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#51 Re: Human missions » Reuseable Mars Lander, surface to orbit and back » 2024-06-09 06:21:27

Elon Musk's SpaceX Starship survives re-entry into Earth's atmosphere after launch from Texas
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 … year-pause

Mars's Doomed Moon Phobos Might Not Be What We Thought
https://www.iflscience.com/marss-doomed … ught-74384

#53 Re: Human missions » Future of Space Shuttles - How could the Space Shuttles be used? » 2024-06-09 06:17:24

very old discussion an almost ancient topic

SpaceX Starship makes first splashdown, a major milestone for Elon Musk's megarocket
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/spacex-stars … 36134.html

more Shuttle like

The cargo Dream Chaser is designed to resupply the International Space Station with both pressurized and unpressurized cargo intended to launch vertically on the Vulcan Centaur rocket
https://www.sncorp.com/press-releases/s … ouncement/

#54 Re: Unmanned probes » Odysseus Lander on the Moon » 2024-06-08 08:04:30

the post above me reads

Mars_B4_Moon wrote:

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon Today 12:37


quote

The post originally created by Mars_B4_Moon has been moved to the Mars_B4_Moon topic.

This topic is intended for an audience to include high school or other students who may want to find out a bit about the lander.

This was the first landing attempt of a Moon lander by a United States entity in many decades

a post on spending, movement of money in 'art' and costs has been deleted or moved or  censored


Some other person has modified my writing and I did not write this above post

#55 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2024-06-08 06:52:16

instead of making a better Lunar Lander, a thread which we might not be allowed post in...there seems to shared bad management culture problems on a previous failed mission by the British / ESA called 'Beagle-II' artists and legal proceedings, theft and an out-of-court settlement
In regard to the artist representing humanity, someone wrote  "I don't think of it as art ... It is no more interesting than a stuffed pike over a pub door. Indeed there may well be more art in a stuffed pike than a dead sheep."
https://www.stuckism.com/Shark.html
'Stuckists A Dead Shark Isn't Art'
We are also allowed talk about a silly song the British tax payer paid a lot of money for and 'Damien Hirst' and other distractions which left a mission unfocused, the bad management which caused Beagle to fail.

at that time there was an inquiry a hearing an accountability and investigation but the Beagle mission is not NASA's Moon mission

Tens of Millions upon Millions of Dollars upon Millions of US $ Dollars seems to have been laundered to space
instead of spending that same money in creating a better robotic craft for the Moon

but the Moon topic we can not talk about?

#56 Re: Meta New Mars » Mars B4 Moon postings » 2024-06-08 06:45:34

Tahanson you are changing my posts and have quoted me incorrectly so if you do not quote my post correctly as you move and delete my original post you are in fact engaging in censorship now as SpaceNut did to my past posts which one time he once created a highly controversial post

You seem to have deleted my post linking to a quote of the ESA/British recommendations of the Commission when they lost Beagle-II a very similar event to the Intuitive Machines Odysseus lander failure

This was done as part of public inquiry, free speech and accountability, they published Recommendations how not to waste future tax money

To see money taken by corrupt artist Jeff Koons and then vanish to beyond the Moon or into a Blackhole I could see how this would embarrass people, Kamal Ghaffarian the Iranian-born American businessman, anger US tax payers, embarrassing for NASA etc
Kamal is out there in the public eye guy talking with economist mags, business weekly papers, Forbes telling everyone how he will make the USA 'interstellar' a space super-highway a Space-Station and traverse into our Galaxies and space cities?

'fool me once shame' on...

They at a company which will not be named are now saying they can do an 'MSR'

#57 Re: Unmanned probes » Odysseus Lander on the Moon » 2024-06-08 06:21:14

The post originally created by Mars_B4_Moon has been moved to the Mars_B4_Moon topic.

This topic is intended for an audience to include high school or other students who may want to find out a bit about the lander.

This was the first landing attempt of a Moon lander by a United States entity in many decades.

I would like to see reporting of details of the lander design, and how the landing attempt proceeded.

It is not necessary to include details about human personalities in this topic.

In all human endeavors there are goals set and then achieved to varying degrees.

I'd like this topic to contain information that a young reader might value as guidance on how to design and deliver a lunar lander, using a non-governmental organization.

