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#1676 2020-05-21 13:49:17

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Re: Politics

GW,

My point was that creating back pressure in the exhaust means more pumping power is required.  Increasing back pressure is one of the effects of the new emissions equipment.  In practice, that means burning more fuel to power the air pump.  Anything you can do to reduce back pressure losses either saves fuel or produces more power at the same fuel flow rate.  If fuel economy is of utmost importance, then decrease the back pressure, cool the intake charge to increase its density (so you can produce the same power with less displacement), and run the pump at low rpm to reduce friction and pumping losses.  That said, I'm sure you already knew that.

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#1677 2020-05-21 15:52:29

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Unless you want to make all the modifications to your own vehicle we will never see them as gasoline makes them money.....

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#1678 2020-05-21 18:49:32

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Well,  in cars,  the cat converters are not much of a backpressure producer anymore.  It could not be allowed to happen that way,  and still meet the fleet mileage standards.  And for exactly the reason Kbd512 cites.  So they designed low-restriction cat converters.

Backpressure is just not much of a problem anymore.  Not unless they get clogged up with soot,  which also kills the catalyst.  It's a bigger risk with diesels than gasoline,  this soot-clogging risk.   That's inherent to the diesel cycle,  using heavy hydrocarbon fuel.

The intake cooling advantage to engine efficiency is limited by fuel vaporization.  There has to be an intake "hot spot" somewhere to achieve adequate vaporization.  Without vaporization,  there is no burning.  At all.  Doesn't matter if the incoming air is cold,  if there is no burning.

And with intake valve port-type fuel injection,  you do NOT get the cooling effect of the fuel vaporization that you do achieve.  Instead,  you get better,  more even fuel distribution,  leading to better mixing as long as there is combustion chamber "squish" to drive the turbulence. That intake charge cooling stuff went away with carburetors and with throttle-body fuel injection.  Port-type fuel injection is nearly 5 decades old now.

There is some compression heating to help with vaporization,  but it simply is not enough.  It never has been enough.  That is why ALL engines have an intake manifold hot spot.  Somewhere.  That's been true since before the model T.  Airplanes,  too,  (Lycoming routes the entire intake manifold through the hot oil sump).

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#1679 2020-05-22 16:16:58

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#1680 2020-05-22 16:22:17

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That's quite funny,  Spacenut!  I like it!

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#1681 2020-05-22 19:10:31

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#1682 2020-05-22 19:32:56

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I did get a good laugh kbd512 at its content...
Its got to be updated thou...

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#1683 2020-05-31 21:01:58

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There are now protests worldwide over the murder of George Floyd. Protests in countries that couldn't care less what happens in the US, so why? This doesn't look like a random event. What happened to George Floyd demonstrated systemic problems in the US, but these protests in other countries are not reasonable. Why? This looks like a foreign actor. My first suspect is the new Russian replacement of the KGB, whatever they're called. There were a lot of reports of CIA involvement with Euromaidan Revolution in Ukraine 2014. Russia has annexed Crimea and invaded east Ukraine. They're the one willing to take such provocative action. Is it them, or someone else?

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#1684 2020-05-31 21:19:42

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For RobertDyck re #1683

Thank you for the insight that foreign actors may be contributing to the chaos!

One tiny bit of information I've picked up recently is that some rioters have removed license plates from vehicles they use to enter the riot area.

Until you suggested foreign agents might be helping to stir the pot, I had not thought of it.  It sure does make sense, if fomenting discord in the US makes sense.

The air was laden with the aroma of downtown dumpster fires this morning, and I found a large (hand sized) piece of fire blackened debris in my yard.

That debris had to have been carried over a mile by westerlies.

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#1685 2020-05-31 21:37:29

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News reports that the actors are not local to the arrest location and that those whom want things to change are not confronting the police but are moving back when pushed back but not the instigators.

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#1686 2020-05-31 22:09:09

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So how do you like it when the old world rapes the new world?  I understand that it is not your fault.  It is a portion of my analysis.

I am much closer to ground zero than you might have though, but have removed myself to another place.

I hate the ways of the old world, all of them.

To burn cities over the death one man. (A trial is needed before murder should be pronounced). Even if it was filmed, a trial is required.

