Good point Bill. I like the tag too
I don't believe the question is weither Bush set the right goal for NASA, but weither goal setting is enough. Kennedy did more than make an election year speech, he backed up his words with record increases in NASA spending to ge the job done. As far as I know, Bush has said nothing more since his January speech.
I'm also severly disappointed that Boe/Lock seem destined to build the CEV. I guess white elephants breed.
As for the Bush Administration's overall science policy, I think the Emporer of Star Wars fame said it best, 'your failure is now complete.....'
No, it was actually Congress that backed Kennedy up. John F. Kennedy didn't appropriate a single US dollar for the Apollo program, he only signed the spending bills once they were approved by Congress.
]]>It seems Bush has set a very specific goal concerning the moon, and a very vague one concerning Mars. While this is definitely a step forward for space exploration, I can't help wonder how the huge media interest in a manned Mars mission didn't get across to the president.
First off, your nation isn't spacefaring unless you wanna count hitching a ride with the USA or Russia. We don't need another person here going off like gaeto bad-mouthing the capabilities of those that do.
Second, the BBC I watch because it has a few nice comedy programs. Did it occur to you alot of shows like the ones you refer to...are fiction? Most of the time even shows on the Discovery channel are cobbled together using whatever's popular at the time but not nessicarily happening. I remember Beyond 2000 before it went off the air running programs about ESA's now-canceled Hermes program.
Why did the President fail to hear the call of Mars? We've been to the moon. Lets move on.
And to the Russians: Adopt Mars Direct, Revive the Energia, and show those fat yanks how to conduct real science!
Mars is not an easy goal - you're talking about going from traveling in terms of thousands of kilometers to terms of traveling tens of millions of kilometers! If a crew of astronauts gets irradiated by the Sun due to a solar flare or some last-minute-underestimated-flaw that would kill an international program outright or cripple a national one like the shuttle program after Challenger and Columbia.
One thing that ought to be determined before a ship is sent to Mars, at least, is whether the soil is not merely iron-bearing or water-rich...but poisinous. The lunar soil we know can cause lung damage if you breathe it in, and the fact we know something about it is a step further than Martian exploration.
Don't hold your breath for the Russians, they're good but not that good. Energia is their dead elephant just as the ISS is NASA/ESA's.
Regarding the moon program NASA is doing...consider this phrase: don't shoot a gift horse in the mouth. We could still be circling the Earth aimlessly yet if enthusiasts and professionals alike derail what might be the first step to getting us out of Low Earth Orbit.
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http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080206/ … 1612a.html
And that has U.S. policy-makers worried.
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Maher: Bush Guilty of “Treason” for Putting “Oil Profits” Before Global Warming Proof
Posted by Brent Baker on March 25, 2006 - 05:58.
http://newsbusters.org/node/4616
Bill Maher ended his HBO show Friday night, Real Time with Bill Maher, with a tirade about supposed efforts by the Bush administration to suppress information about global warming.These are the same folks who pridected--in the 1970's--how the sky would be black as the ace of spades--and how we would run out of oil by the year 2000 and be in a new ice age. Same old fear mongering.
]]>https://newmars.com/forums/profile.php?id=1058 2006-03-29T21:34:56Z https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=88066#p88066 George Deutsch was forced to resign, he's gone now]]> https://newmars.com/forums/profile.php?id=1321 2006-03-27T18:30:11Z https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=87980#p87980 Space Scientists Whining About Bush, NASA
http://www.bloggernews.net/2006/03/spac … -bush.html
Apparently some space scientists upset about the President's vision for launching humanity off this rock and onto it's lunar neighbor. With NASA focusing on putting humanity back on the moon permanently, scientists are complaining that their toes have already been stepped on--in other words, their projects cut.Earlier, I’d spoken to planetary scientist Jonathan Lunine of the University of Arizona, Tucson, who told me: “As far as NASA goes we have no strategy for the outer Solar System any more – it’s in a complete shambles.” He worries that the astrobiology program, which has seen some of the most significant cuts, will really suffer.
