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Thank you, Larry
I wasn't but the boundary for all country is the earth / space atomspheric limit. (approx. 100KM up ), Also what happens when large private consortiums don't like the rules from one nation or another in space, and they start developing their own, because that is what you are saying, its up to anyone to make the rules and then hold there turf against the next one.
That is crazy !!!, The Nations of the Earth are for Earth only, even in the Sciene Fiction world of Babylon 5 still had nations but aslo a world leadership when it comes to the space and doing things for humanity in space under Earthforce.
AGAIN
I SAY " it will not happen in my lifetime, but we need to push for this now and build the ground rules for these environment before we more to mars or any other major destination out in space "
IF NOT, It might cause more issues that could make the development of space and issue that could cause major issues on earth between nations.
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The USA is not going to listen to any non-US organisation Comstar3. The government has difficulty enough listening to the will of the people, as demonstrated by the scandle in Florida four years ago.
You can set it up if you like, and maybe China would show interest, but everyone from ESA, USA, and RSA is going to see it as a waste of time and all the smart ones will try desperately to avoid it. So only the old, the foolish and the young will get in, which will undermine it's reputation even more.
As for handing $15B a year over to any organisation that is not controlled rigidly (or does not rigidly control) congress is simply not going to happen. They won't evven give that *cough* 'large' a sum to a company like McDD to build something like the DC-X. What chance has a UN derived organisation have?
ANTIcarrot.
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I am glad that this thread has become a good discusion of what it would take to be a united Earth Space Rights conceptual thought process. But lets keep it all in a positive manner. Maybe space like Babylon 5 or of any of the Star treks is a long way off but it is the right direction to take humanity.
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Anticarrot,
Does this mean, the first to mars will on the rights of mars and its resources and the first to the outer planets will own the same ?
Disregard the outer space treaty, and the other treaties ? It looks like what we are taking about because when the signed treaty holders breach the agreements are null and void, and then all bets are off, and I think that is what china and other space faring nations are feeling.
Its going to be interesting !!!!!
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The American, Don't have the budget to match, europe if they decide to expand there Space program, with now 20+ Countries and some of the countries come with a high skill, but lower cost base for labour than USA.
And the people of America, want security over space , So it is a perfect time for other space nations to expand their own programs.
It is going to be fun, fun, fun !!!!!!
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We talk a lot about what Nasa could be doing and then we find out that Nasa is doing a lot of unrelated Space activities.
NASA sets stage for personal aircraft
Flying-car dreams could spawn new type of vehicle
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5750922/
Nasa definitely needs to be stream lined for space activites only.
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Read this information about global space development
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http://space-law.org/ISDAC/ISDAC.html]Global Space Authority
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Interesting it would be able to legislate licences for the actual use of off earth resources so providing security. It will also be able to deliver funds from its bank and supply investment.
Of course it will also allow the creation of United Nations Space Police I can see some forum members exploding right now......
Chan eil mi aig a bheil ùidh ann an gleidheadh an status quo; Tha mi airson cur às e.
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Space organization policies and UN like assemblies are not a bad thing if it has the authority to enforce the Laws or rules governing space activity. But what are the consiquences of breaking the law or of who will pass judgement, who is it's armed forces or police to make this happen.
This is one of the reasons why the UN does not work in and of its self is the control of power to control or enforce laws is watered down and is not strong enough.
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But, It shows that alot of people are discussing the same issues, and wanting the same, free interstellar marketplace, with a global set of rules for all people of earth to benefit from. I would believe the UN should be given the powers to enforce laws for all humanity outside the earth, and the creation of a interstellar marshals under that authority ( agency of the UN) or separate agency under the UN Security council and that would give oversee control for the United Nations State Members at the sametime Independence of the marshal service.
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I don't think the licensing of space activiteis should be done from any country but from a international body under the control of the United Nations. Made up of one representative from USA, Russia, Europe, Japan, China, and Australia, with three other representative chosen by the UN and rotated every six months. Panel of nine makes decisions by majority with strict guidelines on bio-sphere and human safety and aherence to global space related treaties. On vessel design, or propulsion system or live support systems or reasons for space activity, only if they conflict with safety issues.
