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Sounds like we have some half truths to what is going on in Ukraine....
Why U.S. Vets Want to Fight for Ukraine Against Russia: 'It's the Kids, Man. I Just Can't Stand By
His efforts include making sure those who want to sign up to fight have the skills that are needed and aren't what he called "combat tourists, who don't have the correct experience and would not be an asset."
Companies that are still doing business in Russia least 320 companies by one count — are among the businesses curtailing operations or making high-profile exits from Russia as its invasion of Ukraine intensifies. McDonald’s, Starbucks, and Coca-Cola announced a pause in sales this week.
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-30 … ome-remain
Fact check roundup: What's true and what's false about the Russian invasion of Ukraine
seems Putin is annoyed by the US support Russia warns US that convoys 'pumping Ukraine with weapons' will be considered 'legitimate targets'
U.S. to Send Arms to Ukraine, as Russia Intensifies Campaign of Destruction
Go ahead hit a US transport and see what happens.....
Ukrainian soldier thanks Britain as missiles wreck Russian tanks
British government says it has delivered 3,615 NLAW anti-tank weapons
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Since President Biden stated that he would treat Saudi Arabia as a "pariah state" during his election campaign, the governments of Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates will no longer work with the American government to reduce our domestic energy prices. That was a predictable turn of events. Our village idiot struck another blow to American workers by making us more dependent upon foreign oil sources from countries that are increasingly less willing to give us the time of day.
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I think this could be a long and bloody conflict where Russia never really has full control of the territory it wants. The USA has realtions with foreign states and relation to foreign nations of people who are friendly and I guess people who are not-so-friendly or perhaps enemies. Reports of Iran blasting Long-Range Ballistic missiles near a US Consulate or US military base adds a whole new element to world politics. Germany not supporting Nuclear seems very dumb now, there are a political elite class there who seem to be extreme political Luddite and want German's to be powered by fanciful Windmills or something?
Millions of Refugees continue moving to Poland and other border countries.
Reading some of the old discussions on Newmars has been interesting, some had hope for the future, questioned 3D printing, some said Fusion could never be a thing, others said our world can be a Utopia while others said it would be a Dystopia ruled by a Cold Machine and Madmen Dictators. Some soon after 911 older users long gone and users still around posting once talked and wondered if bin Laden was truly in Afghanistan in the newmars forums or 'Kurdistan? - Do it right!' We had topics like
'EU - Iranian nuclear deal - Good? Bad? Indifferent?'
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1181
tensions were high after the 911 attacks there were topics like 'A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? Sometimes you come across more depressing reads 'Not So Free Chat - What if we lose? - Vietnam II?' http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1234 but evebn a Dark Story and Overwellian anti-freedom kakotopia debate can have insight and hopeful information in its own way.
It has been hard to avoid news or propaganda or mob think, even Dr. Zubrin gets sucked into the political shows, Calls On Congress To Begin Trump Impeachment Proceedings! but the show can get much more crazy with the Spooky Clown media gun running guys http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=942 or broadcast hysteria 'Ex-CIA director: Trump performance 'nothing short of treasonous' thread' this is the Ex-Director guy who kisses the jihadi islamics, or maybe he had some personaly grudge, start trouble because they said bad things about someone in some email the perverted spying clown spooks were reading?It soon might be to late to fly those Migs in
Reports say the Ruskies have moved across Western Ukraine air attacks are happening at an Airbase just over 30 + Kilometers or less than 20 Miles from the Polish BorderHere are some of the news feeds I see
Ukraine: NYT journalist killed in Irpin city, according to Ukrainian police
https://en.protothema.gr/ukraine-nyt-jo … an-police/Social media vid -
'Two American journalist shot by Russian at Irpin bridge. One is under surgery at the main hospital in Kyiv and the other was shot at the neck.'
