Why do we have Poverty in America

SpaceNut · 2020-04-06 14:36:03

Housing market shows first signs of trouble from pandemic its been a market in need of correction for a long time with its high price homes that are driving up the real estate of an older home for taxation that is not worth the new home price.
With the number of foreclosed homes and such for the homeless its time that prices come down to get them filled with people.

Key food prices are surging after virus upends supply chains as the prices rise so does the health concerns of starvation and poor diets of which the corona virus has already indicated that we are not very healthy.

I was food insecure for years. Affluent people finally understand a little of what it’s like.

Money can not buy what is not on the store shelf and if you got money you are doing no better than the guy that does not...

SpaceNut · 2020-04-06 15:33:14

Falling through the cracks: Many Americans won't get coronavirus checks includes most college kids, immigrants without Social Security numbers and some disabled adults.

Not getting a check or help:
college students that are claimed by their parents as dependents.
not disabled adults who are claimed as dependents by their parents or other relatives on their taxes.
Senior citizens who are on Social Security or make less than the income cap are eligible but not as a "dependent"

Immigrants without Social Security numbers
You don't have to be a U.S. citizen to get a payment. But you do need a valid Social Security number.
That means immigrants with green cards and those on H-1B and H-2A visas will get payments. Nonresident aliens, temporary workers and immigrants in the U.S. illegally won't.

If you hold a visa or not if you are not a citizen why should you get any help?

The list goes on for some they should be getting help somewhere....

A 5-step plan to help a family survive on a reduced income
1. Decrease personal spending
2. Decrease funding our emergency savings
3. Decrease what we contribute to our 529s
4. Create a backup plan
5. Keep track of deductions

SpaceNut · 2020-04-07 20:00:33

'Tiny Free Pantry' fuels kindness, feeds neighbors in southwest Houston

Where to Find Food Assistance During COVID-19

SpaceNut · 2020-04-08 18:32:16

SNAP restrictions are major barriers to the health and well-being of families when it is meant to help people get access to food, a fundamental human right and basic human need, Amazon, Walmart and the low-income grocery-shopping divide exposed by the coronavirus

As more Americans are forced to stay at home and practice social distancing, the income and internet divide is becoming clear in new ways for those who rely on food-assistance programs. And their ranks are likely to skyrocket due to the sharp rise in unemployment during this coronavirus-led economic downturn.
Recipients of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, as well as advocates for low-income Americans, are questioning why most states still lack a critical internet-based service for food delivery when the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees the SNAP program, has piloted an online program for years.

3 deaths expose fears for strength of US food-supply chain

At least three people who worked at plants owned by top U.S. meat packer Tyson Foods Inc. and a local unit of Brazil’s JBS SA were reported to have died from the pandemic. Companies including Cargill Inc., Sanderson Farms Inc. and Perdue Farms Inc. have also reported infections.
Meat companies have been upping safety procedures to keep the virus from spreading among its ranks. Tyson said it has been taking employee temperatures before they enter facilities, stepped up deep cleaning at its plants, implemented social distancing measures and given workers access to protective face coverings.
Cargill said Tuesday it was idling a beef plant in Pennsylvania after employees tested positive for Covid-19. The announcement came a day after Tyson said it had halted pork processing at a plant in Iowa after more than two dozen workers tested positive. JBS suspended operations until April 16 at a beef plant in Pennsylvania after several managers showed symptoms.

SpaceNut · 2020-05-13 19:09:35

This couple is delivering backpacks with pandemic supplies to N.Y.C.'s homeless

SpaceNut · 2020-05-17 16:56:48

Aerial footage shows San Francisco's first camp site for the homeless with space for 50 socially-distanced tents as number sleeping on sidewalks rockets amid coronavirus

San Francisco has opened its first sanctioned camp site that can house 50 homeless residents this week as locals complain of makeshift tents clogging sidewalks. After years of struggling to support the homeless community in San Francisco, city officials have erected a 'Safe Sleeping Village' in an idle McDonald's parking lot near City Hall amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Drone photos of the Safe Sleeping Village show at least five rows of tents inside the parking lot, surrounded by a chainlink fence. The spaces for the tents are evenly distanced from each other and clearly marked out, to abide by social distancing guidelines brought in to help curb the spread of the virus.

