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#1 Re: Unmanned probes » Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX) » 2008-04-23 13:38:39

To see this much orderliness in a photo from beyond Earth gives us an adjustment range requirement that beats the video game scenes and matches science fiction movie dramatization, for sure. I can't let them go often, as the common 'organic' shapeliness which transects many of the patterns is such a challenge to discount or interpret. I am still studying the colors of this section of PSP-002170-2485. Separating the bands in IAS viewer gives similar cross-trending pattern there, which I considered as transformed dunes, but the wind seemed to be coming from the right side, I believe. Often two distinct wind directions seem to dominate many Mars areas at varied times of year/weather, or, daily.
As to structures, I wouldn't know whether to look above or below the ground surface. Many of these polygon structures are many meters to hundreds of meters deep at crater exposures and along steep slopes. We can see the exposures at that depth, and I don't know what the maximum would be in such a cold environment where the materials tend to assemble in a crystalline state. The surface was built well below the freezing point of water apparently(possibly).
This is a reworked version of that area of the color JP2. The reduced red and blue tainting should be more believable, but many would prefer a view balanced toward gray, I am sure. This area appears to show some liquid erosion, or some other breaking of the formation of the polygon and angular assembly pattern, dispensed on top of the gross surface shapes, and is tens of feet deep in effective alteration of the surface. Looks to be small dunes and rock debris in the channel. The shaded side(left) may be steeper than the right side, and it may be this is the front of a layer of flowed material from a scene beyond the right side edge  of the color large JP2. Simple downslope runoff might be possible, but the other similar flat 'washouts' in the large image look much like fractures with moderated patterns less angular than the polygon type features.
Will the landing show any of these nearby? Even a small rover would be helpful in this complex scene.
The first image was a straight IAS viewer image. This was more balanced in color and low in contrast. It has been increased 25 points in contrast, and gamma raised to 1.10, giving a better view of the 'washout' slope, and the wash textures. The image was altered in  XNView photo editor after IAS viewer, as a JPG at 100% quality setting.
[img=http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6714/cp11x66850y39000sz1to1skk6.th.jpg]

This image may be less informative than the prior, but is more believable, perhaps.
The scene in all images is showing a well organized trending of linear undulating lines(former dunes?), and polygons, some possibly older craters, all re-incorporated to the main organizing influence.
It's good to speak to you again.

#2 Re: Unmanned probes » Phoenix - North Pole Region Lander (PHX) » 2008-04-22 06:59:58

I just uploaded this small sub-image from the HiRISE PSP_2170_2485 JP2 color main image, to my image host for linking, and the dynamic range and color are designed here for emphasis on the dramatic  and not at all accurate as a view by human eyesight. The sub-image here is at the lower right corner of the main color JP2, x=66850, y=38950.
This may be far from the landing "sweet spot", and the actual terrain type found on the Heimdall ejecta blanket layer upon which the Phoenix is scheduled to land. If someone can explain this to me, and add an explanation of the estimated depth of the crater ejecta debris layer, I would appreciate the re-orientation. Apparently we will be viewing an altered ejecta blanket, which may be affected by recent and limited erosion, and frost deposition.
Was this a decision to find deeper material, rather than an attempt to study the older unaltered surface terrain?
The landing ellipse and 'red box' ,'sweet spot', locale with the ejecta layer dominating the entire spot.
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1836 … -hires.jpg
The unusual terrain coloration which here is exaggerated and contrasty to show the separation of materials, and the subtle surface features. The mass of thrown crater boulder debris is at the opposite(left) side of the color HiRISE image. At the mid-range of the color main image is a transition zone between boulders, and altered, eroded, terrain as you see here.
[img=http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7070/cp5x66850y38950sz1to1shsv8.th.jpg]
First try at a thumbnail link on this forum. Hoping this isn't too distracting.
While ejecta debris will give better current ice retention, and deeper material in part, will the source as an impact, 'sanitize' the debris, reduce the surface ice, and provide a closed door to the original unaltered material sampling?

