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#1 Re: Planetary transportation » Nukemobiles on Mars » Today 07:39:37

MMRTG 110 watt

NASA’s Perseverance Rover Hits the Mark – “This Is the Kind of Rock We Had Hoped To Find”
https://scitechdaily.com/nasas-persever … d-to-find/

#2 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » Today 07:22:01

It would seem China has sent the Pakistani craft to the Moon, they went to hitch a ride on a Chinese Lunar probe.

Pakistan is also seen as a US ally, although it is a jihadi islamic type parliamentary republic with 98% mohammedans, there has been alleged Pakistani support for Osama bin Laden, 13 years ago in Laden was killed by by United States Navy SEALs.

ICUBE Q (ICUBE Qamar)
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/icube-q.htm

From 2023

Pakistan becomes latest country to join China’s ILRS moon project
https://spacenews.com/pakistan-becomes- … n-project/

#3 Re: Human missions » The reason to go to mars - Going to mars is not a waste of money » Today 07:02:43

an older topic on investing in colonization

However objectives of a Lunar-Group or MoonSociety seem to have taken over NASA's minds of late,  lunar mining, lunar villages, Moon city, lunar base, full support of calling the effort of the Gateway Station and "Artemis Project'.

Going back to Stay?

https://archive.fo/RBs1


Musk is looking somewhere else

SpaceX's giant Starship will be 500 feet tall for Mars missions, Elon Musk says
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-5 … -elon-musk


Chinese have let out news items to the public that they intend to get a Sample Return before NASA / JPL


the video goes into a lot of fringe news or scifi speculation stuff, multi-planet species but it shows what potential Mars has for the first arrivals.

What Happens If China Colonizes Mars Before NASA & SpaceX?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Lp3WSUiL8

#4 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Svalbard - Ja? » Today 06:54:04

an old topic

and sometimes we had analogy, Svalbard was in fact 'The Moon' and the New World was the temptation like Mars.

When the Chinese say they want to bring back a MSR before NASA people are not sure they are looking at Mars? Does nobody believe China's ultimate goal is Mars?

what if instead of going to the America's the Empires of the French, Spanish, British and Portuguese but all their effort into trying to make 'Svalbard' profitable and the Old World never sailed to? the 'New World' manned mission would only happen after they made 'Svalbard' an economic and civilization success, Svalbard the mission and the ships never brought a new culture to the Americas.

I visited the little Russian town that's inside a NATO country and it was spookily quiet
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/18 … TO-country
Svalbard, sitting 800 miles from the North Pole, is governed by Norway but hosts a tiny Russian settlement.

Perhaps NASA also desires a spookily quiet ability to go and make Lunar culture like Svalbard culture, prove it can be done and maybe build a ghost town on the Moon.

#5 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Earth Atmospherics/Weather » Today 06:49:03

Brazil floods: 85 dead, 130 missing, 150,000 displaced from their homes
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-am … 968987.amp

most of a city looks underwater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL13GyJh03A

Porto Alegre the capital and largest city of the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul has 1.5 million inhabitants

Photos from the sky and satellites look even worse, similar to Katrina and New Orleans

#7 Re: Human missions » Why Artemis is “better” than Apollo. » Today 02:49:45

Landing a man on the moon before the end of the decade with Apollo but Artemis is 3 decades and more?

SLS might be done, a rocket declared extinct before it delivers all payloads, finsihed before it flies and another GAO report calls for more transparency. Europe/ESA can't save NASA they have their own problems and neither will the Japanese, forget about it. They say NASA's aspirational cost saving goals are highly unrealistic, cuts seem to arrive in the political climate. Maybe something else like MSR is likely to be cut, there are other commercial routes but the entire program is delayed so SpaceX, ULA, and Blue Origin have not delivered on time. As of this moment the SLS rocket program is the only rocket which performed a trans-lunar injection before releasing Orion, NASA officials however told the GAO that at current cost levels, the SLS program is unaffordable. Lori Garver, NASA’s former deputy administrator does not believe in the mission at all, she has talked of shipping the Moon and using Super-Heavy Lift for defending Earth against threatening asteroids and developing new propulsion technologies for the 21st century. She said that NASA decided, they would do it by their own self and thus the private sector although it potentially can deliver, Bezos and Musk had a lot less incentive to get it done quickly. On Artemis and Gateway and building a town on the Moon and using it to step to Mars she has said 'I do not see a realistic, sustainable path for this program'.

I think Artemis is already a political disaster, it has changed names but if you think about it it was born out of the mini-Bush vision but changed somewhat, even Bush had opened the door for commercialization. They will claim it is not the same goal as that set by 43rd President of the United States George W. Bush. This is still the Bush vision modified after the loss of Shuttle, Bush junior had a 'Global' idea, first fixing USA's space industry and sending the USA and this time the Western world back to the Moon, he gave NASA a new goal retire the Shuttle, finish the ISS and use the Moon as a stepping stone to Mars, launch all these other science missions while fighting wars on a number of fronts. Bush had looming recession and parts of it got cancelled, cut or modified first by Bush junior then by Obama or Trump who put their own stamp on 'Space Policy' yet the vision is almost the same, there seem to be a lot of politics placed on the program maybe rather than a White person they can have the first Moon Town founded by an islamic transexual person of color a cross between woman man like you see this quota at Hollywood Oscars, that's the political world we are in now.

