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#26 2023-11-22 17:01:37

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Sudan refugees detail second wave of ethnic purge by Arab forces
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp … r-attacks/

Moscow accuses Kyiv of attacks on border regions
https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati … 527148.ece

Myanmar rebels seek to control border with India after early wins
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Myanm … early-wins

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#27 2023-11-23 20:22:51

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at the South Pole so many scientific vessels and countries from many nations perhaps slowly giving up claims in a spirit of cooperation, satellites also see how Antarctica’s ozone hole has been growing

Massive Antarctic ozone hole over past four years: What is to blame?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 … 175239.htm

Estonia accuses Russia of weaponising illegal immigration at Europe’s borders
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ … pe-borders

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#28 2023-11-29 11:15:33

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House committee to discuss potential for cold war over the Arctic north

and the Arctic Council an ntergovernmental group talking about issues faced by the Arctic governments and the indigenous people of the Arctic Circle

news

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre … rcna127020

older news item about
Russian stand off
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023 … ed-claims/

Although no one “owns” the North Pole, countries with land ringing the Central Arctic Ocean already have rights extending some way beyond their coastline

What’s Going on in the Arctic: The Biden Administration’s Plan
https://loneconservative.com/2021/06/12 … ions-plan/

and maybe soon claims of Iranian Ayatollah influence at the North Pole

although I do not doubt truth in Russian reports and would expect Russians to be up to something

Mark Green, he was a candidate for Speaker of the House of Representatives, but withdrew. Green like Mark Johnson believes in stories of Noah and Floods and God and messages in Rainbows from Heaven and rejects the theory of evolution, which is consensus in biology.

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#29 2023-12-04 08:27:09

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Venezuelans approve a referendum to claim sovereignty over a swatch of neighbouring Guyana
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/venezuelan … -1.6671193

Is Russia trying to flood Finland with migrants?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/11/is … -migrants/
Against the background of the war in Ukraine, a diplomatic row is brewing between Russia and Finland


Ex-US ambassador to Bolivia arrested, also served as the US's top diplomat in Argentina

Former US ambassador arrested in Florida, accused of serving as an agent for Cuba

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 635_4.html
,
https://apnews.com/article/fbi-cuba-bol … 49dd74b3ec


news video reports also before the Venezuela referendum vote

Venezuelans vote in controversial referendum on disputed territory with Guyana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMmIwpXzpdw


2 thirds of the land mass


Could Venezuela Invade Guyana?
https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense … de-guyana/
'Maduro is testing Biden, just as Saddam tested Bush and Galtieri tested Margaret Thatcher.'


Venezuelan electoral authorities on Sunday claimed that 95 percent of voters in a nonbinding referendum approved of the nation's territorial claim on a huge chunk of neighbouring oil-rich Guyana.

https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20 … -of-guyana


Venezuela approves referendum claiming sovereignty of region in oil-rich Guyana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHZu73BYNRQ



‘Despotic’ Maduro accused of risking Venezuela-Guyana conflict over oil-rich region

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ … las-maduro


in space

Bold China Mission to Mars Will Obtain Samples Years Before NASA
https://www.sciencealert.com/bold-china … efore-nasa

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#30 2023-12-06 18:55:18

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Space race 2.0: why Europe is joining the new dash to the moon
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 … hina-japan

RCMP working to re-define its place in the Arctic
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/gazette/r … e-arctic?h
On a smaller scale, RCMP officers have for years been patrolling the waters off Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories, situated north of the Arctic Circle on the shores of the Arctic Ocean.


CBC News a division of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

'Why Venezuela wants to annex a huge chunk of Guyana'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1Pzx5XSAc


Guyana 'Vigilant' After Venezuelans Vote On Fate Of Border Region
https://www.latintimes.com/guyana-vigil … ion-549428

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#31 2024-03-04 06:31:37

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Lithuania announces deadline for Russian-registered cars to leave country
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lithuania-an … 09585.html

Why Egypt Refuses to Open Its Borders to Palestinian Refugees
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr … n-refugees

In relaxed encounter, leaders of Venezuela, Guyana exchange gifts
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/relaxed-encou … 38742.html

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#32 2024-03-31 03:07:12

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The Space-X Dream or Ambition for Colonization of Mars

Musk he first presented his goal of enabling Mars colonization as a member of the Mars Society's board of directors.

