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#51 Re: Terraformation » Save the Martians! - Why Mar Soc Members are Morally Corrupt » 2003-01-04 16:02:15

Sarcasm aside  wink (and that was only directed at the very first post anyway) I'll say again, just dome areas, don't terraform, keep primal Mars as much as possible, blah blah blah Red viewpoint blah.  big_smile

#52 Re: Terraformation » Save the Martians! - Why Mar Soc Members are Morally Corrupt » 2003-01-04 15:58:10

'Aboard the Starship Enterprise....'


Okay, I'm a Trek fan. But I read this far, and.... stopped. One thought had I; 'Get back to reality.'

#53 Re: Terraformation » When should we terraform » 2003-01-04 15:52:14

Yeah, probably. I still say we should just live in domed areas, though. Leave the planet as primal as possible. Keep a red sky instead of a hideously bright white one for most of the years of the terraforming. I somehow doubt that'll be all that pleasant to look at.

#54 Re: Not So Free Chat » Music - What type of Music are you all into? » 2003-01-04 15:45:40

I'm mostly just into blues, but jazz, rock (NOT modern), punk (NOT modern), classical, heavy metal (NOT modern), and reggae. Yup, thats right. Not modern reggae either.

Mostly I just detest modern music. But there are some great bands out there. Just wish I could get to hear them.   ???


Yeah, I said 'here', before. Blame my ex-fiance. She kept beeping at me in mirc while I was typing.  tongue

#55 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2003-01-04 15:39:48

It might just be me, but I think there is something a little wrong when you factor energy producing efficiency into safety considerations.

#56 Re: Not So Free Chat » Things about Bin Ladden - :P » 2002-12-27 18:41:40

I'm off to bed in a mo, so just a short post, I'll waffle more tomorrow.

Terrorists don't want us to be desensitized, because that means we aren't terrified. And so, saying that the attacks in Israel have desensitized people to further attacks just proves my point.

#57 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Sociocracy and Martian Settlement - Scientific Government On Mars? » 2002-12-27 18:37:58

Naturally, not all of it would be workable. But the ideals behind it are correct, at least.

#58 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Pathways to Enlightened Colonization - How not to be a space imperialist » 2002-12-27 18:32:12

Thats probably due to the fact that socialism isn't exactly an economic system. And any unplanned economic system doesn't work properly. The world markets are proof of that.

And where exactly does capitalism work? Nowhere.

Socialism is widespread, anyway. Europe is socialist (in name, if not in nature).

Communism, after all, is not the only form of socialism. And communism didn't work because the rest of the world was capitalist; not entirely because of corruption.

And any capitalist state is going to be more corrupt than any socialist state, too - just take the US.  wink

#59 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2002-12-27 18:21:43

Well, there probably is, but a way hasn't been found yet to my knowledge. Its rather like the lightbulb - our use of energy is unfortunatley horrendously inefficient on this planet.

#60 Re: Not So Free Chat » Things about Bin Ladden - :P » 2002-12-27 18:05:26

Since when did the word 'democratic' actually mean anything?

And anybody can see that if terrorism is common, then people aren't as frightened by it. Take Britain. The IRA and other groups have blown people up, shot people, blown up some more people and shot some more people, but to what avail? None. Nobody really cares; "Oh those poor people," is about the sum of the reaction.

No, for terrorism to work, it has to be rare, but potent strikes. Anything that happens often is less frighteneing than something that doesn't happen often. And thats a fact.

And as for nobody in America being frightened of further attacks; goodness me, don't you talk to your countrymen (and women)?

#61 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Pathways to Enlightened Colonization - How not to be a space imperialist » 2002-12-27 17:57:59

socialism ends up hurting people more in the end than capitalism, imho.

What? Since when? Capitalism is starving millions worldwide. Socialism is not.

#62 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2002-12-27 17:46:13

Not really, because the heat still needs to be gotten rid of - after all, energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred.

And surrounding a nuclear reactor (argh, edited here) entirely with water would surely cause safety problems, wouldn't it?

#63 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - The best way for space travel » 2002-12-27 17:26:25

Nuclear power is, in a (very loose) way, hydroelectric power. So is coal power. After all, the thermal energy from the reactor is used to heat water which becomes steam, which then turns turbines.... and so on.

#64 Re: Not So Free Chat » Things about Bin Ladden - :P » 2002-12-26 18:24:46

I don't think thats so. Sure, the quiet majority are ignoring the warnings, but its the vocal minority that counts.

#65 Re: Not So Free Chat » Leaglize drugs - say what u want » 2002-12-26 18:10:58

Its a good thing I'm not European, or I'd take offense.

And Switzerland better than the US... hmmm... lower unemployment... a majority vote by the population can pass any law they want... they have a president, but that president doesn't have a massive amount of power; instead, that power is shared out amongst an executive council, and the president is just a ceremonial figurehead. They all own guns, but not many people get shot. And they haven't bombed eight countries in nine years. So... Switzerland better than the US... what a strange idea. I must be going mad or something.

And you don't play an important role in politics. The system is just set up so it appears that you do.