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SpaceNut · 2020-05-19 16:22:41

Republicans put brakes on new coronavirus aid bill in U.S. Congress

"We need to assess what we've already done, take a look at what worked and what didn't work, and we'll discuss the way forward in the next couple of weeks,"

Well those that still have not seen any help as of yet, a system where you can not even get through to file for unemployment ect…

Now rather than a signed check the IRS is responding to the credit, debt card issuers Treasury says 4 million Americans should expect prepaid debit cards with stimulus payments

SpaceNut · 2020-05-22 18:58:44

Help that is not help Trump’s signature effort to direct farm surplus to needy families abruptly withdraws large contract amid criticism of rollout

Farmers are already unable to get the crops in from the field and now the processing plants can not get them ready....

kbd512 · 2020-05-22 19:15:52

SpaceNut,

Democrats want to sit on their hands and do nothing. Now they're complaining about the very problem President Trump warned them about. Figures. He rolls out a plan and they complain about the plan. He withdraws the plan, so then they complain about that, too. They're very good and consistent about complaining, just not doing anything useful for anyone else.

SpaceNut · 2020-05-22 19:39:11

Sort of hard to get bills passed when they are road blocked in the senate...
House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.

long list at end of article....

SpaceNut · 2020-05-25 07:41:49

The pandemic has set in motion the wage and unemployed insurance question for our business structure.
The most unemployment you can get in each state during the pandemic

Millions of Americans have rapidly gone from collecting paychecks to filing for unemployment payments. An unprecedented tens of millions of workers have filed for unemployment benefits since the coronavirus pandemic began.
How much will you receive while unemployed? There’s no single answer. A number of factors, like your paycheck, can come into play. Where you live can make a huge difference, since the maximum unemployment benefit can differ by tens of thousands of dollars from one state to another, according to a recent Zippia analysis.
https://www.zippia.com/research/unemplo … -by-state/
The maximum benefit in the lowest-paying state is about $43,000, calculated annually, the analysis found. In the state with the biggest maximum unemployment checks, that figure is $74,000 annually.
Following is a look at the maximum annualized unemployment benefit a worker can receive in each state. We used numbers from Zippia — which reflect the extra $600 per week that Congress recently added to state unemployment benefits — as well as from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, WalletHub, the Tax Foundation and other sources.

The slides for each state are missing lots of data as to how they arrive to the wage number paid out by unemployment..

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/ … &ocid=iehp

kbd512 · 2020-05-25 14:26:34

SpaceNut,

Yes, it's very difficult to get bills passed when Democrats load them up with their ideological agenda wish list in addition to the one thing that the bill was originally supposed to be about. The Republican Party's job is not to rubber stamp every sophomoric idea your precious Democrats come up with. In the Vox article you linked to, the Democrat Steny Hoyer claims that raising the minimum wage is a bipartisan issue, even though it's clearly not. Instead, it's just another way for Democrats to screw over businesses, and ultimately American workers, by making American businesses uncompetitive with foreign businesses.

From your Vox article:

This has led to House Democrats decrying McConnell’s so-called “legislative graveyard,” a moniker the Senate majority leader has proudly adopted. McConnell calls himself the “grim reaper” of Democratic legislation he derides as socialist, but many of the bills that never see the Senate floor are bipartisan issues, like a universal background check bill, net neutrality, and reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act.
“From raising the minimum wage to ensuring equal pay, we have passed legislation to raise wages. And we have passed legislation to protect and expand health coverage and bring down prescription drug prices,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said in a statement to Vox. “We continue to urge Senator McConnell to take up our bills, many of which are bipartisan.”

1. Only Democrats are pushing for universal background checks. Since we don't also have universal prosecution for federal gun crimes, there's no point. As past mass-shootings have demonstrated, the federal government doesn't even bother to put their own criminally-convicted employees on "the list" to prevent them from acquiring firearms.

2. Net neutrality is a deeply partisan issue. ISP's shouldn't have to treat lawful commerce or delivery of health care data with the same level of importance as pornography or YouTube videos of people lighting their farts. This is yet another inexcusably stupid idea deliberately intended to dictate how businesses operate when paying customers have the ability to take their money to a business that operates the way they want it to. If you don't like the service you receive, then vote with your wallet.

3. The "Violence Against Women Act" is just another load of sexist crap, courtesy of the Democrat Party. Tell your fellow Democrats to stop being so sexist and to stop patronizing women if they truly believe that women are equal to men. If women want equality with men, then they don't need any special laws to prosecute people for committing violence against them versus anyone else. Women should not expect equal treatment without equal protection under the law. If women want to be treated as if they're special in some way, then they can never be equal to men, who are not treated as if they're special. And ladies, you can't have it both ways. If you truly want to be considered equal to men, then call your Democrat legislators and tell them you don't need any special protection laws that only apply to you. If you allow old men like Steny Hoyer to patronize you, then don't expect any different behavior from other men.

