Naming Martian Settlements 2 - Continued from previous thread

Spider-Man · 2003-09-09 17:43:34

I've used the word Terran for quite awhile, to refer to people who live on Earth.
And I have never had anyone ask me, "What do you mean by 'terran?'"
Fortunately language is quite understandable given context. And regardless of peoples pedantic nature, word usage will continue to evolve. I suspect that 'terran' will indeed become "part of our language" because 'terrestrial' is quite long-winded, and has a broader meaning than just "a person who lives on Earth."

Very true. Maybe it will indeed...

And you guys are hilarious. Reminds me of an argument I used to carry on with an ol' Briton friend of mine...

Palomar · 2003-09-10 09:10:07

Of course Spiderman, I do have a question for you now, have you ever found a word that actually existed?
Think about it.

*Of course not, since words are symbolic.

The word "arms" will always only be spoken and/or written, and is symbolic of a physical reality. At least I think these long things protruding from my shoulders are arms.

--Cindy

Spider-Man · 2003-09-10 14:36:26

Lovely poetry, friend.

And indeed, Cynthia is the goddess of dreams as well... *Smiles.*

Actually, it's almost ironic; Artemis was known for being primal, irrational, instead of logical and cunning, the source of the unconcious mind and the ruler of the dream world. Despite the reverie our dear Cindy naturally brings us to, as with bardic Clark, she is extraordinarily rational, wise, thoughtful, and aware, having the qualities of perfection imparted to Athena, goddess of wisdom (and war, and weaving, and philosophy, and Athens, and so forth).
And so, our very own lunar goddess possesses not only the charm, passion, and inspiration of her namesake, but also a great deal of intelligence and wisdom, so much so that it is difficult to disagree with her.

Palomar · 2003-09-12 09:29:39

Despite the reverie our dear Cindy naturally brings us to, as with bardic Clark, she is extraordinarily rational, wise, thoughtful, and aware, having the qualities of perfection imparted to Athena, goddess of wisdom (and war, and weaving, and philosophy, and Athens, and so forth).
And so, our very own lunar goddess possesses not only the charm, passion, and inspiration of her namesake, but also a great deal of intelligence and wisdom, so much so that it is difficult to disagree with her.

*Spider-Man, I don't know what to do with all these overwhelming compliments. My husband could learn a few things from you! :;):

Clark: "The first song ever played on Mars was Ring of Fire, by Johnny Cash."

*He recorded it; his wife (deceased 5/2003) June Carter Cash is the person who wrote it in honor of her love for him.

An ideal first song on Mars would be Lennon's "Imagine," in my opinion.

--Cindy

Spider-Man · 2003-09-12 15:26:06

*Spider-Man, I don't know what to do with all these overwhelming compliments.

I'm holding back, honestly. *Chuckles.* And you take them quite well; indeed, I know if I'm able to make a friend if she will allow me to compliment her. If not, and she is repulsed (due to some jaded contemporary thinking about the conventions of society), then no friendship can there be.

My husband could learn a few things from you! :;):

Ah, but clearly, from him must I learn, for he has charmed an angel out of heaven to walk the earth and to grace him with her enlightening presence each and every day, granting him illumination to his hours more brilliant than sunlight, and more beautiful than moonlight ? And for that, he is to be the envy and admiration of all.

An ideal first song on Mars would be Lennon's "Imagine," in my opinion.

Possibly...But maybe something more profound and celestial would do... I'll have to think about that one...

Heck, Holst's "Mars: Bringer of War" from The Planets would probably be best to play en route to the Red Planet, perhaps when entering orbit, or the like.

Byron · 2003-09-12 17:10:39

Ah, but clearly, from him must I learn, for he has charmed an angel out of heaven to walk the earth and to grace him with her enlightening presence each and every day, granting him illumination to his hours more brilliant than sunlight, and more beautiful than moonlight ? And for that, he is to be the envy and admiration of all.

Spider-Man...have you thought about becoming a novelist? With the kind of language you've been posting on here, I think you'll make a danged good one...

Another thing...whoever ends up marrying you is going to be one lucky woman!...

