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#451 2018-08-20 11:09:47

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Re: The Real Mars

Ok, had a quick look through Sol 597 Mars Descent Imager, as well as the hand lenze imager hoping to find some more water droplets on the wheels, but nope.

LslPOXr.jpg

As you can see there are still some nasty looking storm clouds about, (green things in the foreground are plants or trees.

dMoee5S.jpg

Lower image, overcast sky and fern, with likely heavy rain.

Left image the sun, dark clouds, and obvious fern type leaves around the edges.

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#452 2018-08-21 06:26:38

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Re: The Real Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqT1zTq34Y

Even NASA teams can suffer from pareidolia it seems...they thought this odd object might be part of the Rover, then decided it is simply a "rock".  Does look rather odd sat there - as it doesn't seem to have the orange dust covering. But we know from Earth you can get narrow slates and so on.

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#453 2018-08-21 06:58:16

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Re: The Real Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqT1zTq34Y

Even NASA teams can suffer from pareidolia it seems...they thought this odd object might be part of the Rover, then decided it is simply a "rock".  Does look rather odd sat there - as it doesn't seem to have the orange dust covering. But we know from Earth you can get narrow slates and so on.


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#454 2018-08-21 14:44:50

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Re: The Real Mars

A fish or a rock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amX6z9js8Gc

Easy perhaps to opt for rock...but consider this fossil (scroll down to the 6th image):

https://www.tonmo.com/pages/tusoteuthis … ant-squid/

What a shame we don't have real experts on the surface of Mars to check out these fascinating images.


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#455 2018-08-22 03:04:16

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Re: The Real Mars

Ok, ran through some more images before and after trying to find some more impossible, water droplets on the rover...

But first things first.

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Top, vegetation and a clearing sky.

Middle and bottom, vegetation and the middle image shows that it is still stormy in some areas.

JSmrnwX.jpg

This one was Sol 587, or before the Sol 588, breakthrough image, (l may have posted this before)?

kOlJ1sl.jpg

And this is Sol 617, or l got ahead of myself.

But yep, more water droplets, which is no surprise with the stormy clouds visible in some images.


Also, the last image shows a very clean surface, so the idea of the rover being saturated with salt, can be discounted, as can frosts, as l have never seen any white on the rocks in morning images, (as l did in Viking ones).

No l have proven 100% that NASA is lying about the air pressure, which is clearly more Earth like. And raised very good evidence to show that Mars has rain!

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#456 2018-08-24 04:10:18

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Re: The Real Mars

Ok, now we know that NASA is lying about some things, and Mars has rainfall, we can proceed with more dispatch.

QZo30rv.jpg

This ref, rock shows a blue sky with plants on the left and what looks like a swamp on the right.

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Next there is a puddle, and the red arrow still shows some overcast clouds.

Bottom image, right a hint of blue, left, the landscape is grayer or most likely more rain.

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Left a desert, right a river and green.

I jumped forward some more, (the sol numbers are below) and there are still some water droplets on the silver bit, and not surprisingly the wheel is picking up a lot more Martian dirt, (the previous images before the downpour, where spotless).

TPt03dV.jpg

This one, especially on the right, clearly shows that the dirt or sand is wet.

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Other images also show dark tracks, and very dark dirt underneath, (l didn't post those as, closeup rover images are easy to find, and we have seen those before, where others speculated that it was wet or damp dirt.

We don't need to speculate anymore we know.

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https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/
Raw images, Mastcam, bottom right, if you want to look through the raw images, and do a video, etc.

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#457 2018-08-25 03:13:18

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More rainclouds, but first what seems to be some local art, (looks like a barking dog, left and alien child holding something, right).

BnZGCrH.jpg

Lower image is probably the rovers wheel reflection.


Considering that the rovers wheels were pristine, then dirt or mud was sticking onto the wheels, then, (l went up to Sol 640) they are almost clean again, tells me that this area of Mars, has frequent torrential rainfall, and the sun has a kick to it, or it drys out the landscape quickly.

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You can see from the raincloud up top, bucketing down for short periods, probably is common.

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And from these two images, torrential rain is the norm, which you would expect from a sub/tropical area, with a lot of ferns.

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#458 2018-08-25 09:59:52

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Re: The Real Mars

Ueqc9oA.jpg

Probably a close approximation of what Mars really looks like, (Australia's outback, has several images that are close or accurate to what Mars is like).

NASA recently posted that it had found elements in the soil that wold give 2% of it back as water, (inactive of course) and from what l saw, (or didn't see) one member got huffy about it, (other forum).

Some just don't want to know, and will kick up a stink, rather than accept evidence. Eventhough all of this is leading towards full disclosure.

That also means as l have shown, or proven that if someone believes that a conspiracy is taking place they are not automatically nuts. The fool is the one who ignores evidence.