https://twitter.com/annalisacamilli/sta … 6500573185Russian attack strikes a Ukrainian military site miles from Polish border, killing 35
https://www.wbur.org/npr/1086327654/rus … itary-base
The Russians strike western Ukraine as Zelensky warns of desolation
https://www.bworldonline.com/russia-str … esolation/U.S. dismisses Russian claims of biowarfare labs in Ukraine
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/u-dismisses-r … 52107.htmlRussia Accuses Ukraine Of Covering Up Traces Of US-supported Biowarfare Capabilities At UN
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new … eshow.htmlUkrainian president warns about Syrian mercenaries
More social media rumors of an alien muslim jihadist culture brought to Ukraine as guns for hire
MSN News - 'Russia to bring Libyan, Azeri mercenaries to Ukraine - Ukrainian sources'
https://www.msn.com/Tulsi Gabbard says in a social media video - 'There are 25+ US-funded biolabs in Ukraine'
https://rumble.com/vx9h00-there-are-25- … raine.html
She says a ceasefire is needed and the Labs need to be shut down and Pathogens Destroyed.Russian biologist turns on Putin's propaganda machine insisting claims of Ukrainian biowarfare labs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -labs.html
Moscow microbiologist Dr Yevgeny Levitin has accused the Kremlin of 'pure lies' and 'propaganda',SpaceNut wrote:Plane for sale 1 dollar to Ukrainian only....come pick it up in person...
Do you know that way back to the year 77AD the Greek were writing stories of civilisation and war and heroism and wrote a story about a mouse that climbed into an elephant’s nose and then drove it crazy and did you also know Jared Isaacman the businessman, space tourist Space-X guy owns a Mig-29?
One Mig I believe was also bought by the US, maybe purchased group linked military or Airforce who went into one of those 'Stans countries after the break up of the Soviet Union. Other ex-Soveit era Migs, Sukhoi and Tanks have been sold to collectors and have moved around Eastern Europe and been sold privately across the world. The Mig is interesting, although the Western technology is head and the United States Airforce is far mroe advanced the Mig almost compares to the F-15 Eagle and the F-16 Falcon, Russia has updated its military since the 80s so the Mig-29 is slowly getting replaced by more modern designs. It might not have made much difference, the Ukraine Navy and Ukraine Airforce is totally out matched by the Russian but perhaps could be an accumulation of fighting harassment and added to resistance, the bigger Elephant sized invading machine might seem to be winning but you can at least stab at its toes, a pin prick, even sometimes a mouse can scare an elephant.
The Biden Admin made the decision not to give the Migs, news reports say that Joe Biden personally vetoed Polish MiG plan for Ukraine.
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Can we trust the WHO...
WHO verifies 31 attacks on health care in Ukraine
At least 31 Russian attacks have been against Ukraine health care facilities, medical staff and ambulances, according to a joint statement Sunday from the World Health Organization, the United Nations and UNICEF.
“Today, we call for an immediate cessation of all attacks on health care in Ukraine. These horrific attacks are killing and causing serious injuries to patients and health workers, destroying vital health infrastructure and forcing thousands to forgo accessing health services despite catastrophic needs," the statement reads.
Seems it open season on anyone inside the borders of Ukraine so why not return the favor....
War in Ukraine: Russia launches deadly airstrikes on military base near Ukraine’s Polish border
This will draw us in along with others if it hits with in the borders
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Biden quote: "Speak loudly and carry a little stick."
Since President Biden stated that he would treat Saudi Arabia as a "pariah state" during his election campaign, the governments of Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates will no longer work with the American government to reduce our domestic energy prices. That was a predictable turn of events. Our village idiot struck another blow to American workers by making us more dependent upon foreign oil sources from countries that are increasingly less willing to give us the time of day.
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I was just trying to correct the idea people have that Saudi Arabia is one vast desert that doesn't produce food in significant quantities.
It produces on my rough calculation enough food to sustain maybe 5 million people. With polytunnels, water recycling, and soil manufacture it could clearly support many more millions. Saudi's energy reserves aren't just in oil and gas. It's insolation rate is one of the best in the world. It could power huge parts of the world from solar alone. They certainly have plenty of energy surplus to devote to food production. I think one of their main impediments is that Saudi is very reliant on imported labour and doesn't want to import even more expertise from abroad.
I understand why Saudi's elite chooses oil over grain - it makes them even more obscenely rich. But, looked at longer term, is that the best policy for the Saudi people? I doubt it. I think a policy where they make full use of modern technology to develop food production would help them in creating a better balanced society. For one thing, it would create sustainable employment for its citizens. Prosperous farming communities would in turn create their own urban areas which would generate yet more employment opportunities.
louis wrote:Saudi Arabia produces a lot more food than you might imagine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultu … Production
I suspect they could feed themselves if they applied a significant portion of their energy production to the task. But it might take 5 to 10 years to get everything in place.
The evidence from the oil price shock of the 70s is that the world does adapt. Cars became, for instance, way more energy efficient. People started insulating their homes.