B

Spider-Man · 2003-09-13 21:20:00

Spider-Man...have you thought about becoming a novelist? With the kind of language you've been posting on here, I think you'll make a danged good one...

You're too kind, Byron. Yes, actually, I am writing a novella right now. Once it's published, I'll happily let you know, if you like.

Another thing...whoever ends up marrying you is going to be one lucky woman!...

Thank you for the compliment, friend. I only hope that I can bring my future lady happiness, return the joy she would most certainly give me simply by her very being itself.

alokmohan · 2003-10-05 05:09:48

Certainly your honey moon will be at the base of OLYMPUS?I will not go.

Scott G. Beach · 2003-10-13 20:52:11

Euthenia - A Good Place that Becomes Better Every Day.

In Greek mythology, Euthenia was the goddess of prosperity and plenty. Her image appears on the coins of several early Mediterranean civilizations. I believe that Euthenia is an excellent name for a martian settlement.

The word euthenics is derived from the Greek word euthenein, which means ?to flourish.? Euthenics is defined by Webster?s dictionary as ?a science that deals with development of human well-being by improvement of living conditions.?

People who live in Euthenia could be referred to as Euthenians. And if they applied the science of euthenics to their efforts to improve their living conditions then they could be referred to as euthenists. If they made it their policy to try to continuously improve their well-being and living conditions then their settlement?s motto might be ?Euthenia - a good place that becomes better every day.?

If the Euthenians were euthenists then their society could be referred to as a sociocracy. Webster?s dictionary defines sociocracy as ?the application of scientifically determined principles promoting the interests o
f society as a whole.?

Byron · 2003-10-23 12:55:15

Clark, will ya stop being so hard on yourself?

I'm reasonably sure that there will be laws against tossing people out the airlock when we get to Mars...at least I hope so!

B

Hazer · 2003-11-02 01:45:46

Martian Justice in the Early Years of the colony
There was a lawyer who docked,
Around Mons at 9 o'clock.
He argued it unfair,
To deny criminals air.
And was promptly thrown out the airlock.

RobS · 2003-11-03 09:49:51

I have liked the name "Irenia" which would mean (from the Greek irene) "place of peace." It would work well in all western languages, also.

-- RobS

Yang Liwei Rocket · 2004-03-10 05:50:01

How can we give the place a name worthy of its first brave settlers?

New-Jerusalem, Londinium, Astro-City, New-China-Town, Nasa-City, OlympusTown...?

There has been much talk of this before on redcolony. com and marshome , even some of those videogamer sites have had serious debates on this.

People have sugested to name the settlemets and colony after some of the mars probes, Viking, Beagles, Spirit, Zond, Mariner, Pathfinder..

Others say it should be named after some of our great leaders, and space explorers, Glenn, Titov, Gagarin, Aldrin...

Should we name the first colony after the first people that get there, or the first company that builds this little town?

like most places on earth I'm sure the local people will be able to come up with a good name

I don't think we need to give Mars a name because, most places on Earth are well able to name themselves..
Eureka, Nevada, got its name when miners shouted, "Eureka!" - meaning I have found it - upon discovering gold in the 1860s
Buena vista' literally meaning 'good view, now you can see where this place got the name its called today
A hutong is an ancient city alley or lane typical in Beijing, where hutongs run into the several thousand. Surrounding the Forbidden City, many were built during the Ming dynasties.
It originates from the word "hottog" in Mongolian meaning "water well."
Ljubljana in Europe Solvenia, Some people claim that the city was named after an ancient city deity that the early Slavs called Laburus.
Others maintain that the name derives from Latin and that the city was named
after a flooding river "aluviana", or that the name derives from the word "Laubach",
meaning "a swamp".
Those who ? like the playwright and historian Anton Toma? Linhart -
are fond of the city believe that its
name can only derive from the Slavic word "luba", meaning beloved.

