When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-23 07:27:17

Political players who count numbers? International Monetary Fund (IMF) is a major financial agency of the United Nations, World Bank is an international financial institution that provides loans and grants to the governments, BRICS, originally named BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China), is an acronym for the regional economies of Brazil, Russia, India and China, which in 2010 had included the letter S for South Africa, April 2023, it was announced that 19 countries had expressed interest in joining BRICS, the Group of Seven (G7) is an intergovernmental political forum consisting of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States; additionally, the European Union (EU) is a "non-enumerated member." the Bank for International Settlements is an international financial institution which is owned by member central banks.

Sri Lanka’s Economic Collapse: A Timeline
https://www.thestreet.com/economics/sri … e-timeline

Many factors, including poor decision making on fiscal policy initiatives and economic management, led to Sri Lanka’s economic collapse. Eventually, the country’s government resorted to asking for emergency aid from the International Monetary Fund in September 2022.

New taxes contributing to Sri Lanka’s brain drain
https://www.asianews.it/news-en/New-tax … 57690.html

2021 news article

Dutch farmers flee environmental rules at home to settle in other EU countries
https://www.politico.eu/article/netherl … countries/

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-06-23 07:41:32)

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-06-24 08:36:41

'Crew of Titanic submarine mothership banned from leaving vessel as tragedy probe begins'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new … d-30313219

"If You Just Want To Be Safe...": Missing Titanic Tour Leader Loved Risk
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/missing … fe-4142258

Stockton Rush the CEO now deceased, once dreamed of becoming the first person on Mars.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40406673/th … -the-ocean
He might have been smart in his own way starting a business but also deaf ears or dumb when it comes to safety, his Emails have been Leaked and he sounds or sounded a bit loony

From: Stockton Rush
To: Rob McCallum
Sent Subject: RE: Sea Trials

I have grown tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation and new entrants from entering their small existing market.

previously written that he had heard ‘baseless cries’ of ‘you are going to kill someone’ – which he believed were a ‘serious personal insult’

Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cries of "you are going to kill someone" way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/23/titan-su … -19006205/

,

https://news.yahoo.com/titan-sub-ceo-di … 48305.html

Mr McCallum told the BBC that he repeatedly urged the company to seek certification

The tense exchange ended after OceanGate's lawyers threatened legal action, Mr McCallum said.

He now joins a list of guys the inventors killed by their own invention, a man John Day dies inventing his own diving chamber, the Turkic islamo guy who attempted to fly using two wooden wings and died after jump off the roof of a Mosque, Sylvester Roper inventor of the dangerous steam-powered bicycle that smashed into something full speed giving its cyclist a heart attack, Franz Reichelt inventor of this Batman looking coat parachute he tested it with a jump off the Eiffel Tower jumping to his death, Horace Lawson Hunley Confederate inventor dies in his own submarine, the Flat Earth guy who wanted to prove the Earth was Flat by going up in a self made Rocket, the ancient Chinese guy who blew himself up with his own gunpowder firework trying to make it better and safer, Jimi Heselden killed while riding one of his company products the Segway scooter, Julius H. Kroehl a German American dies from Decompression Sickness, 'Stockton Rush' was probably much smarter than these past men but had some kind of personality flaw or arrogance, it would not allow him to hear the word 'No'.

Also killed Paul-Henri Nargeolet (77), Hamish Harding (58), Shahzada Dawood (48) and his son Suleman Dawood (19)

Mission-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8U08yJlb8
'Personal Experience' DALLMYD he travels with his girlfriend

They sound happy, laughing and adventurous at first

Got lucky and close to tragedy, explain problems with the sub

He admits it was a great adventure and he would have said yes again to a spot on that Sub that failed and they personally had a 'great experience'. Wishes he could go back in time and tell them not to do it.

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-06-24 09:03:15)

SpaceNut · 2023-07-06 21:31:36

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019 … te-change/

https://earth.org/data_visualization/a- … ry-of-co2/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_di … atmosphere

Melting Arctic glaciers unleashes potent greenhouse gas

As the ice melts it releases the co2 to the air, we do get a sudden rise but if the co2 stays in solution then the oceans become more acidic.

