't need to.  Calculating will not change what is true.  And they are not the same.

Here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhz48gI … entProblem
Quote:

Eventually 2-day work week or 1 week of 5 days once a month.

Now I have a use for Bernie Sanders.

Theoretically the American people own the land and waters of the nation. 

So, then rent is that the owners of robots will pay favors to the society and if external to the nation, perhaps tariffs.

Without Tariffs, some other nation could build infinite robots and outproduce a nation, maybe even the USA.  So, you will need Tariffs.

Or they will take everything they want and squash the people.  But the high-powered people such as Elon Musk, and others are in competition with each other to some degree.

So, they will need to find allies with the "Bernie's", in order to compete.  (Ideally).

In China?  I don't know, it will be discovered.

Ending Pending

An Import from the works of Calliban: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 06#p233206
Quote:

The reason I have taken a clone of the work of Calliban, is I want a place to work on "TARS-Ring" methods.  If I continued on the topic from (th), "Index» Interplanetary transportation» Spin Launch SpinLaunch Vacuum Launches Centrifuge Launched Mass", I fear I will take his topic too far "Off-Topic", so I can work on what I want to here without that problem.

A "TARS-Ring" may have merit, but is rather a large endeavor.  But then so is a shell world.  My target world is 10 Hygea, as it is small and so far, I think it has most or all of the qualities per composition that may be desired.

A TARS-Ring might orbit around this tiny world.  It may have vanes that react to the inertia of the sunlight from our star, to produce spin as a product.

It is possible that it is not the best plan, perhaps space elevators alone would work, but I want to explore it.

The ring would have a slide-trench into which materials launched to the ring could by friction and centrifugal force slide into capture of the materials.

So, it might be possible to hollow out 10 Hygea, to make vast chambers, maybe even in the core of the object.  The spoils/tailings would be disposed of to the ring, to be separated into things to further build the ring from and things to be ejected to another location in the solar system.

The sails (Vanes), pivot on a bearing, rather than using variable pigmentation to selectively use sunlight.

This allows the ring to spin at a different rate than 10 Hygea.

The cavities inside of 10 Hygea could host habitats, such as spin gravity habitats.

But also spin gravity devices could be hosted on the outside of the ring, resembling attached Farris Wheels.

The ring and 10 Hygea could be magnetically coupled to each other to retain centering and to exchange spin energy.

There would be various ways to eject materials from 10 Hygea in "Sub-Orbital" paths that would be low energy cost, and so then the friction slide and centrifuge capture method would then spin the material up to be captured into a ring-like trough-slide.

This might resemble an air filled ring world as some have imagined, but I do not intend to fill the ring trough with air or probably even water.  Rather regolith soil and ice to fill it.

If the scheme is worth it, then eventually it could be imported to other worlds from Ceres, and even perhaps to Mercury, in an even more fantastic imagining. 

https://e-alderson.medium.com/ringworlds-225aa3cf063a
Image Quote:

So, as I have said, I do not intend that the trough of the ring be filled with greenery, liquid water, or air, rather it is to catch soil and ice flung from a icy dirty world centered inside of the ring.

Various methods of Flinging could be used such as Mass Drivers, and such, and maybe Neumann Drive or Magdrive "Ejections", or maybe even space elevators, should the ring be very large.

But the other purpose of the ring is to catch photons appropriately to spin the ring as a method of stored energy, to use to eject payloads.

And the rings' outer surface might support mass drivers as well.

Anyway, a bit of an expansion of the imagination.  Just taking apart 10 Hygea and Ceres would provide an enormous number of materials for a civilization.  Doing it to Mercury some day?  Well, that would be a long way off, but the sunlight for the ring spin would be very strong.

Ending Pending

Well sending the jobs out to places like China was the thing done in the era of the Globalists.

The alternate process being tried now, along with more advance robots to amplify human efforts has potential to bring manufacturing back to the USA, and along with that wealth.  If there is wealth then people will want to spend it.  If they spend it they may very well create jobs for the things they want to spend money on.

Ending Pending

Perhaps looking for truth here: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC  Quote:

Any verbal and violent empire could do the same thing.  I sort of thing at times the Romans were like this

Ending Pending

I recall a plan that hoped to cut a comet into pieces and sequentially impact the pieces in one place, digging a hole deep enough for liquid water to survive.  The heat generated would persist for some time in the ground, and the depth would have allowed for a sufficient atmospheric pressure in that hole.

But I will say that should a lake in that hole, freeze over, then dust would probably cover the ice and the lake might eventually freeze very deep maybe down to the bottom.

But if you had robots to clean the dust from the ice, then you would do better.  If you could keep open water then perhaps that would work but your hole would begin to fill up with dust in the lake water.