As I have said previously we are some years away from having a complete green energy solution available. I think the best approach I have seen is Denmark's plans for green energy islands that will, amongst other things, produce green hydrogen that can be used as energy storage so overcoming the issue of intermittency.
The emergency solution is probably fracking. We can gear up for that pretty quickly (certainly in the UK) and we already have a nationwide methane delivery system. Certainly for the UK that should be the favoured emergency response in my view.
If there is one glimmer of light in this whole horrendous business it is that people and governments may finally come to understand the importance of energy independence.
Louis, countries should (and many will) prioritise energy independence from this point forward, at least to the extent that it is possible. And local shale deposits may be useful, within limitations. They are not a realistic replacement for the dwindling output of the North Sea in Britain or Europe. But locally in Europe, they could cushion decline rate in domestic production.
But the rest of what you have written is poorly informed, to put it politely. You really think the world will be in a better position if the Saudis divert greater proportions of their energy production to desert based agriculture? That inevitably means lower oil and gas exports at a time when the world has supply deficits. There is a reason why the Saudis buy grain from other places. It is more efficient for them to exchange grain for oil. Food shortages may change that balance for them, but at the expense of less diesel being available in the Indian farmers' fuel tanks. It does nothing to solve the problem of food insecurity for the world as a whole.
Your talk about green energy solutions, suggests to me that you don't understand the thermodynamic basis of the economy. The economy is a collection of processes and people, that rework matter to produce goods and services. It takes a non reducible amount of energy to melt and cast steel, to cook your food and to transport anything by truck. It is why GDP vs Energy use, was a straight line until politicised economists started screwing with how inflation was measured in the mid 90s. There is no way of adapting to lower energy availability other than making and consuming less stuff. That stuff includes food. So lower energy availability means getting poorer. We adapted in the 1970s by developing North Sea, Alaskan and GOM oil, amongst others. This allowed a return to growth (albeit weaker) in the 80s and 90s. But that isn't possible this time. There are no new North Seas left to develop. The only real growth area left is the Arctic, which will be far difficult and expensive.
Wind power is an intermittent source of electricity and mechanical power. It has been possible for it to compete on a kWh basis with other energy sources in recent years, only because steel and concrete have been cheap since around 2011, thanks to low cost natural gas (until recently), very low cost Chinese coal; and low interest rate money at both the manufacturer and customer end. The amount of steel and concrete needed per MWh of wind based electricity is orders of magnitude higher than competing fossil or nuclear energy sources. The competitiveness of wind was only sustainable so long as materials and money were cheap. And wind turbines produce electricity, not diesel. Electricity will not power agriculture; it will not produce fertiliser, it will not produce steel and concrete at a price competitive with legacy coal and natural gas. It does not, nor can it easily, power goods distribution worldwide. That goods distribution is almost exclusively diesel powered, including the gigatons of steel needed to build those wind turbines and solar panels on a relevant scale.
As fossil fuel energy diminishes, it will be more difficult to build wind and solar powered electricity generation, not easier. And we are facing that problem now, with the Ukraine crisis disrupting global oil and gas supplies on top of an already peaked global oil production. There is no way of providing increased energy supply by substituting Low EROI energy for High EROI energy, especially when High EROI energy is depleting and needed to manufacture the infrastructure needed for your Low EROI system. We have been through this enough times that I thought you might have understood it by now. Idealistic delusions about low power density renewables are the first thing that needs to die if western Europe is to achieve energy independence. In the absence of cheap fossil fuels, there really is no alternative to nuclear power for the production of energy on a scale sufficient for industrial civilisation. Low power density renewables only look sustainable when there is abundant cheap fossil fuel energy needed to produce, install and back them up.
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Seems its open season on any one not in a uniform Ukrainian family shot at checkpoint while trying to flee
more of the false narrative
order to shoot everything that is moving, and you cannot imagine how many cars like this we have full of Nazis who are trying to bomb us
Your brains are full of Putin propaganda crap. There are no Nazis here.
you know things are bad when Russia seeks military equipment from China after Ukraine invasion -reports
strong words but finally Pentagon says 'an armed attack against one is considered an armed attack against all' if Russian forces strike in Poland
We've made it very clear to Russia that NATO territory will be defended not just by the United States, but by our allies."
so when will it be enough as
Brent Anthony Renaud was an American journalist, documentary filmmaker, and photojournalist. Renaud worked with his brother Craig to produce films for outlets such as HBO and Vice News, and was a former contributor to The New York Times. He was killed on March 13, 2022, by Russian soldiers while covering the Russian invasion of Ukraine in a suburb near Kyiv.
journalists are protected as they are not armed and are there to report what is happening.