There are agreements and accords signed but why would United States government and other world governments sign these complex deals with so many nations of radically different value, some partners are good and can provide tech for example Canada or Japan but the others Nigeria, Isle of Man, Ecuador, India, Rwanda? Why does NASA which can land Viking landers on Mars, build Skylab and sent probes beyond Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto need an islamist Sharia Law monarchy theocracy need to provide airlock for NASA's moon-orbiting Gateway space?
Let's look at possible delays on Earth today. If I order a product in the next 3 months in development in Canada or Germany or Japan or South Korea or France, maybe a Siemens medical software device, some Nintendo Sony Playstation thing about to be released, a French mototbike, or a South Korean digger, there is a good chance it will be manufactured on time and delivered to me on time. With world supply chains hammered and chaos and war in Arabia and shipping delayed in the Middle East what are the chances some jihadi kingdom of islamics will make an airlock or deliver that door to NASA on time?

It seems the experience of going to the Moon and experience of landing stuff on the Moon has been lost in the quest to have commercialization answer issues. Failure another Spacecraft Failure a partial failure, another Failure, Lunar Flashlight, Beresheet, EagleCam, LunaH-Map, the Japanese term Omotenashi, CubeSat for Solar Particles, Lunar IceCube, Hakuto-R, the Arab Rashid, Peregrine Mission One, these are all Lunar space junk or Earth space junk, Russia also had failure with Luna-25.
'Odysseus spacecraft on its side after landing on the moon, officials say'
Mankind is putting a lot of expensive broken space junk on the Moon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/odysseu … -1.7123958

He said the lander had come in too fast and may have snapped a leg.

What are the chances someone signing an agreement won't deliver on time or a country just goes away and does its own thing, signs up with Russia or China? Brazil was on the ISS for a while, it has signed new 'Space Law' with NASA / USA joining the accords but its difficult to know where they will go next, they are now part of BRICS an intergovernmental organization offering an alternative route to Pax-Americana or Britannia or the EU comprising Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates. The USA has been trying to woo and seduce India but Hindu Nationalists play their own political game, they do their own thing including being involved in assassination inside Canada. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine sanctions were put, Japan and Australia and others are part of the Western alliance is you want to call it that, India does its own thing is willing to allow Russia to use a route to ships its oil and other commodity around the world. NASA can sign all these papers and treaty and deals and arrangements but some seem to work less well. In Europe in Asia two big players in robotic tech, the ESA and the Japanese they are ISS partners. SLS is simply too expensive, SpaceX proves the reusable launch system is the way to go the only others working on a similar system are the Chinese and there are a bunch of China companies which will be soon using inspired or knock off Space-X designs. The ESA supply spacecraft Automated Transfer Vehicle or ATV is interesting and so is the H-II Transfer Vehicle (HTV) also called Kounotori, it will be interesting to see what comes to supply the Moon. However for Lunar missions the Ariane and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries H-II or H-2 are of the old 'expendable' mindset, they were good for their time but it is a dinosaur philosophy.

If you really want to see what's wrong with it all Robert Zubrin's - Moon Direct talk and criticism of Gateway is a good start on what should be fixed.
What do we know from Apollo on fuel and payload and Delta V they say 6 km per second Δ v is useful.
How do you organize food and people and transport in place the size of Africa but not lush, no water, nothing to breathe, the full day night cycle 27 days 7 hours 43 minutes a long hot 2 week long daytime 250° Fahrenheit 120° Celsius or and a night that plummets to -208 degrees F -130° C, radioactive toxic world with no roads, no rail, no air, very rough and hazardous terrain, risk of death from solar flares and micro meteorites. Some people want to test 'Cars' on the Moon. The guys designing these Lunar cities they also admit Manufacture of rocket fuel from local resources is not possible on the Moon.
He has called Gateway an 'Orbital Toll Booth' offering minimum access to the surface with 'Maximum Risks'

Will the Moon get NASA or mankind to Mars? What amazing book of information does the Moon gives us on humans becoming Martians, terraforming the landscape and a Mars colony? Maybe Titan or Europa or Venus or any of the thousands of times cheaper of the Earth Analogues or going to Mars and getting a sample can teach you more about Mars.
For example on the Moon mission what will the Moon teach you about the Solar flux reach plants and animals in a Biodome on Mars, what does the Lunar mission teach you on Aerobraking the astronautical technique used to reduce the height of spacecraft orbits by allowing atmospheric drag to slow the spacecraft's velocity?
Does landing on the Moon consume more time, energy and money or does it really provide a stepping stone to Mars?