SpaceNut · 2023-07-06 21:42:00

Tried to add kbd512 post response

but I go the internet error.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-05 08:23:18

Senator demands answers from Biden admin over Sam Brinton's luggage theft on taxpayer-funded trip
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senato … unded-trip

Wolves and the Greens: why Germans are flocking to the AfD
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/08/wo … o-the-afd/

Fitting Germany’s nuclear phaseout into its renewable ambitions
https://www.power-technology.com/featur … ambitions/

Truthout says Nuclear is super heating the air and water

a non-profit news organization which describes itself as "dedicated to providing independent reporting, it will often focus on social politics, climate change, militarism and, LGBTQ rights, the director is Ziggy West Jeffery and the Editor-in-Chief is Britney Schultz, it got famous during the BP oil spill and the whistleblower who warned about a possible blowout at another BP deepwater drilling site, 2011, Truthout suffered a hacking breach in which ten days of articles were deleted, its Board of Advisors include Hollywood Actor Mark Ruffalo, Dean Baker, Richard D. Wolff, William Ayers, Mark Weisbrot, Howard Zinn.

Quote
How the “Nuclear Renaissance” Robs and Roasts Our Earth
https://truthout.org/articles/how-the-n … our-earth/
'Nuclear power not only costs twice as much as wind and solar, it's responsible for superheating our air and waterways'

Last edited by Mars_B4_Moon (2023-08-05 08:23:49)

SpaceNut · 2023-08-06 18:31:57

Ocean Hits Highest Recorded Temperature, Still Rising

SpaceNut · 2023-08-10 17:52:03

A ‘once every 7.5 million years’ event is currently unfolding in Antarctica: ‘To say unprecedented isn’t strong enough’

SpaceNut · 2023-10-03 18:43:41

We've Been Overlooking a Major Part of Climate Change, And It's Sending Warning Signs

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-10-25 20:12:53

Japanese research is no longer world class — here's why

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03290-1

Despite a strong workforce, Japan’s research continues to slide down the indicators of quality.

Some of the decline might be attributable to funding, Igami says. The 2023 report shows that research spending in the university sector has grown by roughly 80% in the United States and Germany, and 40% in France, has quadrupled in South Korea and has increased more than tenfold in China over the past two decades. By contrast, Japan’s spending has increased by 10%.

However, even if researchers receive more funding, producing high-impact research might still be challenging, because Japanese scientists have less time for actual research, Igami says. According to a 2020 analysis by MEXT, the proportion of time that university researchers dedicated to science decreased from 47% to 33% between 2002 and 2018.

SpaceNut · 2023-11-14 19:26:21

Who's to blame for climate change? Scientists don't hold back in new federal report.

kbd512 · 2023-11-15 00:52:38

Oldfart1939 should've called this topic "When Science becomes a Perverse Religion".

This is the first "science report" I've ever read with a poem written on it. That was my first "clue" that what was published in the report was the regressive left's religious beliefs, rather than science. Actual scientists publish data from their experiments, and only speculate about what it might mean at the very end of their report. Activists publish poems and artwork. What purpose do poems and artwork serve in a science report?

Fifth National Climate Assessment Report-In-Brief

This regressive leftist brain vomit was hurled onto Page 106 of the climate changer's 5th revision to their religious dogma handbook:

Key Message 20.1
Social Systems Are Changing the Climate and Distributing Its Impacts Inequitably
Social systems are changing the climate (very high confidence). Societal characteristics and processes shape greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels (very high confidence). Social systems also inequitably distribute the benefits of energy consumption and the impacts of GHG emissions and climate change (high confidence). Governance is a critical process that distributes these impacts (very high confidence) and provides access to adaptation (medium confidence).
Key Message 20.2
Social Systems Structure How People Know and Communicate About Climate Change
People’s histories, educations, cultures, and ethics determine how they understand and experience climate change (high confidence). These knowledges take multiple forms (high confidence) and generate diverse approaches to climate adaptation and mitigation (medium confidence). Engagement across communities that builds clear objectives and benchmarks has been shown to produce more desired outcomes (medium confidence). Effective engagement is challenging due in part to the complexity and uncertainty associated with climate science and politics (high confidence). Including community perspectives and multiple forms of knowledge in climate discussions and decision-making helps promote justice (medium confidence).
Key Message 20.3
Climate Justice Is Possible If Processes like Migration and Energy Transitions Are Equitable
Climate justice—the recognition of diverse values and past harms, equitable distribution of benefits and risks, and the procedural inclusion of affected communities in decision-making processes—is possible (medium confidence). Complex social processes such as human migration affect climate inequities (medium confidence). Climate justice is also closely related to just transitions (high confidence), which involve equitably adapting societies, economies, and energy systems to climate change mitigation strategies and climate impacts (high confidence).

