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#26 2006-04-20 08:05:24

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I suspect that like the majority of commercial and haulage flights. Insurance companies will demand that Federal Aviation certificates exist and that a set amount of standards be present. And just for liability these aerospace companies will even if not operating on US soil or even a US company will get the certificates just to keep the insurers happy.


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#27 2006-05-05 20:59:33

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Possibly the first if the switch does happen...
U.S. woman selected as backup to confirmed space tourist as backup to a Japanese man expected to blast off this fall.

There is also another being trained as a backup as well mentioned in the article...

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#28 2006-09-05 06:02:16

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Woman to become space station tourist
http://www.statesman.com/news/
Iranian-born U.S. entrepreneur prepares to be first female space tourist.
Like millions of children, Anousheh Ansari dreamed and wondered about the stars. This month, the Iranian-born Dallas-area entrepreneur can get a closer look as she becomes the first female space tourist.
The most exciting moment in her voyage to the international space station will probably come when she first sees Earth "as a blue, glowing globe against the dark background of the cosmos," Ansari, 39, said last week at the Russian cosmonaut training center outside Moscow.

Malaysia Unveils Two Final Male Astronaut Candidates
http://www.spacedaily.com/
Malaysia on Monday unveiled its first astronaut, a 34-year-old doctor who will blast off on a Russian Soyuz spacecraft and visit the International Space Station in September 2007. Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor was the winner of a nationwide hunt which drew tens of thousands of hopefuls. Army dentist Faiz Khaleed, 26, was chosen as the back-up astronaut, or "angkasawan" as they are known in the Malay language.
"I pray to God that he will ensure the success of your mission and raise the profile of Malaysia in the international arena," Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said at a ceremony to announce the winning candidates.

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#29 2006-09-14 11:41:00

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Iranian-American entrepreneur Anousheh Ansari was selected to be the next "space tourist," paying a reported $20 million to be launched on a Russian Soyuz space capsule for a visit to the International Space Station
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http://www.happynews.com/news/8302006/i … istory.htm
http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=P1770_0_24_0
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/US_Irania … 02006.html
US, Iranian flags to travel into space with female tourist


The Russian Government has voted against a motion to send pop queen Madonna into space, after 252 parliament members refused to back the idea.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 … .space.ap/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg … ry_id=8853
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State Duma member Alexei Mitrofanov, referring to Madonna's reported expression of desire to become a "space tourist," proposed that the lower house of parliament send a formal inquiry to the Russian space agency about organizing a space trip for her in 2008.
"Because of the television possibilities, it would be a pretty serious event in the year of elections in the United States and Russia," he was quoted as saying by the RIA-Novosti news agency.

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#30 2006-09-29 07:00:46

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Space tourism is forcing Russia to look at its real costs.

Russia to Up Prices for Space Tourism After Sending Malaysian Astronaut to ISS in 2007 but future space tourists are faced with a price increase. The official said that the price for commercial space flights would go up as well reaching $21.8 million.

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#31 2006-10-18 10:00:22

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Just spotted in this news article about Expedition 14's return being delayed:

On their return journey, they will be joined by the fifth space tourist, Hungarian-born American software billionaire Charles Simonyi, expected to arrive at the ISS with the 15th crew.

Simonyi is head of Microsoft's application software group and oversaw the creation of Microsoft's flagship office applications (wikipedia)


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#32 2006-12-01 22:38:45

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Ohio considering spaceport deal, Officials discuss potential incentives with PlanetSpace rocket venture

061201_silverdart_hlg_3p.hlarge.jpg

This artist's conception shows PlanetSpace's suborbital Silver Dart spaceship mounted on a Canadian Arrow rocket.

The image reminds me more of the X37 mounted on a delta or atlas or even a stretched SRB...

State and local officials in Ohio are considering an incentive package that would lead the Canadian-American rocket venture PlanetSpace to put the manufacturing and landing facilities for its suborbital spacecraft at a former military air base near Columbus,

While I do not live in this state I have always wondered if tax payer money should be used to fund startup...

The Silver Dart would be lofted to altitudes in excess of 62 miles (100 kilometers), giving up to eight fliers a view of the curving Earth beneath the black sky of space. Then the craft would glide down to a landing. Either one of Rickenbacker's twin 12,000-foot-long (3,650-meter-long), 200-foot-wide (60-meter-wide) runways would make "a perfect return runway


Ya it is only sub orbital but if it creates jobs and developes a market let them go for it.

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#33 2006-12-08 16:20:39

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ey--better that than a stupid Domed Stadium.

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#34 2007-01-28 22:54:54

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Here is one way to kill space tourism give aways.
Taxes ... the final frontier for space rides; IRS brings hype over suborbital ticket giveaways back down to earth

Like way to go.. IRS..not.

After some number-crunching, Emmett realized he would have to report the $138,000 galactic joy ride as income and owe $25,000 in taxes.

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#35 2007-01-29 18:27:12

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The obvious answer is, don't come back.

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#36 2007-01-31 08:33:52

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SpaceNut posted elsewhere:

Rumored for a while now...