Carson City is named for the nearby Carson River
Drogheda which is an evolved spelling derived
from the Celtic word Droichead meaning bridge.
Sveaborg city/town named after a swedish fortress or "Sweden's Castle
Japan had a settlement known as Edo, meaning ?mouth of the estuary", the Japan Emperor
the Emperor Meiji moved the imperial court from Kyoto to Edo,
re-named the city to its name of Tokyo (?eastern capital?).
Independence City, called after Jamaica's 1962 independence from Britain. I'm sure our Martians will be able to come up with names that are just as good as the ones on earth.

Earthfirst · 2004-03-12 21:23:52

I look over some of the names, not creative.
I would go for names like Porn and chiken, Boom town, Red Light, Tombstone, Gun sight, Waterton.
Also Who Flung Poo? Pettie coat junction, or my favorte nowhere mars.
How about willy dilly vile, right next to monica internaca.
With a huge bill clinton monument.
Kelvin, Tec Nos Post, Mexican hat, Delta, Beaver, Williams named afeter the great mountian man bill williams. All real towns on earth.
Terra Nova, after all the transplants from earth.
Terrains gone wild, party school on mars, spring break last twice as long as it does on earth.

~Eternal~ · 2004-04-01 20:31:17

Underhill
Robinson
Verne
Wells
Elyus
Olympia
Crusoe
City of the Magi <-- Eh... eventually towns will have to "spark" up there name to get colonist.

Mundaka · 2004-04-04 04:22:53

Byron · 2004-04-04 06:01:12

Hi everyone, just watched star trek in spanish, which got me wondering: which language will be the lingua franca of space conquest, and why? :hm:

English!

Why? Because English is the international language of trade, science, etc, and the strong likelihood that Americans will predominate in space. As for the Chinese (who'll be No. 2 in space, imo)...hopefully they'll switch over to English as well, as I hear that learning Chinese is a real pain in the butt...lol.

B

Bill White · 2004-04-04 14:29:40

Hi everyone, just watched star trek in spanish, which got me wondering: which language will be the lingua franca of space conquest, and why? :hm:
English!
Why? Because English is the international language of trade, science, etc, and the strong likelihood that Americans will predominate in space. As for the Chinese (who'll be No. 2 in space, imo)...hopefully they'll switch over to English as well, as I hear that learning Chinese is a real pain in the butt...lol.
B

Fast forward 300 years and ask which language is most widely spoken throughout the solar system, and why. What we do, or do not do, today and in the coming decades will influence the answer to this question to a great extent.

The English language has the lead, IMHO, but never forget the moral of the fable: "The tortoise and the hare"

Whether or not the Chinese could have ruled the world if they had not burned their ships 500 years ago, if modern day Chinese decide to resent Western "cultural imperialism" they will have great incentive to answer the foregoing question with:

Mandarin.

= = =

If the EU wins the next space race, we will all need translator programs on our PalmPilots. :;):

SBird · 2004-04-05 10:54:42

Don't forget that English is also a real pain for Chinese to learn. I suspect that the world in the future will largely speak English and Mandarin. Arabic might be a possibility if the Araba nations can get their act to gethe and develop industries that aren't based on oil.

Expect to have to be at least bilingual to operate in the future.

Scott Beach · 2022-06-28 17:32:27

Bonanza

"Bonanza is an American Western television series that ran on NBC from September 12, 1959, to January 16, 1973."

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-29 08:44:31

Perhaps let the people on Mars name their own settlements and towns and name their own city.