What are "knowledges"? Knowledge doesn't have a plural form in English. Was this report even written by Americans?

People who are trying to convince someone outside of the left's climate change death cult, that they are indeed real scientists, would not allow their good names and reputations as scientists to be sullied by associating themselves with this sort of ideological trash. All they're doing is telling me and anyone else who can read that they're not real scientists.

These excerpts come from the Scientology article published by MSN, which SpaceNut linked to in Post #686:

In prior reports, scientists often hedged their statements, for example saying they were 90% sure humans were responsible for the changes being seen," Leung said. “In this NCA 5 report, we are now saying that we are totally sure."

I've never met a real scientist who was "totally sure" of much of anything. I've met plenty of religious dogmatics who were "totally sure".

Starting from the 1900s, the observed warming has been caused by human activities, she said. "It’s definitive.”

All the climate change that happened before the 1900s was caused by something else, but now it's definitely humans.

Another key difference is scientists reduced by 50% the uncertainty in how much temperatures would warm if the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere doubles, she said. In previous assessments that number had hovered around a range from 2.7 degrees to 8 degrees. “It was a pretty big range,” she said. “Our goal has always been to narrow this down.”
Thanks to the increase in instrumental observations, satellite data, the study of the paleoclimate, and higher resolution computer modeling, scientists now have amassed more evidence than ever before, giving them more certainty, she said. “Now we can say that the global warming that is caused by a doubling of the CO2 in the atmosphere should be between 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit.”

We can model the climate 50 to 100 years from now to within 3 degrees Fahrenheit, but we cannot predict what the temperature will be with anywhere near this accuracy, a mere 2 weeks from now. The temperature record graph reproduced in the article doesn't show a 4.5 to 7.2 degree increase in temperature over the past 100 years when atmospheric CO2 has more than doubled, but now we're sure that it causes at least 4.5 degrees of warming.

"The science is irrefutable: we must swiftly reduce heat-trapping emissions and enact transformational climate adaptation policies in every region of the country to limit the stampede of devastating events and the toll each one takes on our lives and the economy."

All science is refutable. Religion is not. Since our "climate scientists" have become religious cult members, and are no longer practicing science, does that mean we can stop funding this lunacy?

America is not a theocracy. Leftists keep telling me that while replacing Christian religious symbols with their climate change death cult religious symbols.

The only "stampede of devastating events" taking place is people who would otherwise be Christians, Hindus, Jews, or Muslims, which the communist left cannot tolerate, have been deceived into praying to the "climate god". These Scientologists are their new high priests and priestesses.

The events Americans have already experienced firsthand are "unfolding as predicted."

America was supposed to be underwater by now, half the people were supposed to be starving in the streets, and WWIII was supposed to happen at least a dozen times.

Communities in every state and territory have taken action.

The regressive left's never-ending attempt to involve ever-more people in their latest circle jerk, in another attempt to take the world record away from themselves, is the only action I see. If the author meant something effective, well no, nothing of the sort is happening.

People across the nation can use the assessment to take future actions.

So, more circle jerks?

For example, Prabhakar said the report could be used by a water utility manager in Chicago trying to understand extreme rainfall, an urban planner deciding where to locate cooling centers in Texas, or a manager of a Southeastern hospital trying to get ahead of the diseases ticks and mosquitoes are bringing into their region as a result of the changing climate.

People in Chicago are too busy shooting each other in their "gun free zones" to worry about where the water will come from, but when last I checked all of the Great Lakes contain plenty of water, so if I was a water utility manager, I'd probably start there.

People in Texas already know where to locate "cooling centers". We install them in every building down here. It's called "central heating and air conditioning". Unless it's the center of a fan in an AC unit, I have no clue what these "cooling centers" are that Comrade Prabhakar is writing about.

