South of the Border Politics

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-08-26 04:29:51

$135M in cocaine and meth shipped from Canada to Australia in a Bentley

https://nationalpost.com/news/luxury-ri … ge-bentley

America’s border crisis reaches New York, by bus

https://www.economist.com/united-states … ork-by-bus

‘If We Can Do It, They Can Too,’ Border Mayor Says of DC, NYC Absorbing Illegal Aliens

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/23/ … al-aliens/

Biden ‘catch-and-release’ policies fomenting illegal immigration, former DHS boss says

https://www.borderreport.com/immigratio … boss-says/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-02 06:58:37

Migrant crisis stretching resources thin in Mexican border cities
https://www.borderreport.com/immigratio … er-cities/

Border Patrol apprehends group of 100 migrants in California, most from 12 countries other than Mexico
https://www.foxnews.com/us/border-patro … ies-mexico

Mexican mayor's daughter busted with $248,000 wrapped around her waist and two guns at Texas border
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … order.html

A place like Chicago can get worse?

Chicago is such a mess now that by adding more Mexico, Iraq, Venezuela, Belize, South Africa, Bangladesh, Jamaica, Belarus, Colombia, Uganda, Syria, El Salvador, Guatemala, Iran, Honduras illegal immigration to the place might even greatly improve the city

Texas bus of migrants has arrived in Chicago.

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/statu … 2887115776

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SpaceNut · 2022-09-02 13:30:31

I am wonder if the underground railroad is still running since there are so many that have made it from the border to chicago

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-02 14:44:54

'Smugglers Attempt to Use Airplane to Smuggle Migrants'

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/0 … -migrants/

SpaceNut · 2022-09-02 16:04:25

That was strange as the illegals were already on Texas soil and apprehended as they boarded a plane. Thats about as bad as bussing them to NY or other places....

Not everyone is happy with the stacked empty shipping containers.
The Cocopah Indian Tribe said Friday that the state of Arizona acted against its wishes by stacking shipping containers on its land to prevent illegal border crossings.

the containers block half of a two-lane road, closing a “vital evacuation route.”
“The integrity of the road itself has subsequently been damaged by the heavy machinery that was used in placing the shipping containers" and created the danger for first responders to get stuck,

Landowners do have rights...

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-06 09:33:25

Failed State?

Does the Mexican Navy report directly to the pedophile drug running human trafficker gang cartels?

https://aztecreports.com/missing-studen … navy/3082/

Six of the 43 Mexican college students who went missing in 2014 were given to the army before they were ordered killed, official says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-st … cial-says/

In Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, between February and May 2018, 27 civilians were abducted by Mexican Navy forces, 12 out of those 27 were found dead.

Investigations into these abductions seem to be stalled since just 18 of the 30 marines arrested for their involvement in the killing and disappearance of civilians in 2018 remain in prison. Moreover, only three of the 34 cases opened by the Attorney General’s Office have been prosecuted.

Or they didn't pay a $500 bribe to be released and were shot dead?

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-16 03:30:30

Criminals Arresting Crminals?

Narco human trafficker state Mexico arrests general over disappearance of 43 students

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 … 3-students

but when will the arrest the pedo criminal drug smugglers and al cartel psychos who did the killing?

SpaceNut · 2022-09-18 12:11:45

That is funny as that's only happening on the other side of the fence as [url=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-gov-abbott-sends-50-migrants-to-vp-harris-home/ar-AA11Xd1o?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=745c301668ef4f4ab6a41b4f13ce8626]
Fifty more migrants arrived outside Vice President Kamala Harris's residence in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, days after two buses carrying asylum seekers arrived at her Naval Observatory home[/url]

Maybe a trade of the finest of the homeless should be sent in return.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis put his own spin on a popular tactic of Republican presidential hopefuls this week when he sent flights of migrants to Massachusetts.

Texas like all of the other border crossing states are sent tons of funding to deal with this along with the federal money to play guard along the border.

