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Calliban · 2024-02-15 16:43:41

UK councils are now compulsory purchasing UK homes that they judge to be derelict, in order to house 'asylum seeker' third world islamic colonists that decide to arrive uninvited on our shores.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L4taLHtNzoc

Just how much worse could things get? When local government can sieze your property on such a flimsy precept, do property rights actually exist? The British government has become a disgrace that is despised by the British people. It doesn't even pretend to advocate for its own people anymore. It is openly abusive.

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SpaceNut · 2024-02-15 18:48:11

House Won’t Pass Stopgap to Avoid Shutdown, Key Republican Says to avert a partial government shutdown when the latest deadline expires on March 1

kbd512 · 2024-02-15 19:03:45

clark,

Being American
You're still poking at strawmen here. Being American quite literally has nothing to do with where you're originally from. It has everything to do with how you think and act. I can't recall anyone claiming otherwise. I know that I've never made such a claim.

Democrat Party Loyalty to American Citizens
The Democrat Party politicians who run the City of San Francisco wouldn't clean up the streets of their once-beautiful city for the sake of their fellow Americans. Cleaning up the streets was apparently no problem at all when President Xinping paid them a visit. Why do they care about what the steets look like when a communist dictator is in town? The most obvious answer is that impressing the leader of a foreign country, which is openly hostile to America, was more important than doing right by their own fellow citizens. Regardless of political affiliations or personal feelings, we should be able to agree that the reason people take a dump in toilets is a function of basic sanitation.

Does the Democrat Party have candidates to vote for who think what American streets look like shouldn't be predicated on whether we're hosting a communist dictator as our guest?

Immigration
Respect is a two-way street. If immigrants want to be treated as equals, then don't sneak across our border in the middle of the night, refuse to show up for your immigration hearing after being caught, and then expect Americans to view you as the law abiding citizen that you're clearly not. That describes about half of all these illegal immigrants. Those who are truly fleeing from oppression and thuggery tend to be pretty emphatic about making their case, and 3 times as many people are deported for never bothering to show up to their hearing, as opposed to those granted asylum at their hearing, more or less confirming who the true asylum seekers are. Showing up is at least half of life. If you don't show up when it's a matter of life or death, there's little reason to think you'll show up for all the little things that prevent a civilized society from descending into chaos and tyranny.

1. 43 percent of all aliens free pending trial failed to appear for court in 2017.
2. Since 1996, 37 percent of all aliens free before trial disappeared from court.
3. Aliens abscond from court more often today than they did before 9/11.
4. Deportation orders for failing to appear in court exceed deportation orders from cases that were tried by 306 percent.
5. 46 percent of all unaccompanied children disappeared from U.S. immigration courts from 2013 through 2017.
6. 49 percent of unaccompanied children failed to appear in U.S. immigration courts in 2017.

Those were all the people that US Immigration and Customs Enforcement actually knew were in the US.

If I were you, I'd work on a narrative that did a better job of supporting your feelings-based argument. I hope your argument is not that anyone should be allowed to come to America for any reason, and that they don't need our government's permission to do so. If that argument doesn't fly anywhere else, then it doesn't work here, either. If I don't get to travel into Mexico or Canada without the permission of their governments, then people from other countries don't get to come to America, through Mexico or Canada, without the permission of our government.

Bodily Autonomy
Part of women exercising control over their own bodies involves them refraining from sleeping with men who they have no intention of having children with. By self-reporting, 1 out of 3 American men, into their mid-30s, is a virgin. By self-reporting, unmarried American women within that same age cohort have had a dozen or more different sexual partners by the time they reach their mid-30s. After you've slept with a dozen or more different people and haven't found one that you can form a stable long-term committed relationship with, is it not painfully obvious that the only common factor in all your failed relationships, is you? Women don't think they need to change their behavior because our legal system rewards their lack of accountability with cash and prizes. The marriage rate amongst men is now 6.5 out of 1,000. If an ever-growing number of men are waiting to sleep with someone until they're married, then what's stopping women from exercising that same level of restraint over their sexual behavior?

Is it fair to ask a virgin man to marry a woman after she's slept with a dozen or more different people, when he's slept with none?

Is her past behavior not a better than average indicator of what her future behavior will be in her next relationship, if you could call it that?