http://blogs.nature.com/news/blog/2006/ … tless.html
This comes up again in the meeting, with Cleave countering that astrobiology was not being killed, “just slowed down.” An audience member disagrees, saying that it is the biggest threat to their science in a generation. Emily Lakdawalla of the Planetary Society stood up to announce that they were launching a 'Save Our Science' campaign.Maher: Bush Guilty of “Treason” for Putting “Oil Profits” Before Global Warming Proof
Posted by Brent Baker on March 25, 2006 - 05:58.
http://newsbusters.org/node/4616
Bill Maher ended his HBO show Friday night, Real Time with Bill Maher, with a tirade about supposed efforts by the Bush administration to suppress information about global warming. Picking up on the allegations of NASA's James Hansen who was featured on last Sunday's 60 Minutes, Maher charged that “cowboy” Bush “and his corporate goons at the White House tried to censor Mr. Hansen from delivering” the message that carbon dioxide emissions must be reduced within ten years or a disastrous “tipping point” will be reached.GW approval animation
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http://www.radicalruss.net/blog/images/bushmap-new.gifhttps://newmars.com/forums/profile.php?id=745 2006-03-27T18:14:31Z https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=87979#p87979 Space Exploration and a Tale of Two Presidents Bush or so it would seem.
I think he has been trying to finish up what daddy had started more than anything with regards to putting Nasa on the right path. Of couse the article includes that magical word Trillion for estimate but we all know thats false.Do you think he'll mention 'the Vision' in his speech again ?
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Enyo, We won't be back to the moon before Bush is out of the White House.. The presidency is limited to two terms. Also, thats under the impression that he gets re-elected. Being that this is the first thing Bush has done That I like, I am not voting for him.
More of the same, only different.
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That was the mixed message offered by Republicans who want to succeed President Bush, as they gathered over a three-day weekend here for the first White House audition of the 2008 campaign.
NASA cuts in research budget bring regrets, concerns
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit … 196694.htm
HOUSTON - This Wednesday evening, if all goes according to plan, an American astronaut and a Russian cosmonaut will blast off aboard a Russian rocket headed for the International Space Station, the latest crew in an uninterrupted procession that has kept humans aboard the station for more than five years.
The cover story of this week's TIME magazine is on global warming. The title: "Be Worried. Be Very Worried." I agree with Chris that this is a huge deal, and further evidence that the issue of global warming is nearing a tipping point in public consciousness. The Battle of the Skeptics is over.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/3/26/14338/8641/
They lost. Now talk will turn in earnest to what we can do about it.
Scientists object to Bush's moon-Mars missions
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn … 001410.htm
WASHINGTON - Scientists who study the sun, moon, planets and stars on Thursday protested the Bush administration's plan to send humans back to the moon and on to Mars.
They say the president's two-year-old Vision for Space Exploration program is gobbling up billions of dollars that they think could be better used for less expensive projects, including new telescopes and unmanned robots such as the twin rovers on Mars.
Blind in space
Budget cuts threatening satellites that forecast hurricanes, study global warming
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This is dangerous
http://www.flatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a … 04/opinion
Jeb Bush 2008 ?
http://www.slate.com/id/2138031/
As a politician's politician, George W. Bush must have smiled to hear what Republicans who dream of succeeding him had to say in Memphis this weekend. Like any second-term president, he wants the wannabes to run for his third term. Yet Bush understands better than anyone how hard winning a third term can be.
Republicans start search for George Bush's replacement
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 13 March 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame … 350913.ece
The next US presidential election is still more than two and a half years away. But that didn't stop Republicans scared stiff by George Bush's wretched second-term performance from holding a beauty contest to look for his successor this weekend.
I generally try to stay away from getting too political most of the time. Obviously I was not talking to you or trying to convince you of who Dick Cheney is. But, GCNRevenger likes challenge me so I responded with a proof if he wanted to check it out.
But, have a good day!
Larry,
]]>I don't believe the question is weither Bush set the right goal for NASA, but weither goal setting is enough. Kennedy did more than make an election year speech, he backed up his words with record increases in NASA spending to ge the job done. As far as I know, Bush has said nothing more since his January speech.
I'm also severly disappointed that Boe/Lock seem destined to build the CEV. I guess white elephants breed.
As for the Bush Administration's overall science policy, I think the Emporer of Star Wars fame said it best, 'your failure is now complete.....'
]]>The Moon Treaty and Space Treaty only apply to member states not individuals or corporates outside their country borders.