#8 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » Yesterday 16:43:49

maybe AI can translate the first cultures a written lost cave language modern humans do not understand


Year in review: Asian cave art got an early start
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/yea … arly-start
Hand stencils revise painting history



For a while we thought humans unique but with AI we see humans might share many things with animals, some animals may have complex language they use immediate body signals and gesture and movement, they might have 'song' a form of music and immediate sounds and speech but so far as we understand they do not try send a signal through time, past, the present and future

only the human will try write a poem for someone gone and dead in the past, a human they will try transmit a mail or letter in the current, maybe even write a book to tell a story to a distant relative in the future

Code hidden in Stone Age art may be the root of human writing
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg … d-symbols/

A painstaking investigation of Europe’s cave art has revealed 32 shapes and lines that crop up again and again and could be the world’s oldest code

paywall subscribe article

Biggest Denisovan fossil yet spills ancient human’s secrets
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01395-0
Jawbone from China reveals that the ancient human was widespread across the world — and lived at surprising altitude.



Ancient Siberian cave hosted Neanderthals, Denisovans, and modern humans—possibly at the same time
https://www.science.org/content/article … sibly-same
DNA from ancient soil reveals the history of the cave that cracked open the field of human evolution


The Earliest European Cave Art Was Made by Neanderthals
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/n … art-europe
A new study suggests that they had the capacity for symbolic behavior.

“I often find myself wondering what drove these people to go so deep to brave dangerous and narrow passageways to leave their mark?”
https://linesandmarks.com/genevieve-von … ervations/

what did they say? how did this human interpret the information and where did the message go to?

Painted images and symbols appear on cave walls and rock shelters throughout the world. But researchers have had a tough time identifying how long ago various instances of rock art were created. Radiocarbon analyses of bits of paint removed from cave paintings have yielded inconsistent results.

Aubert and Brumm’s team opted for a technique called uranium-series dating. This method estimates the time needed for mineral deposits to form and partially cover some examples of cave art, providing a minimum age for those images. Another team recently used uranium-series dating to show that cave painting began in Western Europe by 40,800 years ago.

If further research confirms that cave art appeared at the same time in Western Europe and Southeast Asia, these practices must have started in Africa before modern humans spread to Europe and Asia 60,000 years ago, Aubert suspects.

More uranium-series dates for Southeast Asian rock art are in the works. Aubert has already scouted caves and rock shelters on Borneo that contain potentially ancient paintings. He plans to do the same in New Guinea. Sulawesi contains more than 100 cave art sites, “and more are discovered every year,” he says.

If further research confirms that cave art appeared at the same time in Western Europe and Southeast Asia, these practices must have started in Africa before modern humans spread to Europe and Asia 60,000 years ago, Aubert suspects.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/yea … arly-start


Ancient cave art went global in 2014. Scientists reported that Stone Age cave painting began at about the same time in Southeast Asia as in Europe.

#9 Re: Not So Free Chat » Mob Behaviors, and Interference usage of Environmentalism. » Yesterday 13:53:55

Renewable-leading Germany likely to be dependent on coal to keep the lights on through 2027
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy … eep-lights


another story of a mob cult


It seems to be total AI made, voice, music and art?

'The True Story of Rasputin's Influence and Death'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxbQAalr4Ns

#12 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » Yesterday 10:37:04

News states Ukraine is in trouble, its bloody and damaged and Russia is expanding in the last few weeks they say, Russia friends with Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Cuba, Russia has moved into military bases in Africa where France, NATO or the USA had been. The news says the Russian Empire is back but if you look at the numbers its both who are bloody and damaged.

It looks bleak for Ukraine, while at the same time Russia has small gains but its not a positive for the Russians.

Many US soldiers died or were injured in Iraq and Afghanistan but compared to other wars the se numbers were relatively low, USA maybe a figure of 4,400+ in Iraq? in a short two year period Russia in Ukraine has lost Twenty times what the US lost in Afghanistan and Iraq over a 20 year period.

The loss of Russians compares with WW1 or almost ancient Medieval wars of mass death, the Franco-Dutch War, the damage done to the USSR during the Soviet–Afghan Wars, English French wars and Civil Wars such as Wars of the Roses, the Yemen Civil War.

Russia keeps throwing bodies at this meat grinder war to try gain land and the Ukrainian armed forces have shown that they do not possess the same number of bodies to throw at this bloody meat grinder than Russians do.

However

France estimates that 150,000 Russian soldiers have been killed during Moscow's invasion of Ukraine,

Foreign Minister Stéphane Séjourné says and + 350,000 wounded

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2024 … kraine-war


other conflict, terror, fighting and conquest and web banning they claim to defeat propaganda?

however politics is divided today and its difficult for anyone to write a news item or article without one side accusing them of being extreme left or extreme right

Turkey converts another historic Byzantine church into a mosque
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/05/turk … o-a-mosque

Caitlin Johnstone perhaps classed far-left, is an Australian independent journalist maybe because  there are a lot of bizarre conspiracy around her.

crazy left?

Genocidal Psychopaths Celebrate International Day To Combat Islamophobia
https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/genoc … 5672a11aba

and the other side, the crazy conservative patriot right?