One or two mistakes, I can understand. Bad things happen to good people, sometimes twice if they didn't learn the first time. Everyone makes mistakes. There are truly rotten people out there, both men and women. Short of murder or similarly heinous crimes, I'm not the sort of person to hold more complex judgement mistakes against young people forever. After you've done something more than 3 times, it's no longer an accident. It's intentional, even if you don't recognize it as such, which only means your judgement about who to sleep with, because they're actually willing to stick around long enough to raise children, is nonexistent. You have no right to demand equal treatment from someone your same age, who you're no longer equal to in any way they actually care about. If women are allowed to pick and choose men they will sleep with based upon height, weight, income, personal appearance, charisma, humor, or any of the 1,001 "must haves" on their wish list, qualities they frequently lack, then men have every right to demand a woman who has not slept with an entire football team, is at least physically fit enough to give him healthy children, and recognizes that someone who is paying her bills is not in an equal partnership with him.

In general, women are literally screwing themselves out of long-term relationships with partners who actually care about them. If women think they're going to demand more and better of men by behaving worse than many men, then they're nuts. It's easy to understand why, though. They lack fathers and other male role models in their lives, just like the men. A woman who has nothing but failed relationships is probably the last person on the planet who her own children should receive relationship advice from. I don't take investing advice from penniless homeless people, either, just so we're clear on that point.

American Science
Our science is, or at least was, built upon the premise that it's more important to do something useful with what you know than proving to anyone else how clever you are. The world doesn't change because one person is so much smarter than everyone else. Good on them, but now what? Being first typically doesn't translate well into lasting change. That means the end result of your science contribution should be a clearly definable technical accomplishment that requires no further explanation to understand the significance of.

Ada Lovelace satisfied her scientific curiosity by writing an algorithm computation sequence for a machine that didn't exist. Yeah, she's obviously pretty smart, and again, good on her. Admiral Grace Hopper, US Navy, built the languages (MATH-MATIC and FLOW-MATIC) that became COBOL a few years later- a machine-independent general purpose business programming language that still runs at least some, if not most, core business functions for most governments, major corporations, hospitals, and military forces across the entire world. Admiral Hopper has been dead for over 30 years. COBOL received its last major language update in 2023.

"We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles." - Thomas Alva Edison

When Americans talk about inventions, that's what we're really talking about. Thomas Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. He made the lightbulb a practical invention so cheap and long-lasting that almost anyone who could afford to buy a home or rent an apartment could also afford to have and use dozens of lightbulbs to improve their daily lives. In so doing, that sort of invention actually changed the world. That translated into fewer fires from accidentally knocking over candles or kerosene lamps, and more light to illuminate the darkness, instantly, with the flick of a switch. Could someone else have done that? For humanity's sake, I certainly hope so, but they didn't, so the point is moot.

Edit:
How could I forget the taxes on "the rich" that the Democrats jabber on about?

When do you suppose we could have a fact-based discussion about spending?

There's no amount of other peoples' money that Democrats are unwilling to spend. As someone who doesn't own the means to production, but even for people who do, this flies right back in your face in the form of inflation, which is another way of saying that our government spends absurdly more public money than it takes in from taxes. To compensate, the Federal Reserve then devalues your money, my money, and everyone else's money to pay for the spending sprees of both Democrats and Republicans, contingent upon the average person's inability to understand the basics of money, monetary policy, spending, taxes, and investment. They screw us over and then play finger-pointing games with each other.

The cumulative rate of inflation since the Federal Reserve was created is 3,015%. That means an item which cost $1 in 1913 would cost $31.15 today. Put another way, your $1 is only worth $0.0321 in 2024. That's how inflation affects what you can buy. You don't need gadgets or fancy things, but you absolutely do need food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and education. Most people also have to pay for transportation and other expenses, such as utilities. Life is a bit rough without clean running water.

How much would you like the federal government to devalue your money, in order to pay for the stuff you voted for?

Inflation is not going to be something some rich person ever suffers from. Larry Ellison "downsized" from a 453ft to a 266ft yacht. I'm sure that was rough, but you know how it goes. You don't? Me, neither. The only yachts I've been on were haze gray, stank of jet fuel, and were favorite targets of terrorists and foreign naval forces. They're not going to solely foot the bill for every spending spree your Democrats want to embark upon. They ensure that people like you and I suffer the most from your ignorance about money.

