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SpaceNut · 2018-07-10 19:29:40

The pardons for crimes have been quite the standard for Trump and this is more of the same... Heroes or criminals? Trump pardons 2 Oregon ranchers father and son who were convicted of intentionally setting fires on public land in Oregon.

The fire burned 139 acres (56 hectares) of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations, the U.S. attorney's office said.

Not land they own so it is a crime with disregard to law, placed firefighters and others lives in jeopardy.

Wow....

SpaceNut · 2018-07-18 17:59:10

Sen. Ben Sasse says it's "Trump-first policy rather than America-first policy" after Putin summit to play out, leaving many people "scratching their heads" and questioning why Mr. Trump is siding with a known adversary of the United States.

Former FBI Director James Comey is urging "all who believe in this country's values" to vote Democratic

As the Republican-held Congress is "incapable of fulfilling the Founders' design." "This was the day an American president stood on foreign soil next to a murderous lying thug and refused to back his own country. Patriots need to stand up and reject the behavior of this president,"

kbd512 · 2018-07-18 18:20:06

SpaceNut,

It's good to know that McCarthyism is alive and well in the 21st century thanks to the very real politi-criminals who support the Democrat Party. Patriots don't accuse their President of crimes without evidence, but the conniving seditious little cretins that infest our government these days seem to make a habit of that. That murderous lying thug (Putin) has killed far fewer innocent civilians than our own government has, but I guess that's a minor detail to a political partisan who wants to overthrow a duly elected government official.

SpaceNut · 2018-07-18 20:27:28

What do you call these Putin related deaths:
https://mashable.com/2016/03/11/mysteri … n-critics/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/worl … -fire.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor … ious-ways/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor … 100480734/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j … _in_Russia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … alist.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin … story.html
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- … ent-554410

No need to reply...its ok

There is so much false and misleading titles out there

SpaceNut · 2018-07-18 21:23:52

The question I have is about the 2 secret service men that died oversea while in the UK, was this an attemp to get Trump as well?

kbd512 · 2018-07-18 21:45:50

SpaceNut,

So the pot would like to inform the kettle that it is black.

How many civilians did we kill in Iraq and Afghanistan with "shock and awe"?

What are the most conservative estimates for the number of people we've bombed there?

How about that hospital we bombed in Afghanistan with our own people in it?

Putin kills his people with poison or by beating them to death. We like to shoot people. We launch Hellfire missiles at people who piss us off, including our own people after we label them terrorists. If anyone really pisses us off, we'll drop a JDAM on them. If anyone else happened to be where they shouldn't be, well... Stuff happens.

In the military, we call JDAM's "precision weapons". As far as the CEP for the designated target is concerned, that's pretty much true if everything works properly. However, I can assure you from personal observation of a drop that a Mark 84 doesn't care who you are, what involvement you may or may not have with the combatants, if any, nor what kind of uniform you're wearing. If you're within a block or so, you might have a really bad day.

As far as the number of Russians that their leadership kills... Why do we care how many Russians the Russians kill? Are we in any danger of running out of them? Are you worried that he might kill all of them and then you'll have to find someone else to blame for losing elections?

If Putin kills enough of his own people and pisses someone off who just doesn't care or has nothing left to lose, I can tell you that that works both ways. He strikes me as a bit of an amateur at this international politicking game. His claim to fame was lifting an unclassified military manual ("foo-you") off a Corporal or Sergeant in the US Army during the Cold War. After that, he started stealing from his own people and never stopped.

elderflower · 2018-07-19 03:55:47

Russia has reverted to autocracy under Czar Vladimir. Hard luck, Russians! We in the West need to guard against the current Czar's adventurism that exploits and seeks to widen any cracks in our network of alliances which were set up to protect against a somewhat similar but even less well managed, previous Russian empire.
None of this detracts from the requirement that our leaders should comply with the laws of the country which they lead. If there is suspicion that they have not, the circumstances must be investigated. Otherwise our democracies will go the way of the brief democratic flowering in Russia.

kbd512 · 2018-07-19 09:27:40

The day that Piers Morgan realized that these leftists were utterly clueless about what the people they voted for did with their power, were equally clueless about why they were protesting against President Trump, and had no message to deliver, except "I hate Trump".

