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I agree. None of this can be achieved by Mars first. infrastructure can mean many things including people. during the construction of this, people will be needing to return to a gravity environment occasionally. & it wouldn`t make sense to constantly return them to Earth to rest from MicroG. & i don`t think this will be entirely govt funded. As i`ve said once there is actually a viable plan in place, funds will come. not only funds but some of the investors themselves will wanna come along. & quite frankly once they start doing that, no doubt they would wanna bring assets with them. & i don`t mean hard cash as i wouldn`t mean as much there. i`m glad someone explained the economics of this so i don`t have to, hehe. & i`m glad the homeless were mentioned too. @ this point in the development of Outerspace, anyone can become "rich" if they`re intending on becoming a permanent resident. & being "rich" would mean "owning" a salvaged Lunar Rover (Russian or American). or a GEO artifact. see the thread:clunking our way to Mars. or holding a patent on the 1/6-1/3g retrofit kit.
Most people think cheaper is better and that how economics works. Let take the Walmartization of the American economy and the economic collapse. The United States took down the trade barriers and signing of NAFTA to open our border to free trade and free enterprise.
So what happens?
It cheaper to build things in factories overseas, so they close down there factories in America and the people are either out of work or they work at McDonlds for $5.00 hour and there factory job they got paid $20,00 dollars an hour. That means the wages of the American people are going to collapse, but prices at Walmart are going to be cheaper too. But, the wages will collapse faster than the prices at Walmart are decreasing. So your going to have whole few people working making much less than what they were making before. So your going to swelling unemployed people asking for help needing government assistance’s and you have a collapsing tax base too where the government is increasing becoming unable to meet that burden. All fifty state of the United States are in economic tailspin, because of the collapsing tax and increase needs of the unemployed or lower wages of people to pay government services. Now government on all levels inside the United States also own or control infrastructure that they build or maintain for public use. But, with the tax base collapsing, they can no longer build or maintain that infrastructure, because it too expensive and don't have the money for it. Also you will have deficits and currently it over 500 billion dollars a year trade deficits. If this process continues, the United States will collapse economically and may even disintegrate as a nation and cease to exit as a nation.
For any that thinks that cheaper is better, what is your answer to what I just wrote?
And what I wrote is actually what is going on in America right now too.
To reverse this problem, we go back to the U.S. Constitution where it give the Federal exclusive right to coin money and create credit and the Federal Government take that responsibility over away from the private bank called the Federal Reserve System. The United States call the other major nations into an economic conference to deal with this economic bankruptcy of both the United States and the rest of the world. The Federal Reserve is also put through a bankruptcy re-organization too. The NAFTA agreement will be canceled and trade barrier will go back to protect the American economy from further collapse. The United State will also suggest that other nation follow our lead to protect there economies too.
Now the United States is ready generate the credit that will be need to rebuild the United State and any other such projects like a space program. To have enough financial resources to accomplish this stated mission, the U.S. Government will need to generate between 500 billion to one trillion dollars per year and every year indefinitely. But, you can't just throw money into the economy and have something magic happen and have the economy turn around on it own. You have to pick target or infrastructure that needs to be built up to create jobs and rebuild your tax base that states, county and city need so they can do there job. So target things like building subway in city and super trains system. You target other infrastructure like building dams and bringing water down from Yukon river and Machinzee River basins down the rocky mountain trench to water both Western Canada and the United States. Then you cap this development program off by turning to NASA and giving them a new mission as to what you want to accomplish in space and them work up a time scale as to when they could have it done. That becomes the national goal for our space program for what we intend to do in space over say the twenty year and/or forty year and/or sixty year time frame. The credit that the U.S. Government has two primary purposes and making money is not one of the reason or at least not directly.
The purposes of this credit are:
1. To build the infrastructure that absolutly has to be built, because we need it to continue to provide for the needs of the American people. These are not make work projects just to keep the American busy either.
2. To create jobs and good paying job with benefits coupled with increase business actives and generally business development.
With this kind of flip flop in the American position, you create almost immediately six million new jobs in the public sector as a direct result of these new policies and discussion to build these infrastructural projects. Not too far behind this, the private sector start getting orders to for subway car and super trains and for rail, nuclear power plants contracts, concrete for dam projects, NASA second generation shuttle, etc. Not only does the private sector stop laying people, there going to have to start hiring people to meet the new demand for there products. So they start hiring people and another six million jobs are created private sector to produce those products.