(th)

#58 Re: Unmanned probes » Odysseus Lander on the Moon » 2024-06-08 02:33:58

The post originally offered in this post was moved to the Mars_B4_Moon topic.

It appears to be primarily about personalities involved in the American space movement.

I'd like this topic to be about the lander itself.

(th)

#60 Re: Not So Free Chat » The year is 2061 - where will we be ? » 2024-06-08 02:26:39

Chinese on Mars in 2050

China seeks its own Apollo moment – and more
https://spacenews.com/china-seeks-its-o … -and-more/

Scenarios are now being outlined, incorporating future-focused ideas for human spaceflight.

A paper on the ILRS published in April by the Chinese Society of Astronautics outlines phased plans for establishing a permanent presence on the moon.

The phases are as follows:

Until 2035: This initial phase focuses on mastering basic technologies and engineering solutions necessary for lunar habitation, with an emphasis on resource extraction.

2035 to 2045: During this period, additional substations will be established to build on earlier progress. These substations will provide supplies and living conditions for astronauts, deeply integrating robotic and crewed lunar exploration activities. This phase will also serve as prior experience for subsequent deep space exploration missions, such as those to Mars.

From 2045 onwards: The final phase will concentrate on large-scale resource utilization, including the construction of significant buildings such as lunar factories and laboratories. Tourism is a potential opportunity. Main tasks will include:

    Autonomous lunar-based production of hydrogen and oxygen liquid propellants.
    Production of 100% oxygen and water for a 10-person crewed lunar landing.

According to the paper, these stations will form the basis of China’s Earth-moon space economic sphere and position the country as a leader in human deep space exploration activities.

quote

Further out, Chinese space officials and publications have identified human missions to Mars as a long-term goal for around 2050, though there are no specifics.

TIANGONG EXPANSION

More immediately, China is looking to expand its presence and activities in low Earth orbit. The three-module Tiangong space station was completed in 2022, and China aims to keep it constantly occupied for at least a decade. In October, it was revealed that China plans to add a multifunctional module to the outpost around 2027, with six new docking ports to accommodate additional modules and visiting spacecraft.

“We will build a 180-ton, six-module assembly in the future,” Zhang Qiao of the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST) said in October at the 47th International Astronautical Congress in Baku, Azerbaijan. With each module weighing around 22 tons, an expanded Tiangong would be just over a third of the mass of the roughly 450-metric-ton International Space Station (ISS).

These plans indicate a commitment to human spaceflight in low Earth orbit and support recent claims by China’s first astronaut, Yang Liwei, now a high-level official at the China Manned Space Engineering Office (CMSEO), that Tiangong will soon begin selecting international astronauts to conduct science onboard. A low Earth orbit version of the Mengzhou spacecraft, launched on a single-stick Long March 10, would further enable more diverse crews to an expanded Tiangong, with a capacity of six to seven astronauts compared to the Shenzhou’s limit of three.

China is also looking at commercial and low-cost solutions for supplying Tiangong, echoing and learning from NASA’s commercial cargo initiative that provided a level of support for SpaceX.

The U.S. and Europe are planning solutions to the end of the International Space Station, with the former particularly keen not to see China become the only show in LEO. They are notably looking to commercial actors including Blue Origin, VAST, Voyager Space and others to develop modules and habitats capable of hosting astronauts, science and manufacturing.

But China, too, is looking at new solutions, including inflatable modules similar to those being developed by Sierra Space. An institute under CAST, China’s main spacecraft manufacturer and maker of the Tiangong modules, is exploring inflatable habitats for human spaceflight in LEO and how to get them to Tiangong for testing. Beyond this, their applicability for the ILRS lunar base is also being considered.
COOPERATION CONSTELLATIONS

Despite globally expanding plans for low Earth orbit, cooperation between China and the West will likely be limited, according to Scott Pace.

“It’s possible to imagine U.S.-China space cooperation that is transparent, reciprocal, and mutually beneficial, such as lunar sample exchanges, biomedical data exchanges, sharing of lunar and Martian space situational awareness data, and international coordination for the use of radio spectrum on and around the moon,” Pace said.

“However, the degree of political trust required for joint human spaceflight operations is not present. Even coordinated scientific missions would be very difficult, if not impossible, under current conditions,” he added.