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SpaceNut,
When you're in an active war zone, nobody is "protected" from anything. If you intentionally travel to an active war zone, then you should accept the possibility of dying there. That's why it's generally best to leave if you're not armed and willing to fight. However, journalists go places most rational people never would. They provide a valuable service, but there's a price to be paid for their service.
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Seems its open season on any one not in a uniform Ukrainian family shot at checkpoint while trying to flee
more of the false narrative
order to shoot everything that is moving, and you cannot imagine how many cars like this we have full of Nazis who are trying to bomb us
Your brains are full of Putin propaganda crap. There are no Nazis here.
you know things are bad when Russia seeks military equipment from China after Ukraine invasion -reports
strong words but finally Pentagon says 'an armed attack against one is considered an armed attack against all' if Russian forces strike in Poland
We've made it very clear to Russia that NATO territory will be defended not just by the United States, but by our allies."
so when will it be enough as
Brent Anthony Renaud was an American journalist, documentary filmmaker, and photojournalist. Renaud worked with his brother Craig to produce films for outlets such as HBO and Vice News, and was a former contributor to The New York Times. He was killed on March 13, 2022, by Russian soldiers while covering the Russian invasion of Ukraine in a suburb near Kyiv.
journalists are protected as they are not armed and are there to report what is happening.
There are genuine Neo-Nazis in Ukraine that seem to hate all Russians. Their actions against Russians living in Eastern Ukraine was one of the trigger points for this war.
None the less, Russian soldiers appear to be clueless morons. They are young uneducated kids, who appear to be acting with very little intelligent oversight. The strategy of the Russian army appears chaotic. They attempted to land troops without having established air superiority. They failed to establish supply lines, leaving their troops without fuel or food. They have not respected cease fires, most likely because their men on the ground were not told. They choose their targets randomly. One branch of their military does not appear to know what the other is doing.
The Ukraine conflict, far from intimidating the world, has laid bare the critical weaknesses of Russian military organisation. I suspect that in an open conflict, the British army would decimate these people in a matter of days. The same with the French and Germans. The Russians don't seem to be on par militarily, even with these smaller European powers. Far less the United States. They are fortunate that they have a nuclear umbrella to hide under.
The Russians biggest bargaining chip now lies in their enormous contribution to global commodity exports. When you produce 10% of the world's oil, 20% of its wheat and half of the world's fertiliser, the world cannot afford to alienate you for too long. This is the real power behind Russia and Putin is well aware of it. There is nowhere else for the middle east to turn for its food imports. And the US cannot afford to let the Middle East go hungry.
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There are genuine Neo-Nazis in Ukraine that seem to hate all Russians.
Excuse me, *WHAT*!!! Has your account been hacked by a Russian agent? How could you say such a thing? Putin and his thugs are Nazi. They use propaganda, and send thugs to beat the living shit out of anyone who says anything against them. Nazis did that, Putin and his thugs are doing it now. The only Nazis are Putin and his thugs.
Their actions against Russians living in Eastern Ukraine was one of the trigger points for this war.
Russia invaded Crimea, annexed it. Then Russia supported rebels in East Ukraine. Russia has effectively annexed Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014. That's war. When Ukrainian authorities tried to regain control, the rebels killed them. The rebels executed anyone who wouldn't submit to their thug tactics. The rebels are organized crime, murdering anyone who dares oppose them. Russia and their proxies need to be kicked out of East Ukraine. You can't just take territory of another country, neither declare it yours nor declare it a new country. What Russia has done in East Ukraine is war.
Hitler committed several atrocities before starting WW2. European leaders tried to appease him to avoid war. But the more they let him get away with, the more Hitler pushed it. The final straw was invasion of Poland in 1939, that started WW2. Putin has committed several atrocities: invaded Georgia in 2008, Crimea in 2014, and East Ukraine later in 2014. There has been a war in East Ukraine ever since 2014, it never stopped. Putin has tried to take ever more territory from Ukraine, while Ukrainian military had to fight back. You could include Chechnya 1994-1996. But invasion of Ukraine now is Hitler invading Poland in 1939.