If we took every last cent from every billionaire and millionaire in America, it's not nearly enough money to pay for the spending that President Biden alone has signed our names to. That part is what is meant by "the full faith and credit of the United States". Do you even understand what that means?

It means the Federal Reserve has signed a check pledging our labor, and probably that of our children, to the tune of $36,000 per tax payer. At $32T in total, each tax payer's share of what they owe to cover government debt is $191,616.77. Do you have an extra quarter million dollars laying around? I know I don't. All of our retirement savings are gone, thanks to the insanity of COVID, unemployment that never paid a dime to me, and my wife's ongoing medical problems. Meanwhile, the US federal government received $5T (5 trillion dollars in revenue) in 2022.

Taxes
Yes, people who make billions should pay more taxes than people who make far less. They already do. The wealthy pay the vast majority of all taxes in America, meaning well over 90% of the actual tax revenue comes from what you would consider wealthy people.

The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50 percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021.

There it is in black-and-white. It's not a lie. It's publicly available information collected by our government. You can go look it up yourself if you don't believe me. Whether or not it agrees with your opinion of what wealthy people should pay in taxes is another matter. The fact of the matter is that the top 50% pays almost ALL income taxes in America, period. How much more taxes do you think they should pay? All of it? If you put nothing in, do you have any right to demand anything in return?

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RobertDyck · 2024-02-15 19:07:48

Calliban wrote:

UK councils are now compulsory purchasing UK homes that they judge to be derelict, in order to house 'asylum seeker' third world islamic colonists that decide to arrive uninvited on our shores.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L4taLHtNzoc
Just how much worse could things get? When local government can sieze your property on such a flimsy precept, do property rights actually exist? The British government has become a disgrace that is despised by the British people. It doesn't even pretend to advocate for its own people anymore. It is openly abusive.

That's how armed revolution starts. Start by talking to your Member of Parliament. Sending Scotland Yard to arrest the entire council would be far preferable.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-15 19:25:19

Arizona GOP want to make a bill that takes away the right of your votes for the presidential candidate.
Arizona Republicans Want To Guarantee Trump Wins the Election

Joe Manchin floats Mitt Romney as a potential running mate as he weighs a presidential bid

kbd512 · 2024-02-15 20:33:10

SpaceNut,

Maine and Colorado Democrats are trying to take away your right to vote for President Trump.

Turnabout is fair play. If you Democrats don't like stupid games, then stop forcing Republicans to play them. If Democrats are allowed to declare who Republicans may vote for, because they don't like the person the other side chose for President, then Republicans are allowed to do the same thing.

kbd512 · 2024-02-15 20:46:58

RobertDyck,

Scotland Yard doesn't answer to the very people they're supposed to serve and protect. When the government makes peaceful reform impossible, violent revolution is inevitable.

Did your own federal government cease and desist its tyrannical behavior under PM Trudeau, or did it double-down on its absurd irrational demands?

How did appealing to the "better angels of your government's nature" work out for your truckers?

You know what these people are like better than most others here. How did that work out for you, personally?

RobertDyck · 2024-02-16 06:22:55

kbd512,

Here in Canada the government blatantly violated the Constitution. Ruling by the courts have said the government violated the Constitution when they invoked the Emergency Measures Act. I did join the Trucker protest in Winnipeg one day. Just one day, and just in the city where I live, but I did join them. You must start by giving the government the opportunity to comply with the Constitution. You would be surprised by the number of government officials who back down when you push back. They're not used to citizens pushing back. They're bullies, and bullies don't expect their victims to fight back. So push back. If they don't, this will escalate to armed revolution. Once civil servants realize what's at stake, they'll either panic or back down. Many will back down.

During the "Occupy" movement in Winnipeg, I joined the protest. I joined the protest in Memorial Park, but government sent police to confiscate tents and equipment. I wasn't there when that confiscation happened. They protested on the steps of the provincial legislature. I joined the protest at the legislature. Security guards for the legislature allowed protesters to use the washroom (restroom), but had an armed guard escort each protester. When I used the washroom, I spoke to the guard. I mentioned that I was a member of the Liberal Party of Manitoba, that I was the President of the Liberal electoral district association of Elmwood, and that the leader of the Liberal Party of Manitoba asked me to stand as the candidate in the last election and the next. I was there to gain support for my candidacy. The guard's eye's went wide. So then I said it's time to give them back their stuff. Immediately after I said that, security for the Legislature gave the Occupy people their stuff: tents, and other things they seized. So showing balls actually has results.