Let the conspiracies start as A former U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official who worked for the Trump administration believes the former president orchestrated an even more deviant plot that expands further than shipping immigrants to Democratic-led states.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-09-26 08:53:19

U.S. judge sentences Mexican cartel boss to life in prison
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-sentence … 32549.html

Interconnected Border and Fentanyl Crises Cost Arizona $53 Billion in 2021, Study Finds
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/int … udy-finds/

Female 'human trafficker' smuggled HUNDREDS of migrants across US border for $15,000 each over six months
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … onths.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-10-04 06:59:00

Mexico is losing the fight against drug violence
https://www.ncnewsonline.com/opinion/ed … 6f295.html

The White House is discussing a push around immigration — after the midterms
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- … -rcna49905

With drug cartel violence, is it safe to travel to Mexico? Security experts weigh in
https://www.yahoo.com/video/drug-cartel … 26417.html

tahanson43206 · 2022-10-04 10:05:23

For Mars_B4_Moon re #560

Your post included a link with a hint about Mexico ... I'm planning to follow the link when I move to a newer system.

However, in the mean time, I decided to ask Google what the population of Mexico might be (as nearly as can be estimated) ...

According to a quote from the World Bank, the estimated population of Mexico is 128-129 million people.

I then asked Google a question it could not (and did NOT) answer ... how many folks in Mexico are involved in Crime?

It seems to me that the moral code of each individual in a nation adds up to the overall tone of that nation.

(th)

clark · 2022-10-07 00:31:37

Well, at least we can all appreciate the blatant racism and bigotry inherent in the posts from tahanson43206. I mean, if a question to google is met with silence about the number of people in Mexico involved in crime is met with silence, we clearly can deduce that people from Mexico are criminals.

Mexico has problems. Your infantile broad stroke approach to simplifying the complexity of that problem by implying that the Mexican nation, in proportion, is more inclined to criminal behavior is disgusting.

A god damn moderator made that post. What the fk is wrong with all of you?

tahanson43206 · 2022-10-07 07:17:10

For all ... I could happily have enjoyed the rest of my life without becoming a target for one of clark's posts.

However, there is a risk that goes with being a member of this forum, and I shall attempt to bear this misfortune with as much grace as I can muster.

For Clark ... having read many of your posts from 2002 and on, I know there was a time when you were able to write passable poetry. However, with the passage of time, the quality of you posts has deteriorated, and your recent "gift" to me is a good example of how far changes have progressed.

Best wishes for the years ahead.

(th)

Calliban · 2022-10-07 07:27:39

Peter Zeihan on Mexico.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yilSJg5CMd4

The economy is already relatively skilled as a middle income manufacturing nation. As US manufacturing supply lines are divesting away from East Asia, it is receiving a lot of new investment from the US. Two problems have thus far held back Mexico's development into high income country:

(1) Geography. The northern half of Mexico is dry and mountainous. This makes it difficult to build the sort of rail based transportation links that it needs as a middle income manufacturer. Its regions are only weakly connected to each other. Mexico does not have large rivers or trans-continental rail networks, which the US has and which allow very cheap inland transportation.

(2) Organised crime. Whether Clark wants to believe it or not, this has always been a problem that has held back Mexican economic development. It increases risk in investment and erodes productivity. Central government has always struggled to combat this problem, because the cartels are often better equipped than the army. No amount of denial or virtue signalling will change the fact that crime is rife in Latin America.

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kbd512 · 2022-10-07 13:43:10

clark,

This was my interpretation of the question:
What level of criminality are Mexicans, as a society, willing to tolerate? How much and to what degree?

I don't know what the answer is and don't really care, so long as any criminals within their society remain in Mexico and are imprisoned by their government for whatever crimes they've committed. When their criminals come across our border and run amok in the state I live in, largely due to the border policy of the Biden Administration, then I care. If their government can't or won't help control the flow of Mexican criminals into America, or similarly if America won't control the flow of American criminals into Mexico, then I care. If the people in America or Mexico are in some way complicit, through acceptance or apathy or enabling (voting for people who turn a blind eye to criminality), then I care. I would think that other countries would or should care about support for criminality coming from America's government, and wouldn't view it as underhanded "bigotry against Americans". When the same question is asked of America, which I think is every bit as fair as asking that question of any other country, my mind doesn't instantly jump to racism and bigotry.

SpaceNut · 2022-10-08 09:28:28

Something that should be in consideration is that processing or these illegals need to account for where they will be placed until they get their day in court. The more recent transport to other locals has led to some states such as New York declares state of emergency to respond to immigration crisis collapsing its asylum system

The local representative estimated that more than 17,000 asylum seekers have been transported to New York from the southern border since April of this year.