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Robert, I do not advocate for Putin's invasion. But there are certain facts that should be acknowledged. Pretending that Ukraine is an innocent party is Neocon propaganda. I suggest you read the article below.
https://therealnews.com/opinion-there-i … dont-exist
This is hardly Russian propaganda. Ukraine is the training ground for many of Europe's violent Neo-Nazis. And these people harassed and bullied people in Dombass until they could take no more. The Neocons used these people to eject Ukraine's democratically elected leadership in a violent coup. This angered the Russians living to the east of the country.
Although I bend to the right myself, I cannot feel much solidarity with these violent thugs. Nor can I consider a man that lay waste to much of Eastern Europe, hated Slavs and murdered millions of Russians, to be any kind of idol for the Right. But that is exactly who these people are. The Nazis are remembered in Eastern Europe as being an anti-Slavic, anti-Russian movement, because they are the ones that they slaughtered in the greatest numbers. They left literally no man, woman or child standing in their advance to Moscow. They slew everything in their path. And the Ukrainians patronise their modern incarnation. Ukraine is the training ground for Europe's Neo-Nazis. These people are a dangerous liability and I hope they get wiped out in this war.
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The nazis were merely communists with a racial component added to their already-toxic and self-destructive communist ideology. That is the only notable difference between nazism and communism. There are no other significant differences. Both sent hordes of mass-murdering thugs to brutalize anyone they saw as a threat to their power. The nazis mass-murdered Slavs, sames as they did to the Jews, because they saw people of all other races as being inferior to the Germanic people. That made them racist, not specifically anti-Slavic.
Are Ukrainians who self-identify as nazis anti-Slavic? They are Slavic. They clearly don't hate themselves if they think they're superior to the Russians, they simply hate the Russians. The cult of nazism appeals to angry young men, sames as the cult of communism appeals to angry young men. Both are death cults that always lead to mass murder and starvation- the inevitable result of organized violence carried out by a bunch of angry young men with no real concept of how the world works. It took me years to understand the appeal of these groups, but good parenting renders both death cult ideologies impotent, which is why the nuclear family was such a threat to nazism and communism. If you have a strong-willed mother and father who are both educated and moral, then they have enough life experience to know where those ideologies always end.
Right vs left is rather meaningless. It's a made-up concept used for the express purpose of dividing people and then pitting them against each other instead of against the government. The only real question to ask yourself, is where you stand on the spectrum between anarchism and authoritarianism. I believe that personal freedom and liberty that falls short of anarchy, is the best place to be. I never want to live in a authoritarian dictatorship, even if I happen to agree with some part of what that dictatorship does or stands for.
The definition of "mind poison" should include nazism and communism and any other "ism" that doesn't tell you to think for yourself and not simply "follow the crowd". It should also include aftermath photos of their atrocities and death count tallies so that soft-headed young men are not persuaded to follow them. Anyone purporting to follow these ideologies should be treated as a subversive, and heavily monitored by governments to prevent them from inflicting their evil on the rest of civilized society.
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I am sadden to even acknowledge that the US even has neo-Nazism and White Supremacy, across the country has exposed the public to symbols, terms, and ideology drawn directly from Nazi Germany.
Some of those who attacked the US Capitol on January 6 were displaying neo-Nazi, antisemitic, and white supremacist symbols, several of which glorified the Holocaust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party
Reich without borders: Why US neo-Nazis are eyeing Russia
Intelligence agencies have acknowledged that Russian groups have tried to recruit and provide paramilitary training to North American associates in order to "expand their presence in the West, increase membership and raise money." According to these assessments, this pumping of resources into Western supporters of white supremacy "poses a potential threat to Western security by encouraging and making possible attacks on ethnic minorities and government facilities."
We should be very guarded against this expansion.
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I guess we learn about you all. How will your kids respond to how you reply? Calliban and Terraformer are clearly of a view. What is yours?
But hey, an alt-right white heil history for mars, why not. Keep at it.
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Some of those who attacked the US Capitol on January 6 were displaying neo-Nazi, antisemitic, and white supremacist symbols, several of which glorified the Holocaust.
We should send them to go help Ukraine, they're a perfect fit.
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I am sadden to even acknowledge that the US even has communism and Black Supremacy, across the country has exposed the public to symbols, terms, and ideology drawn directly from communist Russia and China.
Some of those who attacked nearly every major city across America were displaying neo-communist (same as the oldo-communists), antiwhite, and black supremacist symbols, several of which glorified the communists who mass murdered more people than the Holocaust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy
Exclusive: $1 billion-plus riot damage is most expensive in insurance history
The vandalism and looting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police will cost the insurance industry more than any other violent demonstrations in recent history, Axios has learned.
