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#251 Re: Space Policy » Outsourcing US exploration of the Moon/Mars to foreigners. » 2008-04-04 19:37:34

O Christ NO!! The space program should be used to create jobs and industry in the US. It using US tax payer's money.

What is the point of so called "US" exploration of space if you're trying to rip off your fellow country men just to save a bit of money.

If everything is outsourced, the US will eventually be fucked. It'll will have little or nothing to trade and will get out competed by India, China etc etc

I agree with greater international cooperation in space programs, that more resource can be brought to the table by all the world's nations.

I'd also much prefer if money that is wasted on stealth bombers and millitary occupations was spent on space.

#252 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Traveling to Mars in one week! » 2008-04-04 16:20:09

If these guys can do what they say they can do, this would be really awesome news for Mars exploration and humanity in general.

I'm still holding out for either CERN or EMC2 to crack fusion power.

#253 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » War » 2008-04-04 15:57:49

I think Ceres is of more use a source of raw materials for a martian colony rather than as a target for growing crops. I hear that it probably contains a lot of water and organic material. Robots might be able of take care of this, either automated or remote controlled.

Perhaps it could be even hollowed out and turned into orbital ring habitat ( thats if ceres could be manouvered close to the sun, which is difficult)

#254 Re: Not So Free Chat » Has Multiculturalism Failed ? » 2008-04-04 15:50:07

can we rename the thread middle class white male paranoia?

No, but we can rename it Humanities Suicidal Death Spiral if you would prefer.

And you wonder why I mention paranoiah..

#255 Re: Life support systems » Power generation on Mars » 2008-04-04 10:08:23

There is no actual need for a nuclear reactor on the first mission to Mars. They don't need that much power. PV is also a lot simpler to set up. It won't need half as much maintenance. Nuclear reactors will require lots of maintenance and engineering staff. A Nuclear accident could leave the astronauts without power, or even worse kill them.

The small feeble solar panels of the two mars rovers has pretty much vindicated the use of that technology on the planet already. By the time Mars mission is possible, Solar panels will be a lot more efficient!

A few on y'all on this forum are highly irrational, and probably get boners from the idea of nuclear power.

#256 Re: Space Policy » Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first » 2008-04-04 09:52:25

If China get there first, fair fucks too them!

They make just about everything you have, so why shouldn't they have a place in Martian history.

I don't really care who get there first, once somebody gets there. Everybody will get a bit of the Martian pie eventually.

#257 Re: Not So Free Chat » Has Multiculturalism Failed ? » 2008-04-04 09:36:12

can we rename the thread middle class white male paranoia?

#258 Re: Not So Free Chat » Katrina and New Orleans » 2008-04-04 06:33:48

Makes me doubtful about Terraforming planets if humans can't manage a simple flood back home...

Maybe there won't be as many poor people on Mars however and the government will even pretend to give a shit in the event of disaster.

#259 Re: Terraformation » Hints for atmospheric retention... » 2008-04-04 06:28:29

hmmm

I've heard that the Earth's magnetic field is actually rather weak..

It can take that much to generate an artificial one, strong enough to protect the colonists/atmosphere on Mars - can it?

I don't have a lot of technical info about this - can anybody inform me?

#260 Re: Human missions » Would you like to live on Mars? - Tell me what you think? » 2008-04-04 06:07:54

Humans don't actually need a global ocean or atmosphere to survive on this planet...

Ah, but we want one!!


I want global peace and justice, doesn't mean its going to happen.

A degree of logic needs to be apllied to plans to colonize Mars. We should approach it in the most pragmatic way possible, not just try to impose Earth like conditions on the planet.

#261 Re: Human missions » Would you like to live on Mars? - Tell me what you think? » 2008-04-03 21:23:58

I'd like to visit, just not live there.

No more than I'd like to live in the attacama or Antartica..

Mars is a very horrible frozen desert right now. Some amount of technology will be required before people can stay on its surface, even in an enclosed space...

I think that terraforming this planet will not be possible for 100s and 1000's of years (If ever...), so we're better of developing technology that allows us to take advantage of the local resources in the most efficient and minimalistic way possible. Humans don't actually need a global ocean or atmosphere to survive on this planet, just enough to subsist.

#262 Re: Civilization and Culture » Art Idea » 2008-04-03 21:10:02

Damn  lol

Given The Lower Gravity on Mars, I think it would be quite awesome to build a gigantic Pyramid on the planet!

There are conspiracy theories about Pyramids on the planet, but I think we could go ahead and put our own one there, made from blocks of stone.