4. Raising the minimum wage is merely one of a long line of sophomoric ideas from the Democrat Party that doesn't withstand basic intellectual scrutiny. The net effect of raising the minimum wage has historically been losing your job to a foreign worker who is willing to work for less money. When a business can't pay the wages and turn a profit and remain competitive with foreign businesses, it will inevitably shut down the American factory that American workers previously staffed and move their operations overseas. Both you and your fellow Americans refuse to pay more for American made products, so if you're a low income worker who wants to keep yourself and your fellow Americans employed, then you have to decide if you want high wages or cheap products, because you can't have both. We can raise your wages, but the prices of products will also increase to pay for your increased wages. You have 3 options to choose from if you want to improve your lot in life:

A. You can invest in the education and training required to acquire a job that pays a wage or salary agreeable to you
B. You can work extra hours or more than one job
C. You can start your own business or invent something that lots of people are willing to pay for, though both of those things are very difficult to do, so expect the work you put into it to be commensurate with the reward you receive from it

There are certainly other ways to acquire wealth, such as an inheritance or marrying someone who is wealthy or winning the lottery or becoming famous, yet contrary to regressive leftist wisdom, very few people are born into wealth- they either started a business or invented something or invested their money wisely. There are also people who acquire their wealth through illegal means, but most of those people are eventually caught and punished by having their wealth taken away. If the crime is egregious enough, then they may also serve prison time like Bernie Madoff did. Although many Democrats rarely make such distinctions, merely disliking how someone has acquired their wealth is not considered a retroactively punishable crime by most Republicans. I may really dislike someone making money by posting videos of them lighting their farts, yet I'm not about to initiate a media smear campaign labeling them as "fart profiteers", nor try to make special laws to punish them for making money in a way I find disagreeable.

5. Health care and prescription drug prices are something Democrats had all the opportunity in the world to change to their liking when they controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, yet something that they claim was so important to them they utterly failed to do when former President Obama was in office. Instead, we now pay three times as much for less medical coverage. Thanks, Democrats. We really needed that.

In closing, I do so love being told by Democrat politicians which issues they think are "bipartisan issues". I'm glad that they know so much better than I do how I think my tax money should be spent. That said, they can expect my dissent any time they want to do something I don't actually approve of, at least until they repeal 1A.

SpaceNut · 2020-06-23 16:21:52

Americans will soon need the extra money saved in lockdown

It’s not just the poor who are vulnerable, data suggest. Even well-off middle-class families may struggle to come up with the cash to endure an economic drought of more than a couple months –- because they tend to hold savings in assets that are difficult and costly to access in an emergency.
When a crisis hits, hand-to-mouth households typically have to take on more debt -- assuming someone will lend to them -- or make premature withdrawals from retirement accounts. The latter course often involves selling investments at the worst possible time, after they’ve dropped in value.

For those under $100,000 I think were able to get the 1 time $1,200 but not all were able to receive it.

Calliban · 2020-07-07 10:40:04

It does depend on how you define poverty. But having been to the US, I do not doubt that poverty is a real thing there. The divide between rich and poor is shockingly evident.

The US does not appear to have the same state funded safety nets as other nations. There are pros and cons to this. On the plus side, it is far less likely that people are prepared to sit on their hands living off state handouts for the rest of their lives. People otherwise inclined to do this are motivated to work and innovate their way out of poverty.

The problem as I see it, is that this is not as easy as it once was. The US was once a manufacturing superpower, with plenty of low skill jobs that paid good wages and allowed people to work their way out of poverty, gaining skills as they did so. What is more, wealth per capita was growing each year, largely thanks to the abundant liquid energy provided by self-pressurised, onshore conventional oil fields. Now, the US is a service dominated economy, which is notorious for paying poor wages to those at the bottom.

What the US needs, is not more social security. It needs to regain its position as the world's predominant manufacturing nation. People don't need handouts if well paid jobs are abundant. Trump understands this. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to understand how to make it happen. And he is hemmed in and generally contained by the Dem supporting globalists that created the problem in the first place.