James B. Meigs
https://www.city-journal.org/article/un … c-american

The TikTok Ban Is the Next Patriot Act
https://mises.org/mises-wire/tiktok-ban … atriot-act

War maps show Russia's creeping advance in Ukraine
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine … ne-1891151

Germany: Knife-wielding Muslim migrant terrifies kindergarten children
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/05/germ … n-children

#13 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Tired Light and other Hypothetical controversial Cosmology topics » Yesterday 10:35:24

The universe may be dominated by particles that break causality and move faster than light, new paper suggests
https://www.livescience.com/physics-mat … r-suggests

With the nature of the universe's two most elusive components up for debate, physicists have proposed a radical idea: Invisible particles called tachyons, which break causality and move faster than light, may dominate the cosmos.

#14 Re: Human missions » Interview with Robert Zubrin » 2024-05-06 13:13:29

A practical approach to the Mars Sample Return mission

Robert Zubrin

https://spacenews.com/practical-approac … n-mission/

NASA’s Mars Sample Return (MSR) mission has run aground, wrecked by a $10 billion price estimate, a 16 year timeline and excessive mission and programmatic risk. If the mission is to proceed, a much simpler and cheaper approach must be found.

Fortunately, such an approach is available. The current MSR mission plan is so costly, complex, and risky because it has not been approached as a mission to be accomplished as swiftly and cheaply as possible, but as an activity to be used to unify the international space exploration community by giving as many players as possible something to do. Thus the current script for MSR provides starring roles for, among others, the Perseverance mission team, the JPL Mars helicopter development team, the Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV) development team, the many nations of the European Space Agency, the advanced propulsion community, autonomous rendezvous and dock technology developers, precision landing technologists, Mars lander developers, Mars orbiter developers, the Planetary Protection bureaucracy and perhaps even the Artemis program Deep Space Gateway program.

The way to cheapen, quicken and de-risk the mission is to cut most of this mob out of the action.

There are two ways this can be done...

I believe the same article was posted at the fornt page of the Mars society website 20 hours ago ·

he finishes the article with criticism of NASA

'NASA needs to decide whether it wants to have an effective Mars exploration program or a happily empowered planetary protection bureaucracy. It can’t have both.'



another side to this is international politics


the Chinese have public stated they plan on going to Mars with a MSR and will be getting samples back before the NASA / JPL missiom there are conflicting media reports on the China mission but it seems it could have a proposed 2030 Mission called 'Tianwen-3' after a Mars mission Tianmen-1 already at Mars, an Asteroid mission Tianwen-2 (yet to launch) and Lunar missions the Moon sample-returns Chang'e 5 and Chang'e 6 recently launched.


some other videos

2022 - Why Getting Rocks Back From Mars Is A Massive Challenge 'Scott Manley'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZq3GXJrqw4

Cost Concerns For NASA's Mars Sample Return Mission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-7QnhIieo

Robert Zubrin is right about the NASA Mars Sample Return Mission! Here's why!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXK1V67VCec
social media channel 'The Angry Astronaut'

#15 Re: Not So Free Chat » Crime & civic responsibility » 2024-05-06 12:35:55

How bad is crime in NYC? Mayor boosts NYPD recruits
https://wobm.com/ixp/385/p/adams-boosts … -concerns/

NYC Mayor Adams: ‘Outside agitators’ were part of campus protests
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/n … s-protests

I think events might heat up in the summer, in the country of Poland people are protesting stuff in the Middle East which is their right, but of all the places they could protest the pro-islamo idiots are doing Pro Hamas protest outside of Auschwitz, right now.


LA seems to have collapsed faster and faster, maybe in past 1 and a half years maybe the last 6 months, you see it looking like a Horror Dystopia in social media feeds and Tv Media hasn’t talked about it at all really.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/17 … 5792312628

Crime is a ballot 'vulnerability' for California Democrats after Schiff, Bass break-ins

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crime-ballot … 24917.html

Billionaire heiress, 16, disappears in San Francisco neighbourhood known for drugs and crime

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/mint-butterf … isco-tech/


another report says she was found inside a Van and 'Lured' with 'Drugs'

the streets where she was spotted and wher Cops tracked her down were littered with heroin needles and piles of human excrement.

#16 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official? » 2024-05-06 10:56:31

Is AI the future of learning?
https://thesector.com.au/2024/04/30/is- … -learning/

on the subject of AI

AI Wars: Google's Bard Takes On OpenAI's ChatGPT - Brian Rose & Dr Ben Goertze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPiaa_yta9Y

it is amazing how fast the internet has changed learning for those who want to learn, there are so many lessons in so many subjects, you can even turn casual watching into a form of sub conscious knowledge by acquisition of repeating sound and recognition without grammar lessons.