So did those other states also have declaration of emergencies and if so, what does that do to get funding and other such aspects needed?

Next is why other states are not also getting them as well and how many?

The rulings for DACA has also caused some more issues for those that have been documented dreamers: Americans who are only American until they turn 21 considered a dependent on his parents’ work visa. But after 21st birthday, are no longer qualified.

Calliban · 2022-10-08 11:44:41

You do not know who these people are or what their business is until they are processed. They could be drug runners or murderers fleeing Mexican authorities so far as you know. And they entered your country illegaly, without a visa. With these facts in mind, why are they not held in prison camps until they are processed?

kbd512 · 2022-10-08 12:39:26

Calliban,

That's a great question, but it's also a question that no Democrat is willing to answer.

I don't automatically assume that a person illegally crossing our borders has good intentions and is not a criminal.

The equivalent is someone breaks into my house at 3AM through the back door, so I should just automatically assume that they really needed to come over for a cup of coffee and a fireside chat.

I know that sounds dumb to even say out loud, but that's what you have to believe in order to be a Democrat.

As a Republican, I (quite reasonably) assume that someone who does something like that is not doing it with good intentions and is most likely coming into my home to kill us or steal something.

All these Democrats in supposedly "sanctuary cities" said the quiet part out loud when they called up the National Guard because we dropped off a literal handful of people for them to take care of.

Our Governor and Florida's Governor sent, maybe 100 people, to Washington DC or to Martha's Vineyard and the liberal regressives living there had conniption fits, demanded that the National Guard be called up to deal with their "immigration problem", and generally showed the entire world how bigoted and backwards they truly are. We gave them a "taste test" of their own policies using thimbles to sample the product, and they spit it right back out. That's what they're selling to themselves, not us, obviously, because we know it's a major problem.

Here in Texas, Governor Abbott is like, "Hey, Joe, we both agree that we want LEGAL immigrants, but I can't pull 1 million new jobs and homes out of my rear end every few months, simply because you decided anyone is welcome to show up anywhere, at any time."

President Trump's policies were working, plain and simple.

The reason our demographics are not in the toilet is immigration. We want legal immigrants, but we don't want a bum rush of our border by an assortment of people who are either drug cartel criminals and terrorists or migrant workers who are literally starving to death before they even get here. That is madness. Basically, we don't have a magic wand to go provide and create, every time some evil clown Democrat thinks their BS ideas pass muster as public policy because all or most of the people voting for it are both too ignorant or too ideologically mentally disabled to understand that their nonsense doesn't amount to good governance.

I'm married to a legal first generation American immigrant. I don't have a problem with them. I have a big problem with illegals because they come with insanely violent criminals in tow and, as previously stated, there's no safe place (somewhere where they won't instantly be cartel victims) to put all of them when 10 to 50 thousand of them suddenly show up in the middle of BFE. That should be easy for anyone to understand, but some people are a little slower than others.

SpaceNut · 2022-10-08 15:05:15

Well, I went to see how long it takes to process an illegal border crossing and was quite surprised how slow it is. The backlogged asylum litigation — which remains close to 1 million cases, each one taking an average of nearly five years to resolve (when the illegal border crosser actually bothers to show up for court) — isn’t “a small slice of the problem.” Biden administration is attempting to process asylum seekers “faster” by giving the power to determine the validity of their claims to a number of officers who can make a decision quicker than it takes for the case to reach an immigration judge in court. Migrants will be interviewed 21 to 45 days after they apply for asylum, far faster than the years it can take in the existing immigration court system.

Enforcing the law with criminal prosecution is intended to discourage illegal entry and prevent injury and death to those attempting to cross the border illegally. Illegally crossing the first-time results in prosecution for a misdemeanor charge, while multiple crossings are a felony. Additional penalties include a five-year ban from the United States with subsequent illegal entries increasing that ban to 20 years and then a lifetime ban. So, coming to the country illegally for economic improvement, is not a valid asylum claim. Then again more than half will not bother actually filing the asylum application, and of those who do, half will skip out on the court hearings, and of those who do complete the process, only 10% are found eligible for asylum.