Southeastern hospitals looking to "stay ahead" of mosquito and tick diseases were kept extra busy for the past several years due to "I am the science"'s ill-advised Scientology stunt involving the creation of a lethal bioweapon in a Chinese lab in Wuhan. Given their response to COVID, I don't think our medical establishment has the cognitive abilities required to stay out of the next wet paper bag that regressive left ideology rams their soft heads into.

Calliban · 2023-11-15 06:18:05

This is awkward. A social justice warrior wanted to write a scientific paper on 'climate change' because that is the trendy thing right now and there is lots of kudos when you publish a paper. Unfortunately, like all left-wing people he has no technical education. No knowledge of physics or engineering. So this brain fart of social pseudo-science is what we get.

These people don't even have enough introspection to be embarrassed. But this is typical of the left generally. Everything is about rights and feelings. The best man in the room is the one who is most outraged. The one who can blame the right people with the most conviction. This is why the leader of the climate change movement is an autistic woman with no higher education. She is able to look and sound righteous. She has absolutely nothing practically useful to say, but that isn't the point. She is there to lead a revolution, not to be burdened with all that tecky stuff. The idea is to use the problem to engage people, not to solve it. These people exist to launch cultural revolutions that overturn society. They have never solved a real problem and they are not interested. A problem solved is a problem they cannot use to beat up their self identified political opponents with. Hence their opposition to technical solutions like nuclear power. If the energy crisis is solved, then it cannot be used to push for ideologically attractive solutions like solar power. So don't look to these people to solve any problem. That is not the idea.

Last edited by Calliban (2023-11-15 06:33:29)

Void · 2023-11-18 13:54:17

I am offended, this isn't "Doom Porn"!

https://phys.org/news/2023-11-absorb-co … ously.html
Quote:

NOVEMBER 17, 2023
Editors' notes
New research suggests plants might be able to absorb more CO2 from human activities than previously expected
by Trinity College Dublin

Done

Last edited by Void (2023-11-18 13:55:06)

SpaceNut · 2023-11-23 18:28:00

Even ignoring all of the co2 and hot air the facts is that the polar ice has seen melting along with century old glaciers. So as the water is added to the sea it should come as no surprise that the earth will wobble. The Earth’s axis is shifting because of water

We know the moon effects the tides and the location of current state water is bulging at the equator aligned with rotation so as the mass of water is shifting so will the earths spin.

SpaceNut · 2023-11-24 18:51:49

Anyone needs some ICE Iceberg Five Times the Size of New York Breaks Away From Antarctica

The 'Doomsday glacier' is melting and we could all be in trouble from the famous mass of ice, Thwaites Glacier, located in Antarctica about 18 miles from Mount Murphy and is the same size as the state of Florida.

Two studies conducted by researchers from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and published in the journal Nature suggest warm water is beginning to seep through the glacier's most vulnerable parts as a result of rising global temperatures.
Doomsday Glacier: it could raise global sea levels by 25 inches or 65 centimeters.
The surprise came when they discovered that the water beneath Thwaites Glacier was too warm for the area it was in, having risen by 2.5 degrees.

SpaceNut · 2023-12-20 11:21:46

Seem methane is something we can get here as Sea of methane sealed beneath Arctic permafrost could trigger climate feedback loop if it escapes
Collect it and stop it in its tracks.

Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

Methane is a greenhouse gas that is emitted from natural sources such as wetlands and also as a result of man-made activities such as food production, sewage treatment, and natural gas production. Once released into the atmosphere, methane can take up to 12 years to decompose naturally in carbon dioxide.
Over a 25-year period, though, methane is 85 times worse for the climate than carbon dioxide. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), methane is responsible for a 0.6-degree increase in global average temperature after its concentration has increased 150 percent since the mid-1700s due to human activities. The global agency recommends reducing methane levels to an immediate reduction in rising global temperatures.
The chlorine atoms then steal hydrogen atoms from methane to make hydrochloric acid (HCl), which can be captured and recycled. The methane atoms decompose into carbon dioxide (CO2), carbon monoxide (CO), and hydrogen (H2), the same way it is processed naturally but at a rate that's roughly 100 million times faster in the reaction chamber.
A laboratory prototype of the methane eradication photochemical system (MEPS) technology achieves 58% removal efficiency with a flow capacity of 30 l min−1; a reactor volume of 90 l; UV power input at 368 nm of 110 W; chlorine concentration of 99 ppm; and a methane concentration of 55 ppm; under these conditions the apparent quantum yield (AQY) ranged from 0.48% to 0.56% and the volumetric energy consumption ranged from 36 to 244 kJ m−3. The maximum achieved AQY with this system was 0.83%.