The basis rule would be to stay out of political issues and earth based government matters, unless they directly impact on the corporates assets and infrastructure or revenue stream/s like any other person or corporate do.
At the end of the day, and long the way to the completion of the infrastructure and space development many issues can arises from small legal issues, to security issues, to other technological and resource issues, all issues have solutions, it depends on the resolution and complications.
I think a Church could build the first settlement on Mars and avoid many of the political issues related to the Outer Space Treaty, the Moon Treaty and controversies over the recognition of private property rights.
]]>"Every War that the United States got into during the 20th Century was a Corporation war to defend and promote Corporation and/or Private Interest. "
Nonsense, complete unmarried-from-reality hallucenation nonsense. Loved the bit about Facism actually being because of companies too... MR, how about you just provide links to LaRouche glossies instead of filling page on page of the board with this fiction?
The idea that the government suddenly "makes" $1,000Bn USD in credit would be economic suicide today, and this concept that if the government spends a little money and produces a return, then if it spends big money it will produce a proportionally larger return is a pipe dream too. Perhaps reading a basic macroeconomics textbook would be worth your time.
OK, you ask for more information as to Dick Cheney and some of the other Neo-Cons being fascist, here my source. When I call Dick Cheney a fascist, that exactly what I mean, he a fascist.
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/other/2 … 409cos.htm
http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/pamphlet … 01cos2.pdf
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/other/2 … 14cos3.htm
Larry,
Look man there's no need to tell me stuff about Cheney, he is a slime ball. If you are posting to people who don't think much of him or people like me then you are already preaching to the converted. Mister VP Aparthied ( Cheney ) hasn't been doing much good in the minds of the minorities in the US, his friends and links with the uptown klan, and his ideas for the banning of a the M.L.King holiday are issues which are very disturbing for some.
However if you want to continue on Cheney I think you should go to the Political Potpourri just so the boards don't go crazy, because when you look into Dicks history ( Mister Apartheid ) you find a lot of strange stuff, which American newpapers have wrote on and I'm not just talking Haliburton fraud and corruptions.
Back to the Mars goal,
yes I think NASA needed a push it was in need of new direction however was it the right goal ? There are many leading scientists and there are astronauts that have spoken against this kind of Mars mission. The Economics for such a mission isn't to good now, and ever since his vision was announced there has been a deafening silence. The high cash needed to fix medi-care problems , the recent cut backs on NASA and focusing on issues like blocking Stem cells, and stopping the liberty of gay people have many wondering how will the US move forward with so many Conservative Goals. I think it is very important that the USA returns to manned space flights, and it needs to get NASA to improve its safety record. Failures like the Mars polar lander, the Genesis crash and others highlight the need for better management and the need for people to take responsibility, nobody here needs to be reminded of Colombia. George Bush senior wanted to go to mars and the whole thing just got dumped, because of lack of technology, the costs and the risks to human life. Now NASA is even further back than before.
NASA has done wonderful things in the past, the manned mission to space, building space stations, the Viking missions, putting people on the Moon, the Voyager missions. When it done these things it didn't just make America proud, mankind was happy at waht could be achieved by a wonderful space agency. However thinsg aren't so hot now, and there are still safety questions to be answered so let's hope NASA can move forward again.
"Every War that the United States got into during the 20th Century was a Corporation war to defend and promote Corporation and/or Private Interest. "
Nonsense, complete unmarried-from-reality hallucenation nonsense. Loved the bit about Facism actually being because of companies too... MR, how about you just provide links to LaRouche glossies instead of filling page on page of the board with this fiction?
The idea that the government suddenly "makes" $1,000Bn USD in credit would be economic suicide today, and this concept that if the government spends a little money and produces a return, then if it spends big money it will produce a proportionally larger return is a pipe dream too. Perhaps reading a basic macroeconomics textbook would be worth your time.
OK, you ask for more information as to Dick Cheney and some of the other Neo-Cons being fascist, here my source. When I call Dick Cheney a fascist, that exactly what I mean, he a fascist.
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/other/2 … 409cos.htm
http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/pamphlet … 01cos2.pdf
http://larouchein2004.net/pages/other/2 … 14cos3.htm
Larry,
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