Languages on Mars might rise with the arrival of new people and certain community and cultures might have a natural death, among teens you can see a subculture within peoples or nations and language community, the subculture is a group of people within a cultural society that differentiates from the mainstream, they might follow their bands different to the mainstream, wacth certain movies or or have their own tribe fashions, or use different slang, mannerisms, and argot, the Punk Rockers could be classed as a Sub Culture, the Rappers or the Gamers, subcultures are often in search of what is 'Hip' or Cool, the Charleston, Blues or Swing or 'Jazz' was once a youth sub culture, it might be criticized today as no longer wanted or popular as losing its roots and now old and elitist, thr growth of cities might have expanded subculture, the urban tribe or neotribalism, through gaming and the internet subcultures expand, grow, die and get replaced by other cultures even faster, a sub culture can be a mix of many things it can be 'high culture' high art and Lowculture Art that other Artists may deem to be "inferior" youth might form their own culture outside of work, home and school, the United States culture and Hispanic culture may have similarity but their own unique differences the jocks unusual in having athletics specifically affiliated with schools, within an area for example Spain has Regional folk cultures, different languages, within each community each group of teenagers might share a similar 'sub-culture' with those of a different language and region, the Rockeros may embrace old American rock and roll and favor classic rock songs and looks, Latin America as has a dance hall culture, tradition Flamenco from the South of Spain and dances such as Salsa, Merengue Mambo, Zouk, Reggaeton, Tango, Latino culture is extremely diverse, every teen culture on Earth seem to have followers of the popular Japanese cartoon and video game cultures. Some Latin American cultures seem to follow the same music made by DJ's of North America and Europe, samples from songs, tribal, ambient classical harmony, with a funk bass line or a mixture of house and trance beats. The Spanish also had Geeks culture, the frikis a Mexican equivalent word for the nerd or geek maybe similar to the Japanese 'Otaku' gamer, an Otaku can be seen as negative a withdrawn hermit, they also had other slang or negative names applied to groups of people. Chairo feminine chaira the pot smoking gamer who wears a Che T-Shirt and holds a far-left ideology, specifically any person who thoughtlessly defends, idolizes, and fawns over a populist politician, a weed addict involved in politics with a similar to that of a religious fanatic, similar terms in other Spanish-speaking countries include perroflautas in Spain, zurdos in Argentina and comunachos in Chile
Javier Milei was seen using such slang and terms about current 'culture' before his election. He used social media as trump did to get elected and videos were widely shared on the you tubes the face books the tik toks and websites that were uniquely Spanish culture
https://www.tiktok.com/@maxvadillo77/vi … 8631665925

One of the most popular websites in the Spanish speaking world is now gone, it also was a window into popular Spanish culture and sub cultures.

Sometimes a website dies and the internet can lose something, Taringa! served the Hispanic culture, it was a goofy pop culture site like a video of the day or 9gag or cracked dot com or meme site, it had some news or politics but didn't really have much to say, it was an Argentine-based social networking, there might have been links to piracy of tv shows or music on the site. Taringa! was included by the FBI as a websites investigated for copyright infringement.  In March 2024 they said the website would shut down due to changing trends in social media platforms, maybe the culture of Argentina started changing, Javier Milei the President of Argentina in December 2023, his views already changing the 2024 Argentine political landscape. The truth of it is Taringa! seemed to be in a recent decline, online Spanish news papers seemed to do ok, people had already started to move to the new instagrams, tiktoks, Anime and Gamer sites, whatsapps,


A Spanish language politics forum
https://www.foroparalelo.com/politica/? … 5b012e7f9e

this one from Chile
https://www.antronio.cl/foros/politica-debates.22/

another discussion forum but Peru
https://www.forosperu.net/secciones/act … ndial.145/

2000 Years ago one might have not guessed the Spanish would culturally take most of the world, it even spread to North America, Rome was far more powerful the center the Empire, then over time Rome expanded and collapsed but the Spanish language is from the Italic, pre-Spanish family, Latino-Faliscan, Italian, Latin, Romance family the languages are still so close they can often understand each other without having learned each other's native tongues.

Portuguese, French and Romanian are all of this family but are all national languages of their respective countries of origin.

A Spanish language video about the history of Aviation and brothers Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MXcWfP66OA

French language video 10 Animals that went to Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS4dNqEEWuM

There has been a recent pop culture explosion in all things Korean due to South Korean movies, their pop music and scifi fantasy soap opera tv dramas.

'Best K-dramas starring nine-tailed foxes or gumihos for a fantastical TV binge'
https://www.lifestyleasia.com/hk/entert … s-fantasy/

The Evolution of Korean Dramas: From Niche to Global Phenomenon
https://techbullion.com/the-evolution-o … henomenon/
Introduction: Korean dramas, also known as K-dramas, have seen a remarkable surge in popularity over the past few years, transcending cultural boundaries to captivate audiences worldwide.

The best Korean TV shows you can stream right now
https://www.aol.co.uk/best-korean-shows … 46168.html
Korean culture has captivated the world, in part thanks to the huge popularity of TV shows and films like Squid Game and Parasite

Skip K-dramas and binge on these exciting Korean reality shows instead!
https://www.lifestyleasia.com/kl/entert … -tv-shows/
But just as much as the fantastical and fanciful tales of grandeur have captivated audiences, the same can be said of Korean reality TV shows.


South Korea recently had success in Space

A South Korean video Man's trip to the moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbkqQZLBEg

'Anyone can learn to read and write in Korean!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdoKOOlaRWA

Compared to Japanese or Chinese the Korean alphabet, known as Hangul the modern official writing system is far more easy to learn, it uses 24 basic letters: 14 consonant sound letters and 10 vowel letters but then combos stacked on top of each other or or next to each other, complex letters that are formed by combining far less complex than Chinese or Japanese .