State asks counties to launch spaceport

Taxpayers Foot Spaceport Bill

New jobs and an economy boost; the new Southern New Mexico spaceport seems to be moving forward, but it lacks one important thing, and that's money -- Money that taxpayers are being asked to give.
The project lacks $60 million and nearly $58 million of that money will come from only three of the 33 New Mexico counties. Those counties are Sierra, Otero and Dona Ana.

I knew it!  roll 

The rich ALWAYS "need" the taxpayer to help them.  And if it goes bust, WHO will pay to bail the rich kids out?  The taxpayer -- of course! 

The 3 counties mentioned (one of which is mine; Dona Ana) are NOT wealthy.  Dona Ana would be the wealthiest, as we've got boatloads of well-to-do retirees flooding in.  Otero and Sierra counties are by comparison poor and sparsely populated.

Just Monday our governor, Bill Richardson, was pitching for the Space Port.  I thought this was pretty much a done deal, but no:  It's going to the voters to decide.


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#37 2007-01-31 08:45:35

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For those places developing space ports its about local goverment getting tax dollars and job creation once flights begin.

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#38 2007-01-31 09:03:52

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For those places developing space ports its about local goverment getting tax dollars and job creation once flights begin.

Yeah, I know.

Job creation = mostly minimum wage in this?

And if it does get voted in and taxpayers (like usual) have to help foot the bill, watch the rich old folks who want to retire around here in their big fancy homes start screaming bloody murder once property taxes start going through the roof.  roll


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#39 2007-01-31 11:12:38

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Local company needs feedback

Starchaser Industries, is asking for input from those who would consider space travel.

The 32-question survey is a component of a contract recently awarded to the company by the European Space Agency. The $200,000 ESA contract in part asks Starchaser to analyze the sustainability of commercial space tourism.


Ops here comes the IRS again:...

The survey can be filled out www.starchaser.co.uk. Those participating in the survey must be 18 years of age and are eligible to win a video iPod.

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#40 2007-02-01 06:00:41

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Here is one way to kill space tourism give aways.
Taxes ... the final frontier for space rides; IRS brings hype over suborbital ticket giveaways back down to earth

Like way to go.. IRS..not.

After some number-crunching, Emmett realized he would have to report the $138,000 galactic joy ride as income and owe $25,000 in taxes.

Why doesn't one of the space-loving billionaires/multimillionaires step up to the plate and cover that $25,000 so Emmett can realize HIS dream of going into space?  What is $25,000 to one of the rich ISS-riding kids?  Comparable to maybe that $5 bill in my pocket?  Ansari has said she wants to inspire as many people as possible to go into space -- well here's her chance.  She's wealthy enough to have taken one ISS ride already, wants to take yet another; she's got deep pockets.  Why doesn't she help Emmett?  Or another superwealthy pro-space person?  $25,000 is a drop in the bucket to them.  Let's see one of them put their $$$ where their mouth is -- for real.  smile


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#41 2007-02-01 07:45:33

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As we have noted over the past couple of days the fledgling companies entering into space have many obsticles of which some of them are burdened by those nearest to there operation centers in the form of taxes carriered by all to help them.

Private Spaceflight Industry Foresees Steady Progress in 2007

The budding personal space travel industry anticipates progress on a number of fronts in 2007, including favorable U.S. regulatory decisions, the availability of affordable insurance, new spaceport developments and increased testing of new spaceship designs.

These companies are what I would say are the farthest along in the developement of flight process.

Transformational Space Corp. (t/Space)
Bigelow Aerospace
Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX)
SpaceDev
Rocketplane-Kistler
XCOR Aerospace.

This group seems to be intent on tourist sub orbital flights

Blue Origin
Virgin Galactic
Starchaser Industries

The probably greatest step for these companies was there interest to make attemptts at the
X Prize Foundation and now the X cup for the competion to get off the ground to the edge of space.

There are many upstart space ports some of them assisted by Nasa such as Wallops Flight Facility
while places that the 

Houston, we have a puzzle: British magazine offers space trip

A British magazine is offering readers the chance to win a trip to space simply by answering the question "What is the best patented invention and why?",

The winner of the New Scientist contest will be blasted into space 100 kilometres (60 miles) above Earth, from where they will be afforded stunning views of the planet and experience weightlessness

Contest entries here www.winatriptospace.co.uk

Coming at the next October's X Prize Cup
LUNAR LANDER LIFTOFF is
running a $2 million prize sponsored by Northrop Grumman towards the Lunar Lander Challenge.

Last year, Texas-based Armadillo Aerospace almost won a $350,000 NASA-backed rocket prize in the first-ever Lunar Lander Challenge.

Contest: Audi Winner Will Join the 62-Mile-High Club
The winner will get a ride in the rocket-powered Xerus Suborbital Vehicle through Space Adventures, a space-tourism company.