Piers Gets Into a Fiery Debate Over Trump's UK Visit | Good Morning Britain

In Rules for Radicals, the price for a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Unfortunately, leftists have no constructive alternatives. The leftist media likes putting their clueless foot soldiers on TV to advocate for their causes because they're impervious to math and logic. If you deconstruct their faulty logically, unsupportable assertions, or personal beliefs about things they clearly know nothing about, they're just chanting slogans and calling other people names.

SpaceNut · 2018-07-19 19:26:26

It is always hard to get to the enemy when they hide within the civilian population but that is what happens with conflicts of war actions and is quite a bit of egg on our faces when we do miss the real targets and get something else.

Comparing acts of violence commited on Russian soil to that of war conflicts are not the same.

kbd512 · 2018-07-19 21:28:38

SpaceNut,

After we kill a few tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of the "wrong people" in two wars spanning more than a decade, then when the Russians kill a few dozen of their own people in their own internal power struggles, can you see how other nations or even some in this nation might wonder at why we're even comparing those two acts in the grand scheme of things?

The cold blooded killing of other people, either through specific intent or with complete indifference to who happened to be present is always wrong, no matter who does it.

At best, Russia's government is presently a neighborhood bully with a glass jaw. We fought against the Nazis with their people in WWII. We economically destroyed their communist government after WWII. By the end, they were starving to death and we spent billions of dollars to feed them. Eventually Putin will be gone and their military spending is already in free fall.

Did we not already make our point with them well enough?

What level of domination do you think is sufficient?

kbd512 · 2018-07-21 14:17:34

SpaceNut,

From your previous comments, I'm not sure you've paid much attention to what our government does over here. They kill anyone who remotely resembles a threat. That American we killed with a Hellfire missile launched from a Predator drone was in the desert in the middle of nowhere. Russia doesn't typically fire missiles at their own people. We'd carpet bomb someone with a squadron of B-52's if they caused us enough problems. This is what all governments (wishing to remain in power) will do. I've never seen an exception. A government is definitely NOT one man or one woman, either.

SpaceNut · 2018-07-21 18:38:57

The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010. Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed.

American drones have been sent to spy on or kill targets in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Somalia and Libya. Drones routinely patrol the Mexican border, and they provided aerial surveillance over Osama bin Laden’s compound...

Two U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA-Led Drone Strike

Not citizens any longer as the America-born militant killed in Yemen was a Senior Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki where the CIA and U.S. military were behind the air strike.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ … one-attack or http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/12/so … roops.html which both are for the same Predator Drone May Have Killed U.S. Troops in friendly-fire drone attack in Afghanistan after being mistaken for Taliban fighters by US troops.

So fault lies with US troops for misidentification of a Marine Staff Sergeant and Navy corpsman...always know your intended target....yes we were bad in this one and need to make amends to the families for doing so....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-were-t … e-strikes/ was total count of what transpired between the first and second article....

This statement shows why we need to know whom we are intending to hit as Drone Strikes Reveal Uncomfortable Truth: U.S. Is Often Unsure About Who Will Die called better intell or optics to assure what we hit is the enemy and not a freindly. This again is a total picture of the fight again with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISSIL.

SpaceNut · 2018-07-25 18:11:33

The Russian President Vladimir Putin’s gift of a soccer ball to U.S. President Donald Trump that keeps on listening... Putin’s Soccer Ball for Trump Had Transmitter Chip, Logo Indicates

The Adidas AG ball chip allows fans to access player videos, competitions and other content by bringing their mobile devices close to the ball. The feature is included in the 2018 FIFA World Cup match ball that’s sold on the Adidas website for $165 (reduced to $83 in the past week).

Where was the ball made?

SpaceNut · 2018-07-29 17:48:09

Gop Trump threatening to hold america hostage if full funding in not in this years budget for another government shutdown. So how much did he get last year and just how much of that wall was built with it?