Japan is a different country sometimes considered 'The West' sometimes not Shinto is popular in Japan, many in Japan perhaps close to half of the population as Shinto followers or another half identify as followers of Buddhism. However depending on how you might ask a question they might respond they are Atheists or follow a Spiritual superstition way? Christianity has been in Japan but is a minority religion, there are much larger Christian populations in South Korea in Japan Christianity less than 1% of the population.

Here is a Japanese language video asking if Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are actually the same origin?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eec-U1_V-pI

#18 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Role of Religion in the Martian frontier » 2024-05-06 07:17:57

Romney Mormon, a guy talked with "Rock in hat" the branch of the Latter Day Saint movement started by Joseph Smith

Blinken participates in a keynote conversation at the McCain Institute - Blinken says Israel’s PR is failing because social media allows people a direct look at what’s happening, shorn of the ability to mediate it. Romney then says yes, "that’s why we moved to ban TikTok".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92PzA6eEyM

stars 19:30 ish and the Romney blabbing comments about banning internet media

Young Jewish extremists dream of colonizing Gaza
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 242_4.html


The Taliban are working to woo tourists to Afghanistan despite ongoing challenges
https://omaha.com/life-entertainment/na … acebd.html


Hindu Nationalism

2024 Elections: What’s at stake for India’s minorities?
https://asianews.network/2024-elections … inorities/

The Guardian view on Patriarch Kirill’s support for Putin’s war: betraying the faith
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … -the-faith

#21 Re: Not So Free Chat » Trump’s Order Turns Family Separation Into Family Imprisonment » 2024-05-06 06:15:34

The Biden Admin does not know what to do

President Biden can even say India and Japanese are racists, say Russia and China are racists or call an ally Japan 'xenophobic' and the media won't hit him as hard as they hit Trump with articles and news broadcast items



Europe has its own problems now

In England there were British votes

One shouted what seems to be an islamic warcry claiming the Moongod al-Lah superior
'We will raise the voice of Palestine. Allahu Akbar!'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … mands.html

beheadings in France, shootings, rapes, Churches burn to the ground. Macron order's riot squad goons to beat up old people, vehicle ramming attacks, a new 'normal'

but they have booze, pot, soap opera and soccer to keep them busy

'PSG hit by cyber attack ahead of Champions League match as security increases after ISIS bomb threat'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football … 553981.amp


Islamists rally for German 'Caliphate' in Hamburg

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274 … in-hamburg


in the USA

Biden blasted by restaurant owner over border crisis and says it's turned 'family-friendly' desert town into hotbed of crime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … sness.html

Trump’s Plan To Deport 11 Million Undocumented Immigrants Impossible
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemot … mpossible/

How would Trump crack down on immigration in a second term?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/how-tr … 023-11-14/

Trump says he wouldn’t give Mexican president ’10 cents’ following demand of $20 billion to shut down border
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/04/01 … r-1449203/

Everyone knew they would get a loud hot head with Trump, he seemed at times to have a way of shout and blurting stuff Tourette's Syndrome while the media entered its own delusion, mania or derangement syndrome. The other extreme were the Obama years coming after 'Patriot Act' Bush junior years, Obama years where you could not say anything without a 'racist' tangent brought up, you could not criticize islamists so the diverse open border mob started to say. Trump at times seemed to lack the sleazy dealer mindset that leaders had and other nations use, when it was time to keep quiet he would shoot is mouth off, offensive at times but it was interesting to see political correctness broken.

When you see the level of human trafficking, drugs and crime coming across the border maybe some of what Trump said was correct even if it was insulting. There have been massive swings between left and right, I would hope a centrist party person would come along but the same old two are running again, its not just in the USA everywhere in the West you can see examples of the possibility of democracy eventually failing.

Trump-
quote
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

because Donald Trump was so different to Oabam and said such shocking statements it was easy for a dishonest media to edit and twist his words to make them seem even worse

Tim Kaine falsely says Trump said 'all Mexicans are rapists'
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … icans-are/

#22 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Paraffin, propulsion and other uses, crash-landing it. » 2024-05-06 05:06:57

German company launches candle wax-powered rocket on test flight into space
https://www.reuters.com/science/german- … 024-05-03/

The company, which has 65 employees and was spun off from Germany's space agency DLR, said it already had orders for satellite transportation worth 100 million euros ($105 million).

#23 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » UCS Warning on Weaponization of Space » 2024-05-06 05:05:11

Escalation of Madness, why people can't live in toxic places or on radiated parts of Earth, North Korea, Pakistan, India and in the 1990s the France bombs and French nuclear testing in the Atolls.

