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Why is the number 6 and resting on the 7th important in the creation? God is a God of numbers:

One is the number for unity. Genesis 1:1-5. The part of creation that comes together. So ends the first day.

Two is the number of division. Genesis 1:6-8, God devides or seperates things. The waters from above from the water below. So ends day two.

Three is the number of resurrection, devine completeness and perfection. Genesis 1:9-13, God resurrects life from his creation (earth). The earth is now finished or completed, it's life, that grows from it, and it's form, is done. So ends day three.

Four is the number of creation of everything that so far does not require the blood of life. Genesis 1:14-19. All of the stars, planets etc... are now completed. So the void (filling the earth with life that grows from itself) is now fixed.

Four also applies to:
1) Four regions; North, South, East, West.
2) Four elemants; Earth, Air, Fire, Water.
3) Four Seasons; Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter.
4) Four kingdoms; Mineral, vegetable, animal, spiritual.
5) Four winds; from the four directions of this earth as mentioned in the word of God.
6) Four divisions of our day; morning, noon, evening, and night.
7) Four phases of the moon; 1st quarter, new moon, last quarter, and full moon.

Five is the number for God's grace or goodness. There are five offerings in the word of God: 1) The burnt offering, 2) The peace offering, 3) The sin offering, 4) The trespass offering, and 5) The meat offering. To have these offerings, you have to have animals to scrifice. So on the fifth day, God created the animals(Genesis 1:20-23) so that His grace through offerings for sins could be manifested.

Six is the number of: weakness of man, evils of satan, and manifestation of sin. All of this came about through the creation of man. Genesis 1:24-31. Man is what satan used to manifest his evil (sin) through.

Seven is the number for completeness, and spiritual perfection, Genesis 2:1-3. This also set up the 7 day week as a time period we now use. 7 is also the day we worship the Lord.

I cant really see your point - but considering your track record with numbers I'm not going to bother reading it again.

Congratulations on counting to six though. (I'm assuming you got seven because it was the only number left)

ok.......

If God is all powerfull (which im not contesting)

and can 'speak' anything into existence

Why did it take him six days?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Doesnt sound like a days work to me - more like 30 seconds. But if he didnt rest till the 7th day, what was he doing for the rest of the time?

Or maybe God didnt tell us everything, maybe he just wanted to get across the point that he made everything, and he did it in stages, and it was actually quite hard and he was proud of his little project and he didnt want us to get the impression that he had rushed things or cut any corners?

That 'cell frequency' diagnostic test is getting close to the rotating crystal contraption Dr. McCoy used on "Star Trek" to work out in a jiffy what was wrong with crew members of the Enterprise.
    Who knows? Maybe the German guy is on to something.

    It's difficult, though, to imagine how a machine detecting various frequencies of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) could track down the individual radiation emanating from one or a few particular atoms in one or a few particular cells in a human body. I don't know how many cells there are in an average human, nor how many atoms there are in an average human cell, but it's gonna be a big number!
    All atoms, at temperatures above absolute zero, emit EMR (infra-red and radio waves, for example). So this new machine will be picking up EMR from atoms in the person being examined, EMR from the atoms in the machine itself, EMR from the air molecules in the room, EMR from outer space, even EMR from the fillings in the doctor's teeth! If it's sensitive enough to focus on radiation from the atoms in small groups of cancerous cells deep inside a human body, it'll pick up radiation from everywhere.
    Wouldn't it be tricky to eliminate all the background emissions and get an accurate reading on the problem areas?
                                            ???

If frequencies can't travel through space, then how do we communicate into space? Whether it's through microwaves or what ever, it still requires a frequency of some sort to do it.

Electromagnetic waves (radio, microwaves, infrared, light, UV, X-rays, gamma-rays) travel through space.  In addition particles of matter can be created is sufficiently high-energy electromagnetic wave are sufficiently concentrated.  This also creates corresponding particles of antimatter which tend to destroy the matter particles, but that is probably not an insoluble problem.  While I am not convinced that this is what happened, it is certainly an interesting theory.

What do you think the actual age of the Earth or the Universe tells you about God?

It tells me that somethings man will never accept. I believe that things look old as a by-product of quick creation. Since we cannot test this, it can only come from what seems to fit.

Example: Any element that is needed in a certain stage for creation, God could speak into existence and use it. An element or material that would normally take millions or even billions of years to be in the state that it is in when we examine it today. I believe God left this evidence here as His testament to His power even over time. Why? Because He created time. But because scientists won't factor in creation or a creator, they look at what they find as physical evidence as an as is evidence. In other words, it is what it is with out devine intervention.
You see, most things dated are right on the money about what age something might be. But when any other intervention, such as God, is factored out. The only conclusion is what you see. And when your judging using only one direction(no other way) for only one conclusion(origins without God), then what you see is what you get.

I'm not saying the dating methods are off. It's when you don't factor in the capabilities of God, then God does not fit.