Trump once again fails to reunite the seperated....

Regulations were the enemy for profits but the number of food recalls would say other wise.

SpaceNut · 2018-07-30 19:43:45

Senate Republicans included $1.6 billion for the first installment of President Trump’s border wall last year for “physical barriers” and border roads — matching Mr. Trump’s original request for money to build or repair fencing along 74 more miles of the U.S.-Mexico line.

Republican leader Mitch McConnell recently estimated it would cost up to $15 billion. Senate Democrats released a report last month estimating that it would cost about $70 billion to build, and $150 million a year to maintain.

There seems to be little or no progress on fixing and or anything resembling building something other than prototypes.

Trump ordered guards top the border and while some areas might have them there other locations are reporting that they are doing other non border work back off the line.

SpaceNut · 2018-08-03 18:54:48

Alejandra Juarez, the wife of a former Marine and Iraq War combat veteran who is set to be deported on Friday, has written a letter to President Donald Trump pleading with him to let her stay in the US. Juarez believed her husband's service and sacrifice might help shield her from deportation, but she has chosen to leave not in handcuffs as she says goodbye to her children, Pamela and Estela at the Orlando International Airport all because of a 2013 traffic stop. Trump's "zero tolerance" policy in action....

"My husband fought for this country three times. The administration, yourself, you think you are punishing me. You're not just punishing me," she said, referring to her family. "I hope this make him happy. And I really pray that God will forgive him."

Now a family split in two....

Terraformer · 2018-08-04 02:06:16

Do you have a link? Something that provides context?

kbd512 · 2018-08-25 18:17:40

The CIA isn't supposed to be in the business of investigating Americans, so they're either breaking their own rules or lying about what they know for political purposes, quite possibly a direct result of President Trump's criticism's of the agency's behavior before he took office. They were lying about WMD's in Iraq, but now they're good boys and girls because they lied about President Trump in a way that Democrats like? Please.

President Trump was under investigation for months before he ever knew he was under investigation. If the FBI found nothing to use during those months of investigation while the person they were surveilling had no idea he was under surveillance, then they knew he never committed any crimes related to "collusion" with the Russians. If he was caught doing something illegal and the FBI didn't take steps to stop it, then that should tell you how worthless the political appointees of the Obama Administration were at stopping criminal activities. Why would the American people want more worthless political appointees, like AG Lynch, failing or refusing to do their jobs?

This investigation is a sham, a farce, and a politically-motivated witch hunt because a Republican beat a Democrat and in modern America that's supposed to be impossible, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Since the various law enforcement agencies were filled with political appointees from the Obama Administration, they desperately want revenge for their spectacular defeat in the last Presidential Election.

Hillary Clinton knowingly and deliberately mishandled classified information, then lied about it, and the political appointees of the Obama Administration failed to do anything about it because they didn't like the optics of the blatantly obvious criminality of their star child while she was running for President. The American people were watching and saw right through that sham as well. For someone like myself or GW, if we ever mishandled classified information we would simply be prosecuted, tried, convicted, and sentenced to prison by our government without a second thought given to it. When you're a Democrat named Clinton or a cross-dressing former member of the US Army claiming to be a woman in a man's body, that same federal crime is ignored or pardoned.

I don't expect political partisans to accept any of this, but I do expect that our Justice Department simply doesn't care about which political party you belong to when they make decisions about evidence and the prosecution of federal crimes based upon available evidence.

When someone here actually presents tangible evidence, not anecdote / media fairy tale / personal belief about someone they personally dislike for their own personal reasons, that President Trump has committed a federal crime, then you'll find that I'm very receptive to prosecution of those crimes. If you can't do that, then you need to admit to yourself that you're just slinging mud at someone you don't like for your own personal reasons.

kbd512 · 2018-08-28 18:27:23

When you leave the government you're not supposed to have a security clearance because you no longer have a need to know, which is why you were given a security clearance to begin with.