All the burning of the works of the ancestors for this stupid old world left and right wing thinking.

The demonstrators who give them shielding should be ashamed of themselves for the rest of their lives.

Too many strange things happening in sequence.  I don't think it is one bad foreign actor, probably an assortment of them.

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#1687 2020-06-01 02:36:38

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Russia did this, Russia did that... Russia does everything, don't they. Must be Dark Lord Putin's magical powers.

If you're going to spread baseless conspiracy theories, get a bit more variety. Blame China too. Heck, why not blame India and France and Argentina whilst you're at it?


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#1688 2020-06-01 09:06:18

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Hello Terraformer, feeling hostile? smile

I will demonstrate what I really believe, not the simple model that you threw out as bait.

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#1689 2020-06-01 09:07:11

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For Terraformer re #1687

Thank you for a healthy dose of skepticism about the possibility that Vladimir Putin was able to resist the temptation to unleash his small army of Internet trolls to disrupt the United States, and other democracies.

Your remarks are a reminder (to me at least) that Mr. Putin is a master of deception, a fully vetted officer of the KBG, and now the master of a nation of many millions of people and vast resources of both material wealth and human capability.

I'm sure Mr. Putin would like nothing better than to have defenders around the world to protest his innocence until proven guilty.

After all, that is how a master spy operates ... in the shadows, and under the protections of democratic institutions.

Good for you! You put your finger on the heart of the issue.

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#1690 2020-06-01 09:10:55

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Your comments are noted (th).

1) I am going to talk about civilization and specialization.

2) The interactions between the U.K. and North America, and the historical interactions within the nations.

3) I will talk about slavery, and defend the west about it.  I will criticize the old world, because it is too specialized, and generates more tyrants.  Or if you like, Alpha humans that are specialized in ruling without public permissions.

1) I am going to talk about civilization and specialization.
About #1, I will quote an author if I can find the reference.  A Sci-fi author I have gotten ideas from.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Specializ … a0f559d9de
Quote:

Heinlein

Heinlein – Specialization is for Insects. A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure,...

During WWII, the Nazi, (I will not continue to blame the Germans), gave orders to not kill American officers.  The reason is that that when they did kill high ranking American officers, then lower ranking ones would develop more effective tactics against their forces.  I believe that that was the result of high officers being too specialized as Alpha's without creativity.  They were not as creative, because they did not have a broad enough understating of reality.

In my opinion it is the nature of an alpha to rise in power with the spoken language, and to be able to demonstrate abilities in killing, but they often are too rigid, and not adaptive.  This comes from civilization.  Alpha's from what I have read, actually are more feminine in their thinking, this helps them to be leaders.  I have read that the chiefs of a tribe often have such leadership.  It only makes sense, as half of their tribes members are female.  But a chief is not a warrior.  And many of the officers would have risen in ranks before the war, so being proficient in warfare was not instilled in them, in true battle.  The lower ranks, often would have had more up front awareness of what it really is.

I will continue with the benefits/curses of Civilization.
Before cities, people could not as much specialize.  Most of them were hunter/gatherers of some type.  They likely had their alphas, but those would not have been so isolated from the conditions of subsistence than what can occur in civilization.

When farming appeared, then cities could also occur, and empires.  There is a certain amount of efficiency that occurs in those conditions.

The founders of civilizations would, in my opinion, be brilliant generalist geniuses, because they would have come from a more generalized heritage.

But as time went by both genetically and culturally a specialist ruling class would arrive.  I defend the use of genetics, because similar to wolves to dogs, we can see that although a dog is a dog we have many working examples of how a type of dog as a helper animal (not a pet), could preform different tasks useful to humans.  Humans though to a great degree, are their alphas.

So for humans in civilizations, I believe that city and empire, allows a selective breeding of people who are proficient in language and people manipulation, and who are able to direct armies for the domination of empire, and it's expansion.