In some conversations historically some members have claimed that such impacts would fracture the bedrock and make mining more expensive or impossible.

I don't know if that is true.

Ending Pending

If you want to make lakes, then a simple dome might be assistive without making a deep hole.  Cold water and perhaps an ice cover could be hosted inside of such low-pressure domes.

Ending Pending

If you added things like domes over the lake water and perhaps the import of energy, the hole could remain life supporting enough to help the rest of the planet become marginally life supporting.

However, if the plan is to convert CO2 into Plant tissues and Oxygen, it will still be a very cold planet.  That is unless there are lots of clathrates in the permafrost of the planet.  In that case then a thicker atmosphere might result over time.

Optimistically using also the CO2 in the ice caps, the pressure might increase 2.5 times what it is now.

So if the average is 5.5 millibar, then optimistically for polar cap materials then 16.5 millibars.  But if you pull all the Carbon out of the atmosphere into plant mass, you have to drop that down to 2/3rds of that value.

So then about 11.055 millibars of mostly Oxygen with a pinch of Nitrogen and Argon.

It will still be a very cold planet.

Greenhouse gasses and other tricks could improve the situation a bit, but it will still be a cold planet, which is why I favor lakes with ice cover under protective domes.

Ending Pending

I have been quite aware of these things for some time.

I try to some extent to drill down deeper even than the particular religion. 

I regard that the location of Iraq is the center of crappy male blood lines.  Selfish and only able to exercise speaking and killing.  Verbal and Violent.

By allowing crappy men to sleep with most or all of the women, the children will come to lack talents that would be needed to generate wealth to support a civilization.

So, I have two vectors for Greater Europe.  From Archaic and damaged male lines in the Middle East, and to talented peoples on the coast of the North Sea.

For the middle east it is as if a fine wine had been converted to a polluted vinegar.  Useless without oil or other captive wealth.  And such captive wealth had to be brought to the surface by talented westerners.

While I am not Catholic, I value what they did by limiting Polygamy in Europe.  This allowed more diversity of talents to persist in Europe.  So, we owe to bow in thanks for that.  (Lutherans and most Protestants followed their lead or continued it).

This is why I am interested in East Asians, as I feel that they have not been polluted by the bad male blood lines of the Middle East.

I am also interested in the Hindu people, who though the cast system have maintained genetic diversity.  I do not particularly support the cast system but I have never been appointed to be a god of any kind.  So, it is as it is and I am not the master of it that I could alter it.  But I could make use of it should they like to allow it.

Many of the remnants of the Native Americans can be useful to us.  Mexico is a blend of Iberian and Siberian, which although they claim to be Latin, they really are only partially so.  Similar is for much of the Spanish parts of South America, and also Chile and Argentina, where I believe native blood is about 25% of the genome.  So from my point of view they are potentially people we can work with successfully.

I have that one vector which is an arrow that points from the polluted Middle East to the West Europeans, but I also draw a line from East Asian to Kongo.   Which I call Red-Blue.  I draw a line from Rome to Moscow which I call Green-Orange.

I see that the British and the Latins insist on having war with Moscow and try to trick America into a war with the Orange Throne.  I am not at peace with that at all.

I fear that the British have been infiltrated by the Archaic from the Middle East far too much and are compromised.

In this game, you have to recognize that in the Middle East, things like Genital Mutilation were practiced not only by Muslims but also Christians and Jews. 

The Copts were said to be Christian but facilitated the infiltration of Islam into Christian areas.  They would be welcomed as claiming to be Christian but then held the door open to the Slimy Male Types.

Ending Pending

It is my opinion that in America, crappy males are outbreeding talented ones now, as the female choice for males is to breed an dirty animal for the stone age, and on the other hand the average male selection might breed females that are like children.

But we are breeding for the stone age at this time.  Technological Skills and industries skills will be replaced by ape-men with clubs.  (Managerial class).

Ending Pending

I would also speculate that robot and human habitats could be carved into extremely slow moving glacier ice.

For robots maybe -10 degC, and then inside of that perhaps room temperatures for humans.

Ending Pending

kdb512,  I just did a surface read of your materials which means that I have not yet done justice to it.  I will struggle with it later.

On the surface of my understanding of your post, quote:

  I am not sure that this is the same as the new Tesla Battery.

I do recall from some time ago, that someone pointed out that much of the electricity to charge cars, currently comes from power plants that combust fuels.  Elon Musk replied that those power plants could be tuned to be much more efficient at harnessing the combustion energy than an ICE engine can.  And presumably this was true for Lithium based batteries.  So, I do not understand why you indicate so much waste heat energy.  IF there was so much waste heat, would it not show up somewhere as melted machinery?