#66 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Gravito-magnetic effect - "Breakthrough propulsion" » 2002-12-26 17:56:18

I'd just like to point out that I predicted yttrium would be used in a gravity-resisting machine back in '94, but that site is now sadly defunct. Ah well. There goes my claim to fame, if things turn out well for anti-grav/gravity-resistant technology.

#67 Re: Planetary transportation » Revolutionary way to explore other worlds - A wind riding rover » 2002-12-26 16:30:12

I have to point out that the 'dust' on Mars is in all likelihood far different to the dust on Earth. Firstly, its smaller. More like fines than dust. ("Its /fines/, not dust, how can you call it dust? Thats like calling a pebble a boulder!") Bet you all know where that quote is from. wink

Now that means that less energy is, obviously, required to lift the fines into the 'air'. So, a dust storm on Mars has significantly less energy than a dust storm on Earth. Thats not only to do with the thinner atmosphere, though; Mars is further from the Sun, and thus recieves less energy. And the energy for the winds have to come from somewhere.

If I recall correctly, the average surface air pressure on Mars is something like five to seven millibars. On Earth, the average air pressure is between 800 and 1100 millibars.

However, gravity is only 39% as 'strong' on Mars, and so things even up a little. But still, Martian winds have less energy behind them, and that poses a large problem for any device dependant on the winds. Thats exactly why you couldn't fly an Earth aeroplane on Mars; aerodynamics work a little differently there because of a number of variables. Which is why dirigibles are probably the best and easiest method of air transport that Mars will see... aside from electronic specially-designed planes, naturally.

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#68 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Ozone hole and Global Warming » 2002-12-26 16:12:56

The worst effect of all of a dramatic rise in sea levels - such as 7 meters over the next fifty to a hundred years, which is the figure which seems popular at the moment - would be the loss of Earth's beaches. That means the complete destruction of the tourist industry; which happens to support the aerospace industry. That means the loss of a great many things; probably including the worlds space programs.

#69 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » soil as a building material on Mars? - Zubrin's brick building ideas » 2002-12-26 16:02:37

I think that whenever possible (and not for reasons of cheapness, either) any prospective colony should use Martian materials as often as possible. It would be a good symbol, if nothing else, to use the Martian regolith for bricks.

At least the bricks could be used to clad the buildings, and increase the radiation shielding.

NOTE: The Red in me actually hates this idea. But, *sigh*, the Red viewpoint will never win out, and so I might as well capitulate to a certain degree. (At least on this.)  ???

#70 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Universal Life - Is all - complex life in the universe similar? » 2002-12-26 15:43:08

I don't know. Becoming energy beings through choice would be something of a risk, wouldn't it? There would be no real way of knowing whether there would be success at the 'other side' or not, as far as I can see.

After all; how would a being of matter converse with a being of energy? So there'd be no way to find out.

Would be an awfully risky procedure for a species as a whole to take, or so it seems to me.

#71 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Universal Life - Is all - complex life in the universe similar? » 2002-12-26 14:32:38

Hmm.

Could energy itself be a form of life, do you think?

Does an atom have a small amount of consciousness, maybe? Is everything conscious, to a degree? Thats the sort of questions that I had in mind.  smile

#72 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » Is there any point in wondering? - Isn't the question answered, after all? » 2002-12-26 13:53:16

Ah, but illusion is the only thing that truly exists for humanity, no? So therefore, from your perspective, if free will is an illusion, then it still exists nonetheless. If I don't know that I don't have it, then does it matter if I do?  wink

But thirty pounds might not have been the weight. Realistically speaking, it may well have been an illusion of weight created by the movement of a non-physical object. At any rate, something was going on. And if something was going on, then something happened. This is logic that cannot be argued with, don't you think?

And I know I have a spirit, because I can feel it. So there.

#73 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Pathways to Enlightened Colonization - How not to be a space imperialist » 2002-12-26 13:33:44

Shockingly, I agree with all these points except 1), and 2) - and naturally the whole 'how not to be a space imperialist' nonsense. The USA is imperialistic enough, without people having to worry about 'space imperialists', as well. (NOTE: I'm semi-kidding, here. Sorry for any offense caused, but, well, honesty is my policy.). Although, 2) somewhat confused me, since it didn't make a whole lot of sense. But still. Gasp.

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#74 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Sociocracy and Martian Settlement - Scientific Government On Mars? » 2002-12-26 13:28:05

Well... I don't think so.

Any government must be based on socially determined principles, not scientific ones. Science just doesn't fit with politics; just say the word in a room full of scientists of many different disciplines, and measure the majority-reaction. That's actually a contradiction - just think of 'lab politics', and other phrases - but I digress.

The best form of government is the multi-layered one, with a mix of elected and non-elected (but not static) members; probably the best example of that was in the utterly brilliant Blue Mars.

I say we take the constitution from that book, use it, and be done with it. (Well, actually, from the section which was devoted to it in The Martians, by the same authour - who I surely don't have to name wink ).

#75 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Nanotech is coming » 2002-12-26 13:15:15

I don't see much chance of the intentional usage of nanotech for violence on a large scale - at least not very many times. Maybe once or twice. But rather, I see a situation rather like that of the invention of nuclear weapons. Utter standoff. We can kill you, you can kill us - hey, you know what? We could do that before. So, nothing changes.

So I say:

Onward!

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