I have been running through Curiosity images for years, and obviously will on hopefully not too rare occasions will kick up a gold nugget.

It feels good to finally prove that l was right about the air pressure, as well as not to have to have endless discussions with individuals who because of fimarity or comfort always lean on NASA propaganda.

PS if l use the blue, winking icon elsewhere, that usually means that l have found something here.

wink

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#459 2018-08-25 10:57:16

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Re: The Real Mars

Tmcom that is a beautiful image and quite possibly was what early mars was like when the atmosphere was thick enough to support life. I do think that small pockets in the low lying area of mars may still have such early life but it will be very thin....

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#460 2018-08-25 11:20:22

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Re: The Real Mars

OK, let's assume you're right...why doesn't Mars look blue and white and green like Earth looks from a distance?

Tmcom wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/Ueqc9oA.jpg

Probably a close approximation of what Mars really looks like, (Australia's outback, has several images that are close or accurate to what Mars is like).

NASA recently posted that it had found elements in the soil that wold give 2% of it back as water, (inactive of course) and from what l saw, (or didn't see) one member got huffy about it, (other forum).

Some just don't want to know, and will kick up a stink, rather than accept evidence. Eventhough all of this is leading towards full disclosure.

That also means as l have shown, or proven that if someone believes that a conspiracy is taking place they are not automatically nuts. The fool is the one who ignores evidence.

I have been running through Curiosity images for years, and obviously will on hopefully not too rare occasions will kick up a gold nugget.

It feels good to finally prove that l was right about the air pressure, as well as not to have to have endless discussions with individuals who because of fimarity or comfort always lean on NASA propaganda.

PS if l use the blue, winking icon elsewhere, that usually means that l have found something here.

wink


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#461 2018-08-25 21:31:04

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SpaceNut wrote:

Tmcom that is a beautiful image and quite possibly was what early mars was like when the atmosphere was thick enough to support life. I do think that small pockets in the low lying area of mars may still have such early life but it will be very thin....

True that the rover landed in a giant crater, but with the air pressure being more Earth like, it does open the door.

louis wrote:

OK, let's assume you're right...why doesn't Mars look blue and white and green like Earth looks from a distance?

Assume, lol, unless an alien went up to the rover with a watering can, there is no assume. As for the rest, Mars sunlight is 20% less than Earth, and Mars only has small continent sized oceans, so it won't look blue, and possibly less cloud cover, adding to a more nonuniform magnetic field, which is probably the strongest at its greenest parts.

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#462 2018-08-27 04:23:33

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Not much today, more landscapes, but the thing on the left is a plant.

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Look like fungus or toadstools to me, the CP showed very little green, mainly dark coffee.

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#463 2018-08-27 14:29:10

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We've seen condensation on the polar lander...drops of (presumably briney) water don't have to drop from the sky.

Tmcom wrote:
SpaceNut wrote:

Tmcom that is a beautiful image and quite possibly was what early mars was like when the atmosphere was thick enough to support life. I do think that small pockets in the low lying area of mars may still have such early life but it will be very thin....

True that the rover landed in a giant crater, but with the air pressure being more Earth like, it does open the door.

louis wrote:

OK, let's assume you're right...why doesn't Mars look blue and white and green like Earth looks from a distance?

Assume, lol, unless an alien went up to the rover with a watering can, there is no assume. As for the rest, Mars sunlight is 20% less than Earth, and Mars only has small continent sized oceans, so it won't look blue, and possibly less cloud cover, adding to a more nonuniform magnetic field, which is probably the strongest at its greenest parts.

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#464 2018-08-27 18:32:12

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You mean the Pheonix polar lander with its landing engines cause condensation on the legs...or simply because its obsorbing and radiating the days accumilated heat towards the ground.

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Images of one of Phoenix's struts taken by the lander's robotic arm camera on Sols (or Martian days) 8, 31 and 44 of the mission. The two spheroids enclosed by the circle appear to merge with each other, which some Phoenix scientists argue is a sign that the globs are liquid water.

https://www.space.com/6394-phoenix-mars … tists.html

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#465 2018-08-27 22:00:22

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louis wrote:

We've seen condensation on the polar lander...drops of (presumably briney) water don't have to drop from the sky.

Tmcom wrote:
SpaceNut wrote:

Tmcom that is a beautiful image and quite possibly was what early mars was like when the atmosphere was thick enough to support life. I do think that small pockets in the low lying area of mars may still have such early life but it will be very thin....

True that the rover landed in a giant crater, but with the air pressure being more Earth like, it does open the door.

louis wrote:

OK, let's assume you're right...why doesn't Mars look blue and white and green like Earth looks from a distance?

Assume, lol, unless an alien went up to the rover with a watering can, there is no assume. As for the rest, Mars sunlight is 20% less than Earth, and Mars only has small continent sized oceans, so it won't look blue, and possibly less cloud cover, adding to a more nonuniform magnetic field, which is probably the strongest at its greenest parts.