I am for US values like freedom of discussion but I'm not sure if I'm always against book burning, for example I see jihad islam ideology not as a religion but as an invasive subversive cult with some of the worst of human ideas like Communism and Fascism. They were once leaders of the civilization, wonders of Egypt, Babylon, Arabia, for now I wish one thing, no more islamo jihad names to be proliferated to outer space. This mistake the identity politics left makes is some do not understand sickness called islam is not a race, it is not an ethnicity, it is a very bad set of ideas that should always be criticized. I think the Quran or Koran is a terrible book, maybe as backward hateful regressive as the Communist writings as Karl Marx or Hitler's Mein Kampf, in our world there are already millions of copies of of this stupid islamic book for the idiots so if a few hundred thousand copies of the crappy islamic texts were burnt I don't think much would be lost. You can spot a dedicated muslim because they almost have this unicorn thing on their head, a large lump from banging their head into the floor and their buttocks pointing into some other guys face behind them. Maybe if people were logical and not religiously emotional heat energy not islamo jihad hate energy would be generated and people would feel warmer. One of the few weapons the muslim is successful at is the weatherization of 'immigration' when they can not defeat an enemy directly on the battlefield they are instructed to use a softer stealth jihad and invade by the way of "Hijra"or Hegira a tactic used by their terrorist prophet 14000 years ago. Perhaps Trump's 'Wall Building' and Poland saying 'Not One Muslim' was the start of something different, perhaps they are their own worst enemy bombing pop concerts and shooting cartoons and calling for Fatwa on Rushdie. I think they do not have that possible advantage which they once had. I feel the first town will have an American name or an English name that reflects US culture, however I would not be shocked to know the first village or city on Mars will have a Chinese name.

Right now the culturally dominate powers of the world are the United States an English speaking country that has led the world through tech, military, exchange of ideas and the game of politics and through a lesser extent its partners in Great Britain, Canada and Australia helped American influence. Spanish is the most widely spoken language but it does not have the power and influence of the English speaking world, French were know as Empire builders but for a time they are in decline as a world power. I feel England is probably the mostly closest traditional ally to the United States even though they once upon a time went to war with each other due to that Monarchy 'Independence' idea. The Russians and the Soviet Union used to be the next biggest influence on the World and in space but the USSR is now gone, Putin has brought back Imperialism but if he success in taking Land from Ukraine I believe his success will be limited, it will cost him time and blood and treasure and the Russian economy might never be the same. At one time people believed Japan would take over the world through tech and influence and economics but they have stagnated, other Asian powers are rising in its place. The mohammedanism will always amount to Nothing, every technology has to be given to them by outside forces such as the USA or Russia playing their proxy wars and hoping this demonic islamist jihadi culture won't betray them and stab them in the back, even now both sides could be indirectly covertly funding islamics inside Ukraine, if this a 'progressed' way of think or regression into more war, betrayal and profiteering from war, mercenaries and murder? If you look at Awards and Discovery and Invention and Production, look Nobel Prizes and for the moment let's ignore the Prizes for things like Politics and Poetry and just look at pure mathematics and chemistry and physics and medical discovery and other sciences think of how many Americans, Japanese, German, French, Jewish, Australian, Hindu Indian Sub Continent Desi peoples, Oriental Asian or Italian have won...and then count how many muslim Arabs winning awards almost None! I remember a few Egyptian names and I'm not even sure they were muslim, perhaps Pagan types who believed in the spiritualism of the Sky, Sand Sea and Pharaoh, perhaps they were Christian or Atheist, I don't think they want to proliferate islam much. It is difficult for your civilization to progress when an evil person can accuse the neighbor of blasphemy and the mob kills them, or women get stoned to death or they say Mahomet was the perfect man, a pedophile terrorist and slaver from 1400 yrs ago who married a 6 yr old Aisha and sucked the tongue of little boys is said to be the perfect man and the Quran or Koran is said to be the 'Perfect Book'. That is not to say each and every muslim is bad, some will be innocent and the first victims of 'islam' the individual muslim might have some sort of good quality as an individual person but islam is a backward set of ideas. Out of the assumed billions of muslims in the world almost none have a 'Nobel Prize' it is difficult to progress when these theocratic tell you that you must go to the Mosque to pray to this demon Moongod called al-Lah FIVE TIMES PER DAY!! Mesopotamia Arabia was once one of the leaders one of the centers of civilization, since the arrival of islam it has never fully recovered.

I expect the culture of Australia and its kangaroos to be inside Biodomes of Mars before islam, I expect the variety of Spanish foods and music to be on Mars before a Saudi or Iranian jihad sets up their mosque. Anyone who proliferates islamism into space to Mars is spreading some of the most evil and backward regressive darkness of humanity into space, they are spreading toxic regressive human cancer and helping push some of the worst ideas of humanity.