Ps. At the time I was both president of the provincial association of Elmwood, and federal association of Elmwood--Transcona.

Calliban · 2024-02-16 09:06:31

During the trucker protests, after he had frozen their bank accounts and made life impossible for them, I can remember Trudeau bragging that he intended to 'replace' Canada's white middle class using mass immigration. This is Canada's own prime minister openly telling the Canadian people that he intends to use mass immigration to breed them out of their own country. What an absolute cad that guy is. How could he survive politically or literally after a comment like that? Truck Fudeau.

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RobertDyck · 2024-02-16 13:01:18

338Canada is a website that aggregates polls. It's called that because the House of Commons has 338 seats. They estimate voter intention based on averaging multiple polls, and track it over time. They also estimate how many seats each party will win in the House of Commons based on those polls. For the last 6 months it looks like the Trudeau government will lose the next election. It's so bad it looks like Conservatives will win a majority.

To make matters worse, Canada adjusts electoral district boundaries every 10 years. The next adjustment has already been declared, and new boundaries take effect if an election is called after April 22 of this year. Not election day, when the election is called. The new boundaries favour the Conservative Party at the expense of the NDP. Canada currently has a minority government, however the Liberals have a large minority. If the Conservatives, NDP and Bloc Québécois all vote non-confidence, that forces an election. Conservatives want an election ASAP because they know they will win. If the election is called before April 22, then current electoral boundaries will be used. If after, then the new ones. Polls are looking so bad that the NDP might come second, Liberals third, but only if current boundaries are used. So NDP might force an election before April 22.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-16 17:01:12

kbd512 the law was very clear Section 3 of the 14th Amendment Opinion: The law is clear: The Supreme Court must not allow Trump on the 2024 ballot

kbd512 · 2024-02-16 22:40:40

SpaceNut,

President Trump has never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any offense covered under the 14th Amendment.

Even someone you hate with every fiber of your being is entitled to due process of law. If you don't think so, then America is over.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-17 12:21:46

There are many means to charge and indict a person at any tier of life from civilian all the way up to President.

Trump’s supreme court case hinges on the 14th amendment – what it actually means

Sort means we have already charge since this is a court event that is occuring stemming from election interference.

Trying to mince words as written and change how the meaning comes from them is at issue.

What the Law Says in 3 Cases That Could Decide Trump’s Fate

Of course the crimes where at the end of the term and he now has no immunity as he no longer sits on the throne of presidency.

Since those that did participate are being charge with this so should the Trump be as well in Seditious conspiracy’ and ‘insurrection’ are more fitting charges than ‘interfering with an official proceeding’ or ‘defrauding the U.S.’

Why and how this can happen is already passed as Why Section 3 Disqualification Doesn't Require a Prior Criminal Conviction on Charges of Insurrection

The former president was previously charged on four federal felony counts for his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.
Fact check of Trump Doesn't Need a Criminal Conviction for Ballot Removal, According to Research on 14th Amendment

Void · 2024-02-17 12:56:52

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump … on-ballot/
Quote:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Who is qualified to label Trump as subject to this? Without a conviction, in a court of law, it is just hear-say that he did such as is mentioned in this paragraph above.

But even if Trump as allowed to be a candidate, the Jury of the American people are free to reject him.

I am afraid I see your opinion Spacenut and that of the people doing this as sleazy and disgusting in the extreme. And I am not a Republican or a Democrat.

Done

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SpaceNut · 2024-02-17 13:01:28

The appointed Special counselor, Trump was indicted on Aug. 1 on four felony conspiracy counts in special counsel Jack Smith's 2020 election interference case.