A common fear from people and media on Earth is that people will bring back some type of bug or flu or creature from Mars an alien super virus and common sentiment among those opposed to Mars colonization is for them to say humans should focus on solving problems on Earth

SpaceX, Elon Musk and many within his company state that this is necessary for the long-term survival of the human species.

Elon Musk: A Million Humans Could Live on Mars By the 2060s
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie … ce-science



Thousands protest Israel’s war on Gaza in Jordanian capital
https://www.egyptindependent.com/thousa … n-capital/

Tim Walberg says 'Nuke Them' maybe he was drinking or smoking strange stuff before logging on his internet social media an American serving as the U.S. representative from Michigan's 5th congressional district

Walberg has also hinted Obama might be a non-American in paranoid theories and maybe muslim-ish links and repeatedly invoked birther conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama

he also thinks the election was hacked or rigged or ballot box stuffed when Biden defeated incumbent Donald Trump, Walberg is an ordained pastor, ordained as a Baptist, Mennonite and German Reformed communities he might believe in all that End Times Eschatology stuff and see elections as the coming of the Messiah.

although there are people more crazy than him and he is not a 'Flat Earther'

Michigan GOP congressman says Gaza should be destroyed with nuclear bomb
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … n-aid.html

Republican congressman suggests dropping nuclear bombs on Gaza and ending humanitarian aid


It should be like Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Get it over quick,’ Tim Walberg says on social media
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united- … tarian-aid
a very long history of conflicts

Ilhan Omar stands out, she looks East Africa, has a strange dress on her head and the crazy pro-islamic statements she comes out with, she states herself as Somali-American maybe even putting the culture of Mogadishu, Somalia, first before the United States of America.

David Pakman is famous social media guy, an American liberal and leftsist commentator, and talk show host and political commentator and media radio host. Now I'm not sure if David Pakman is just an 'American' or does he have other global left agendas going on, he does seem to link a lot to the whole Jewish diaspora across Latin America and Israeli thing, Trump and Conservatives seemed to have been 'Pro-Israel' whatever that means, with United States recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel, move of the US embassy, however Pakman seems to have problems with Trump and Conservatives maybe centrist Libertarian...I'm not sure why maybe he is pro-immigration at the Mexico border or maybe it was the riot I don't know why he does the whole Left vs Right thing so much, in Israel Law there is of course a rule Every Jew has the unrestricted right to immigrate to Israel and become an Israeli citizen, however some of them must pass tests, there would be more loopholes for your application to even be considered., payments of more cash, showing residency for years and demonstrating proficiency in the Hebrew language. In Israel their own worries about births and degeneracy agendas and global infiltration they might now be worried about some people from a radical university or college campus, perhaps a shorter route get into shootouts with Palestinians serve in the IDF with the Nativ program, submit a letter from their converting Rabbi go to office to get conversion certificates stamped. Other aliyah issues?  the Rabbinate perhaps considers you a non-Jew which will effect things like marriage, divorce, burial, etc. So now pay more money or taxes because your tribe or DNA or religion ceremony is not pure enough, answer religion questions or a person might get support or sponsorship through recognized denominations yet there seems to be a caste or class over who is the most pure Jewish and some of the rabbinate won't consider you 'true' jewish, there might be Beit Din Rabbi Court Interview Exam affirming your Jewishness but it seems for some a secret payment of money could get past some of these obstacles, perhaps like Robert Maxwell there could be cases where they allow people to change and shift positions and allow triple or quadruple citizenship, get some seem to avoid all these tests and almost instantly go there depending on what political group or or rabbi backs you?  or maybe he's not into the religion thing and just follows global Marxism EU Socialist Leftism?

I think some has been changing after the WTC attacks in NY in year 2001, the 'noticing' of people's background changed these past years, there was the idea told and sold America on magazine and on tv as a land of opportunity and immigration but I think its changed or still is changing. The noticing drugs and smugglers of people and abusers coming across a border, the noticing of demoraphic and cultural changes and how the old Wasp culture might fade get replaced by East European, Catholic Latin America, Asia the Middle East Africa, the old rulers vanish go into extinction like Native American cultures, noticing of 'Epstein' and that island and Royal links for example or how some on the Conservative NeoCon and Trumpist Right were so happy Trump was pro-Israeli only to have Benjamin Netanyahu congratulate Biden so quickly. I think the idea on movement of people and who you are definitely changed after the 911 attacks terrorists living within America took control of 4 passenger airplanes to destroy 2 famous buildings, the Twin Towers and part of the Pentagon, another crashing in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, the Bush junior Cheney administration added to the whole cover up conspiracy when they demanded 28 related pages of reports on Saudis and their links stayed classified.