One area that does need state intervention is the US education system. You have no hope of starting a new industrial revolution so long as most of your population is 'stupid is, stupid does'. Bubba and LeRoy are never going to be clever enough to rise to the top of the computer software industry. But operating a CNC machine is not beyond them. But they need the basic level of education that allows them to get that far and a job to go to when they do. It is no good if all those jobs are sitting in China.

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SpaceNut · 2020-07-07 12:47:31

As soon as all countries pay the same wage as the US to the people we will not be able to make that change....That is why a commodity is sold cheaper than what the US industry can provide than the imports do.

Poof poverty wages are gone and now can you live on it when 30% of it is gone in taxation, 20% is going to health care ect.. leaves nothing remaining for retirement keeping in mind that while we would or could work from 20 - 60 ish or so and live to something less than a 100 means having no period of time that you are not working or unemployed means 50% of the wages must go to retiring.

Wish much....

America has gone from a nation that could save tone that is about how much will it cost....for why we are not able to buy American...

Another thing that bugs me is adjusting the numbers weighting them for where you live...as if you should be earning less for the same work just because you live in an area with higher costs....

Are you below or above the poverty line in your state?

Roughly 1 in 7 people living in this country fall below the federal poverty line, which means that 14.6% of Americans earn less than $12,490 a year. With a salary of that size, you’ll need to survive on approximately $35 a day, all while paying for necessities such as rent, food and transportation. For larger families of up to five people, the federal poverty line rises to $30,170 a year — or just over $80 a day — which is still far from enough to maintain a comfortable standard of living.

12,490 / 2080 = $6.00 when we are getting a minimum wage of nearly 8....

With all that has gone on we are now in trouble for those at the bottom with wages... 'There's no one coming to the rescue:' Millions of Americans go hungry as the pandemic destroys lives

kbd512 · 2020-07-10 23:54:33

SpaceNut,

The pandemic itself didn't destroy nearly so many lives as the response to it did and will continue to do. Starvation is far more deadly than any virus encountered to date. 100% of all people who don't eat will die. For some reason, we still have lock downs and shut downs in the face of that fact.

SpaceNut · 2020-07-18 15:45:31

30 million Disabled Workers, Already in a Tough Spot, Now Have It Worse

benefits provide an “income safety net, they foster a greater reliance on the system rather than developing innovative return-to-work programs.” who deal with challenges including seeing and hearing, as well as getting around -- the large majority of job opportunities lie in food service, hospitality and retail. The Social Security Administration paid out a record $145 billion in disability-related benefits last year

kbd512 · 2020-07-19 00:13:47

SpaceNut,

Yep, turns out we actually needed all that tax revenue to be provided by people who can work (every able-bodied person not dying from COVID-19) so that people who can't work still get fed and have their medical needs taken care of by not allowing our evil media cretins to terrify them to the point that they won't even seek medical attention. Now many more people are going to die as a result of media theatrics intended to terrify everyone into doing stupid things for stupid reasons.

Subjective interpretation is fundamentally wrong. Objective reality doesn't care about feelings or ideology. When you don't work, then you starve to death, no matter what ideology you choose to subscribe to. There are only so many interpretations of the world that someone can choose to believe in and still survive to see the next sunrise.

SpaceNut · 2020-07-19 09:15:18

kbd512 wrote:

Now many more people are going to die as a result of media theatrics intended to terrify everyone into doing stupid things for stupid reasons.

You mean the capturing of thousands crowding and swarming around each other with no masks or social distancing only to be the out breaks cause for spreading the disease....

The end results of thinking that this virus cares anything about party..we know that large gatherings and rallys ‘likely’ source of virus surge. Tulsa health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge

Or from the corona parties that have had more than a few end up infected...

Wearing them and doing the right thing in each business location slows the progressing of a disease that causes disability to those that get it.

Most jobs for the disabled are with kickbacks for there employment and not about the added production that they give....as once that extra money is gone so are the people usually or they are treated like dirt so that they will quit.

kbd512 · 2020-07-19 17:15:11

SpaceNut,

The major problem with your line of argumentation is that no logical consistency is applied.

Were people social distancing during the blm / antifa riots?

You're talking to someone who wears a mask, each and every time I go out in public, which isn't very often. I've never attended a political rally for any candidate in my entire life and don't plan on ever attending any.

tahanson43206 · 2020-07-21 08:27:29

This is primarily for SpaceNut. However, it contains elements that may be worth developing a bit, on the part of other forum members.