That said what should the poenalty be? Jumping the border in Singapore is punishable by six months in prison — and not less than three strokes with a cane. In Russia, it can earn you up to two years in a prison labor camp. Pakistan goes as high as 10 years in prison, while India allows for up to eight years behind bars for those who sneak across its boundaries. Those are a far cry from the U.S., where illegal entry is a misdemeanor, with a maximum of six months in jail.

Then what should be done with them afterwards?

More garbage False claim that undocumented immigrants get Social Security numbers at the border

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-10-10 12:42:08

Drug gang kills 20 in town hall massacre in southern Mexico

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/drug … ern-mexico

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-10-16 08:58:18

Mexico warns Venezuelan migrants not to form caravans

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ … 022-10-15/

SpaceNut · 2022-10-16 11:22:14

Based on the conditions that remain in Mexico creates but its true for all nations that are seeing increase border jumping.
Mexico's National Migration Institute (INM) has reported the discovery of 223 irregular migrants crammed into a home in the La Gran Tenochtitlan neighborhood in the city of Puebla.

Willing to give up comfort for a roof over there heads.

Among the migrants are 108 from Guatemala, 33 from El Salvador, 32 from Nicaragua, 21 from Honduras, 15 from Cuba, 13 from Ecuador and one from the Dominican Republic. In total there are 136 men, 41 women and 46 minors

Policies from Trump are still being used by Biden at this point. We need to start seeing improvements in this system that is flawed.

SpaceNut · 2022-10-21 17:15:44

The latest war on the border fence or in this case Conex boxes double stacked.
Arizona sues U.S. over shipping containers filling gaps along border with Mexico

The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation last week sent a letter telling Arizona to take down the containers, saying they are unauthorized and violate U.S. law. Arizona refused.
The Cocopah Indian Tribe in southwestern Arizona also complained that some of the containers were placed on its reservation without permission.

This is odd as Mexico's National Migration Institute (INM) has identified 312 migrants traveling irregularly on two buses in the western state of Sonora, which borders Arizona (United States), 309 of whom were from Guatemala, while the remaining three are from Honduras.

The top official tasked with overseeing US border security says he has been asked to resign or be fired

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SpaceNut · 2022-11-19 21:54:08

Now Texas Governor Abbott sends TANKS to the border after invoking invasion clause

The illegals from an actual war zone are called refugee's and since these are civilians fleeing, they cannot be fired on so what good will this do?

These actions are part of a larger strategy to use every available tool to fight back against the record-breaking level of illegal immigration,' said a statement from the Texas Military Department.
In addition to the armored personnel carriers, the department announced increased 'aircraft flights and security efforts' as the state takes 'unprecedented measures to safeguard our border.'
He also wants to 'build a wall in multiple counties on the border,' 'deploy gun boats to secure the border,' and designate Mexican-based drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations - something that only the federal government can do.

Unless state laws can take land that is a federal border from the people that own it there is not going to be much change and then again will the state support the higher taxes to pay for it to be built.

SpaceNut · 2022-12-27 18:31:03

With the pandemic came the renewal of title 42 use to slow and keep immigration in check and with the latest ruling by Supreme Court keeps immigration limits in place indefinitely

In a ruling Tuesday, the Supreme Court extended a temporary stay that Chief Justice John Roberts issued last week. Under the court’s order, the case will be argued in February and the stay will be maintained until the justices decide the case.
The limits, often referred to as Title 42 in reference to a 1944 public health law, were put in place under then-President Donald Trump at the beginning of the pandemic. Under the restrictions, officials have expelled asylum-seekers inside the United States 2.5 million times and turned away most people who requested asylum at the border on grounds of preventing the spread of COVID-19.

The trouble with immigration is that many only want the good life and nothing else in the effort to become American, not its language, customs ect and that is the main issue.

So, if i were to do something to keep them on the Mexican side why not create an economic zone the total length of the border to move these people into providers and not looking for that free handout. This zone is mixed residential and business for the intent to create citizens.

They currently live no better than an American homeless and that is where we need to start to build.
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Of course, providing is not a free for life as you want them to move on but this could be a start.

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Not all require the same set of resources to get back one your feet and effort to do so should be taken into account.

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