Full text of Trump indictment in Jack Smith's 2020 election probe

special counsel who filed the case in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia

The indictment includes four federal counts against Trump:

Count one: conspiracy to defraud the United States, a violation of 18 U.S.C 371
fraudulent electors from seven states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Count two: conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1512 (k)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_p … tion_case)

Count three: obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1512 (c)(2),2
Count four: conspiracy against rights, a violation of 18 U.S.C. 241

There are also the state level and other charges that are being delayed getting answers for civil as well for immunity protections to charges and some have been decided against Trump.

Void · 2024-02-17 13:09:49

Quote:

in·dict·ment
[inˈdītm(ə)nt]
NOUN
NORTH AMERICAN ENGLISH
a formal charge or accusation of a serious crime:
"an indictment for conspiracy"
SIMILAR:
charge
accusation
arraignment
citation
summons
the action of indicting or being indicted:
"the indictment of twelve people who had imported cocaine"
a thing that serves to illustrate that a system or situation is bad and deserves to be condemned:
"these rapidly escalating crime figures are an indictment of our society"

But no conviction.

I prefer to let the Supreme Court (Federal) decide the matter.

When dealing with a former president at least, we cannot have silly hillbillies and crooks just doing what they want, and interfering with properly federal level actions.

Done

kbd512 · 2024-02-17 14:55:57

SpaceNut,

Democrats don't get to decide who is on the ballot for the Republican Party, because we don't live in Russia or China. If you don't like President Trump, then vote for President Biden. Those are your realistic options. If you don't like your options, then welcome to the club.

I did my part to assure American prosperity by voting for a real Democrat named President Trump. He's been a Democrat his entire life. Magic didn't happen after he put a "R" behind his name. He was the same man before and after he did that. President Trump started no new wars, he secured our borders, brought some jobs back to America, and real wages rose over inflation for one magic year during his Presidency before Democrats ruined the global economy with their wildly irrational and idiotic response to COVID.

How did we get COVID to begin with?

One of your fellow Democrats, Dr "I am the science!" Fauci, paid some communist Chinese scientists to create a lethal disease to "play with" in their lab. The disease escaped, because it's airborne and Chinese labs are famous for poor security, and the rest was history.

If the Democrat Party hadn't put forth a man who can't read off a teleprompter, they wouldn't be in the position they're in now.

The way I see it, without Republicans your party's fake Democrats / real oligarch-nihilists would turn America into San Francisco. There would be no law enforcement to speak of unless you said something a Democrat didn't like, human feces in the streets, needles for kids to step on, no jobs because the ability to run a business that doesn't directly feed money to the Democrat Party is regulated out of existence, and the government ultimately goes bankrupt pursuing Democrat ideology.

RobertDyck · 2024-02-17 15:07:26

Politics in the US has become polarized and extreme. Let's be adults and show each other respect, address issues without hyperbole.

The United States has a major problem: the rich have taken control of government. A few years ago an Ivy League university did a study: chances of a bill passing through Congress vs number of voters who contact their Congressman about that bill. They found it makes no difference. Then they charted it again, but this time only including voters who donated $1 million or more to their Congressman's election campaign. This showed a direct correlation. The US isn't a democracy any more, it's a plutocracy. That means rule by the rich. Congress passed a bill, lead by Republican Senator John McCain and a few others including Democrats; this bill limited how much money voters could spend on political advertising. A group of rich people wanted to campaign against Hillary Clinton in their electoral district. The bill limited how much money they could spend on this, and was supposed to. They didn't like it, so challenged the law in court. The court upheld the law. So they appealed. Again, they lost, the court upheld the law. So they appealed again, and again lost. So they appealed to the US Supreme Court. This time the chief justice of the Supreme Court wanted to expand the case, so rewrote what the case was about. He didn't recuse himself from the case, in fact continued to sit as chief justice. The group of rich citizens called themselves Citizens United. Supreme Court decision created loopholes in the law that allowed unlimited spending. It was supposed to prevent donating money directly to election campaigns of Congressmen, but created means that money could not be traced, so unlimited money could be donated election campaigns. This means the US is still a plutocracy.

Unfortunately John McCain is now deceased. The only other individuals who care about this problem are Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. The slogan from Trump's campaign is "drain the swamp". I didn't think he seriously wanted to limit authority of the rich, after all his is rich himself. He isn't as rich as he claims to be, but does own a lot of expensive stuff.