This part might be hard to accept, but if you look at the world, their are apparent to me two trends.  Where civilizations first occurred, we have greater examples of where it is very hard to find so called democracy.  The other trend is for skilled and generalist people to leave the tyrannies, if they can and go elsewhere.  I might make the case that the North Atlantic of Europe, and North America, seem to be more greatly capable of having the representative Republics or Constitutional Monarchies.  I actually think that the answer for humanity is to have a mix of both.  Neither of them does everything well, but under reasonable thinking they can help each other.

Their are other places which have succeeded to varying degrees recently to begin the path I like.  Latin America, and India are two that show some promise.  They, in my opinion likely do not have an oversupply of alphas, and so instead of the alpha's being able to kill off their generalists, they seem to have some potential.

In a civilization, it is my opinion that their is a tendency of alphas, to jealously take everything, and so to impoverish the skilled generalists to the degree that they are killed out of that society.

The Oil powers have actually been cursed by that wealth that the alpha's could seize, so as to own the whole situation, and to propagate more little princes at the expense of other types that are useful, in the production of wealth.

It is the "Too many chiefs, not enough braves" type of situation.  A society can use alphas, to order things, but those need to have a broader scope of skills, to run the situation well, and so they end up poor, unless, they can seize some wealth and do not need to have any other skills except language, and running a military of some kind.

2) The interactions between the U.K. and North America, and the historical interactions within the nations.
Before I ruffle your feathers, I need some protection.

Alistair Cooke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Cooke
Perhaps you will consider that he was one of your own?
Anyway though the tele, he told me what I am going to say.  I did not invent it.

A story of British industrialization.  In the south the gentry, wanted nothing to do with industry.  They held in contempt, they were large land holders.  That is all they wanted.  They were mostly Anglican.  The had colleges, where I presume they learned dead languages, so they could impress each other.  I presume that they had some kind of hired help to work the land.  Not so deferent than an oil state.  They held an asset by force, which is typical, and I don't complain. they gave birth to us.

The other religious sects were not allowed in their colleges, and did not hold land, so they had to work in industry, and set up technical schools.  And so had some power that way, and a way to survive.

And when North America became available many of them came here, and stimulated industrialization.

I hope that the lines of capable generalist technological people will eventually move to space.  If necessary to leave the stupid alphas behind.  But the alphas will follow, as we are their food.  smile

And it then continues, I hope.  Maybe somehow there will eventually be a cure for excessive alphas.  Maybe not so much, but the harshness of the space environments will favor peoples of a like mind that are not excessively alpha.  For sure, knowing a dead language will not be that useful in environments that require technology for the populations to survive.

If you want one reason why we are not getting into space as much as we might want, it would be that the alphas don't want us to run off of their plantations.  But I think we will. smile

3) I will talk about slavery, and defend the west about it.  I will criticize the old world, because it is too specialized, and generates more tyrants.  Or if you like, Alpha humans that are specialized in ruling without public permissions.

The story of slavery as told be me, from information I have gathered over time:

Slavery might have existed in some form with hunter/gatherers.  Perhaps people from other tribes.  But I think it would not be that much of a paying situation.  Just keeping them under control, when they could most likely sneak off into the wilderness?  Probably more trouble than it would be worth.

But when cities and so called civilization occurred, then slavery became possible, from specialization, and perhaps conquest of other types you held in contempt for their nationality.  Or maybe just capturing existing tribal peoples.

This is interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Abductions

And so it is apparent that at some time a collection of Europeans wanted to get into the sugar cane business.  As I recall reading, it was English, French, Italian, and Greek individuals.  I think I got that right from my memory.

They wanted to get slaves from the Ukraine, but the Turks would not allow it.  Probably did not want to allow Europeans into the business.
They intended to farm on Cyprus, I seem to recall.

So, since they could not get Slavic Slaves, they turned to the Arabs, and got black slaves.

The Arabs were well into black slavery.  The Europeans involved with this would be on the level of people we might hold in contempt now, but they do not appear to have been under the control of any nation.  Mafia, or people traffickers, or slave owners.  Contempt for them is correct in my opinion.

Apparently they had success, and then black slavery spread to the new world.  That I am not entirely sure of.  Anyway, if you look at black slavery, it was like a cancer in my opinion.  They could get land make blacks work it for them, and make money so they could get more land.