I did not mean that all the investing that going be done is only going to be done by the U.S. Government only. Private individual, groups of people, corporation, banks and even investment houses having there own strategies of what there investing in. U.S. Government investment are to target areas of the economy that other investor won't even touch, but need to be built up to have functioning economy. It the government in these areas, that power the U.S. economy so these other investors can do what they do in other area of the U.S. economy.
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You are right about the out sourcing of jobs for cheaper labor and that people will take lesser paying jobs to survive. But that is not neccesarily caused by Nafta but more by greed. That while we wait for those jobs to come back it will be a very long time, I do think some will return. Also as those places laws and econimics will change for where our work was out sourced to. There labor too will start asking for more pay for the work that they do for there own wants and desires.
People want cheap to stay within there budgets and because they do not want to be indebt paying more in the long run with interest charges.
You are right in that jobs that pay well need to be created but why all only where the current industry is for space. Why not make use of the talent and those willing to work for less in other areas of this nation.
Oh by the way try living on 188 a week with a large family for a year, it does change your prospectivee on what is a want from a need...
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It is cheaper to get work done by factories abroad, there labour cost and lack of health and safety laws mean yes it will be cheaper. But what is really happening is that the Big corporations are going to these third world countries so that they can make extra profit to pay there shareholders more. This is called Capitalism
The problem is that any action the USA takes to stop this is called creating a trade barrier these lead to trade wars and since balance of trade is the export/import and if the USA imposes a trade barrier then other countries will do the same. And the cycle continues where American goods will cost more than other countries make so jobs get lost. When people lose there jobs or things do not get bought then a country is in recession. Just to make matters worse Most major american corporations rely on those profits to pay for the takeovers they have done over the years, if the profits get reduced then they have to shed jobs or go under. All this effects the goverment in paying for unemployment benefit and in reduced tax from buisness. So the simple fact is the American economy is between a rock and a hard place, there are no easy decisions that will result in quick fixes. If any Goverment puts up taxes too high to pay for its spending it will lose its next election when the other party says vote for us we reduce taxes. The other way is to reduce expenditure and that means not paying NASA or no more big defence contracts. And another point any attempt to tax buisness too much and they move we live in a global economy and this means that a company can move to better conditions and they do.
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We seem to have agreed that we should go for the moon first and to develop it to the stage where it can benefit missions to other destinations. So what do we use and what do we have to develop to get this done.
I honestly believe that NASA has not done the groundwork yet, it is only talking about it. NASA has been dominated by the shuttle and the ISS for years and has ignored the various MARS and MOON undergrounds that tried to get the space programme back on the track they should have been. There have been developments that will help but they are not linked into any form of a detailed plan with a general path laid out that can be followed. My general feeling is NASA is unsure what to do and until the elections are finished in november will not reveal any detailed plans. At the moment NASA is also not wanting to rock the applecart and will not fully embrace any private buisness ventures.
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a lesson to be learned is: don`t mix politix in w/ survival necessities.
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NASA has been working for the past forty years on space, but yet we haven't got anything substaintal in space, The ISS is more or less Russian Designed with european, asian and american flavors added, We don't have a long term strategy and in an election year the current US Administration decides to go back to Moon and Mars, but doesn't give reasons , just its a good idea.
So, NASA remodels itself to meet this change, and then gets its budget funding cut by Appropriations. That makes things look laughable, At the same time the Europeans and Chinese both are saying they will go to the moon and mars as well.
When you look at the developments from both sides of the campaign - are we really going to moon then mars or is this a political move to build votes through america's greatest. ? To be serious about going to the moon - a separate budget just for the moon is needed around 8-10 US$B per year to start and then move to 15-20 US$B to commence operations on the moon with the bare minimum for the prospects of something to happen for the future in human spaceflight and colonization.
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Dear Martian Republic/Larry:
I'm sorry, but near as I can tell, your interpretation of the American economy is bizarre. This recession was very mild. The loss of two million jobs is deplorable, but the economy has well over 100 million, maybe 150 million. Yes, jobs get "outsourced" to other countries, but the US also generates a lot of exports and millions of jobs have been created in the US to make products sold overseas. Even the flap a few months ago about call centers in India obscured the fact that as international call centers proliferate, many of them are in the US, and there are overseas companies that have their oveseas customers calling the United States because even though the workers here cost more, they do a better job.