AA1lMJ5Z.img?w=768&h=408&m=6

Permafrost: A ticking time bomb beneath our feet

wow even below the frost line

AA1lO0MO.img?w=768&h=555&m=6

tahanson43206 · 2023-12-20 11:52:05

For SpaceNut .... Elon needs methane to help get humans off the planet.

Why not collect it and use if for something useful?

Elon will convert it to carbon dioxide and water at no charge to you!

he'll even pay you for the methane!

(th)

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-12-24 20:55:55

a 'perversion' in my opinion

These scientists want to put a massive 'sunshade' in orbit to help fight climate change, ok if you want to make Venus more 'habitable' but on Earth I would say don't dump too much stuff into your rivers, the air and the ocean and prevention is better than a so called cure.

https://www.scienceforums.com/topic/718 … te-change/

SpaceNut · 2024-01-21 12:52:35

Weather in dry regions isn't behaving as climate models predict

BB1h0j6Z.img?w=768&h=512&m=6

image is quite beautiful...

Weather is that short-term meaning day to day or over a week or months but the scale of years to centuries I think is no longer weather.

The Clausius-Clapeyron relationship has been a fundamental principle in climate science, suggesting that with every 1°C rise in temperature, atmospheric moisture should increase by about 7%.

seems to not hold to theory.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-17 12:27:07

Once melting glaciers shut down the Gulf Stream, we will see extreme climate change within decades, study shows

BB1iqyEn.img?w=534&h=359&m=6

Also thee heat getting and causing the elivation is effected by Chemical composition of US air pollution has changed over time focusing on the evolution of fine particulate matter (PM2.5) levels across the nation from 2006 to 2020.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-25 15:14:37

Data reveals where climate change skeptics and believers live in US BB1iRANI.img?w=800&h=435&q=60&m=2&f=jpg

SpaceNut · 2024-02-29 17:19:45

Strawbery Banke uses technology to save buildings from rising sea levels

BB1j8iW7.img?w=768&h=432&m=6

Strawbery Banke Museum is trying to find new ways to preserve its historic buildings and protect them. One building had its foundation replaced, which museum officials said was a tough call to make.

kbd512 · 2024-02-29 20:19:07

SpaceNut,

If polar bears are traveling to Mexico on ice bergs, then I'm convinced that the climate is changing.

SpaceNut · 2024-03-13 16:47:54

Another effect that is altering earth's climate
Scientists uncover 'deep' connection between Earth and Mars that goes back 2.4 million years

More follow up
Mars has a strange impact on Earth's climate, new research shows

Some think that global warming happens at the flick of a switch as if its weather, but we know that earth has been on a slow cycle for quite some time with change coming faster with man's zeal for more stuff.

kbd512 · 2024-03-13 17:00:41

SpaceNut,

If one of these lunatics is claiming that humans caused "climate change" on Mars billions of years ago, then I'm putting my foot down and calling BS on their obvious BS.

New Mars Forums

Announcement

#676 2023-06-23 07:27:17

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#677 2023-06-24 08:36:41

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#678 2023-07-06 21:31:36

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#679 2023-07-06 21:42:00

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#680 2023-08-05 08:23:18

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#681 2023-08-06 18:31:57

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#682 2023-08-10 17:52:03

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#683 2023-10-03 18:43:41

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#684 2023-10-25 20:12:53

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#685 2023-11-14 19:26:21

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#686 2023-11-15 00:52:38

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#687 2023-11-15 06:18:05

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#688 2023-11-18 13:54:17

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#689 2023-11-23 18:28:00

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#690 2023-11-24 18:51:49

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#691 2023-12-20 11:21:46

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#692 2023-12-20 11:52:05

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#693 2023-12-24 20:55:55

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#694 2024-01-21 12:52:35

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#695 2024-02-17 12:27:07

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#696 2024-02-25 15:14:37

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#697 2024-02-29 17:19:45

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#698 2024-02-29 20:19:07

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#699 2024-03-13 16:47:54

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

#700 2024-03-13 17:00:41

Re: When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

Board footer