I am aware that the UK got rid of slavery first.  But in North America, the people who did not deal with slaves did not want it because in those days such people that worked family farms wanted land, and did not want to compete with cheep slave labor.

And so, that was a factor in the Civil War.

Do you see a pattern here?  Westerners wanted to get rid of the slave plantation methods.

While it took some time but then Westerners helped to get rid of it in Africa.  But not entirely it would seem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

So the story of slavery in this country is told falsely in my opinion.

Sherman I believe intended to kill a large number of Slavery alpha's.  That was the intention.  They were idle cruel scum.  And they did kill a lot of them off.

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#1691 2020-06-01 10:39:56

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And so the riots in my country, where there are various actors.  The bad ones are just alpha wannabees, and yes their heritage is from the old world.  That is my opinion.  Some of them have leaked into our country over time.  In many cases they should be killed I feel, if they don't stop.  And yes there may actually be foreign agents who see an advantage to encouraging disruption.  To humiliate us, and also to distract us while they do bad things around the world.

One of your former colonies is experiencing that now, I would suggest, as possible.

So, there. smile

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#1692 2020-06-01 11:04:02

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Terraformer wrote:

Russia did this, Russia did that... Russia does everything, don't they. Must be Dark Lord Putin's magical powers.

If you're going to spread baseless conspiracy theories, get a bit more variety. Blame China too. Heck, why not blame India and France and Argentina whilst you're at it?

Ok. China has stated their intent to be the next superpower. Centuries ago they were the world dominating superpower, they want to be again. COVID-19 came from Wuhan, the location of China's only level 4 virology lab. And China has admitted to possessing 3 strains of Novel Coronavirus in that lab. Yet I'm supposed to believe it didn't come from there? This virus appears perfectly designed to destroy the economies of the Western world. Furthermore, the response to the virus has been disproportional, causing more damage than the virus itself. China tried to hide it, and lied to the WHO about its effects. They claimed it doesn't pass person-to-person when it clearly does. Is this a biological warfare agent deliberately released on the world?

On the other hand, why would China release a biological warfare agent on their own city? And the specific location of their own lab? That doesn't make sense. They took drastic measures to contain it. China has been highly cooperative with the world regarding the disease. Well, much more than China usually is. Is this something they were working on, but got out accidentally? Is this one faction in China fighting another faction? Is China behind the world protests? Or did some other country release the virus, and started in Wuhan to set up China as the fall-guy?

Too much is happening to believe it's just accident or coincidence.

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#1693 2020-06-01 11:12:43

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Here's a question. How do we stop the violence in the US? Martin Luther King succeeded in making significant change with peaceful protests alone; no violence, no looting. I watched a news report last night of the protests in L.A., there were 3 clearly separate groups: peaceful protesters, looters, and protesters with riot shields and helmets ready to start violence. Could we organize the peaceful protests so police do not have to focus there, instead let police focus on looting. If peaceful protesters can trust that police will not attack them then protesters with riot shields and helmets and weapons (Molotov cocktail, etc) don't have to bring weapons. And if peaceful protesters can be trusted not to become violent, then far fewer police are required there, allowing police to focus on looters.

But that isn't going to happen as long as people believe the police officer who committed murder is going to get off. Last time a police officer choked a victim to death was 2014: Eric Garner, "I can't breathe". Exactly the same words from the victim. Police officers in that case got off. Citizens believe the police officers in this case will get off as well. How do you assure them that the police officer will be convicted of murder? Charging just one of them and not charging others, charging that one with "third degree" murder, is not a good start.

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#1694 2020-06-01 14:08:35

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I have no solution for justice for the man.  I do not sit in a high chair.  Sorry about that.  I believe that the character of my genetic heritage, usually allows me to get by.  Not my skin, rather, my manners.  I do say sir when it is needed.  I am a domesticated breed.  Some others are wild, and get more noticed.  I can't fix that.  But I will agree that race is a problem, as if a certain type will excite the immune system, then woe onto them.  And I don't like that, but I cannot fix it.  I am a very small person.

Lets keep it in mind that some of this trouble may be due to the anxiety from the Coronavirus, and financial strains.