The economy is not in a tailspin. Hardly. In fact, it is slowly recovering. Economic growth may never have gone negative at all in the last four years, just slowed to 1% or less per year. Technically, there may not even have been a recession (which is defined as two or more quarters of negative growth). And by the way I am NOT a Republican; in fact, I don't like Bush. But I am not one to swallow silly propaganda.
The world is going through the same laissez-faire phase that the US went through 120 years ago when it industrialized. Factories competed against each other for sales and thus depressed wages to the point workers could barely live. Marx predicted a proletarian revolution as a result. Europe was convulsed by a series of revolutions in 1848 and again in the 1870s. But labor unions formed, labor laws were passed, and government regulations limited the rapacious tendencies of competition. Real income rose. Workers began to buy automobiles and other consumer goods.
We are in the same situation now, but the competition is global. The solution is not to raise trade barriers; that will stiffle innovation, protect industries from the healthy aspect of competition, raise prices, and depress incomes. Rather, the solution is to help Mexican workers (and those in other developing countries) to unionize, help Mexican legislators pass labor laws, etc. Then Mexican workers will gradually get better pay and they will be forced to improve quality to compete against the better paid but more efficient American work force. The result will be higher wages worldwide and spreading prosperity.
In the 1780s, before the United States Constitution, every state protected its industries and exports with tariffs. New Yorkers had to pay tariffs on imported vegetables and manufactured goods from New Jersey. That nonsense was abolished by the Constitution, which swept away internal tariffs. Today we wouldn't even think that if a factory is closed in Massachusetts and reopened in North Carolina, this will cause the collapse of the national economy.
The Europeans have done the same in the last decade, with amazing results. When I drive across the Rhine from my wife's aunt's house in France to Germany, ON THE BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE OLD MAGINOT LINE BUNKER, I pass closed customs facilities and new tourist facilities ("Wilkomen im Frankenreich" it says!) that look like the sort of tourist facilities one sees driving from Illinois to Wisconsin. We drive over the Rhine to buy groceries at the Aldi's because it has some things that the "Geant" megastore in France lacks. We pay for things with the same euros in both countries. The Germans reciprocate by buying houses in France because they're slightly cheaper, and they drive over that same bridge over the Maginot Line bunker to go to work every day. And everyone drives over the border to Switzerland and buys gasoline with their Visa and Mastercard credit cards (they don't use euros) because it's slightly cheaper there.
The day is coming--in a few decades--when the US/Mexican border can be the same. There is a greater economic gap to close, but it can close. The Mexicans are not genetically lazy or ignorant; given the right economic and social policies, they can get just as rich as the Americans. If you prefer to close the border and keep their goods out, then their impoverished masses will sneak across the border at night (my best friend's fiancee swam the Rio Grande at night a decade ago to get here. She is now a US citizen. Some of the people in her party drowned in the river.)
-- RobS
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Martian Republic:
You really need to stop getting your economic theory from late night radio broadcasts. There is a reason that is the only forum they can get. The movement of cheap labor overseas is good for not only the US but the world. No US citizen wants to work in a sweathouse making clothes all day for only $2 and just because these low paying labor jobs have gone overseas does not mean our tax base is collapsing. The government receives almost nothing from low wage workers anyway. The reason the government is receiving less money now is because of the recession which we are coming out of. The tax base is hardly dwindling, the population is larger than ever before and people are making more money than ever before. John Kerry wants to return these low paying labor intensive jobs to America. This will increase the price of the goods, so less will be sold. Also rather than get an education or technical degree and find a better paying job some workers will no doubt settle in to this life of heavy labor, low pay, paying less taxes as well. You really have not thought seriously about what you are suggesting.
We have debated your economic ideas before and it is obvious that you have still not taken that macro-economic class that I suggested. This credit idea you have would ruin our economy in weeks. The worth of the dollar would plummet to almost nothing. The government cannot simply print and use money.
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But it seems like all the middle of the road jobs are the ones being outsourced. Everything from IT, Manufacturing, assembly and technicians. Where the low end wage earner was around the 8 to 10 an hour not the minimum of 5.15 like they are forced to take to survive. These are the only jobs not outsourced, which are service oriented, not high skilled and not requiring of educational knowledge.
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But it seems like all the middle of the road jobs are the ones being outsourced. Everything from IT, Manufacturing, assembly and technicians. Where the low end wage earner was around the 8 to 10 an hour not the minimum of 5.15 like they are forced to take to survive. These are the only jobs not outsourced, which are service oriented, not high skilled and not requiring of educational knowledge.