For now, China and the U.S. appear set on the same destinations with very separate programs and, with few exceptions, different sets of partners. How China’s engagement, task sharing, and rule-setting play out remains to be seen.

“China has repeatedly stated that it is open to international cooperation. However, like the Belt and Road Initiative, space cooperation tends to be on terms solely determined by China,” says Pace. “The nature of these transactional relations results in less long-term influence than more genuine partnerships.”

While it’s been nearly 55 years since the United States won last century’s space race by being the first — and so far only nation — to land astronauts on the moon, the neck-and-neck race to be the first to do so in the 21st century has significant implications.

“The first strategic implication is whether China successfully lands humans on the moon before the United States,” says Julienne. “China’s plan to establish a lunar research station is a long-term goal, but walking on the moon before the Americans would send a strong signal that China has become a space power as capable as the U.S., if not more.”

#61 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Physics Topics » 2024-06-08 02:20:30

A Mission to Uranus Could Also be a Gravitational Wave Detector

https://www.universetoday.com/167302/a- … -detector/

Despite being extraordinarily difficult to detect for the first time, gravitational waves can be found using plenty of different techniques. The now-famous first detection at LIGO in 2015 was just one of the various ways scientists had been looking. A new paper from researchers from Europe and the US proposes how scientists might be able to detect some more by tracking the exact position of the upcoming Uranus Orbiter and Probe (UOP).

#62 Re: Not So Free Chat » In 365 days, Trump has made 2,140 false or misleading claims » 2024-06-08 01:40:39

Pinocchio. 3: Pinocchio and Geppetto are reunited
https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/school-radi … es/zbhkkmn

They all lie.

A kid might steal some candy chocolate cookie and lie not to get in trouble but what happens if that becomes an entire lifestyle, pseudologia fantastica the "fantastic pseudology"a chronic behavior characterized by the habitual or compulsive tendency to lie. They as politicians have been in the political business so long, hand caught in the cookie jar they will just 'Lie' involves a pervasive pattern of intentionally making false statements with the aim of deceiving others, sometimes without a clear or apparent reason, or even if the truth is beneficial to the liar. Sometimes political individuals who engage in pathological lying often claim to be unaware of the motivations behind their lies.


Lies from political mud slinging, the Steele dossier, also known as the Trump–Russia dossier, a controversial political opposition research report compiled by Christopher Steele that was published without permission as an unfinished 35-page compilation of "unverified, and potentially unverifiable" it was produced by ex-British Intelligence officer Christopher Steele, the dossier contains 'gossip' or a weird fantasy or a treasure trove of disturbing allegations, BuzzFeed News decided to post the full-length 'Pissgate' version while Russia's Putin argued the situation was a reflection of the degrading quality of the American political realm, which is fairly accurate, regardless of Putin being a dictator. Alleged other activities and gossip by media and bloggers include planning the hack of Democratic National Committee emails claims that Trump and Putin were best friends as kids playing football together in the park and other events like arranging coverups and cash payments
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/worl … -memo.html
The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have treated the dossier with caution, while Trump himself denounced the report as "fake news".
Trump Blasts CNN’s Jim Acosta (Again): ‘You’re Fake News’ (Video)
https://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-ji … ews-video/
“I like real news, not fake news,” the president tells CNN’s White House correspondent
"Crown Material" the phony Steele dossier, had the backing of NeoCon JohnMcCain giving it the appearance of bipartisan before he died 'I would do it again,' McCain a NeoCon Republican writes about release of Steele dossier , it was leaked to CNN and BuzzFeed who then jointly made it available to the public.  It is possible that Clintons were going to use Christopher Steele, against the Bush family or against Joe Biden and Hunter and Christopher Steele who was paid $168,000 by Hillary Clinton and the Democrats for the smears, the document was maybe modified to attack Trump once Jeb Bush, Biden, Sanders were beaten, it is rumored a lot of the Dossier rumors were collected from trolling 4chan posts. Jeffrey Minch said of Igor Danchenkor and the Brookings Institute,
"The entire Steele Dossier was sourced from a guy who puts ink on paper for money....He was not a highly placed source inside Russian intel....He was a hack at a bar with his friends laughing up his sleeve at Christopher Steele and selling him baloney like it was filet mignon....For money....Steele knew it....The FBI knew it....The DNC knew it....The Hillary Clinton campaign knew it....Only you didn’t know it”.
https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/ig … who-is-he/
A real Russian link?
Sergei Viktorovich Skripal a former Russian military intelligence officer who acted as a double agent for the United Kingdom's intelligence services during the 1990s and early 2000s
While it was initially reported that Skripal was a close confidant of Christopher Steele, the British ex-spy who compiled the controversial Steele dossier, the Telegraph later reported an accusation from anonymous sources that this trail of evidence linking Skripal to Steele was fabricated by Russian Intelligence.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190127214 … kripal-ex/
he was poisoned and the poisoning was investigated by the British intelligence service as an attempted murder.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180315140 … e-43415271