Why would God seek to deceive us?

What do you think the actual age of the Earth or the Universe tells you about God?

That's just about the funniest post I've ever had the pleasure of reading. When I got to " what can fit into the shoes of God" I cracked up. But when you used the metaphor of "a CEO of a company," I didn't think THAT was very funny.

The Bible is not God.  The bible did not make the earth.  The bible is one of a million creation myths.

Though spiritual knowledge can be gathered from it (as was the works intention) it is not a valuable source of factual, scientific knowledge (though there is a log of good antropologic information to be had from it).

If the bible is in literal contradiction with scientific law, there are one of 2 explinations.  There is also a third option.

Either 1: the bible is flawed and god had it wrong.

or

2: the bible was never meant to be taken literally, but instead intended ad a vehicle for spiritual developmnent, not scientific knowledge.

and if neither of these sit well with you, there is a third option.

3:  Ignore the peer reviewed direct observations of careful, sceptical men and women and instead just think what my preacher tells me to.

I can see where this thread is going and your attitude about it. All the things you accuse me of doing in interpatations of God's word, you do yourself. The bias shows. You are saying: My interpatation is better than yours and none of what you say I'll never accept. That's fine with me. My views are here for all to read and to accept or not. But your views you push and push as the "only way, the only truth etc..." Sorry we all don't think like you.

Just like God gave all choices to choose whatever. I choose not to participate in this thread anymore. O I know you'll come up with something witty to say to get the last word. As a show to your friends here that you are superior lol. But, when the time comes, there will be someone that no one can out do. And when He judges us all, there will be no excuse for not believing what is written. It is what you call faith. And faith is not what you have. And for that, I'm truly sorry.

Nope, the point is that you yourself interprit the bible figuratively not literally, and therefore are violating the very premise of your professed ideology.

You choose to contradict contemporary science, professing biblical literalism, but then go about interpriting the bible non-literally yourself.

Many people can interprit the bible in a manner that does not contradict contemporary science.

Obviously there is no room for debate as you are completely closed minded.

Perhaps you could clear somthing up for me,  As the sun was not created until the 4th day...  How was a Day defined?

Without a sun, how can one have a day?

Did step 1-3 of creation take exactly 24 hours each?

Or is the term "Day" used by god metiphoricly as a representation of a arbitrary amount of time?

Well Alt, on this one I both agree and disagree with you: on the one hand, I was willing to defend YAC because they didn't seem to be here to defend themselves and because the comments made about them were snide, unsolicited and superior -- bullyish.

But now we have a YAC rep who appears not only to be defending himself, but to be worming his way onto this board in order to turn it into his own recruiting tool -- NOT the intent of the board. Whether or not I'm wrong will be shown by their actions, and whether or not they attempt to spread their faith here. I'm willing to defend Fundies as long as they don't take advantage of my actions. (Not that witnessing is bad, just don't do it in an underhanded manner. Whether or not they are, well, we'll see.)

On the other hand this is freechat, so If you want to nip this in the bud, rather than attacking another point of view for simply being here I would suggest bailing on the thread -- I won't be back (way too much interesting stuff elsewhere on this board anyway.) Simple.

This would be a much better solution than for a bunch of close minded people to bash each other in public -- is anything this person says going to change your point of view or vice versa? -- with all the attendant bad juju of a flame war. (No insult intended there Alt: I admit to being somewhat close minded myself.) At any rate Dicktice might want to try bailing and be saved a serious rise in blood pressure.

About the Genesis question, lemmie have some fun and play Devil's advocate before I make a somewhat less than graceful exit: :;):

Somewhere in the Bible -- now where is that passage again? -- its made plain that a day for God is not what it is for man, which makes sense to me, and answers your last question. (I'm pretty sure a day on a planet in another solar system is not going to be of the same length as good old planet Earth, and even Mars is off by about a half hour -- and when man walked on the Moon was their day 24 hours or two weeks?)

So, by my way of thinking, nobody's ideology is threatened unless you blindly stick to dogma -- and I don't think God wants robots, but rather people who sin and repent, and struggle with issues of faith and truth, and come out ahead anyway, like Jacob did during a certain wrestling match.

I really don't see how God's glory has been diminished by science, especially astronomy, because every discovery has only shown what we always suspected to be true:  the reality of the Universe is far beyond anything we could have imagined. Think of all the 16th, and 18th -- and 20th! --  century Catholics who were thrown into a state of doubt because their church insisted the the Sun went around the Earth. Does the fact that the Earth orbits the Sun lessen God? No. It lessens us, and a little humility is a good thing now and then -- in fact it may be the whole point.

As long as YAC is going to start preaching on this thread then they should consider this from one who defended you till now: your insistance on dogmatic religiosity -- and pride in your mastery of it -- rather than simple appreciation of and gratitude for the works and beauty of a God who far surpasses our imaginations, threatens the very faith -- and faithful -- you seek to defend. It damn near destroyed mine.