You hit the nail right on the head. You have to protect your domestic markets so you can have a productive functioning economy.
To do that you need protective tariff to equal the playing field so you don't either eliminate the manufacturing sector or force them to work for $2.00 hour and/or have no health benefits. If you refuse to do that, you will be destroyed as a nation or be reduced to a banana republic statue as a nation and not be a great nation like the United State anymore. Having a manufacturing sector is what generated the wealth that the United State has and as manufacturing goes, so goes America and it ability to remain a great nation. You lose the ability to build and maintain a great nation, you will also lose the ability to continue to be a great nation too. They go hand in hand with each other and don’t you ever forget it either.
Larry,
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Or you must penalize those companies who chose to move there suspossed head quarters off shore but still have there businesses on american soil.
Have a flexible hourly wage offset tarrif on imported goods for each nation.
But on the flip side there are other factors have caused some of the reasons for why companies are unwilling to pay people fair wages.
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Or you must penalize those companies who chose to move there supossed head quaters off shore but still have there businesses on american soil.
Have a flexible hourly wage offset tarrif on imported goods for each nation.
But on the flip side there are other factors have caused some of the reasons for why companies are unwilling to pay people fair wages.
If I were president of the United State and I had the support of the U.S. Population, bet I could reason with those people.
Since I would start where FDR started and the need control to control my own credit and I would renew Treasury right to generate credit. Since I'm figuring that I would have to generate about five hundred billion to one trillion dollars to re-industrialize the United States, upgrade the families farms, mining along with a whole host of other public works like a National levitated rail system with subways at all the major city's, new dams bring water to the western part of the United State, new nuclear power, a new Hill Burton hospital plan, Stick up a new NASA National Mission Goal, etc. Then come back with a Kennedy tax credit plan so that those companies in the manufacturing, farming, mining so they can both make expansions and buy new more productive machinery. A wish list of thing that I think that need to be develop to promote efficiency in a functioning American economy. I will pay you to develop for me and I will buy that product from what I need from you and you can market that product as you see fit afterward. I might throw a few other little goodies in there and then call those guys in and ask them if they want a piece of the action and what rule to get a piece action is. Then wait for a response. If all else fail, go out on the street and get people off the street and have the Federal Government set them up in business to replace those business that don't want to play ball with me. With a half a billion dollars worth contracts or more sitting out there to be pulled, it easier for me setup corporation and private contractor then to mess with them, then I would do that even if it cost more to do it that way too.
Larry
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Or you must penalize those companies who chose to move there supossed head quaters off shore but still have there businesses on american soil.
Have a flexible hourly wage offset tarrif on imported goods for each nation.
But on the flip side there are other factors have caused some of the reasons for why companies are unwilling to pay people fair wages.
This is called trade protection and there are treaties that stop this. If the USA does this then you will have other countries do the same to you. If it makes the products made by American workers too expensive then they cannot sell and jobs have to be lost. Companies will get around this too, if the R+D for new products is done in the USA then the actual product is made in another country.
Also there are things that are imported that are needed to make goods now these materials are cheap and reduce the real cost of American goods. But if taxed then this increases the cost of American goods and makes them frankly uncompetitive. Also as the cost of goods for sale increases then people in the USA will want more wages to pay for these goods this leads to inflation.
Frankly if you go onto a trade tarrif system the results for the United States economy and its trade deficit will be as disasterous as they can get. It would lead to an increase in fiscal debt as the Federal goverment has to spend money in Unemployment benefit and at the same time has a reduced tax base.
And finally if you deliberatly tax another countries goods what will they tax you to pay you back. The person to be most hurt in this is the small buisness who make luxury type items and who has little capacity to relocate to better financial climate. And as a final point if a buisness is struggling it gets taken over and this will be done by a company which can and will likely be foreign. Then the real home of this company is another country and there HQ is abroad. These are what we call Multi nationals.
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What is the correction to this existing problem of outsourcing and lowering of middle to lower class wages?
