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#426 2019-06-27 20:11:56

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Re: When Science becomes perverted by Politics.

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The Lightyear One 'Solar Car' Is Amazing But Isn't Quite What You Think It Is

https://electrek.co/2019/06/25/lightyea … car-range/

Some people will buy anything flashy..

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#427 2019-07-01 18:11:52

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Re: When Science becomes perverted by Politics.

Reasons for Alaska-is-Hot-and-on-Fire

Record and near-record heat swept the Last Frontier over the weekend, with stations across the state’s interior recording daily highs of close to 90 degrees Fahrenheit on Saturday. On Sunday, temperatures rose to 92 degrees in Northway near the state’s Yukon border, smashing the all-time heat record set in 1942. Temperatures in Anchorage peaked at a comparably balmy 82, which still marked the capital city’s hottest day in three years.

Ouch RobertDyck had said that he was seeing elevated temperatures as well....

Yet there is a report of snow and ice falling in Guadalajara digs out from more than 4 feet of hail

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#428 2019-07-05 13:02:34

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Re: When Science becomes perverted by Politics.

A simple solution I do not think is possible to the global warming effects but Can Planting Trees Solve Climate Change?
where should we be planting them..

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methane releases
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#429 2019-07-05 21:16:29

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Planting trees certainly doesn't hurt.  It's pretty much always a good idea to have more of them.

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#430 2019-07-06 15:13:19

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Here is the latest therory in ICE melt in that magnetic materials are to blame.. So somehow we are creating dust particles that are magnetic which seem to only be landing on the ICE of the artics and antartica.....carbon soot which seem more likely....

https://www.wired.com/story/magnetic-ma … ice-melts/

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#431 2019-07-06 17:25:15

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SpaceNut,

Before there were ever any humans to blame everything on, how do you suppose the world went through multiple ice ages and warm periods?

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#432 2019-07-14 19:00:22

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Something to make note of
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Both poles are walking but at different rates so that means that the center of the earth is above the currie temperature at which he magnetic field breaks down.

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#433 2019-08-28 16:26:11

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The viking naming of the new world explorations seem to be going the other way with the old joke of ice land being snow covered while Greenland was free of it with meadows and fields of green...Seems they might have been seeing the future states of these places.
The rapid decrease of the ice means sea water rising and lots of storms due to the fresh water seeding the clouds.

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#434 2019-08-31 16:45:39

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Oldfart1939 wrote:

In response to the previous post--it is really beyond NASA's mission statement to be monitoring Earth's climate; this is more in the purview of NOAA. The "climate change" school of thought has been based on incomplete and faulty computer modelling, which ignores such features as sunspot activity and slight changes in Earth's orbital inclination. Also ignores effects of cosmic ray background intensity on cloud formation. Latest NASA statements indicate Earth is entering a period of Global Cooling, similar to the Maunder Minimum of late 1600's.

I think that Nasa gets used to help in the designs of satelites and launching for several groups simular to the many telescopes that are being used in orbit for science.

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#435 2019-09-01 21:17:18

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https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/r … index.html
Scientists and designers are proposing radical ways to 'refreeze' the Arctic

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iceberg-making submarines.

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#436 2019-09-01 22:23:48

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SpaceNut,

Merely because I like the idea of ships, or submarines in this case, making icebergs- the bane of ocean going vessels since before the Titanic, I'm willing to throw a few billion of our tax dollars at this particular idea just to see what happens.

What could possibly go wrong? smile

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#437 2019-09-02 21:48:05

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For those who think Americans can all go back to living like we did in 1905 and somehow prevent global warming from reaching 1.5C:

China’s power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power plants by 2030

In its review of the government’s five-year-plan, China Electricity Council (CEC) – the influential industry body representing China’s power industry – recommended adopting a ‘cap’ for coal power capacity by 2030 — but the 1300GW limit proposed is 290GW higher than current capacity. The target is for the country’s coal-fired capacity to continue to grow until peaking in 2030.

The cap would enable China to build 2 large coal power stations a month for the next 12 years, and grow the country’s capacity by an amount nearly twice the size of Europe’s total coal capacity.

If this happens it could single-handedly end any chance of keeping global warming below 1.5C, and also conflicts with the 2C target, with even a conservative analysis of the goal requiring that China cut its coal capacity by roughly 200GW by 2030.

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#438 2019-09-03 00:16:20

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China is building new coal burning plants with supercritical boilers.  These have efficiency of 45% and are replacing older units with efficiency less than 30%.  The Chinese economy is built on the premise of manufacturing of bulk commodity grade products at a lower price than the rest of the world; something that requires a lot of cheap electricity.  The economy is therefore intolerant of high electricity prices.

In recent years, Chinese coal mines have been closing because coal prices have been too low for them to remain profitable.  Higher labour costs and depletion are eating away at the profitability of the industry.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2016/06/20/c … s-problem/

They are mining as much coal as the rest of the world combined, but have only 13% of global reserves.  Somethings got to give.  I seriously believe that the only reason the Chinese are bothering to build new coal burning power plants, is that they cannot expand their nuclear power capacity rapidly enough.  I think they understand the net energy problem all too well and are doing everything they can to move away from a fossil fuel energy base.

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Interested in space science, engineering and technology.

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#439 2019-09-03 17:39:02

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Its not the coal that really is the issue as much as the soot that floats to the northern ice packs which change the level of reflectiveness to one of heat obsorbtion that is causing the worlds ice to melt. The CO2 is an effect that is measured and not the only cause for the temperature rises.

Stability of Earth's climate depends on Amazonia

A forest that is burning
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#440 2019-09-04 19:50:09

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#441 2019-09-07 16:25:57

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Calliban,

The "something that's got to give" that you referenced are the energy supplies that the Chinese are planning to extract from Africa.  You don't think they're in Africa because they love going on Safari, do you?

Eventually, the Chinese will start buying coal from the US and other countries, especially if we're not using it.  In case anyone is naive enough to think otherwise, if the Chinese must do so, they'll start wars to obtain the energy they require.

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#442 2019-10-02 17:55:00

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