Maybe the first Settlements will have an American name

Would it be named New-Cape-City...I don't know if Musk is so proud and nationalist about his link to Capetown and his South African heritage he seems to care more for the USA, perhaps it could be some Private sector Elon Musk weird twitter named colony ' X Æ A-12 ' is what he named his child?

the way our world is changing it could also you need to learn how to read Chinese to pronounce the name of the settlement

ESA and Japan although high-tech they have no homegrown access to manned spaceflight. The largest economies on Earth are the United States and EU, recently the EU has got smaller since Brexit. China is growing and may soon pass the EU and US, even if China only grows to half of the purchasing power of the USA it will still be almost twice as powerful economically. Japan is still a big player, Germany the British and French, India might soon pass the British and French, Italy and Canada have big worldwide economic influence, South Korea is growing and Russia once noted as a leader in space and know for its big Soviet Union military might fall behind Brazil. If you were to only go by numbers of peoples you would expect 'muslim' to rank somewhere but they do not, even back in the day traditionally their so-called prophet mahomet would fight among his own, ready to go to war with some aunt or uncle or cousin, you might also expect Negroid Bantu Congoid cultures to have a big say in world affairs but they do not, Tamil, Arabic, Bengali, Turkish, there are many speakers of types of Pidgin jive-speaking rapper creole languages that other Native fluent English speakers have difficulty understanding, these people also have small world influence. Australia and Switzerland for their smaller size have far more economic and political influence on the world, maybe Mars and its settlements could follow a similar way?

Shakespeare spelled "color" with a 'u'. However, that is a French vulgarization of the classical Latin. Webster, again, bless his heart, fixed it, and returned the word to its proper spelling. Most "-ou-" appearances in modern British English are in fact added in order to make themselves different from Americans, not the other way around.
I find it ironic that the British wish to be more like the French, and then look their noses down at our spellings, when in fact we have the highest, the least disrupted of all.

Some day I might finally get around to reading all Shakespeare poems and plays but Hamlet is always one where I keep falling asleep even if reading or watching some movie adaptation.
I did recently watch "The Northman" based on the original Dane story Shakespeare borrowed or stole from.
Maybe the most important thing about the settlement is that it is there, does the name truly matter, as Shakespeare once wrote
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

Maybe in the end someone will buy the city, the Koreans might come in or Swiss and buy up the thing, 'Neue-Stadt-Bern' but knowing the multi culture multi lingual nature of Switzerland they might translate it into multiple different languages so people can store their off shore planetary wealth in those banks.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-27 14:56:02

A rose by any other name

Apophis, the ancient Egyptian deity who embodied darkness and disorder, Asteroid named for Egyptian god of chaos and darkness

NASA's OSIRIS-REx spacecraft releases asteroid sample capsule toward Earth in flyby, heads to Apophis
https://www.space.com/osiris-rex-releas … to-apophis

Artemis mission ancient Greek religion and mythology, Artemis is the goddess of the hunt, the wilderness, wild animals, nature, vegetation, childbirth, care of children, and chastity, the first town or village might be named after Neil Armstrong but if some other nation builds the first village on the Moon or Mars then perhaps they would pick a different name. There is an International Astronomy Union that typically names stuff neutral after Mythology etc it could be a case of which ever group gets it to function first. the far side of the Moon named for Russian scientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, lots of Russian names on the far side because first photo of the lunar far side taken by the Soviet (Russian) spacecraft, currently only China and the USA / NASA have put Rovers on Mars. IAU recommendations seem to not offend anyone stay with scientific facts and have a broad consensus agreement that names are ok, Nomenclature of crater or feature names be to make it simple, clear, and unambiguous. There are trends 'Chasma' such as the depression cliffs of the Valles Marineris canyon system Astrum a radius star pattern on Venus, the Rupes term describes escarpment a steep slope or long cliff that forms as a result of faulting or maybe extinct erosions. The Planitia or planitiae generally Low plains, Facula or faculae are often bright spots, Mare or maria are low Albedo Smooth 'Seas' or water like plain, generally of generally a water looking dark albedo area but they might be true Lakes or Seas with flowing liquids such as Mare Erythraeum on Titan. Dorsum, dorsa are wrinkle like features, Mons or montes are generally Mountains but they might be active Volcanoes or active with Cryo-volcanism, Fossa or fossae are these Long, narrow, shallow depressions and Vallis or valles very similar to 'Chasma' or canal type features, Europe and Tian have unique names of Lenticula, lenticulae used only for Europa and Small dark spots on Europa and on Titan there are Virga or virgae streaks or stripe of color a term currently used only on Titan and Fretum, freta describes liquid connecting two larger areas of liquid unique to Titan. Once worlds are coloized they might have their informal name or unofficial nickname become popular.