We have partially lost our ability to work with symbolic violence.  I think the fault is from many places.  I can't fix that either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_violence

But I know that if people who wish to demonstrate (Symbolic violence), allow themselves to be human shields, and do not turn over those who are doing real violence, in the end the "Romans" will come, and that will not be pretty.

We were after all asked to judge them by "The content of their character".  Rough business.  My instinct is to hide.  This is pretty bad.

I am not really qualified to be a judge at all, but in the end you must look things over and make a choice.  However I see that so many around the world want to judge us.  Awaiting hell at the judgement many people will point fingers at someone else.  I am not amused.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordi … _of_Crowds

As I recall, a crowd of idiots is an idiot.  A crowd of geniuses, is an idiot.

That is what I have for you in response.

Done.

Oh well this is easy for me to say, not so easy to do.  In the center of the garden were two trees.  The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.  Be carful about pronouncing oneself as good, as you can never be as good as God, so as a result are evil.

Choose life instead.

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#1695 2020-06-01 14:23:19

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Void, that sounds like racism and classism all wrapped together. I'm white,but grew up in the blue collar side of a railroad town. My father was a welder but grew up on a farm in a religious community. Although I always tried to be a gentleman, many treated me with prejudice anyway. If you think you have "breading" then you're part of the problem.

This latest mess was started by police officers who think they're better than their victim, believed it was acceptable to behave as a character from a comic book and kill him. This isn't the first time this happened; every other time the perpetrator got off without consequences. Those in authority who think they're better than everyone else decided the perpetrators would get off. That means they're below the common man. Because those who consider themselves to be "authority" consider themselves better, that's exactly what makes them animals.

These extreme protests are happening because American citizens do not believe the government will punish the criminals. This has to stop, because the lives of hundreds of Americans are lost every year. Didn't I post statistics? More then 900 killed by police every year? This isn't about just one man.

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#1696 2020-06-01 14:36:09

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Void wrote:

As I recall, a crowd of idiots is an idiot.  A crowd of geniuses, is an idiot.

So which is Congress? They're a crowd.

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#1697 2020-06-01 15:01:18

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Oh no!  They are the most wise!  And yes sir-e. smile


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#1698 2020-06-01 16:10:54

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RobertDyck you saw correct for the three factions that were present just not at the same time or groupings in the protest. It's the inequity of not just race that is fueling some but its the violence of the outliers that are there for a different cause that is the problem. Then the rhetoric that is coming from the president that is inciting some to violence.

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#1699 2020-06-01 17:16:02

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Ok. In post #1693 I asked for a leader for peaceful protests. In the 1960s we had Martin Luther King. How's this...
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That is very nice.

It seems profane for me to even post, but I will.

Some time ago I lived on Lake Street in Minneapolis.  I know it well.  That is where the idiots burned and looted.

There would be men peeing in my sisters back alley.  I lived with her.

At one point I was traveling lake street, and a black girl rear ended me.  My car died, I restarted it and tried to pull over to the side to talk.  She then rear ended me again.  So then we had a conversation, of course I was dazed and confused.  I don't so much remember the conversation, but she started talking about bringing her boyfriend in to the situation.  I did not want to meet her boyfriend.  So I guess I just gave up and drove a way.  I do have problems in my neck, but they are mostly quiet.  I can manage it.  Some stretches help.  It is not very bad.

So, it was a very messed up place.

Much more recently I made some nice contacts with people who were, I presume by my eyesight to be black.  Or whatever.

One I will call J, worked as a bouncer at concerts.  He was quite heavy but strong.  He was working to become a paramedic.  I certainly think that is good.  He had a very silly laugh you could hear all over the gym.

Another one I will call T.  He was well structured and seemed quite intelligent.  He was respectful, and I think we got on good.

And then there was a young lady, who had a silly giggle laugh.  Very pretty.  I can't understand why she was interested in interacting with me at all.  But she was a cute young lady.

People like those are just great.

People who pee in the ally, and rear end my car twice.  If I was a cop and had to deal with people like that day after day, I guess I might go a bit insane.  But it would not allow for killing them.

Now I have taken a chance and revealed myself.  But trust me I don't live near the pee place and the rear ending place.  Have not for some time.


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