One friend took me to visit her friends in North Dakota in the summer of 1991. US citizens in North Dakota were upset that the rich control Congress, average working citizens are screwed. They believed the only solution is another armed revolution. I tried to convince them not to do that. I argued to find a politician who holds the same values they hold, and support that candidate's election campaign. If they don't have a lot of money, they could donate their time, volunteer for his/her campaign. If they can't find any candidate who holds their values, then choose one of their own group and support that person to run for office. Solve the issues they feel passionate about through elections, not armed insurrection. I keep thinking of the Civil War of 1861-1865. That turned out very very badly.

Only January 6, 2021, citizens in support of Donald Trump gathered in Washington. Congress locked the Capitol building. The US is a democracy, Congress is the hired help of citizens, they can't lock out everyone. Citizens who wanted an insurrection asked Donald Trump for permission to enter the Capitol building anyway. Trump asked them to sit in the gallery and encourage Republican Congressmen to support his re-election as president. From every report I read or news video I saw, Donald Trump never asked them to damage the Capitol building. Individuals wanted to raid the Capitol building. This is something that has been coming since 1991, that's 3 decades, and probably longer. I'm amazed that anyone is surprised this happened. If you didn't realize this was coming, then you're wilfully ignorant. To make matters worse, no police officer or security guard was hurt during the raid. Media keeps talking about a police officer who had medical problems many days after January 6, and nothing to do with the raid on the Capitol building.

I don't like Donald Trump. He did accept special business deals with China in exchange for giving China most preferred trading nation status. This kind of business deal is common in business, but is prohibited in government. It creates a conflict of interest. Do I really need to explain further why it's illegal for any government official, including the President, from doing this? I'm saying charge Trump with things he actually did, don't make stuff up.

RobertDyck · 2024-02-17 15:20:57

Elections in the US
The United States has major problems with elections. During the year 2000 election, a number of "dead" people voted in Florida. Voters recorded names from grave stones, registered as a voter once for each name. This allowed individuals to vote multiple times. Also in year 2000, one county in another state, a county that usually votes Democrat, set all voting machines to test mode. This resulted in all votes for that entire county thrown out.

In year 2004, one county in yet another state, the number of votes for the winning candidate was greater than the total number of registered voters.

During the last election, one car was caught trying to drive into Canada with ballot boxes. It was still sealed, official seals were intact, not broken. It was full of ballots. That means these ballots were not counted. Canadian border officials held that car and the driver, called US officials to come collect the ballot boxes and arrest the driver.

These are extreme. In Canada we had a problem with "robo-calls" during the 2011 election. I received one of those calls, the day before election day. The call I received was not recorded, it was a live person from a call centre. But the caller claimed to be from Elections Canada. The woman told me my voting location had changed. I responded "No it hasn't. I have the full poll list directly from the Returning Officer for my electoral district". Besides, I voted at an advanced poll so I could help the candidate for my party. The candidate's campaign manager insulted me, so I stopped helping, but the point is I already voted. Canada has a "Commissioner of Elections" who has staff to investigate election offences. Similar to an Attorney General but specifically for election offences. One individual was found guilty of organizing robo-calls, and was convicted to months in jail. Many individuals believed the conspiracy was more widespread, that one individual was sacrificed to cover up the others. But this issue is tiny compared to what's going on in the US.

Citizens are never going to accept election results as long as serious election fraud is allowed to continue.

kbd512 · 2024-02-17 15:42:14

RobertDyck,

Politics in the US has become polarized and extreme. Let's be adults and show each other respect, address issues without hyperbole.

Democrats can't seem to do that. They're the ones who polarize and politicize every aspect of life. They're the ones who attempt to inject government into every aspect of our lives.

The US is a democracy

The United States of America is a Republic, not a democracy.

I don't like Donald Trump. He did accept special business deals with China in exchange for giving China most preferred trading nation status. This kind of business deal is common in business, but is prohibited in government. It creates a conflict of interest. Do I really need to explain further why it's illegal for any government official, including the President, from doing this? I'm saying charge Trump with things he actually did, don't make stuff up.

Do you have any actual evidence beyond hearsay?

I'll believe this is about more than your dislike of one man the moment I see any equivalent form of reciprocity.