Our President, the Pathological Liar
https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffcro … r-n2639563

Partisan more divided each time, but each side and each stack of lies

now as it gets more politically-weaponized its expected a President when a microphone is put there he is Under Oath and is expected to be 'mega' honest like a George Washinton, a Jesus, Buddha, Moses character?

Can there be any punishment for POTUS lying?
https://politics.stackexchange.com/ques … otus-lying

The Honest Truth About Presidential Lying
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters … ng/676346/

A Right to Lie? Presidents, Other Liars, and the First Amendment
https://www.cato.org/events/right-lie-p … -amendment

18 times US presidents told lies, from secret affairs to health issues to reasons for going to war
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-pres … war-2023-8

'Can there be any punishment for POTUS lying?'
https://politics.stackexchange.com/ques … otus-lying

and the other guy the invader causing mass murder

A Pathological Liar as World Leader
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … rld-leader
Personal Perspective: Vladimir Putin's aversion to truth.

#63 Re: Unmanned probes » James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) - 6.5m mirror, L2 orbit » 2024-06-07 18:00:43

Webb Finds Plethora of Carbon Molecules Around Young Star (MIRI Spectrum)
https://jwstfeed.com/PostView/FeedPost? … 3773808661
The spectrum revealed by NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope’s MIRI (Mid-Infrared Instrument) shows the richest hydrocarbon chemistry seen to date in a protoplanetary disk, consisting of 13 carbon-bearing molecules. This includes the first extrasolar detection of ethane (C2H6). The team also successfully detected ethylene (C2H4), propyne (C3H4), and the methyl radical CH3, for the first time in a protoplanetary disk.
This graphic highlights the detections of ethane (C2H6), methane (CH4), propyne (C3H4), cyanoacetylene (HC3N), and the methyl radical CH3.

#65 Re: Life support systems » Bees » 2024-06-07 16:10:59

'Annual flowers are more popular with bees than scientists realized'
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/flowers … -1.7196927


the human mistake of creating a new Killer-Bee breed Africanized honey bees are typically much more defensive, react to disturbances faster, and chase people further  than other varieties of honey bees. They have killed some 1,000 humans, with victims receiving 10 times more stings than from European honey bees, they have also killed horses and they are aggressive and lazy comeapred to other bees and produce little honey or money for the farm? Warwick E. Kerr was the moron who started it all, a man who had interbred honey bees from Europe and southern Africa. Kerr in his idiotic behavior had good intentions and was attempting to breed a strain of bees that would produce more honey in tropical conditions, instead he got a hateful bee that made little honey and it escaped to kill people, the natural gene pools are now destroyed  the Killer-Bee Africanized honey bee swarms spread out and crossbred with local European honey bee colonies, they are more more likely to "abscond"—the entire colony leaves the hive and relocates—in response to stress.nobody knows what kind of bee they might find these days thanks to the breeding madness of Kerr. The venom of an Africanized honey bee is the same as that of a European honey bee, but since the former tends to sting in far greater numbers, deaths from them are naturally more numerous than from European honey bees. There is a widespread consensus that cattle suffer occasional Africanized honey bee attacks in Brazil, but there is little true documentation about this. https://web.archive.org/web/20150715153 … ther-bees/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3765377

https://web.archive.org/web/20160610012 … ll-horses/
,
https://web.archive.org/web/20161108015 … 00-2-5.htm



seen that they kill people and animals on Earth, if the wrong type of bee is taken off world they will probably also kill Astronauts


some good bees

vid

Setting up Leafcutter Bee Houses!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZO1mtDoies

Releasing the bees in the tomato greenhouse so they can help us pollinate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-T9GZdIrtc