Here is a repeat of the video I included into my previous post #45 here:

Here as some of the specs that I thought were provided from that video:
Aluminum Ion Battery, indicated specs from Video:
-98% of the production work to make the batteries are from robots.
-As much as 5x the energy density.
-Less than $16,000 per car (I don't expect this includes a profit margin).
-550 mile range.
-A Solid State Battery.
-5 minutes to charge to 80% of capacity.

Here is a new video about the Aluminum Ion Battery Story: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ajaxhist=0
Quote:

From this video, I get these specs:
-Graphing/Aluminum is in production already.
-Quantum Heat Sink Protocol (No idea).
-Charge 10X faster than previous batteries.
-Quantum Burst???
-A new vehicle, Project "Helix", Model "XQ".
-Battery inside of frame, so then part of support structures as well as being batteries.
-Less than $18,000.00 cost for car, (Don't know about profit margin).
-Charges to 100% in 4 minutes.

So, the specs conflict just a little.  But then specs are often like that, if viewed as apples or oranges so to speak.

Centralizing power production is probably a bad idea, as it requires more conductors.

Even without solar power at a home, I can speculate on a copper saving method for the use of these batteries.
If you consider the power mains for a home to be like a pipeline conveying a fluid, then until lately, power conveyance has been on-demand Central Power Plant > Local Home.

Then Off Peak Power has been tried.  This can be useful to capture electricity at a lower price increasing effective use of a resource.

But even without a local power source, you might convert the main lines to "Trickle Lines", using a battery pack(s) to store the normal needs of a household.  So, some Copper could be recovered from old power lines, by converting them to "Trickle Lines".  "Trickle Lines would run power to a home battery pack at a constant rate, and the battery size might be so large that it normally is never fully charged up.

So, the gauge for the "Copper" or "Aluminum" lines could be dropped, recovering some of the metal.

And then people could put the solar panels you hate so much on their house or their yard, and have an emergency back-up power source.  This would be very important for emergency and national security purposes.  A population which can better withstand an attack on infrastructure from nature or human enemies would be a more robust and useful population for social recovery.

Cars with batteries also could be part of a robust energy system which could better withstand social disruptions.

I will endeavor to study your post more, but I have to prepare for visitors tomorrow, so may not have a large amount of time for it.

Ending Pending

Perhaps I am not understanding your point sir.

As I understand it those running the economy never want to see inflation less than 2%.  Otherwise, deflation is risked.

Also, yes, it allows companies to raise their prices in order to get profits.

It is how this world works.  If you can do better, and you have a army who will obey you, perhaps you can change that.  I would rather you do not.

The game is as it is.  Somehow, we generally have food, cloths, etc.  It can be so much worse, and is in many other places.

Ending Pending

"The Electric Viking" is clearly an optimist as per the claims in his materials.  But of course for Australia, these technologies are a fairly good fit.

I recall the cars I have driven in my lifetime.  American Cars from the Rust Belt, were somewhat basic, and maybe in some ways a bit drab for the "Drabs" like me.

I lived in a "Drab-Ocracy".  Sort of a Plantation/Latin overtaking North European and Native American world.  Some cultures elites make their "Glory" by "Drabifying", the lower ranks.

Then enter the East Asians, who overtook that, and the "Drabocracy", was knocked off of its props.

Normally a Drabocracy will be anti-technological, because it is hard to be rich relative to the "Drabs", unless you increase the "Drab" in the "Drab" people below your Hierarchy.

Thankfully, the world we live in allows for the accumulation of technological advancements.  The Drabifying processes are too risky to continue, as then the East Asians who, don't fit in an who you cannot really conquer well enough to drabify, can come in with new shiny products that the Hierarchy of the "Drab" cannot compete with.

So, in these conditions it will be very hard for the Hierarchy of the "Drab" to destroy and conceal new technology that increases productivity and happiness.

So, indeed technologies that are not yet as good as we want them to be, can keep increasing perfection over time.  Normally the Heirarchy of the "Drab" would make such efforts go bankrupt, and would classify and hide such things over time.

Their method of working is not to raise all boats with a rising tide.  Instead the bleed the commoners to weakness, the better to control them, and so to make the wealth of the elites seem more important.  It is not good for the souls of the sheep to be so materialistic.

Will Electric Cars keep getting better?  Well as long as the "Drabocracy" is held in check, I think so.  Now with an Aluminum Battery looking more likely than not, with improved performance, electric cars may become more competitive with gas cars.  Will gas cars disappear?  I don't expect so.  The "Greens" are just a form of "Drobocrate in my opinion.  Hair Shirts for all.

Mirrors?  Well we know of them.  If someone wants to make wealth from them they certainly can try to do so.

Ending Pending