SpaceNut · 2018-08-30 20:27:29

www.dami.army.pentagon.mil/site/PerSec/docs/Army%20Security%20Clearance%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
SECURITY CLEARANCES Frequently Asked Questions

https://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/s … xpire.html

A government security clearance requires a periodic reinvestigation every 15 years for a “confidential” clearance, every 10 years for “secret,” and every 5 years for “top secret.” When a clearance is inactivated (because of switching jobs or leaving the military), it can be fairly easy to reinstate within the first 24 months, as long as that falls within the periodic reinvestigation window. After that, it becomes significantly more difficult. In other words, if your clearance is going to lapse, it is important for you to consider some options to reactivate it within the first two years.

https://acp-advisornet.org/questions/2298

If you no longer require access to classified, you will be debriefed. Your record will remain in the DOD government database for two years. After the 2-year mark, if you require a clearance, a new investigation will have to be completed. A new investigation will also have to be completed if the current clearance is out of scope. 10-years DoD Collateral, 5-years DoD TS or other unique accesses. The good news is at that time OPM will forward your record electronically and you can update the record. I will still highly recommend you you keep a copy of the E-Quip investigation for record.

SpaceNut · 2018-09-01 13:24:04

Something that should be done for all states as no one is above the law. California abolishes cash bail, aiming to treat rich and poor defendants equally

California has abolished bail as a condition of pretrial release, a controversial move to address inequities in the justice system that have often allowed those with personal wealth to walk free while poor defendants, unable to pay, have been incarcerated.

kbd512 · 2018-09-02 14:46:34

SpaceNut,

There shouldn't be any bail granted for violent crimes, irrespective of how much money you have. For misdemeanors, it's an utter waste of valuable tax payer money and government resources to incarcerate people and fill our jails with people who steal clothes from shopping malls or college kids who smoke dope when there are muggers, rapists, and murderers who are set free simply because it's their first offense or they have lots of money. As always, guilt or innocence is determined by trial in a court of law, not a court of public opinion. However, people suspected of violent crimes frequently commit other crimes when freed on bail and that fact needs to be considered and weighed against protecting the public from people suspected of violent crimes. Anyway, if California adopted that sort of reasoning system for determining who can be released from custody and who can't, I would applaud such a system.

RobertDyck · 2018-09-02 15:09:58

kbd512,

Although I agree with much of what you just posted, I have to disagree with leniency for people who steal clothes from shopping malls. Shop-lifting is a serious crime. It costs us all money because stores have to increase prices to pay for stolen merchandise, and those who get away with theft will become ever more brazen. They will escalate to house break-and-enter, car theft, etc.

In fact, I argue for stiffer penalties for trafficking in stolen goods, and possession of stolen goods. This includes those why buy goods on Kijiji or eBay or something else. It even includes yard sales. If you buy stolen goods, you are the source of money that criminals depend on. Cut the money off at the source, punish those who buy stolen goods.

::Edit:: In support of above, require all manufactured goods to include a serial number. And include the serial number on the cash register receipt. That means the buyer has a document with positive identification as soon as you buy it. All you have to do is keep your cash register receipts. The serial number could be included in the bar code so that cash registers would not only have the Universal Product Code (UPC) that the cash register looks up in a database for price, it also has the serial number that can be printed on the receipt. And the serial number would be included in the store's records, for as long as they keep cash register receipts.

Last edited by RobertDyck (2018-09-02 15:13:34)

Terraformer · 2018-09-02 16:09:41

Not sending people to prison for non-violent crimes isn't leniency, it's common sense. The punishment should fit the crime. Fines and community service should suffice for minor theft.

SpaceNut · 2018-09-02 17:27:39

As RobertDyck indicated crimes that are beyond the scope of violent ones but most should as well not get bail as most of these are repeat offenders and the already low level of bail, penalty have not deterred them from doing it again. I would agree with unknown serialization number for manufacturing to be able to trace stolen goods but we do have them now and the police almost never return what was taken when you know that it has them. ex automobiles....

There are also what are called victumless crimes that are also just not so and should also not get bail....

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