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No, But these came from the top of the rover, 5 years after landing, so we can forget about the landing engines throwing up water, (eventhough unlike Phoenix there was no ice in the dirt).

Forget about salt being on the rover, (the last image was near spotless)

Forget about the rover springing a leak, sure it uses CFC-12, or car radiator fluid, as a heat exchange and power generator, but this is a closed loop, and does not go anywhere near its front wheel leg, or the robotic arm assembly.

https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/hand … sAllowed=y

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Not to mention the dry ground becoming wet, before all of the droplets were found, and a week later drying out again.

The Only other explanation is the rovers fluid system sprung a major leak, and sprayed substantial amounts of radiator coolent, over a wide area, that because of its composition survived as a liquid and wet the soil over a wide enough area,......

This does not explain the water flows or puddles, and is a weak grasp at best, in ignoring the obvious.

Sure it is a scary thought that NASA is lying, and Mars probably has ferns in the general area, but in this case, it seems pretty iron clad that the rover at Sol 588, went through a short downpour.

SpaceNut wrote:

You mean the Pheonix polar lander with its landing engines cause condensation on the legs...or simply because its obsorbing and radiating the days accumilated heat towards the ground.

http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/02/1 … -nat-4.jpg

Images of one of Phoenix's struts taken by the lander's robotic arm camera on Sols (or Martian days) 8, 31 and 44 of the mission. The two spheroids enclosed by the circle appear to merge with each other, which some Phoenix scientists argue is a sign that the globs are liquid water.

https://www.space.com/6394-phoenix-mars … tists.html

Thanks, Spacenut, doesn't really matter what caused that, it is more of the case if it is not briney water then NASA is lying about the air pressure.

But since these are closer to the ground, and may be briney...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29634476/ns/t … 4S_LsJ9jIU

I didn't include that one with my findings.

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#466 2018-08-28 16:24:38

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Re: The Real Mars

So does it mean that the polar out gassing from being warmer during there respective summers gain in are pressure and what is that level so we can plan mars teraforming....

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#467 2018-08-29 03:35:16

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SpaceNut wrote:

So does it mean that the polar out gassing from being warmer during there respective summers gain in are pressure and what is that level so we can plan mars teraforming....

Not sure what you mean, but pure water droplets, sitting on top of the rover, opens a lot of doors. And l did a search for Curiosity malfunctions, and so far no heating or power issues.


Ok, today the usual, rain clouds and plants.

P8BoM0H.jpg

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This one gives a reasonably good look at some, and they do resemble smaller versions of the boab tree image l showed previously.

h1YapGj.jpg

Another reasonably good look at the martian landscape, with plants, (CP) which may be small shrubs and ferns; blue mountains and rainclouds with possibly a lake, but too hard to be sure.

Mars is in the habitable zone, the ESA satellite shows, isolated but vast green areas, and likely giant lakes, or isolated oceans, large amounts of water vapor in the atmosphere, large amounts of oxygen detected leaving the atmosphere, and so on...

So Mars being the second habitable planet in our system, needn't be some hard to imagine shock, the evidence is stacked in its favor, but the implications are hard to handle.

Spotting Martian rain drops on the rover is no surprize, NASA letting it through was, l have spent years at this and have seen countless rivers, wet soil and streams, so best to get used to this now, as it will be in our faces in the next 15 years.

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#468 2018-08-29 15:20:08

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Re: The Real Mars

Not sure if I posted this before....

One of the more remarkably curious images to come back to us from Mars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPXWwcJOXQ&t=344s

I think if we saw it on Earth, the first thing we'd say would not be "rock".


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#469 2018-09-01 03:29:51

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Another look at the martian landscape, blue mountains, clearing rainclouds and the green blob on the right, are most likely ferns growing out of this rock.

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#470 2018-09-03 03:33:28

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Ok, more great evidence that Mars has plant life.

SFqA42L.jpg

This reflective rock shows ferns and plants growing out of this rock.

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Lower image, plants in the distance, top, a pretty good closeup look at a fern like fron. smile

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Lower, sun is still setting over a landscape of distant blue mountains, blue/pinkish clouds and sky, waterways and plants.

A vastly different view than the blue sunset, rocks and virtually no atmosphere, NASA lies.

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#471 2018-09-04 09:39:25

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Re: The Real Mars

Tmcom wrote:

Ok, more great evidence that Mars has plant life.

This reflective rock shows ferns and plants growing out of this rock.

Lower image, plants in the distance, top, a pretty good closeup look at a fern like fron. smile

Lower, sun is still setting over a landscape of distant blue mountains, blue/pinkish clouds and sky, waterways and plants.

