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Well, we all seem to have some grasp of how the military build up game is played.
For extra points, can anyone tell me how it ends?
a stick- a sword- a bow- a gun- a cannon- a tank- a plane- a thermonuclear weapon- Mutally Assured Destruction... what comes after that? Besides Mad Max Beyond Thunder Dome?
Well, as the saying goes, World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. :;):
But maintaining military superiority is just one factor. Economic and political change follows its own path, and is highly unpredicable. Maintaining a military force that garentees victory removes removes it as a viable path for our enemies to take.
Ah but you dont understand how weapons are made either it comes down to one up manship as well. If you dont build that weapon then your enemies will as they want to be top dog.
It is all to give one country the edge over another. The USA has the edge at the moment but like everything there are enough countries snapping at its heels.
Our enemies want to be top dog anyways, and will build it if we don't because it will give them an advantage.
That is why we must build it, too keep those mutts at bay.
People don't seem to understand how weapons are developed.
If we build penatrator platforms, other countries will develop ASAT missiles.
If they do that, we'll build Point defense lasers.
If we do that, they'll build bigger and better methods to try to get through those...
And so on.
So to say that X weapon will make us less safe is utter bull plop. It will just ignite a new type of arms race. All of which have ultimately been benificial to society as a whole.
Aren't they shooting themselves in the foot with using pictures of a huuuuge moonbase?
Who's going to take that serious?
People who want to be inspired.
You could tape $10 BN worth of feasability studies to the bottom of it the CEV. That would take a while to ablate.
I'm not bitter.
Its going to happen.
I for one hope the US gets a head start on it.
The real danger in the CEV program right now is to expect too much from it.
The only thing we would should be conserned about right now is building a reusable craft capable of launching 6 people into X destination in LEO.
The VSE is suppose to involve a "system of systems". That means if you want to stay in LEO for an extended period of time, you need a Hab attachment up there. If you want to send it to Lunar orbit you need a a TLI and Hab attachemnt. If you want to land it on another body you need a lander attachment.
We don't want a Swiss army knife.
Did anyone see Alien Plant on the Discovery Channel?
It mostly concerned the discovery of life though.
Hey, as long as the local gun shop still takes cash.
The biggest speedbumps will be technology and human evolution.
Life support technologies will get so advanced that we can provide for all our needs in comfortable air conditioned, rad shielded comfort. Our Earthly desires will be meet in massive domed environments were everything earthly is exagerated to mythical degrees thanks to lower gravity. Combined with the amazing natural views, and the improved EVA suits that gradually provide a more natural experience, people will be happy with whats there, and will more than likely fight the "pollution" tooth and nail. After a generation or two, people won't know their environment any other way, and won't suffer anyone screwing with it. Besides, an atmoshpere only makes getting to and from space harder.
Which is not to say that terraformming won't happen. Venus is completely inaccessable as is. Mars has a big enough gravity well to serve as a second Earth. But given that moons surrounding gas giants are far more abundant, I think terraforming will not be all that common.
WHo needs NASA when you have the Russians?
Considering the Russians are more open to private/corporate action and have vast years of experience in space stations, The Banks of the world will probably bypass the control freaks in US government and go with the only real option.
Putin is more of a control freak than anyone in Washington. Granted he won't be there forever. But whatever issues that make it difficult to do it here will melt away if investors threaten to go to Russia.
Only when NASA does it first on a small scale to prove the technology in all phases of such an operation will anyone even think of doing it comercially.
And then they go to the aerospace companies and buy what NASA used in bulk at a considerable discount.
And then we'll be off to the races.
A big part of the appeal is simply taming an untamed land.
There isn't a whole lot of that left on earth.
Yeah, cops shouldn't chase criminals. We would all be safer.
:laugh:
When you put it that way it does sound absurd.
How about a magnetic tracking beacon fired at the car by either by helo or police car. That way we only need to get moderately close once, and can keep an eye on them without putting one in every car and thus pissing off everyone (plus anything electronic can be disabled).
The thing is they still run from choppers, so by the time we can get to the car when it does stop the perp could be long gone.
The radiation issue will sooner be solved medically than geologically.
Although I wonder if creating a thicker atmosphere will slow down or stop any bleeding of thermal energy rising off the core, heat that could build up, and perhapes spin things up a bit.
If landed horizontally and was quickly covered with regolith, they could work as a workshop.
But there are better ways to do it.
*cough*inflatables*cough*
Also you keep saying "We need..." We absolutely do not need 50,000 people in space. We don't need the drain on our pocket books and on our ongoing science projects.
Then how do we justify our science projects?
Is there a reason why these proposals are nit released to the public? There shouldn't be anything senstive in there.
Seems redundant to the CEV to me. But if it can provide a cheap alternetive to Soyuz by private industry, more power to them.
Congress will keep it's nose out of NASA's business because the President is the boss, not congress. If the President changes his mind tomorrow and cancels the space shuttle, ISS, and the CEV to go to mars then that's what is going to happen.
When have Congress ever kept its nose out of the president business?
You disregarded the parameters set in my post to achieve your goal. That's bad science man.
My post was this:
In the future I would like to see higher storage batteries powering our vehicles recharged by much more efficient solar panels mounted on the roof of those vehicles but I know that is far in the future.Higher means more.
Much more efficient means more as well.What else do you alter to change the outcome in your favor? Math? Research?
It takes me 15 minutes to get to work each day, and 15 minutes home so, including the above, 80% of my daily driving would use no fuel.
Good for you.
But alot of people go a lot more than that.
No, surely Boeing/et al. have already submitted it... please tell me that Lockheeds' crazy ship isn't the winner by default.
Don't worry. Northrop Grumman/Boeing submitted a proposal as well and it looks a lot better (it's a capsule). Lockheed's crazy design won't be selected anyway. Griffin will never allow that.
....Well?
*Waits for pics*
:;):
Also, even though some of you support the colonization of any damn thing (space, moon, mars, asteroids, mars moons...sheesh!) outside the earth's orbit you are definately the minority.
So, you want to launch the most expensive camping trip in the history of mankind?
Your going have a hard time getting a Earth like atmosphere with the volitiles (or lack there of) on the moon.
Your going to want to bring in astroids for the others.
On a side note, would it be possible to bring in as astroid slow enough to not make a big mess?
I saw a show on the discovery channel about how ships are brought right onto Indian beaches to be scrapped, and thought it would be a novel solution to the problem of low/no g astroid mining. Of course it would only be practical for small ones, probably less than a kilometer around, but its not like were going to run out of those anytime soon. Plus this way you get much more of the wanted resources in one place, instead of blasting it everywere.