maybe Kim was watching Matt Wolpert and Ben Nedivi and Ronald D. Moore's tv show For All Makind

Chilling details of Putin and Kim’s talks as North Korean despot grills Vlad on rockets & praises ‘sacred war with West’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23929602/ … ons-talks/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-11-01 04:03:47

For All Mankind a fictional tv series has give the names 'Happy Valley base' a town or settlement by (NASA / Roscosmos) the other is called 'Helios' base. This company Helios Aerospace which seems to be based on the life of maybe media people or builders or speakers or developers like Bill Gates, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Elon Musk they seem to be loosely based on these people. The North Koreans got to Mars first but I'm not sure if they died, I watched a few episodes I don't know if I will watch much more of the series. The tv is is an alternative timeline where the Russians or Soviets win the race to the Moon, North Koreans are first to achieve a Mars landing, I think NASA starts to beat the Soviet Union to exploit the Moon's resources. Eventually US is able to build smaller more effective nuclear-related technologies, in this timeline Nuclear is welcome and there is no major nuclear disaster in Three Mile Island. In the tv series NASA sends something to Neptune and the Soviets are at Venus with a Venera orbiter, Neptune is not shown visually in the series. Sometimes the politics of the show seems strange at times it seems like a bunch of diverse multi cultured feminists will beat Russia because rather than a strongman leader it seems somewhat Hollywood influenced and they have so many diverse political ideas. The Mars Rovers looking almost exactly like Spirit and Opportunity but land in 1992 in this fictional timeline and not 2004. There is no real Canada contribution or Europe or Japan or India or Chinese contributions to space in this timeline all space feats seem to be by North Korea, Russia/USSR and NASA, there is an American Lunar outpost, it is called Jamestown base, Mexico might be part of the USSR in this fictional timeline I'm not sure.

They also have gunfights on the Moon like Astronauts and Cosmonauts having their own Cowboys and Indians moment. A similar idea is 'The Man in the High Castle' a book by Philip K. Dick where German Nazis arrive on the US East Coast and Imperial Japan on the US West Coast, it is an American dystopian alternate history television series, Philip K. Dick might have been inspired by a Chinese Occult Supernatural book the I Ching and 'Bring the Jubilee' by Ward Moore, the producers and writers 'For All Mankind' tv show Ronald D. Moore, Matt Wolpert, and Ben Nedivi seem to be in turn inspired by some of Philip K. Dick's writing.

Ronald D Moore is best known for his work on Star Trek and the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica story. Real life Astronaut Garrett Reisman was a technical advisor for the show and guest appeared as an actor and Commander of a 'Moon Space Shuttle'.

SPOILERS

No winning 'Moon Shot' and a Red-Moon where the past decades play out differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS6E0nXTgoE

I wonder who North Koreans planned to name their Martian Settlements after, maybe another member of the Kim family.

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Calliban · 2023-11-01 05:10:33

This isn't something that any here will get to decide and it almost seems like semantics. In naming new towns in America, a lot of early settlers copied city names from their native lands. Hence, we had New Amsterdam and then New York. Boston, New London, New Orleans, etc.

I vote that Martian cities do not follow this tradition. Mars is a new world and its city names should be new and unique, reflecting the fact that its settlement is a new beginning. Within that limitation, the choice of city names is almost endless.

Of course, my opinion counts for nothing. It will be up to the founding colonists to choose the names of their cities. I will be old or dead and buried before the first city is founded. And I doubt I will be amongst the colonists if I am still alive.

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