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Since I would start where FDR started and the need control to control my own credit and I would renew Treasury right to generate credit. Since I'm figuring that I would have to generate about five hundred billion to one trillion dollars to re-industrialize the United States, upgrade the families farms, mining along with a whole host of other public works like a National levitated rail system with subways at all the major city's, new dams bring water to the western part of the United State, new nuclear power, a new Hill Burton hospital plan, Stick up a new NASA National Mission Goal, etc. Then come back with a Kennedy tax credit plan so that those companies in the manufacturing, farming, mining so they can both make expansions and buy new more productive machinery. A wish list of thing that I think that need to be develop to promote efficiency in a functioning American economy. I will pay you to develop for me and I will buy that product from what I need from you and you can market that product as you see fit afterward. I might throw a few other little goodies in there and then call those guys in and ask them if they want a piece of the action and what rule to get a piece action is. Then wait for a response. If all else fail, go out on the street and get people off the street and have the Federal Government set them up in business to replace those business that don't want to play ball with me. With a half a billion dollars worth contracts or more sitting out there to be pulled, it easier for me setup corporation and private contractor then to mess with them, then I would do that even if it cost more to do it that way too.
Larry
Your economic theory is insane. By simply printing and spending $1 trillion you would send the US and the world economy into an instant decline. Most of the worlds monetary worth is connected to the worth of the US dollar. You would cause it's worth to drop to almost zero. Countries would quickly disconnect their money's worth from the US dollar, their money would gain worth while ours went to the gutter and stayed there. You can't easily fix this once it's done. The government would have to print $10,000 bills just so Americans could pay for a soda. Hitler did less damage to the US.
Family farms that cannot compete with todays farming corporations should fail. Do you understand anything about how the economy works? It's a lot like evolution, efficiency wins. You shouldn't spend money to keep inefficient businesses (like Amtrack) around.
A national rail system would be a huge waste of money. It cannot compete with air travel.
Tax credits? Great, increase the national debt even more.
Your idea about 'paying a company to develop something' is already in place. How do you think NASA and the military get all of their neat stuff? If you do not work with businesses simply because they won't play by your rules you get sued!
Give money to people on the streets who likely have no interest or knowledge of what it takes to run a small business is insane. Have you even taken a college level business or accounting course?
Go to school! A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Or you must penalize those companies who chose to move there supossed head quaters off shore but still have there businesses on american soil.
Have a flexible hourly wage offset tarrif on imported goods for each nation.
But on the flip side there are other factors have caused some of the reasons for why companies are unwilling to pay people fair wages.
This is called trade protection and there are treaties that stop this. If the USA does this then you will have other countries do the same to you. If it makes the products made by American workers too expensive then they cannot sell and jobs have to be lost. Companies will get around this too, if the R+D for new products is done in the USA then the actual product is made in another country.
Also there are things that are imported that are needed to make goods now these materials are cheap and reduce the real cost of American goods. But if taxed then this increases the cost of American goods and makes them frankly uncompetitive. Also as the cost of goods for sale increases then people in the USA will want more wages to pay for these goods this leads to inflation.
Frankly if you go onto a trade tarrif system the results for the United States economy and its trade deficit will be as disasterous as they can get. It would lead to an increase in fiscal debt as the Federal goverment has to spend money in Unemployment benefit and at the same time has a reduced tax base.
And finally if you deliberatly tax another countries goods what will they tax you to pay you back. The person to be most hurt in this is the small buisness who make luxury type items and who has little capacity to relocate to better financial climate. And as a final point if a buisness is struggling it gets taken over and this will be done by a company which can and will likely be foreign. Then the real home of this company is another country and there HQ is abroad. These are what we call Multi nationals.
Just for the sake of the argument lets say that I'm President of the United States and I look at this 500 billion dollars trade deficit and I say this is nut’s we have to do something about this. I would first figure out what need to be done to correct this problem and it will include trade barriers to protect the home market from being destroyed. Yes I will be putting up trade barrier, but for I do that I would be calling those other nation together for an economic summit to discuss this matter. I also know that they are also suffering from this free trade agreement also and there economies are collapsing too. Look at them and I say this free trade agreement is destroying the United State and the rest of the world too. Look at what this free trade did to Africa and starvation that going on there and it unacceptable to let this to continue or continue with these agreement. This economic collapse is not only hitting Africa, but is starting to hit south America, Europe, Asia and is even pulling the U.S. Economy down too and in the not too distant future, the United States could also look like Africa too with starvation in America too on that level. So here what I suggest we do. We still are going to have to trade with each others, that will not change, but certain trade barrier have go so each of our individual countries can protect our individual economies from economic collapse. Now we have to work out a solution that is beneficial to every one here and is a workable solution. Negotiation are now open for discussion. We negotiate we our trading partners and there will be problems, but we come up with something that we can at least work with even with it problems. The African nation come up and say we are completely busted and we can't say ourselves and we have no products to sell and are starving to death. I stand up as President of the United States and I say, we need to make a fund to finance rebuilding Africa with no charge to the African people because they can't pay for it so they can rebuild there countries in Africa. In America I have signed a five hundred billion dollar to one trillion dollars of credit on the Treasury Department to rebuild America and make us prosperous again. Here what I will do, I will sign a second note of credit on the Treasury Department of one trillion dollars with 0% and a thirty year termination date where that automatically goes to $0 dollar value so these African nation will have the money to rebuild there nations. Whether or not any other nation choose to engage in this great enterprise to rebuild Africa, I want you to know that America is committed to rebuilding Africa. This way they can take that trillion dollar credit note and go to American Manufacturers to trains, subway, farming equipment, manufacturing tool to setup factories, buy nuclear power and nuclear powered desalting plants the kind of infrastructure that you need to have to run a modern economy to rebuild there nation and make it prosperous also.