Maybe Bombus lucorum, the white-tailed bumblebee, is a species of European Bumblebee?

they prefer to have their nests facing south for extra warmth.
http://www.bumblebee.org/terr.htm

there is also Bombus cryptarum is a species of Bumblebee native to the northern hemisphere, where it is "one of the most widespread bumblebees in the world."
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-curation/ … us/bo.html

#66 Re: Human missions » NASA could make 'Skylab II' first deep space 'home' » 2024-06-07 15:23:08

Gravitics to develop 'tactically responsive' orbital platforms for the Space Force
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/gravi … 39780.html

Haven-1 a planned space station in LEO that is currently in development by American aerospace company Vast.

Starlab Nanoracks is a planned LEO (low Earth orbit) commercial space station.

Large Integrated Flexible Environment (LIFE) is an inflatable space habitat design currently being developed by Sierra Space

Orbital Reef is another space station being designed by Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada Corporation's Sierra Space

Hindu Nationalist news has news items on the Indian Orbital Space Station, officially called, Bharatiya Antariksha Station

China doesn't say it will put a station at the Moon but there is a new Chinese plan for MSR and China already having a Station

Russia says it will quit the ISS and make its own station

Private Sector Developments

Rocket Lab gearing up to refly Electron booster
https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-recove … e-reflight

#67 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Power Limits of Advanced Propulsion » 2024-06-07 15:06:38

an old topic maybe worth bumping

Humans to Mars: What’s the holdup? — part III
https://interestingengineering.com/inno … the-holdup

What about Mars?

Another consequence of the Artemis Program’s expedited timetable and ensuing delays is that it forced NASA planners to deprioritize other elements of the Moon-to-Mars mission architecture.

In short, Phase 3 of NASA’s Moon-to-Mars mission architecture has not seen any new developments since 2018/2019. This includes design and feasibility studies for the Deep Space Transport (DST) and the Mars Base Camp. As a result, the many technical challenges these elements entail still need to be resolved.

According to a concept study released by Humphrey “Hoppy” Price (the chief engineer of NASA’s Mars Exploration Program) and colleagues from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) last year, these technologies include “long-duration life support systems, 500-kWe-class solar electric propulsion (SEP), zero boiloff (ZBO) cryogenic propellants, and Mars surface liquid oxygen (LOX) production.”

As a result, Price and his colleagues recommended a flyby mission for 2033 that would take advantage of a favorable alignment between Venus, Earth, and Mars, which would last 570 days and could be accomplished using existing technology.

These recommendations echoed Associate Administrator Jim Reuter’s statement at the 2023 Humans to Mars Summit: “And I’d say that [2040] is an audacious goal for us to meet,” he said. “It may sound like a lot, but it is a very short time to develop the technologies we need to develop.”

NASA has also considered the possibility of more advanced propulsion, which means sending spacecraft to Mars faster. So far, NASA’s long-term plans involve equipping a DST with SEP to provide high specific impulse and continuous thrust but little acceleration.

In 2016, NASA also reignited its nuclear propulsion program to develop nuclear-thermal and nuclear-electric propulsion systems (NTP/NEP) based on designs dating back to the early space race and the Apollo era.

In January 2023, NASA and DARPA announced an interagency agreement to develop a nuclear thermal propulsion system. This system, known as the Demonstration Rocket for Agile Cislunar Operations (DRACO), is expected to be tested in orbit by early 2027. In July of 2023, DARPA announced that it had finalized an agreement with Lockheed Martin to design and build a system prototype.

However, NASA scientists and industry experts strongly disagree on whether this system will be ready for a mission in 2033, with many anticipating that 2037 or 2040 would be a more realistic target.

After 20 years of planning, the question of when a mission to Mars will take place is now open. In addition, it needs to be made clear who will be the first to put boots on the surface of the Red Planet.

Luckily, everyone faces the same challenges, and no one has an edge in getting there faster and cheaper (not yet, anyway). When boots eventually touch the ground on Mars, it is difficult to say which flag they’ll be flying.