The item itself is (by my estimation) written for a particular audience of individuals who have a mind set that is fairly common, and it may very well have have been written to irritate an audience, in order to bring them into contact with advertising.

In my case, since my work computer is unable to access the underlying story, I am free to take the snippet and expand upon it a bit for the Mars context.

Business
I told my unemployed tenant about jobs. He said they don’t pay enough, and sits at home smoking weed. Now he wants a discount. What do I do?
Quentin Fottrell (Author)
MarketWatch July 21, 2020 7:21 AM

I think the setup is apocryphal, but it is the sort of thing a certain group of people would leap to believe.

What I'd like to do with this (specifically for SpaceNut) is to invite you to (try to) put yourself in the mental frame of the hypothetical property owner.

Now (and this is much harder, but I'm inviting a serious attempt) try to imagine yourself willing (and able) to play the social role of "job creator".

You have on your hands a person who has certain legal rights not to be evicted, so it is worth at least thinking about whether this tenant might be able to earn enough to pay the rent, if you and he (I'm assuming a gent from the story) are willing to cooperate to achieve that end.

What I am proposing is that you assume the role of job creator, since it seems clear the tenant is (so far) unsuccessful in finding a paying activity.

The question I'm inviting you to consider is whether you could imagine being able to place this person in a work situation as a subcontractor, where you are the prime contractor.

What I'm getting at is that it takes special skills to be able to find a job. You may (as a successful property owner) have those skills, but it would seem clear the (hypothetical) tenant does not possess them.

Is there a scenario in which the setup provided by the gimmick piece at MarketWatch can evolve into a successful enlisting of human capability to earn enough income to pay your rent and provide for subsistence as well?

I recognize that it may be more trouble than it is worth.

The point I am trying to make is that we have far too many job holder candidates. We have far too few job creators.

I suspect the difference between the two is mental attitude.

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tahanson43206 · 2020-07-21 08:41:30

This is also for SpaceNut, but this time it is a report on complete success by a job holder and a job creator.

Recently, in the Housekeeping topic, I reported an encounter with a service representative for a local electric company, which has the contract from Kohler to service their generators. My friend who has the generator was inconvenienced by the unwillingness of the generator to start, so the service representative was invited to take a look at the situation. The problem was speedily identified and resolved, and the rest of the normal maintenance carried out.

What I learned over the course of the visit was that this young gent had been trained at Kohler facilities. His training came across to me in both my observation of his practice (oil change, spark plug replacement, etc) but in the advice he passed along to the generator owner. For example, the owner had a mixture of 5W-30 and 5W-20 oil in the emergency supply, and the service representative suggested getting rid of the 5W-20, since the Kohler training had emphasized the importance of ONLY using 5W-30.

So what I ** think ** I am seeing in this situation is evidence of success of public education systems to prepare this young gent to be hired by the electric company in the first place, and then sent (at considerable expense) to a Kohler facility for factory training.

In the case of Mars, unlike the Earth, which tolerates failure to an astonishing degree, there will be a very limited margin for error. I expect that every citizen will be expected to pull a full load, much as farm children were expected to contribute to meeting the needs of the family enterprise from a young age.

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SpaceNut · 2020-07-21 16:50:54

reply for #498
Serve the bum with eviction papers and set his stuff out side with the laws assistance. Being a stoner gives you no rights to not pay your bills, suggest trying to get help from a homeless shelter for a place to stay.

Not being employed but looking for work each day may get you some grace period to work the situation out with. Maybe they might have a suggestion for work for the tenant as well.

SpaceNut · 2020-07-23 19:34:11

Numbers are in: Government can actually fix poverty homelessness was a far more limited problem until the 1980s. What changed? Our policies.

When Congress passed the CARES Act in March, two key provisions were signed into law that helped millions of Americans. The law provided a one-time, $1,200 payment to many adults under a certain income, with an additional $500 for most children, as well as expanded, enhanced, and extended unemployment benefits to millions of workers, including an additional $600 per week.
The effort has been extraordinarily successful. As a recent New York Times story highlighted, poverty in America has stabilized during the global pandemic. Despite months of sloppy implementation, and an unacceptable lack of transparency for hundreds of billions of dollars flowing to corporations, the results are definitive.

A temporary basic income for the world’s poorest 2.7 billion people in 132 developing countries could help slow the spread of the coronavirus by allowing them to stay home, according to a UN

SpaceNut · 2020-07-29 17:41:41

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