Why it matters: The protests that took place in 140 U.S. cities this spring were mostly peaceful, but the arson, vandalism and looting that did occur will result in at least $1 billion to $2 billion of paid insurance claims — eclipsing the record set in Los Angeles in 1992 after the acquittal of the police officers who brutalized Rodney King.
How it works: A company called Property Claim Services (PCS) has tracked insurance claims related to civil disorder since 1950. It classifies anything over $25 million in insured losses as a "catastrophe," and reports that the unrest this year (from May 26 to June 8) will cost the insurance industry far more than any prior one.
That number could be as much as $2 billion and possibly more, according to the Insurance Information Institute (or Triple-I), which compiles information from PCS as well as other firms that report such statistics.
The protests related to George Floyd's death are also different because they are so widespread. "It's not just happening in one city or state - it's all over the country," Loretta L. Worters of the Triple-I tells Axios. "And this is still happening, so the losses could be significantly more."
We should be very guarded against this expansion.
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Clark,
My kids are learning that certain white people hate black people and that certain black people hate white people. It would be great if we could move past absurdly petty physical differences like skin color, but some of you won't let go of it and move on. We are all deeply flawed, merely in different ways, and anyone who thinks that their flaws are "better flaws" than someone else's flaws, apparently doesn't understand the entire concept of a "flaw".
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Good to see Elon doing his bit...
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I am sadden to even acknowledge that the US even has communism and Black Supremacy, across the country has exposed the public to symbols, terms, and ideology drawn directly from communist Russia and China.
Some of those who attacked nearly every major city across America were displaying neo-communist (same as the oldo-communists), antiwhite, and black supremacist symbols, several of which glorified the communists who mass murdered more people than the Holocaust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy
Exclusive: $1 billion-plus riot damage is most expensive in insurance history
The vandalism and looting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police will cost the insurance industry more than any other violent demonstrations in recent history, Axios has learned.
Why it matters: The protests that took place in 140 U.S. cities this spring were mostly peaceful, but the arson, vandalism and looting that did occur will result in at least $1 billion to $2 billion of paid insurance claims — eclipsing the record set in Los Angeles in 1992 after the acquittal of the police officers who brutalized Rodney King.
How it works: A company called Property Claim Services (PCS) has tracked insurance claims related to civil disorder since 1950. It classifies anything over $25 million in insured losses as a "catastrophe," and reports that the unrest this year (from May 26 to June 8) will cost the insurance industry far more than any prior one.
That number could be as much as $2 billion and possibly more, according to the Insurance Information Institute (or Triple-I), which compiles information from PCS as well as other firms that report such statistics.
The protests related to George Floyd's death are also different because they are so widespread. "It's not just happening in one city or state - it's all over the country," Loretta L. Worters of the Triple-I tells Axios. "And this is still happening, so the losses could be significantly more."
We should be very guarded against this expansion.
Kbd512, this sort of ethnic conflict is inevitable in racially divided societies. It just isn't realistic to expect racially divided people to get along with each other. If you expect people to put aside such differences and work together as a harmonious human whole, then you will be disappointed time and time again. It isn't a question of political belief or morality, there are some things that are simply facts of life, forced upon us by biology and evolution. It is also pointless blaming one side or the other for the existence of discord. It is pointless blaming red squirrels for not mixing with grey squirrels. It is irrelevant that you think that they should. It just isn't in their nature.
The idea of a multiracial society is not a new one. It can be traced back at least as far as ancient Babylonia. As Babylon's influence grew, it came to include many population groups from across the Levant, Arabia, Mesopotamia and central Asia. If one were to believe Neocon BS, this should have made Babylon stronger, thanks to its 'diversity'. In reality, it was a seething hot bed of racial hatred. When the Persians invaded in 539BC, none of those bickering subgroups had any interest in fighting for the Nebuchadnezzar. An invasion that might have been resisted in previous centuries, proved fatal for Babylonia as it numerous squabbling racial subgroups refused to work together in the face of threat. America today is following the example of Babylon. Allowing itself to be colonised by non-Europeans who do not share its European Enlightenment values or heritage. You waste your breath calling for racial harmony between racially different groups of people. It just isn't in their nature.