Russia said it would hold a military exercise that will include practice for the use of tactical nuclear weapons after what the defence ministry said were provocative threats from Western officials.

from the news report on Putin, not sure if he's checking a missile or testing a bomb

Russia to practice tactical nuclear weapon in southern military district
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/news/russia-p … 56639.html

#24 Re: Terraformation » Invasive species on Earth might prove useful on Mars » 2024-05-06 05:03:19

Plants in the Light of Ionizing Radiation: What Have We Learned From Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Other “Hot” Places?
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pl … 00552/full

Similar to accident sites, atomic bomb test sites offer a wide range of radionuclides and radiation levels that could be exploited for experimental tests of radiation effects on plant growth. For example the United States detonated 67 atomic bombs at the Marshall Islands and the Soviet Union tested 456 bombs in Semipalatinsk region of Kazakhstan. Vast quantities of radionuclides persist in these regions yet to our knowledge, there have been very few studies concerning the biological impacts of the fallout. Studies of organisms living in these regions could offer insights concerning evolved adaptive responses as most testing ended more than 60 years ago in these areas, or about twice as long since the Chernobyl accident which occurred in 1986.

In contrast to atomic bomb test sites and accidents at nuclear facilities, there are geographic regions where naturally occurring radiation can reach very high levels (three orders of magnitude above global mean levels), as found in India, China, Iran, Turkey, Namibia, and Brazil among others

In space, and on Mars, the radiation environment consists of the solar electromagnetic spectrum and a diverse array of charged particles from both within and outside our solar system (Nelson, 2016). Terrestrial and even low earth orbit environments are largely shielded from these sources because of the Earth’s magnetosphere and atmosphere which deflect most of the heavy ions stemming from galactic cosmic radiation. Because of this, it is extremely difficult to conduct experiments on Earth that mimic the space environment for biologically relevant time periods.

The Sandy Rocky Cold High Altitude Farm or Rock Garden, Lithophytes are plants growing in or on rocks,  NH3 Lithophytes consume atmospheric ammonia. Asarina is a flowering plant genus, the trailing snapdragon, native to France and Spain and introduced in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Hungary, not really considered an invader, Pests and Diseases - None worth mentioning..
https://www.rainyside.com/plant_gallery … mbens.html
Ferns some of the oldest plants on Earth that reproduce via spores and have neither seeds nor flowers, on Earth they make a significant input to the nitrogen nutrition of rice paddies, Ferns are the national emblem of New Zealand. Lantana  flowering plants are native to tropical regions of the Americas and Africa but are an introduced species of invaders in numerous areas, especially in the Australian-Pacific region, South and Northeastern part of India and Bangladesh. Pinguicula is a plant which can be used as insect pest control, commonly known as butterworts, they hey use sticky, glandular leaves to lure, trap, and digest insects, its properties were used by Scandinavians to ferment milk, Europeans applied butterwort leaves to the sores of cattle to promote healing, the plant produce a strong bactericide.  Some species have lost to others and some are re-established by conservation programs, restoration of Takahe population, long threats of extinction a flightless bird of New Zealand, South Island Takahe now find protection in Fiordland National Park the  largest national park, Mars could have unique gardens saving certain life from extinction.


Australia

$423 billion per year and rising: The cost of invasive species revealed
https://invasives.org.au/media-releases … -revealed/


Zombie plants coming back to life
https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/04/inv … rio-lakes/
A pesky invasive plant species is wreaking havoc across Ontario lakes, and aquatic experts say its complete eradication is unlikely.
Eurasian watermilfoil (Myriophyllum spicatum) — also known as the "zombie plant" — gets its nickname from its ability to come back to life even after being severed from its root.
The plant was first found in Ontario in Lake Erie in 1961 and has since spread throughout all of the Great Lakes, the St. Lawrence River, as well as the inland lakes throughout the province.



Plant ‘time bombs’ highlight how sneaky invasive species can be
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/pla … ystem-time
The sycamore maple seemed harmless for over 300 years. Then it started growing out of control


More on 'Ivy'

In Australia Hedera helix, English ivy, European ivy, or just ivy is considered a noxious weed across southern, especially south-eastern, Australia and local councils provide free information and limited services for removal, it has invaded Canada British Columbia the westernmost province of Canada, in the United States, H. helix is considered weedy or invasive in a number of regions and is on the official noxious weed lists in Oregon and Washington.
https://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HEHE

How Much Sunlight Does Ivy Plant Need?
https://livetoplant.com/how-much-sunlig … lant-need/

Ivy plants generally prefer bright but indirect light. They thrive in partially shaded areas where they receive a few hours of direct sunlight each day, especially during the morning or late afternoon. Too much direct sunlight can scorch the leaves and cause them to turn brown or yellow.

English ivy, one of the most popular types of ivy grown worldwide, can tolerate varying light levels. It can grow in full shade but also adapts well to partial sun conditions. However, it’s important to note that excessive shade may cause leggy growth and reduced leaf density.

On the other hand, Algerian ivy and Persian ivy thrive in bright, indirect light. These varieties prefer more sunlight than English ivy and can tolerate partial shade. While they can handle a few hours of direct sunlight, they may suffer if exposed to intense midday sun for prolonged periods.