#3 Re: Pictures of Mars » Closeup Micro Imager Pictures and Fossils - Fossils and Life on Mars in 2005 ? » 2005-02-25 12:18:32

I am not sure which link you are referencing- try my pages as some of my older photo file sharing addresses were failing. They will be re-established in the same ooriginal names eventually. Software and power stability problems. The NASA site should be very stable- if only I could slide my files on over to their machines I could take a vacation. New Micro camera images are in and they are out of focus again, with lots of odd looking shapes. Sometimes I have to question the methods of accumulation as expensive and overlooking the effects seen. I can only produce what they record. Lets hope(or write in) for more attention to detail and accuracy in all work effect.     Temporary addresses:
marsphotos.quriophotos.com/http://marsphotos.quriophotos.com/]My Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/] … hnson0/]My Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/p … 28.html]My Webpage

#4 Re: Pictures of Mars » Closeup Micro Imager Pictures and Fossils - Fossils and Life on Mars in 2005 ? » 2005-02-25 08:43:42

I have been busy running all over town, and neglected to check into the replies here, sorry this is so late a response. Yes, persons and human fears are the real stumbling block the exploration of space, and not as much the technical difficulties. We could have orbited mars and returned by now perhaps, even a sample return mission landed and launched from the surface remotely, similar to current sample return plans. I believe the short term goal of robotics is smart and safe. It can perform the basics cheaper currently.
The 'potato man' fossil in the photopage image would not enlarge much further. All those items are a few hundredths of an inch and smaller~a few ten thousndths of 1". They new before the rovers landed the items would likely be very small.
Potato man is I believe a shape which is repeated as a main core 'rod' with a dual 'leg' stringer tail, and a small lump which makes a 'head'. It may be a tiny version of the 'blueberry' and stem shape which comprises many of the Mars 'blueberries'. Recent photos also show a set of articulate 'legs' which may acually flex or move. Dual counter-helical spiraling seen only in biology on Earth as well. Some Mars spheres do not have the 'stem' displayed. Mystery there, as in much of these first photos.
I am assembling the entry page to link to a universal photo link page and then the website will show hundreds of photos which are not now not linked or accessible. In a few  days.
Please check back at two websites soon again for changes.
To me this is exciting and not fear inducing- to some the daily grind is all the 'science' that is tolerated, and safety and servility is the rule. Variability is the human problem, not technology as such. These may well have cousins on Earth now, or in pre-cambrian to cambrian times,3.5Billion-550M past.
The photos are real in content. They originate on Mars. I cannot distinguish 'living' from 'non-living' in the items as there are no organic and no motion tests involved as yet.
I use a $10.00 photo editor for these and, additional free programs; the images are all freely available at:
[  marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/   ]     Thanks for the response- more still arriving every day from the robot photographers on Mars! Mars may be as special as the Earth is!

#5 Re: Pictures of Mars » Closeup Micro Imager Pictures and Fossils - Fossils and Life on Mars in 2005 ? » 2005-02-18 01:55:04

Extraterrestrials. Are they ready for humans as judged by appearance in these images? Is Earth ready for the confrontation and is it apparent and warranted in these images?
http://my.showoffmypictures.com/mars]Mars Fossils And Life 2004-2005
http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/]Mars Closeup Micro Images and Fossils/Life
http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/p … .html]Many small items form a community on Mars ???

#6 Re: Life on Mars » Ancient fungus' revived' in lab - 180-430,000 years old! » 2005-02-18 00:45:12

Presenting an image that brings both fungi and Mars together I have what resembles a mushroom on Mars, at  the Gusev/Columbia Hills location near Peace rock a few weeks past. I have here a colored altered image of a 'sphere'(blueberry) with a classic stem extending upward into the air, topped by a mushroom appearing parasol cap. Any ideas as to why there are so few of these seen on Mars by both rovers? I have seen a pinnate type shaped fungus at the same area, in large number, but only one of these. Colors applied by photo editor to enhance the apparent focus. This is a 10x image magnification of the 1024 pixel original. Very fuzzy at that size. Image number on file #.
http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/] … ajohnson0/
A page with some details:can anyone see another in the image?http://www.geocities.com/danajohnson0/p30.html]Mars Life And Fossils 2004-2005 .........T....... :band:

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