Now we will still be trading with other nations, but it will be the kind of trading that will be beneficial to everyone concerned in the trade. With rebuilding of both America and the rest of the world with massive projects, trading will actually increase and not decrease.
Most people don’t really understand what the true Nature of America and it Constitution is suppose to be and unfortunately many of those people that don't understand are also Americans too.
Larry,
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What is the correction to this existing problem of outsourcing and lowering of middle to lower class wages?
Already been answered in my last post.
Larry,
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Just for the sake of the argument lets say that I'm President of the United States and I look at this 500 billion dollars trade deficit and I say this is nut’s we have to do something about this. I would first figure out what need to be done to correct this problem and it will include trade barriers to protect the home market from being destroyed. Yes I will be putting up trade barrier, but for I do that I would be calling those other nation together for an economic summit to discuss this matter. I also know that they are also suffering from this free trade agreement also and there economies are collapsing too. Look at them and I say this free trade agreement is destroying the United State and the rest of the world too. Look at what this free trade did to Africa and starvation that going on there and it unacceptable to let this to continue or continue with these agreement. This economic collapse is not only hitting Africa, but is starting to hit south America, Europe, Asia and is even pulling the U.S. Economy down too and in the not too distant future, the United States could also look like Africa too with starvation in America too on that level. So here what I suggest we do. We still are going to have to trade with each others, that will not change, but certain trade barrier have go so each of our individual countries can protect our individual economies from economic collapse. Now we have to work out a solution that is beneficial to every one here and is a workable solution. Negotiation are now open for discussion. We negotiate we our trading partners and there will be problems, but we come up with something that we can at least work with even with it problems. The African nation come up and say we are completely busted and we can't say ourselves and we have no products to sell and are starving to death. I stand up as President of the United States and I say, we need to make a fund to finance rebuilding Africa with no charge to the African people because they can't pay for it so they can rebuild there countries in Africa. In America I have signed a five hundred billion dollar to one trillion dollars of credit on the Treasury Department to rebuild America and make us prosperous again. Here what I will do, I will sign a second note of credit on the Treasury Department of one trillion dollars with 0% and a thirty year termination date where that automatically goes to $0 dollar value so these African nation will have the money to rebuild there nations. Whether or not any other nation choose to engage in this great enterprise to rebuild Africa, I want you to know that America is committed to rebuilding Africa. This way they can take that trillion dollar credit note and go to American Manufacturers to trains, subway, farming equipment, manufacturing tool to setup factories, buy nuclear power and nuclear powered desalting plants the kind of infrastructure that you need to have to run a modern economy to rebuild there nation and make it prosperous also.
Now we will still be trading with other nations, but it will be the kind of trading that will be beneficial to everyone concerned in the trade. With rebuilding of both America and the rest of the world with massive projects, trading will actually increase and not decrease.
Most people don’t really understand what the true Nature of America and it Constitution is suppose to be and unfortunately many of those people that don't understand are also Americans too.
Larry,
The value of the American dollar is in what it represents and that is the perception of what the United states economy is. If you raise trade bariers you WILL not decrease the trade deficit you will increase it. Why who would buy super expensive American goods when they can get them from the tiger economies of the far east. Actually raiseing that sort of trade barrier will instantly benefit the Japanese economy and drive it out of its economic doldrums.