#25 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Invasive "Super Pigs", Adaptation, and environmental changes » 2024-05-06 04:48:13

Australia's war against the 'Pig'

and spread of flu and diseases

Scottish pig sector launches new effort against African swine fever
https://www.farminguk.com/news/scottish … 64605.html

“It’s the worst it’s ever been”, NSW Farmers calls for more pig control funding
https://www.beefcentral.com/news/its-th … l-funding/
with official estimates suggesting there could be up to 100 million feral pigs in Australia at present


We have probably already contaminated Mars with Microbial Life on Mars, in the past the USA / NASA or the Russian Soviets were not really aware of our modern Panspermia Theories / Hypothesis, there is theory about the worm in a Mars rock ALH84001 that came to Earth and bacteria might have survived on the Lunar missions, Streptococcus mitis on the Moon

but I don't really see the pigs being a problem in a space farm setting.

Even though we have advanced in AI and robotics, the machine or artificial intelligence is unable to do the work of a dog or guard animal. There is upkeep to keep your guard animal healthy, the Dog, the Llama, 'Donkey' is also an interesting working animal, Geese can attack hawks, Llamas can attack a Fox, farmers will sometimes use a Donkey to protect their farm, there can be debate on using males or unbred female which may be protective one Llama by itself may bond better with farm animals. The Donkey on walking on grass or soil would require hoof trimming Uncastrated male donkeys can be dangerous the Donkey can be stubborn and unpredictable but if they get angry they are known for killing wild Boars, hyena and coyote.

Escaped Pigs have done terrible damage to US crops, they do damage in other parts of the world but in space even mini pigs should be easy to control I don't think it would happen in a controlled space colony, on Earth there can be use of hunting dog for pests, Pointers are used by hunters, not to beat the boar in a battle however its purpose is to point, not truly hunt and retrieve a working animal or there is use 'bay dogs' to help the human track the wild pig, the Boar can kill a dog. The Boar can be as small as 30 kg and as big as 300 kg 66 lbs or 661 lbs, the Giant Forest Hog which African Lions hunt and kill is huge, most of the other big cats avoid it, the tusks of boars are significantly large.

'Training a Pointer Puppy'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFnFunkFHY

There is a theory the Pig long long ago was also re-introduced to Europe and Asia from the Americas. It an be surprising looking at digs, Archaeology the study of human activity the movements of older family of hog such as the peccary or skunk pig, the Pig or Wild Boar the Razorback and wild hog are invaders they are pigs which broke out and became feral pigs or breed with other species becoming new invader boar–pig hybrids. Some of the original pigs may have come from the Americas, gone extinct but had moved to Asia and Europe and now spread throughout the Old World, the Maya kept herds of the older species Native to the Americas the Peccaries, using them in rituals and for food. I don't think Mars would have a problem with pigs, although they are adaptable and clever they are big, the domes will be small so if they escape they should be easy to catch again or kill. However if Mars has heated tunnels, stations for Trains, a Subway system with commerce, the Metro like you see in other parts of the world and if these systems have waste and trash and gathering or 'dirty' then maybe it could have small pests living inside these pipes and tunnels and gaps between structures and walls, the ant is very difficult to remove they seem to never truly die even after a colony has been found, they survive in almost all places and are found on all continents except the South Pole, perhaps far too cold, but Antarctica had a set of warmed tunnels would the ants survive? the invader might damage equipment or harm other small mammals or fish or insects, it would be organism harmful to the human concerns,  rodents and cockroaches are often associated with unsanitary condition, Pests will cause issues with crops. The world's first science documentary featured cheese mites seen under the microscope it caused everyone to want to go out and buy a micorscope.
'To his horror, he finds it to be alive with mites, and, in disgust, leaves the table. Hundreds of mites resembling crabs are seen scurrying in all directions.'
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0828001/
Year 1903
'Survival of microorganisms during two-year exposure in outer space near the ISS'
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-49525-z
Are there free insects in the ISS?
https://space.stackexchange.com/questio … in-the-iss

dust mite are probably present, and unless they've done something pretty drastic I suspect there will also be Demodex mites on the passengers, but mites are not insects.

There is of course a purpose-built insect habitat

A Micormeter is 1 × 10^−6 of metre known as micron, one millionth of a metre, the symbol for the SI prefix  is the Greek lowercase mu,  the nanometer (nm) is equal to one-billionth of a meter, prefix "nano" literally means one-billionth

We have a number of threads discussing Nano-tech

http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9883

Mites are one of the most difficult animals to stop,  tiny, less than 1 mm  or 0.04 in the Varroa is parasite of honey bees, Australia kept them out for a time but eventually they got in, Australia has spent millions trying to remove them but with no success, the mite causes Billions of Dollars in Damage to the Australia Economy and Food Industry, with microscopes and new technology we found some mites you begin to go done as small as 500 nano meters or 1 micro meter, 3–8 μm the width of strand of spider web silk, 10 μm – size of a fog, mist, or cloud water droplet even some adult 'Mites' are as small as 100 μm or 0.004 in some of these Mite sizes are so small you can begin to compare small Mites to bigger bacterium, Mites can be carried away by the wind or piggy back and spread as they get transported by other insects, they can bring disease to humans but benefits also in composting and decomposition of decaying organic material,.

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