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#42 2007-02-20 20:19:13

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Soyuz TMA-10 spacecraft to transport 15th crew to ISS April 7

The 15th ISS expedition comprises two Russian astronauts Fyodor Yurchikhin and Oleg Kotov and U.S. millionaire Charles Simonyi, who is set to fly to the ISS as a space tourist.

Space Tourism Comes To Orlando, FL

Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, Greg Olsen and most recently the first female tourinaut, Anousheh Ansari In training right now for the next launch in early April is Dr. Charles Simonyi.

With all the sensitive equipment and language barrier you don't just pony up your $20M and hop on board the Soyuz. No sir, you spend six months and 900 hours training in Star City alongside the cosmonaut and/or astronauts who will be piloting your ride. Soyuz systems, the International Space Station (ISS), learning the Russian language and physical training are all part of your lesson plan. All this training will prepare you for 10 days on the ISS.

During the eight day trip the tourinauts lend a hand and perform experiments, sometimes using their own bodies as the experiment. Ansari helped with a lower back pain study and a microbe study, according to Space Adventures' Pat Hoar (below.)

Spacewalking is a recently added option at an additional cost of $15M for about 1.5 hours. The view is unmatched. Additional training is, of course, necessary to the tune of about 600 hours, but six-to-eight days is also added to the trip.

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#43 2007-02-20 21:43:05

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Spacewalking?!? Let a tourist out there in a suit! Argh!!!


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#44 2007-04-07 21:35:08

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Meet the first nerd to visit space

Billionaire software developer Charles Simonyi last night became only the fifth tourist to visit space, having paid over $20 million to be blasted into orbit. But with rival companies eyeing potentially massive profits the age of mass civilian space may only be a few years away
From Maria Danilova in Ikonur, Kazakhstan

U.S. Billionaire Soars Into Orbit
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2007 … c3i6g0.txt

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#45 2007-04-08 16:33:35

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With each launch GCNRevenger and EuroLauncher we become more reliant in Russia as the gap years approach for when will Orion fly.

Some Fear Russia to Become Space Cabbie

It looks like a bonanza for the Russian space industries _ the planned retirement of the U.S. space shuttle fleet in about three years would make Russia the principal carrier of crews and cargo to the international space station, sharply raising its revenues.

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#46 2007-04-17 20:52:55

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Eric Anderson, 32, founder and chief executive of Space Adventures. Riches to Ride Local Firm Launches Wealthy Thrill-Seekers Into Space

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#47 2007-05-26 04:54:49

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Space tourism official says industry can survive a crash

http://www.pr-inside.com/space-tourism- … 135476.htm


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#48 2007-06-21 17:08:59

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LIFTOFF! Liftoff of the Soyuz rocket carrying the next joint Russian-American crew to the International Space Station!
:!:
T+plus 30 seconds. The Russian Soyuz is maneuvering to the proper heading. All engines are up and running.
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The world's third "space tourist", US millionaire Gregory Olsen, successfully started his flight to the international space station (ISS) on Saturday along with a Russian cosmonaut and an American astronaut.
The Russian-built Soyuz TMA-7 capsule carrying the three blasted off from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the middle of Kazakhstan's barren steppes at 7:54 a.m. Moscow time (0354 GMT).
STAR CITY, Russia - Space passenger Greg Olsen
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9323509/
Greg Olsen may be paying $20 million for a ride to the international space station next month, but that doesn’t mean he’ll get out of doing the chores in orbit.


After the liftoff, the space craft will rendezvous in two days with the ISS, about 400 kilometers above Earth.
Russian cosmonaut Valery Tokarev and US astronaut William McArthur who was riding with Olsen, will relieve Russian Sergei Krikalev and American John Phillips who have been working on the station since April.

T+plus 7 minutes, 30 seconds. Soyuz is 124 miles in altitude and racing to achieve orbital velocity
big_smile
Soyuz commander Valery Tokarev says the capsule's separation from the rocket was nominal. The craft is beginning its sequence to deploy power-generating solar arrays, as well as antennas for navigational and communication systems.

Looking to the Space Tourist as an Industry to do anything meaningful in space, is complete foolishness. Outside of maybe a few multi  billionaire taking a joy flight, that about all that will ever happen. The main problem about the private sector establishing a big Space Tourist Industry of say several billion dollars in tourist dollars is that it going to cost hundred billion dollars or more to get that billion dollars tourist industry and it will cost tens of billions of new investments to maintain that billion dollar tourist industry. The problem is that it always going to cost several times more to have maintain the infrastructure to have that billion dollars tourist industry than you will be getting back on the few billion that your getting in return. If you try and increase the fairs to pay the cost of running a tourist industry, then you will have to charge hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars per tourist who goes into space to recover the development and maintaince of the private space tourist venture. Which would basically seal the fate of any private space tourist effort.

Larry,

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#49 2007-09-02 21:07:26

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Have the money you can ride too... The Armchair Traveler: Tourist's guide to space

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#50 2007-09-03 20:16:25

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While there has been 4 other flights booked by Space Adventures it now appears that it is time for a Russian tycoon-explorer may go into space' Moscow business daily says Vladimir Gruzdev set for launch as early as ’08

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