Other effects are that the price of Oil will now be quoted in Euros and a substantial bit of American power its economic apparent strength will fade. Africa is an example of what happens when free trade is not enforced the whole region is a quagmire of taxed movement of goods and poor infrastructure. Africa also is where when for every 100 million dollars you put as aid too about half is stolen by local politicians and officials. Africa is the possibly the richest region in terms of potential wealth but with the way it is locally governed it has the poorest per capita per person.
Oh one other thing if you insist on printing money coupled with your "economic reforms" then you will be printing trillion dollar notes that is what the price of inflation will make the price of a loaf of bread a trillion dollars to get one. No country is what it is worth now we are not on the gold standard there is more money in circulation than the promise note states. "To pay the bearer"
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What is the correction to this existing problem of outsourcing and lowering of middle to lower class wages?
Already been answered in my last post.
Larry,
Im sorry to say that it has not been answered. The problem is supply and demand more and more of the population do what was called middle class work this is office white collar jobs. But when the demographics change then so does what what we have traditionally called the wages structure.
The only way in the end to improve wages is to either be in a job where supply is smaller than demand or the harder way raise the living standards of everyone.
Chan eil mi aig a bheil ùidh ann an gleidheadh an status quo; Tha mi airson cur às e.
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Martian Republic:
Grypd is exactly correct.
The $500 billion trade deficit is caused by the American public, not the government. Are you going to tell Americans they can't buy a Toyota or a Sony? Or are you going to increase the taxes on imports? Either way you lose because the other country will simply raise their tariffs on our products and thus their people will find other, cheaper products to buy. There are plenty of economic summits as it is. Increasing tarriff's is declaring economic war. I don't know where you are getting your idea that our country and other countries economies are collapsing but I'm sure it's from some conspiracy minded whacko who has a radio show on from 2 to 3 am.
Africans caused Africa's problems, not free trade. Africans have been starving since the beginning of time. Free trade is good for the world and since Africa depends so much on world aid it is thus good for Africa.
In case you haven't noticed the US economy is coming out of the recession. That is why the Fed is raising interest rates. Haven't you been paying attention?
Rebuild Africa? What nation are you talking about? Which part of it fell down? Somalia? You've got to be kidding right?
As I've already stated and Grypd as well your $500 billion to $1 trillion would doom the world's major economies on a scale equivalent to WW2.
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What is the correction to this existing problem of outsourcing and lowering of middle to lower class wages?
Already been answered in my last post.
Larry,
Im sorry to say that it has not been answered. The problem is supply and demand more and more of the population do what was called middle class work this is office white collar jobs. But when the demographics change then so does what what we have traditionally called the wages structure.
The only way in the end to improve wages is to either be in a job where supply is smaller than demand or the harder way raise the living standards of everyone.
I can see, your still stuck in failed economic policies like Reagan Supplied side economic policies. Other like the Market Forces dictating the right price in the market place. Other like buy low and sell high economic policies of Adam Smith.
But, actually all that stuff is rubbish and does not work. This secret hand that working the market place is quietly stealing you blind by the way they rick the market places prices by the way they raise prices of good and services along with raising and lowering interest on loans and the ground rent that they charge also. But, if you believe that leaving the central private banking system in the hand of Alan Greenspan who is currently generating many trillions of dollars of either credit or dollar a year, along with Wall Street speculator play derivatives in the ten of trillions of dollars along with jacking real state that being added to every thing you buy is not going to raise price even in supply side economic. Then I have nothing more to say except that if FDR would have used your policies the United States would not have survived the depression and Nazi Germany would have taken over the world. But, what I would do with my credit system would increase the value of one hour to the amount of goods and services that you could buy. Most of my credit that I would be using would go to growing, building and creating the end product and not financing a debt overhang that keep growing and growing until it collapses the economic system with worthless paper. But, personally I would rather work this economic problem out through the U.S. Government with open hearings so that I can see what going on vs what goes on behind the closed doors of the Rothschild, Alan Greenspan and that those kinds of groups. I believe I will get a better deal or at least I stand a better change on getting a better deal economically.
