Inside Nasa’s fears for Chinese Moon takeover as China plans for lunar base
https://www.the-sun.com/tech/5887791/na … unar-base/
Elon Musk hints at a crewed mission to Mars in 2029
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/10871678 … -mars-2029
The tweet, from Space_Hub, an account that posts about space and astronomy, read "What's your guess" and tagged Musk.
Two days after the tweet, Musk replied "2029."
Musk has long seen a visit to Mars as a goal. In 2016, he said he wanted to build a rocket capable of taking people to Mars and supporting a permanent city on the planet.
Elon Musk says we should completely rethink government on Mars to get rid of special interests and 'coercion of politicians'
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu … ws-2021-12
Elon Musk says there should be a direct democracy without representatives on Mars.
I think one a series of colony are established and there is Spaceship access and immigration, some early settlement might not be under direct government control, if you look at North America it is possible long ago some Eskimo toypes moved around the Poles and moved down into the Americas, there seem to be old Chinese coins found in California, and the Viking tools have been found in the East Coast of North America, the L'Anse aux Meadows archaeological site, after Columbus discovered America during the age of exploration there was a new arrival of fisher men from Normandy French, Basque also a separate culture within Spanish country, none of these were nation states as we know today, the settler might be even a Corporate Cyborg AI machine Robot and not an actual person as we know it.
]]>What do you think about it? I would like a free planet, no Earth-based government authority and self-governing principles. At face value this seems to align with my philosophy.
From a legal and sceptical perspective these terms tell a totally different story. Earth-based governments never had sovereignty or authority in space but as long as you're on a US spacecraft US laws apply. A dispute over anything subject to US law can be brought to court, regardless if or when Mars will be settled.
Only when in space but outside a US spaceship US law isn't applicable. In this case a contract stating "Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement" has no value at all because it can't be enforced. And besides, you should settle when your opponent is the only one able to transport you to/from this desolate place.
Suggesting 'customers' (independent envoys of mankind) of Starship (or other colonization spacecraft) can establish a self-governing (sovereign) party simply is a provocation. I think this is a publicity stunt and they hope to expose flaws in the system as a benefit.
Terms: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comme … f_service/
Decent article where I found the link to Reddit: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spac … ree-planet
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/spac … 00814.html
The article at the link above is written by someone who is skeptical of Elon's assertions.
I'm unsure of what to think I ** do ** recall seeing numerous opinions offered in the NewMars archive.
This latest stirring-of-the-pot ** should ** incite a post or two.
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Here is a related opinion ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/let-outer-sp … 44863.html
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]]>Seriously, read my thread: Corporate Government. This is a practical way to get settlement started, and it means no tax. If you want to build something in the pressurized building of a city, there will be a fee. This fee will effectively pay what municipal property tax pays today. This isn't way to tax without calling it tax, a shopping mall charges a fee to build a store within a unit of their building. The shopping mall provides walls, floor, roof, protection from rain and wind, heat in winter. The shopping mall provides corridors, security, garbage disposal, parking. In some cases shopping malls build a private road, or transit bus terminal. That certainly isn't free, there's a fee for a store in a mall. I envision a city on Mars will not be a dome, but large multi-story buildings like a shopping mall. I have posted pictures of malls elsewhere on this forum as examples. Again, charging equivalent to that on Mars is not unreasonable. But there won't be any tax.
I also posted a thread about history of St John's Newfoundland. It was not founded by any government colony, it was built by businessmen. For centuries there was no government at all. Christopher Columbus sailed the Ocean blue in 1492. After he returned with riches, John Cabot sailed from England in 1495, had a major labour dispute with crew, had to return home. In 1496 he sailed again, taking the northern route past Iceland. He discovered Newfoundland. Discovered a natural bay that formed an excellent harbour for ships to weather a storm; discovered on a day of the Catholic calendar called St John the Baptist Day, so he called the bay St John's Bay. He also discovered the Grand Banks, the richest fishery in the world. When he returned to England with this news, fishermen of southwest England did not have to be told twice, they headed straight to the Grand Banks. They built a fishing camp on the shore of that Bay. The returned the next year, and built a house for a caretaker to watch of the camp during winter. That house built in 1497 was the first European house built in North American since the Vikings. That camp grew to a town, which grew to a city. The city of St John's is now the capital of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. They celebrated their 500th anniversary in 1997. Letters record a street built in that town: one letter says there was no street, a later letter describes the street in detail. The street was obviously built between the dates of those two letters. That street is still there: Water Street.
The town and street were all built before Plymouth Rock, before Roanoke, before Jamestown. Many decades before the first government colony.
If you want a settlement on Mars that will actually survive, it has to be built by business, not government.
But most of your post was about lawsuits. The United States is known for being excessively litigious. Why do you think lawsuits solve anything?
]]>For space law there are a number of treaties which have been signed into international law and from what I would think that the Captain of the ship or highest ranking would be in command of a crew when on Mars or enroute in either direction. Civilian or military the command structure is understood for that reason as to whom is in charge of direct and indirect actions of all and for there safety.
The real question will be in the enforcement wen the cre are the ones that will carry out the orders of the command or captain of the crew. Then will there be the means to jail or control the situation as in hand cuffs or other restaints.
Next up will be the communications of the crime push any other actions tat must bedone for the individual and a transision of schedules that will be effected to be curtailed or changed for the remaining part of the mission.
]]>Another Question to the group. Earth Politics aside.
Lets says Lukrum(I really don't know where I got this name ) starts a outpost on Mars to create basic infrastructure for Mars colonization. Accidents tend to happen, but here on earth you have "law and order", if an accident happens the family has a lawsuit with the company and if an agreement is made an amount is payed and the company does some changes to minimize the risk of the accident happening again, mostly because the insurance company makes it obligatory.
But on Mars legally you are in international waters ... What happens when an accident happens there, what does the law say? What court applies? Is it even possible to do a lawsuit? Most people going to Mars will be single(the permanent colonists), so will anybody care to do a lawsuit? How Do we prevent this?
This is why I do think a government entity/body can protect Earth immigrant/Martian workers and would discourage cowboy company's to take risks on Mars. For a lot of company's(except SpaceX) the only figure that matters is the bottom line. An Employee is just a number.
I know it will be difficult to create, but I know there is a lot to benefit from this, and yes taxes will need to be implemented and nobody like takes, but also nobody like the wild west where there is no law and almost no order.
Kind regards
Ben
]]>On the other hand many farm "robots" are most definitely pre-programmed.
In my mind, automation and robotics are separate. Robotics implies a degree of autonomy and flexibility of response which is not required for a preprogrammed automated machine. The latter just stop and set an alarm then wait for a human to sort out an abnormal situation. A real robot would sort it out itself.
In it I have posted nearly all the topics we have here on the site farming, gardens, greenhouses and more.
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Wherever you look people are being replaced with robots...
https://www.wsj.com/video/food-delivery … 52FC5.html
There are fully automated burger-making robots as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbL_3le40qc
I am not sure you were right about the farm-garden robot not being able to deal with plants at different heights. Think it's on ratchet poles so presumably the height varies as the plant grows.