A vastly different view than the blue sunset, rocks and virtually no atmosphere, NASA lies.

smile

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Hi Tmcom. thanks for the images.


I've tried both search engine and the NASA site to bring up the reference numbers quoted. As you can see below, no results found.

Again, please could you provide an active link for the images you show so we may examine the image data on local machines?

Many thanks.

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#472 2018-09-04 12:09:00

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M-Albion-3D wrote:
Tmcom wrote:

Ok, more great evidence that Mars has plant life.

This reflective rock shows ferns and plants growing out of this rock.

Lower image, plants in the distance, top, a pretty good closeup look at a fern like fron. smile

Lower, sun is still setting over a landscape of distant blue mountains, blue/pinkish clouds and sky, waterways and plants.

A vastly different view than the blue sunset, rocks and virtually no atmosphere, NASA lies.

smile

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Hi Tmcom. thanks for the images.


I've tried both search engine and the NASA site to bring up the reference numbers quoted. As you can see below, no results found.

Again, please could you provide an active link for the images you show so we may examine the image data on local machines?

Many thanks.

Sure...and thanks for the positive remarks.

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

Phew, had a run in with some serious idiots elsewhere, no amount of evidence is enough for some, and stupidity really is infinite, (Einstein quote).

Some won't believe in any of this till the day they die, and posting water droplets on the rover, would mean nothing to them they will just ignore it, and continue on their deluded paths.

It takes some serious brainwashing to ignore very good evidence and continue to convince yourself that you are super smart.

There are two camps on this planet the ones that see evidence and move on and others that ignore it at any cost.

The ones that ignore it, pffft, they have little time left til mainstream science shows HD images of this.

Then we will truely see.

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#473 2018-09-04 17:07:56

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Re: The Real Mars

I don't think asking for specific pic links to raw images (rather than linking to a website) is unreasonable.

I am v. open to all interpretations of the evidence we see in the rover pics...we need to get people on Mars to investigate close up and handle samples back in a Mars-surface lab.

Tmcom wrote:
M-Albion-3D wrote:
Tmcom wrote:

Ok, more great evidence that Mars has plant life.

This reflective rock shows ferns and plants growing out of this rock.

Lower image, plants in the distance, top, a pretty good closeup look at a fern like fron. smile

Lower, sun is still setting over a landscape of distant blue mountains, blue/pinkish clouds and sky, waterways and plants.

A vastly different view than the blue sunset, rocks and virtually no atmosphere, NASA lies.

smile

0588MR0024610170400409E01_D
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Hi Tmcom. thanks for the images.


I've tried both search engine and the NASA site to bring up the reference numbers quoted. As you can see below, no results found.

Again, please could you provide an active link for the images you show so we may examine the image data on local machines?

Many thanks.

Sure...

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

Phew, had a run in with some serious idiots elsewhere, no amount of evidence is enough for some, and stupidity really is infinite, (Einstein quote).

Some won't believe in any of this till the day they die, and posting water droplets on the rover, would mean nothing to them they will just ignore it, and continue on their deluded paths.

It takes some serious brainwashing to ignore very good evidence and continue to convince yourself that you are super smart.

There are two camps on this planet the ones that see evidence and move on and others that ignore it at any cost.

The ones that ignore it, pffft, they have little time left til mainstream science shows HD images of this.

Then we will truely see.

neutral


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#474 2018-09-04 22:25:41

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louis wrote:

I don't think asking for specific pic links to raw images (rather than linking to a website) is unreasonable.

Ok, l just checked the search function, which doesn't work, and eventhough l cannot link to each one, as l load up a good 100, put then in a file and go through them when i can, so creating a file for each image and link would slow down the process too much, on special occasions, (like now) l can direct link them.

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/ra … DXXX&s=588
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/ra … DXXX&s=588

But in all honesty these images are very easy to find, just click on bottom/right then on the first few numbers eg, Sol 0588,..... for example, then scroll down till they show up, for the rover closeups, there is usually only half a dozen at a time, and easy to find.

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#475 2018-09-04 23:43:37

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Re: The Real Mars

Tmcom wrote:
louis wrote:

I don't think asking for specific pic links to raw images (rather than linking to a website) is unreasonable.

Ok, l just checked the search function, which doesn't work, and eventhough l cannot link to each one, as l load up a good 100, put then in a file and go through them when i can, so creating a file for each image and link would slow down the process too much, on special occasions, (like now) l can direct link them.

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/ra … DXXX&s=588
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/ra … DXXX&s=588

But in all honesty these images are very easy to find, just click on bottom/right then on the first few numbers eg, Sol 0588,..... for example, then scroll down till they show up, for the rover closeups, there is usually only half a dozen at a time, and easy to find.

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I get the workload here and can appreciate the time taken.

Can you post a direct link for the three images you posted above in #470?

Thanks again.

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