Pakman says viral video of IDF striking 4 unarmed civilians in the Gaza Strip is a hoax.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=CR1tUmstBJua1ACA
a shill, an agenda, spox, social media clown? born in Buenos Aires, Argentina he is a naturalized citizen of the United States, not sure where his loyalty is in all this or if he is a dual citizen Israeli David Pakman was born to an Ashkenazi Jewish family so maybe B'nai B'rith
David's argument that, the IDF is always correct and just? so would be above targeting civilians

However the general feeling was that actions of Hamas were far more blood thirsty, cruel and terrorizing, and they wanted to kill as many civilians as possible

but these world media attitudes might be changing as continued images and video come out of the destruction, blood and devastation across Gaza

Israel alone? Allies’ fears grow over conduct – and legality – of war in Gaza
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ … ar-in-gaza

Immigrant Palestinians started a 1970–1971 conflict in Jordan, Black September also known as the Jordanian Civil War an armed conflict between Jordan, led by King Hussein, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) the Black September Organization carried out the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes, the United States designated it as a terrorist group in 1987 Under President Arafat, the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority adopted the 2003 Amended Basic Law, which stipulates Islamism as the sole official religion in Palestine and the principles of Islamic sharia as a principal source of legislation, kicked out of Jordan the Palestinian refugees or terrorists went to Lebanon and engaged in the Lebanese Civil War.

Casualties and losses
https://military-history.fandom.com/wik … _September
PLO: 3,400 dead
Syria: 600 Syrian casualties (dead and injured)
120 tanks and APCs lost

and

Jordan: 537 dead





Moscow concert massacre and the Tajik connection
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68682836.amp

Moscow attack: Tajikistan, the Central Asian country most vulnerable to IS infiltration
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 340_4.html
Four people of Tajik background were among the alleged perpetrators of Moscow's concert hall attack.

Trump to focus remarks on U.S.-Mexico border during Michigan visit next week
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/do … co-border/

Sheriff slams Biden for abandoning Texas on border: ‘No longer US-Mexico border, but US world-border'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/sheriff-s … rld-border

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#33 2024-04-07 11:22:05

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Top EU commissioner is blasted after saying 'Gibraltar is Spanish' with a former head of Britain's Royal Navy accusing him of 'grandstanding' - as fury builds over the European official's 'incomprehensible' statement

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … opean.html

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#34 2024-04-12 08:22:35

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Given the geography of Mars as a global continent, with no oceans and only a thin atmosphere, I think there is a strong case for Mars colonisation to represent the new era of the city-state.  People will depend upon the city completely for food, air and power, in a way that has no equivelent on Earth.  But there will be relatively poor opportunities for transportation between cities.  There are no seas or oceans to support shipping.  The atmosphere is too thin for aerodynamic flight to be cost effective.  Railways are exhorbitantly expensive infrastructure projects.  For a long time to come, we are essentially limited to transport along dirt tracks at speed not much greater than human walking speed.  This sounds like a recipe for provincialism.  People drawn into insular city-states, which they depend upon for the means of supporting life itself.  I suspect that life on Mars will be riven by conflict between fiercely independant microstates.  Appropriate for a planet named after the god of war.

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#35 2024-04-20 08:55:31

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S.Korea and Japan fighting over a rock or two rocks, there is no true definition of an 'islet' but it is often a very small, isolated and sometimes unnamed island but some definitions suggest an islet would not support many people, that an islet has little or no vegetation and cannot support human habitation

There seems to be almost nothing on the rock, Liancourt Rocks maybe a more neutral way to describe the dispute, however also called the Takeshima dispute by Japan Nationalists or Dokdo Tokdo? by South Korean Nationalists depending on who you ask.

Maybe there is lots of Oil to be discovered?

also rich fishing ground

'S. Korea 'strongly' protests Tokyo's renewed claims to Dokdo, calls in Japanese diplomat'
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN2024041600 … /diplomacy


a couple is reported to have been living on the island but the old Korean man died now a South Korean widow is the only person living on a disputed island

two rocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3EBKoQ7DA

'CNN Seoul Correspondent, was flown Dokdo by Korean Government.'

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