Nuclear Cryogenic Propulsion Stage for Mars Exploration

pdf

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/201 … 014604.pdf

#68 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Should God be Exported to Mars? » 2024-06-07 11:51:26

Another recognized religious leader of a country's religion community stumbles, a principal leader almost the ceremonial head trips over himself, one of the religion faces of a worldwide temple




In Modi's stronghold, voters chose jobs over new Hindu temple
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/mod … 024-06-06/


Europe’s Orthodox world is in moral turmoil
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe- … mir-putin/

A historical change a long time ago with Kyiv or as Kiev was losing its political, cultural, and economical significance due to the Mongol invasion, Metropolitan Maximus moved to Vladimir in 1299; his successor, Metropolitan Peter moved the residence to Moscow in 1325. A revolution, the Bolshevik-controlled government of Soviet Russia enacted the Decree on separation of church from state and school from church that proclaimed separation of church and state in Russia, freedom to "profess any religion or profess none". Since Putin there was been a rebirth of the religion brand. The Russian Church also sought to fill the ideological vacuum left by the collapse of Communism, Patriarch Alexy II or Alexius was the 15th Patriarch of Moscow and all Rus', the primate of the Russian Orthodox Church. Elected Patriarch of Moscow in 1990, eighteen months before the dissolution of the Soviet Union, he became the first Russian Patriarch of the post-Soviet period. There have been reports, beginning in the 1990s, that Patriarch Alexy II had been a KGB agent. The BBC published an anonymous obituary entitled "Double life of Russia's patriarch": "Patriarch Alexy II had an extraordinary career, in which he switched from suppressing the Russian Orthodox Church to being its champion. A favourite of the KGB, he was promoted rapidly through the Church hierarchy, doing the Kremlin's bidding at a time when dissident priests were thrown into jail. As the Church's effective foreign minister, he helped cover up the repression of Russian Christians, defending the Soviet system to the outside world. He wore a bunch of Royal Babylon Rome looking or Masonic symbols Awards, the National Order of the Cedar Lebanon, Order of Friendship of Peoples Belarus, the Imperial Order of Saint Prince Vladimir, the Order of "Glory" Azerbaijan and other strange looking 'outstanding contribution' medals.

'Orthodox Nun Says Moscow Patriarch is a Heretic'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV4Y42w1SL8

Kirill was sanctioned in 2022 by Canada
https://cepa.org/article/an-unorthodox- … -and-hell/

Forbes reported on 20 February 2009 that, "Kirill, who was the Metropolitan of Smolensk, succeeds Alexei II who died in December after 18 years as head of the Russian Church. According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies."
https://www.forbes.com/2009/02/20/putin … hurch.html

Kirill stated his goal of establishing a global Eastern Orthodox movement in Greece, Cyprus, Ukraine, Belarus, various Balkan states, Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova
http://content.time.com/time/world/arti … 44,00.html


tahanson43206 wrote:

I'm thinking of the Cult of Personality we see in Russia today, in China today, certainly in North Korea, and possibly other nations.

We have even seen "Cult of Personality" situations in the US ... I'm thinking here of religious cults, of which we've had a number.

Do you think there might be a "built in" tendency for humans to manufacture "gods" if they are not provided ones by their parents?

2051 prediction


Timeline of AI forecasts
https://theaidigest.org/timeline

Religion with AI as a deity or priest has 1 million follower

#69 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Rule of Law vs Rule by Force » 2024-06-07 10:35:56

It could be argued some countries seem to have turned inward the Canadians, the Germans, the French, the also opened their borders which seems crazy. In other centuries were defined by Nation States and Kingdoms and Country, over time Mega Corporations seem to have similar influence of Countries.. Are Empires coming to an end and would you even class the USA-Britain as an Empire? The "Clash of Civilizations" is a thesis that people's cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post–Cold War world. The USSR was described by some media as an Empire was supposed to have collapsed but now Russia is back and invading and attacking Ukrrine.

Samuel P. Huntington defined something outside of Rome, Pax Britannica, Pax Americana, the FBI, the Hague, British movies, Italian food, Hollywood, German music, Swedish car makers, Canadian wood pulp and chemicals, the Australian, the Czech culture was all defined as 'the West'

Japan was left out there odd and alone defined as simply Japanese

Arabia and mohammedanism was classed as a large entity

Sub Sahara Africa Bantu was a grouping

India/Hindu was classed as its own thing

Haiti was unclear and so French Guiana, British Guyana and Surinam unofficially known as Dutch Guiana but 'Latin America' was a cultural grouping

Bhutan, Thailand, Laos was classed as a Buddhist bloc

Russian influence was noted into Kazakhstan, Belarus, the country of Poland not included as it was 'Western' but Russians went into the Balkans on his map.