Why do I hae the feeling that this body would become more of a tool to limit the US space rogram and prop p the inferior majority?(like the real UN)
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The American, Don't have the budget to match, europe if they decide to expand there Space program, with now 20+ Countries and some of the countries come with a high skill, but lower cost base for labour than USA.
And the people of America, want security over space , So it is a perfect time for other space nations to expand their own programs.
It is going to be fun, fun, fun !!!!!!
You must be Joking, right? The US economy is already larger *and* growing faster than the EU25/EU15/Eurozone/etc. and we are already less burdened by a *much* lower tax rate and we have much more income per capita to spare it.
Europe is coming in a pension crisis and cannot even afford a decent military to afford their utopian socialist promises. most EU countries have median ages above 40 (US is 35, EU averag is 40) and some will be above 50 in just a few decades! It is at a point that taxing for anything other than the elderly will dramatically affect their economy and thus, their ability to pay for a space program.
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Space organization policies and UN like assemblies are not a bad thing if it has the authority to enforce the Laws or rules governing space activity. But what are the consiquences of breaking the law or of who will pass judgement, who is it's armed forces or police to make this happen.
This is one of the reasons why the UN does not work in and of its self is the control of power to control or enforce laws is watered down and is not strong enough.
The UN does not work because little POS countries like Swaziland have a much of a say as Germany or even the US in a general assembly!! Libya and Sudan have been on the Human right council in recent months, and Iraq and Iran on the nonproliferation councils!!! dont even get me stared on the UN Oil-for-Guns("food") program, which may have been the biggest scam in human history money-wise! The UN is joke
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We already have international police the interpol being a prime example so to create a police force to enforce laws in space is a good idea. But tied to a more powerful UN hmmm.
The United Nations is a good idea but as an organisation it is weak, It is the individual member states that decide the policy that the United Nations follow. We are at the crossroads, what will we become large country, treaty organisations type of world or a true world goverment. Certainly the idea of small countries going it on their own seems to be dieing. It is Ironic that it seems to be the actions of the United States and its allies which has shown this. If a country is going off on its own and has for some reason been doing things that other countries dislike this country is sanctioned. If it continues it becomes legal to use Military force to force that country into line. I agree with the use this power has been used before but I tend to be cautious about the future. What happens if my own country Britain decides that it would be happy to leave the EU or has its own fishing policy that protects the fish around our coasts, Would it mean that we get sanctioned as we where not toeing the line. Things will be getting interesting I think
Chan eil mi aig a bheil ùidh ann an gleidheadh an status quo; Tha mi airson cur às e.
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Vir Stellae,
I see you like or dislike my comments, regarding who should build the legal and licensing framework for space. Some Americans have an issue with control over everything they do, they where the same one that want total control over the administration of the internet, and it they don't eventually give that control over the licensing and legal framework for the net it will fall down and split into many sub-nets. The same could happen in space with competing countries will decide to create legal and licensing frameworks and also large private interests will be separate as well, this will create chaos in space for humanity, and could lead to conflict between nations and individuals on earth as well in space.
Remember anything we design always has two choices peaceful or warlike that includes space development ( example mass drivers - transport mechanism for resources and also a weapon to launch meteors-like projectiles, So, we need the whole planet on the " same page " for legal, enforcement and licensing for space. When you are not in space you are Human > Earthling > then region on earth (USA or Australia or Russian etc. )
Get out of your box regarding patriotism because that is only for earth not space unless you are talking about earth patriotism that's different.
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Very nicely put in Earth Patriotism above all else when it comes to space.
A lot of the old cold war additudes and justifications are fading with time as more nations begin there own trips towards freedom and democracy in some form or another. Cooperation is the key to this continual growth of freindship and of trust as we move forward into the space age.
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Cooperation only works when you have a common foe to cooperate against. competition, whether it be between people, businesses, or countries, have acheived *exponentially* more than cooperation.
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