President Obama ordered an airstrike on an American citizen, by his own public admission, in a country we were not at war with. His administration said the target of the airstrike was not an imminent threat of any kind. The target's son and the cafe filled with people were not even suspected of anything, but that didn't stop them from being injured or killed by the missile fired at them.

When President Obama is charged with murdering two American citizens without due process of law, then I'll believe this business with President Trump is about something more than, "I don't like him". If President Trump needs to be in prison, then Presidents Obama, Biden, and Clinton need to be sitting in the same cell with him, and for the same reasons.

SpaceNut · 2024-02-17 16:28:06

So, what is the issue with calling me a Democrat is that I do not bias my vote by a party steadfast choice but rather I vote at the box with regards to which would be better for the country and that means taking a choice against whom is eviler.

The DOJ; has no Democrat in the term they are people to do the unbiased work they are presented with unlike the Trump court appointees. The court is in Trump delay mode to outrun getting taken by them by his own deeds to a jailed conclusion.

Former GOP Congress Members Call on SCOTUS to Stop Trump’s “Gambit to Escape Accountability”

President Trump started no new wars, but he told all that would to go ahead that he would not honor the treaties with them.

He did not secure our borders to immigrants, build wall according to the funds which were available or for those flying or business during the entire time of office while we are stopping flights and others for Covid from entering.

He wanted to bring back some jobs to America, but the companies went out of the country anyways.

I see less jobs for hire signs now than I did under Trump.

This is significant': GOP pollster says 'voters will resent' Trump after latest judgment

RobertDyck · 2024-02-17 18:13:51

A number of friends are fans of Trump. He's one of the few working to "drain the swamp". However, his foreign policy... is bad. He promised to not get involved in Syria. Then sent how many cruise missiles to bomb a concrete runway? Very high expense, very quickly repaired at minimal cost. And he shouldn't have gotten involved at all.

Most importantly, he keeps complaining about NATO countries that haven't paid their dues. NATO is an alliance, there are no dues. Each country paid for their own military, that's all. And based on his delusion, he intends to abandon European allies. The US has the most powerful military in the entire world, but even the US cannot defend against the rest of the planet combined. The US has friends who won't attack just because one president is an idiot, but abandoning all allies and leaving your country open to impromptu alliances (Russia, North Korea, Iran, China, etc)? That's very dangerous.

Russia is duplicating what Hitler did leading to WW2. Allowing this to fester is extremely dangerous.

kbd512 · 2024-02-17 18:13:55

SpaceNut,

The mere fact that you think the DOJ is staffed by people without any political biases, or that they suddenly became only politically biased because President Trump appointed them, tells me you are either naive beyond the ability to call yourself an adult, or engaging in yet another obvious misrepresentation that serves a particular political agenda.

The DOJ is staffed by people. Most of them are lawyers. Lawyers have agendas. It's their job to paint pictures of reality as they see it. Whether or not their picture looks anything like reality, is another question entirely. One of them, named Fani Willis, explicitly ran on a campaign of, "If you elect me, I'm going to get Trump." Now she's looking at perjury, and of all possible things, admitting to campaign election fund fraud under oath, accepting lavish gifts from her boyfriend, repaying him with her campaign election funds, and then paying her boyfriend to be on the Trump case with her, despite never having prosecuted a felony in his life.

President Trump started no new wars, but he told all that would to go ahead that he would not honor the treaties with them.

President Trump never said any such thing. If you have evidence of him ever making such a claim, then present it. Hearsay from someone who doesn't like President Trump is not evidence of anything, except that someone doesn't like him.

Is it the least bit odd to you that President Putin never jumped off on Ukraine while President Trump was in office?

He did not secure our borders to immigrants, build wall according to the funds which were available or for those flying or business during the entire time of office while we are stopping flights and others for Covid from entering.

Compared to President Biden, our border was secure. Your Democrats took President Trump to court again and again, to prevent him from building the wall. Since he actually attempted to follow the law, unlike your Democrats, he had to wait for the outcomes of the trials before building the wall. President Biden then took the materials to build the wall and destroyed them. The border problem is 100% the fault of the Democrat Party. They created it, they made it way worse under President Biden, and they refuse to do anything about it. Trying to blame President Trump for this is the least plausible thing you've stated here.

He wanted to bring back some jobs to America, but the companies went out of the country anyways.