No doubt some idiot will chime in calling me a racist. But the fact remains that all successful civilisations have basically been mono-racial. We ignore that at our peril. There is no nobility or morality in believing in an unworkable idea.
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Seems that we are not learning from history are we...
Seems that the broken down tanks are being converted and salvaged by auto repair shops to aid in the fight against Russia.
It would also seem that China has decided to send Russia weapons for use...
Thar crimes has continued and a few more reporters have been killed.
Its already day 20 of the invasion.
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Calliban,
You seem to miss my point. There's plenty of murder and mayhem to go around. It doesn't have anything to do with race, nor living in a society with more than one racial group. It has everything to do with human nature- which is to be fearful, intolerant, and narrow minded about any silly little thing that doesn't precisely conform to the way they understand the world around them. People who admire totalitarianism will find any convenient excuse for violence. If it's not skin color, then it's religion. If it's not religion, then it's some other ideology or politics. Sometimes (read, "all the time") there's no particular reason at all, and we call that "anger".
The idea of a multi-racial society is entirely workable, and America proves that every day, despite all past flaws and failings and racial discrimination and slavery and every other imaginable bad thing that happened so long ago that there's scarcely anyone alive today who was alive to be offended or to give offense. My own family is multi-racial, and for some inexplicable reason every argument doesn't boil down to race or religion or ideology. Sometimes it's just two hard-headed people who are unwilling to compromise on anything. The idea of a society where half the population want personal liberty and the other half want a totalitarian dictatorship that they agree with... Now that is completely unworkable.
SpaceNut tried to associate 150 people walking into the Capitol building after the Police opened the doors for them as nazism or racism or white supremacy. Their decision to enter the Capitol had zip / zero / zilch / nada to do with racism. It had everything to do with wondering how in the world a dementia patient who can't string enough words together to form an English sentence, managed to get "elected" President of the United States after no particular effort campaigning, no particular message (except "I'm not Trump"), and no plan for how he'd make it off the stage after speaking (why his wife has to hold his hand so he knows where to go when leaving), much less run our country. Basically, they were wondering whether or not the elections were screwed with because the Democrats always blame everyone else for what they're actually doing, and why nobody in government was putting a stop to it.
Now that the ultimate village idiot is in charge, and all the adults in the room left the room the moment President Trump left the room, we're all suffering the consequences of mass-idiocy in action, masquerading as whatever it has to pretend to be, in order to seize power, impoverish the people to make them dependent on government, and generally leave the people destitute and with no hope of a better future. I always considered President Trump a secondary choice to any other choice, but was pleasantly surprised when a life-long Democrat managed to return America to the basic economic principles which made this country prosperous. Between a textbook sociopath like Hillary Clinton and a textbook narcissist like Donald Trump, the choice was absurdly easy to make. I voted for the guy who didn't want to start a war with the Russians or Iranians or Chinese or North Koreans and wouldn't blunder his way into one the way President Biden will.
Anyway... This infantile pissing contest over which skin color is a better skin color needs to end. Stop allowing the evil clowns of this world to divide y'all every which way. They're poisoning your minds against each other, because they're evil. They keep getting richer and you keep getting poorer, because they know they can always prey upon your fears over superficial physical differences that don't amount to a hill of beans. Who knows, one day I might wake up and all of you will figure out that evil people with evil ideas are the root cause of evil, and you will refuse to play any of their evil games because you know that they're evil. I'll probably wake up dead before that ever happens, but I cling to my hope anyway because it's all I have.
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Kbd, my mixed race kids are learning that people like Calliban exist. WTF is wrong with all of you that quietly accepts this level of racism. You patiently listen to a cool history lesson on Mesopotamia and sumaria as some kind of awkward bullsh*t rationalize of modern day behavioral racism?
Calliban is quite literally a moron that you all allow to continue to vomit. Why? But hey, he has a hypothesis, mono-cultural races are supreme. Says the sad sack failing history when it covered Roman history, Chinese history or Mongol history. The most successful empires figured out multi-culturalism. Only a fu*king English wanker would miss that truth.
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And yes, i am the idiot, chiming in, Calliban is an idiot. All of you, have some self respect. Your patience, your rationalization, your tolerance, are just an example of moral cowardice. Tack a stand. Or be the fuck*ng cowards that the path of least resistance presents.
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Clarke, you appear incapable of discussing anything. You just spew vitriol and constantly lower the tone. I will not be engaging with you from this point forward unless you have something intelligent to say.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
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