From China to Vietnam was defined as 'Sino' although I think the Vietnamese would perhaps be angry and argue against it, one fo the first to defeat Genghis Khan and after a War with the French and then the USA, there was a Chinese-Vietnam War with China sent home bloody.

from another discussion on colony, research at the South Pole and crime

Haiti does not have many official police per 100,000 of population and the Country is an ongoing disaster of Social Collapse and Anarchy


Japan a high trust social conformist country with low crime has 255 Police per 100,000 of the Japanese population

the United States has a similar number 278 but higher crime

Jamaica has 316     Police per 100,000 but is far more violent and dangerous than the USA again

Somalia only has 43 Police per 100,000 but is also far more violent and dangerous than the USA again

'Palestine' has a high number of 'Police' but its a disaster, historically they are in conflict with Jewish Israeli Police or there are Sharia Law islamic Militia who link to Terrorists.


Mars and the offworlds might have people who are scientifically busy and little crime as the South Pole has little crime, there might be doctors human or an AI Robot that learns to read signs of problems on the rise before they become serious problems.

Biden’s ‘border order’ is the new version of Trump’s wall, but will it work?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bi … 58110.html

Popular European city's major migrant crackdown after '15 arrests every day'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19078 … sts-police

#70 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Tired Light and other Hypothetical controversial Cosmology topics » 2024-06-07 07:29:09

somewhat SETI related


An emission-state-switching radio transient with a 54-minute period
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-024-02277-w
Observationally, ASKAP J1935+2148 appears to show three emission states:

    (1)

    The strong pulse mode consisting of 15 bright, tens-of-seconds-wide and highly linearly polarized pulses as seen with ASKAP
    (2)

    The weak pulse mode characterized by two faint, hundreds-of-milliseconds-wide and highly circularly polarized pulses as seen with MeerKAT
    (3)

    The completely nulling or quiescent mode as seen with both telescopes

It has been proposed that bright coherent radio bursts can be produced by highly magnetized neutron stars that have attained long rotation periods (few tens to a few thousands of seconds), called ultralong period magnetars


Radio Signal From Space Repeats Every Hour, Defying Explanation
https://newatlas.com/space/radio-signal … ite-dwarf/
The universe is awash with strange radio signals, but astronomers have now detected a really bizarre one that repeats every hour, cycling through three different states. While they have some ideas about its origin it can't be explained by our current understanding of physics. The signal first appeared in data gathered by the ASKAP radio telescope in Australia, which watches a big swath of sky at once for transient pulses. Officially designated ASKAP J1935+2148, the signal seems to repeat every 53.8 minutes. Whatever it is, the signal cycles through three different states. Sometimes it shoots out bright flashes that last between 10 and 50 seconds and have a linear polarization, meaning the radio waves all "point" in the same direction. Other times, its pulses are much weaker with a circular polarization, lasting just 370 milliseconds. And sometimes, the object misses its cue and stays silent.

So what could be behind such a weird radio signal? Let's get it out of the way up front: it's not aliens (probably). The most likely explanation, according to the scientists who discovered it, is that it's coming from a neutron star or a white dwarf. But it's not a neat solution, since the signal's weird properties don't fit with our understanding of the physics of those two kinds of objects. Neutron stars and white dwarfs are fairly similar, but with some key differences. They're both born from the deaths of bigger stars, with the original mass dictating whether you end up with a neutron star or a white dwarf. Neutron stars are known to blast radio waves out regularly, so they're a prime suspect here. It's possible that signals this varied could be produced by interactions between their strong magnetic fields and complex plasma flows. But there's a major problem: they usually spin at speeds of seconds or fractions of a second per revolution. It should be physically impossible for one to spin as slow as once every 54 minutes. White dwarfs, on the other hand, would have no problem spinning that slowly, but as the team says, "we don't know of any way one could produce the radio signals we are seeing here."