He did convince some companies to keep their operations in America. What was your alternative? President Obama's blather about manufacturing never coming back to America ever again? That was what we were going to get under Hillary.

I see less jobs for hire signs now than I did under Trump.

Duh!

Democrats are the party of steal everything we can from the people, while fraudulently offering "free stuff", get them to fight each other so they don't notice what's so obvious, right before they ship all your remaining jobs overseas, bring in tens of millions of desperate illegals to be their new slaves (merely the next group of people so dumb they sold their souls to socialists on the promise of security and prosperity that never came), and oh yeah, they'll start more wars just for funsies.

Even you can see what's going on under President Biden, but it's all Twumpy Wumpy's fault?

Why do you buy into their nonsense?

I enjoy theatrics as much as the next person, but normally I'm seated in a theater while watching the show. This is our country we're talking about. No amount of theatrics is going to save it from destruction if you keep voting for people who find new and more inventive ways of destroying it.

Real talk, though...

Other than the letter after his name, what do you think changed about President Trump after he became a Republican?

Can you go from someone who attended all the family and civics functions of Democrats, that President Trump absolutely did attend (because there are pictures of him with the Clintons and all the rest of them), while he was still a Democrat, to "literal Hitler", merely by switching political parties to being a Republican?

Is the letter after your name that powerful?

If so, then that's one remarkably powerful letter.

Can you even attempt to understand why someone like me might think the assertion that a letter did everything you guys are claiming, is a little hard to believe?

Remember all the BS that our Democrat unintelligentsia was spewing about COVID?

Masks stop airborne viruses, 30 days to slow the spread, the jab protects other people, you can't catch or spread COVID after you take the jab. Yeah... That stuff. All the obvious dumb crap that anyone with a cursory knowledge of history and a working brain should know is not true. I know I just excluded Democrats, but since you're "independent", work with me here. Don't tell anyone else, but that's what this looks like to me.

RobertDyck · 2024-02-17 18:16:00

My greatest point: although I disagree with Trump, that doesn't justify removing his name from the ballot.

kbd512 · 2024-02-17 19:32:52

RobertDyck,

A number of friends are fans of Trump. He's one of the few working to "drain the swamp". However, his foreign policy... is bad. He promised to not get involved in Syria. Then sent how many cruise missiles to bomb a concrete runway? Very high expense, very quickly repaired at minimal cost. And he shouldn't have gotten involved at all.

The world does not begin and end with President Trump. President Obama got America involved in Syria, not President Trump.

The Tomahawk strikes were an actual response to President Obama's "red line in the sand" after the Syrians gassed their own people. They didn't do it again, so the message was delivered.

Yeah, we should let anyone gas their own people the way the nazis did, because we wouldn't want to get involved in any of that business.

Most importantly, he keeps complaining about NATO countries that haven't paid their dues. NATO is an alliance, there are no dues. Each country paid for their own military, that's all. And based on his delusion, he intends to abandon European allies. The US has the most powerful military in the entire world, but even the US cannot defend against the rest of the planet combined. The US has friends who won't attack just because one president is an idiot, but abandoning all allies and leaving your country open to impromptu alliances (Russia, North Korea, Iran, China, etc)? That's very dangerous.

Europeans complain about Americans all the time. Is President Trump not allowed to do what they do?

Each country in NATO signed an agreement to spend a set amount of their GDP on their own defense. When nations which are truly allies sign agreements with their other allies, they normally honor those agreements. Every American President this century has politely asked the Europeans to spend what they agreed to on their military. President Trump merely said in public what the others said in private. Have you noticed how there's no shortage of funding or willpower to meet defense obligations now? Again, message delivered. I'm just shocked by how we have to publicly shame our allies into doing the right thing for their own people.

America sent lethal aid to the Ukrainians for the first time under President Trump, or did you forget that as well?

As near as I can tell, no allies were abandoned to anyone or anything.

NATO was created to resist the Soviets during the Cold War. The Soviet Union no longer exists.

Russia is duplicating what Hitler did leading to WW2. Allowing this to fester is extremely dangerous.

Russia is being who they always have been- an imperial power which conquers and subjugates people dumb enough to leave themselves defenseless. Yes, Hitler did the same thing. Does that make Hitler like Stalin or Stalin like Hitler? Is it a distinction without a difference?

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