Larry,
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Just for the sake of the argument lets say that I'm President of the United States and I look at this 500 billion dollars trade deficit and I say this is nut’s we have to do something about this. I would first figure out what need to be done to correct this problem and it will include trade barriers to protect the home market from being destroyed. Yes I will be putting up trade barrier, but for I do that I would be calling those other nation together for an economic summit to discuss this matter. I also know that they are also suffering from this free trade agreement also and there economies are collapsing too. Look at them and I say this free trade agreement is destroying the United State and the rest of the world too. Look at what this free trade did to Africa and starvation that going on there and it unacceptable to let this to continue or continue with these agreement. This economic collapse is not only hitting Africa, but is starting to hit south America, Europe, Asia and is even pulling the U.S. Economy down too and in the not too distant future, the United States could also look like Africa too with starvation in America too on that level. So here what I suggest we do. We still are going to have to trade with each others, that will not change, but certain trade barrier have go so each of our individual countries can protect our individual economies from economic collapse. Now we have to work out a solution that is beneficial to every one here and is a workable solution. Negotiation are now open for discussion. We negotiate we our trading partners and there will be problems, but we come up with something that we can at least work with even with it problems. The African nation come up and say we are completely busted and we can't say ourselves and we have no products to sell and are starving to death. I stand up as President of the United States and I say, we need to make a fund to finance rebuilding Africa with no charge to the African people because they can't pay for it so they can rebuild there countries in Africa. In America I have signed a five hundred billion dollar to one trillion dollars of credit on the Treasury Department to rebuild America and make us prosperous again. Here what I will do, I will sign a second note of credit on the Treasury Department of one trillion dollars with 0% and a thirty year termination date where that automatically goes to $0 dollar value so these African nation will have the money to rebuild there nations. Whether or not any other nation choose to engage in this great enterprise to rebuild Africa, I want you to know that America is committed to rebuilding Africa. This way they can take that trillion dollar credit note and go to American Manufacturers to trains, subway, farming equipment, manufacturing tool to setup factories, buy nuclear power and nuclear powered desalting plants the kind of infrastructure that you need to have to run a modern economy to rebuild there nation and make it prosperous also.
Now we will still be trading with other nations, but it will be the kind of trading that will be beneficial to everyone concerned in the trade. With rebuilding of both America and the rest of the world with massive projects, trading will actually increase and not decrease.
Most people don’t really understand what the true Nature of America and it Constitution is suppose to be and unfortunately many of those people that don't understand are also Americans too.
Larry,
The value of the American dollar is in what it represents and that is the perception of what the United states economy is. If you raise trade bariers you WILL not decrease the trade deficit you will increase it. Why who would buy super expensive American goods when they can get them from the tiger economies of the far east. Actually raiseing that sort of trade barrier will instantly benefit the Japanese economy and drive it out of its economic doldrums.
Other effects are that the price of Oil will now be quoted in Euros and a substantial bit of American power its economic apparent strength will fade. Africa is an example of what happens when free trade is not enforced the whole region is a quagmire of taxed movement of goods and poor infrastructure. Africa also is where when for every 100 million dollars you put as aid too about half is stolen by local politicians and officials. Africa is the possibly the richest region in terms of potential wealth but with the way it is locally governed it has the poorest per capita per person.
Oh one other thing if you insist on printing money coupled with your "economic reforms" then you will be printing trillion dollar notes that is what the price of inflation will make the price of a loaf of bread a trillion dollars to get one. No country is what it is worth now we are not on the gold standard there is more money in circulation than the promise note states. "To pay the bearer"
I already answered this question, trade agreement with other nation is how the price will be set.
We will set the price of oil at the same time. We will set a price on the oil so the Arabs can make a reasonable price on there oil and take care of the things that they need and what they need to be doing for there country.
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Well, lets get away from politics, and back on the reasons to go to the moon first, well, the Topic - " Mining H3 on the Moon " answers the reason, and that we should be looking for long term development oon the moon.
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AS the topic got way off course we all saw the why funding for this project is being quashed and we have some answers to correcting the middle class issue of economics. Such that the funding could be initiated.
We also know that the pay back of every dollar invested is a long term recouperation though direct returns and by some not so direct, mainly though spin off developements.
We have a variety of taxes for funding other government projects federal as well as state. While I am not in favor of it or even want a new tax that may be used to pay for space exploration we must do something, it could be pennies on all foriegn built products that we all purchase.
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Funding for Space, can be developed in many ways - It depends on what the public wants. In the upcoming election document with three or so choices for the people to choice from will be used to fund the expansion into space based on developing technologies and facilities to increase the energy systems and other activities that enhance our lifestyle ( enhance Public Lifestyle and keeps America strong, sound bite) then they vote and the best funding solution wins and they is implemented for only the space advancement program separate from the NASA Budget.
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