#71 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Thermal heat storage » 2024-06-07 07:25:00

Japan, some better news than your recent Toyota scandals


Heat-switch device boosts lunar rover longevity in harsh moon climate
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-device-bo … evity.html

Astronauts driving a vehicle around the landscape of the moon must not only face dangers related to zero gravity and falling into craters, but also the problem of extreme fluctuations in temperature. The lunar environment oscillates between blistering highs of 127°C (260°F) and frigid lows of -173°C (-280°F).

Future missions to explore the moon will need reliable machines that can function under these harsh conditions. This led a team from Nagoya University in Japan to invent a heat-switch device that promises to extend the operational lifespan of lunar-roving vehicles. Their study, conducted in collaboration with the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, was published in the journal Applied Thermal Engineering.

"Heat-switch technology that can switch between daytime heat dissipation and nighttime insulation is essential for long-term lunar exploration," said lead researcher Masahito Nishikawara. "During the day, the lunar rover is active, and the electronic equipment generates heat. Since there is no air in space, the heat generated by the electronics must be actively cooled and dissipated. On the other hand, during extremely cold nights, electronics must be insulated from the outside environment so that they don't get too cold."

Current devices tend to rely on heaters or passive valves attached to loop heat pipes for nighttime insulation. However, heaters are costly, and passive valves can increase the velocity of fluid flow, leading to a drop in pressure that can affect the efficiency of heat transfer.

The technology developed by Nishikawara's team offers a middle ground. With a lower pressure drop than passive valves and lower power consumption than heaters, it retains heat at night without compromising daytime cooling performance.

#73 Re: Not So Free Chat » U.S. Should End the Ban on NASA Working With China's Space Scientists » 2024-06-07 07:14:13

First detection of negative ions on the moon
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-negative-ions-moon.html
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"This was ESA's first activity on the surface of the moon, a world-first scientifically, and a first lunar cooperation with China. We have collected an amount and quality of data far beyond our expectations," says Neil Melville, ESA's technical officer for the experiment built by the Swedish Institute of Space Physics (IRF).


The first ESA instrument to land on the moon has detected the presence of negative ions on the lunar surface produced through interactions with the solar wind.
The European team working with the Negative Ions at the Lunar Surface (NILS) instrument confirmed the success of this scientific mission that flew to the far side of the moon aboard the Chang'e-6 spacecraft.

The discovery of a new component of plasma at the surface of the moon opens a new window for space physics and for human and robotic missions in an era of renewed lunar exploration.

Negative ions—the missing piece

The solar wind is a constant flow of radiation and particles from the sun. Earth's magnetic field acts as a shield. In contrast, the moon has no magnetic field and a very tenuous atmosphere, called the exosphere. When the solar wind hits the moon, the surface reacts, kicking up secondary particles.

These particles may be positively or negatively charged or have no charge at all. While the positively charged particles have been measured from orbit before, measuring negative particles was a challenge.

Negative ions are short-lived and cannot make it to orbit. This is why the European scientists needed to operate their instrument close to the lunar surface—an unprecedented mission for a particle detector.

#74 Re: Life support systems » Spacesuits - Its about time we came back to them » 2024-06-07 05:31:10

A social media channel

NASA astronauts revealed how SpaceX space suit is better than Boeing Starliner's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AUkmOwFhj0


Flag material of Basalt Fibres

National Flag Unfurled on Moon Made of Basalt Fibers
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Nati … s_999.html

Chinese scientists developed a special national flag made of basalt fibers, which was unfurled this week by the Chang'e 6 lunar probe.

The flag, designed to endure temperature fluctuations, high vacuum conditions, and strong ultraviolet radiation, became the first flag to fly on the far side of the moon.

#75 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Space-Tugs » 2024-06-07 05:21:10

Solar Pannels, 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) and Power 60 kW and a Hall-effect thruster while Gateway was split off from Artemis as a separate program to allow a Moon landing by 2024?

India had some Solar powered satellite and ISRO also used Hall effect ion propulsion thrusters, the Soviets used them on a weather satellite, Space-X uses Hall-effect thrusters Starlink initially used krypton gas, but swapped to argon.

Lunar Gateway’s Revolutionary Powerhouse: Unveiling High-Tech Power and Propulsion Element
https://scitechdaily.com/lunar-gateways … n-element/
NASA’s upcoming Gateway space station, set to orbit the Moon, will rely heavily on its Power and Propulsion Element (PPE) for energy and maintaining its orbit.

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