#263 Re: Water on Mars » Stupid Question... » 2008-04-03 21:04:03

How deep would you have to go on Mars to get Earth like Atmospheric Pressure?

#265 Re: Planetary transportation » Drilling on Mars » 2008-03-20 01:50:29

Landing a heavier Dozer on the surface becomes problematic for the system to get it there in one piece without it being damaged from a crash landing.

Of course the solution is to send it down in smaller chucks to be assembled on the surface. Other options for the light weight vehicle construction is to use the Mars regolith as the counter balance to this issue.

Thats exactly what I was thinking smile

#266 Re: Terraformation » New ideas for terraforming mars » 2008-03-18 09:22:30

It appears that Mercury also has plate technonics, at least judging from the latest Messenger pictures.

Really?

#267 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » How do you build a physical economy? » 2008-03-18 09:17:30

To build a physical economy will require INVESTMENT, INVESTMENT, INVESTMENT etc etc

The kickbacks for this will never be immediate. It will a program a government does to protect its future.

#268 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » War » 2008-03-18 09:13:17

The main value of Mars lies in its proximity to the asteroid belt.


I doubt that. It would be easier just to go to the asteroid belt and avoid martian gravity well

#269 Re: Planetary transportation » Drilling on Mars » 2008-03-18 08:11:04

I honestly dont think that drilling as a process will be too much of a problem on Mars. To counteract the reduced gravity it just means more tie downs for the initial drilling process. Actually with the meteoric bombardment Mars has suffered it may be possible to use a corkscrew device to gain leverage.

The problem on Mars is not drilling but regolith moving. Most dozers and shovel blades rely on gravity and there mass to give them the bite to get into the ground they are moving. On Mars not only will gravity be less so reducing effectiveness but we will not be able to compensate by using heavier dozer or spade bits.

We will just have to get inventive.

Why can't you make the Dozer heavier?

Massive amounts of regolith might be removable by dropping a heavy metal weight from Orbit or using a thermonuclear device buried under the ground.

#270 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » SSTO » 2008-03-15 05:50:18

Mass drivers? As in going directly to orbit? Or just as a boost for a launch vehicle?

Either one of those scenarios! Either to directly launch into orbit, or to work as a booster.

It think that you could get rid alot the weight of the fuel by using some sort of electomagnetic catapult. For some reason they can't/won't do this. Anybody know the specifics?

#271 Re: Single Stage To Orbit » SSTO » 2008-03-14 20:50:44

How Come Mass Driver don't work?

#272 Re: Human missions » Underground nuclear explosions as a source of power » 2008-03-14 20:45:31

There is very little reason to do anything like this. Most of the energy released from the explosion wouldn't be possible to capture and use. It would require digging deep with expensive drills. People will be pissed at transporting Nuclears Weapons across space etc etc

There are much more practical means of obtaining energy on the Martian surface. Its not as if

By the time settleing Mars becomes possible, Fusion Power will have been cracked. Maybe ITER will do it or NIF or the even Dr Bussard's Polywell Fusor. Somebody will achieve it. Besides that in the future, Solar Cells will be way way more energy efficient. Some of them can reach 40% efficiency. With Quantum Dot and Nano Tech even higher efficiencies can be achieved.
It will be much easier to drag those across space and unfold them on the surface.

Thermonuclear Weapons might have an interesting use for quickly removing/deforming terrain but thats just my personal speculation

#273 Re: Terraformation » New ideas for terraforming mars » 2008-03-14 20:34:45

The Earth's magnetic field isn't amazingly strong, so I've heard, only couple of microtelsas.

I'm sure in the future there will be a technolgical solution. Perhaps their will an electromagnetic grid built across the planet's surface powered by solar power or nuclear fusion reactors.

I've got a small hunch that Earth's having plate tectonics and a global magnetic field have something to do with having such a huge moon. I'm no expert about this, but Venus and Mars don't have either of these for some reason.

#274 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » War » 2008-03-12 18:02:57

on a mars that is anything less than habitable, war is completely rediculous.  Like in red mars, crushing opposition on an unterraformed mars is as simple as popping a balloon.

Even on a terraformed Mars it would be slightly ridiculous. Mars has much less Surface Area than Earth.

I think something different from the past will happen on a colonised Mars because of technology

#275 Re: Space Policy » Why Not Offer A "Bounty" For A Mars Mission - 10 Billion dollars for the first » 2008-03-12 09:59:42

I want to be the first man to pee all over Mars, therefore claiming the land.

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