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#1 2026-09-02 08:26:20
- Void
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Transportation Issues
Building on the theories about water transportation offered by Peter Zeihan, and the attitudes of Europeans and East Asians about train transport, I am specifically having a look at the Tesla Semi and how it might change reality.
As always, I will be cooperative with the moderators on this.
Peter Zeihan particularly points out the water transport system of the USA as a major value the Continent has.
Query: "Relative Efficiency of Tesla Electric Semi?"
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Relative Efficiency of the Tesla Electric Semi
The Tesla Semi’s real-world energy efficiency is significantly better than that of conventional diesel Class 8 trucks, with multiple pilot programs showing 1.55–1.72 kWh per mile — far below the ~5.5 kWh/mile equivalent of a diesel truck
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.Real-World Efficiency Data
ArcBest / ABF Freight: 1.55 kWh/mile over 4,494 miles, including a 7,200-ft Donner Pass climb
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.Mone Transport: 1.64 kWh/mile over 4,700 miles in Texas
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.PepsiCo: ~1.70 kWh/mile in ongoing operations
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.DHL / Saia: 1.72 kWh/mile and 1.73 kWh/mile, respectively
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.These figures are already ~70% lower than the energy cost of a diesel semi, which averages 6–7 mpg (5.5 kWh/mile equivalent)
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.Cost Comparison
At an average U.S. electricity rate of $0.0912/kWh, the Tesla Semi’s 1.64 kWh/mile translates to **$0.15/mile** in energy costs
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A diesel semi at ~6.5 mpg and $3.11/gal diesel costs about $0.48/mile, meaning the Semi cuts energy costs by nearly 70%
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.Performance & Emissions
0–60 mph (unloaded): 5 seconds; with 80,000 lbs load: ~20 seconds
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.Top speed: 70 mph.
Drag coefficient: 0.40 Cd (vs. ~0.65–0.70 Cd for diesel)
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.Zero tailpipe emissions vs. high CO₂, NOx, and particulate emissions from diesel
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.Fleet Uptime & Service
Pilot fleets report 95% uptime and 80% service turnaround within 24 hours, improving on earlier diesel service turnaround times
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.Conclusion
The Tesla Semi’s relative efficiency is not just better than diesel — it’s substantially cheaper to operate and produces zero tailpipe emissions, making it a compelling alternative for heavy-duty freight in the long term. While efficiency can vary with load, route, and climate, the current best real-world results (1.55–1.64 kWh/mile) already outperform diesel by a wide margin in both energy use and cost.
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The technology is in its infancy, with more capabilities likely to emerge.
So, what I am thinking is that this technology will cause Continental Shrinkage.
It will nit the East and West Coasts closer to each other, and similarly the North and South Borders closer to each other.
And to tweak someones tail, it makes it more sensible than ever for Canada to look to the Continent, instead of trying to revive the old Red/Green French/Indian war pattern, using China-Red, Club Med-Green.
It also has the features where the places which often have better solar energy, are the places that are not served as well by existing transport methods. Also locations with elevation changes are favored, due to recuperation of some energy when going down hill.
It will be somewhat unpleasant for the British/Europeans, as it favors the interior of Eurasia, which they have feared, rightly or wrongly.
It may also reduce the North American need for Diesel.
Charging Semi's, is a good fit for solar energy and batteries. More charging might be done during the if that is a need.
The Self Driving potential may make the device safer, even if humans remain in the device as drivers.
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Power to the People!
I was told at one time that one of the problems of the Middle East is that they got used to charging fees for allowing East West exchanges.
Of course, the Columbus is said to have been involved in changing that.
In a like fashion, I think that the Globalists, including the British and the Biden Administration craved power by imposing themselves between a resource and the consumer.
The Soverntists such as MAGA, prefer that we do not be ruled by forces which do not give a value-added service, but instead try to charge tolls for allowing commerce, and who seek to interfere with commerce to pull a parasitic draw from commerce.
I will stop at that for now.
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Water transport and Trains are still more efficient, but with electric trucks I have read that electric trucks are perhaps to approach the efficiency of Trains, which will be very important for North America, perhaps less important to Europe and East Asia which have well developed Train systems.
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#2 2026-09-02 09:09:13
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Re: Transportation Issues
This post is reserved for an index to posts that may be contributed by NewMars members:
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Post #3: Observations about growth of automated/remote control trucking industry.
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#3 2026-09-02 09:19:42
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Re: Transportation Issues
This post is intended to follow the opening lead about electric trucks, with a related technology... remote control and robotic trucks
A local cable broadcaster published an interview with a representative from a local company that (apparently) is involved in long haul trucking innovation.
The company has (apparently) been running a series of experiments (working closely with regulators) to develop automated trucks and not just automated trucks, but entire convoy's of automated trucks. The work has been progressing with paid employees riding in the trucks, and then with a paid employee riding in the lead truck while slave trucks follow along behind. I assume the end goal is the entire convoy operating with remote control.
Void's topics can and often do depart from the opening theme, so this topic is likely to wander, but it is certainly off to a good start.
Drug runners have been experimenting with robotic ships and undersea vessels, and even remote controlled aircraft.
Warring countries have been developing automated systems for transporting weapons. There's been quite a bit of progress in that arena.
It will be interesting to see how far afield our members take this new topic.
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#4 2026-09-02 19:20:01
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Re: Transportation Issues
I was not aware of multiple trucks in a train. Interesting (th).
Query: "Utube, Tesla Semi 2027 NEW Version Revealed - SHOCKING Upgrades!"
Multiple articles here: https://www.bing.com/search?q=Utube%2C% … 231A03D6E3
I currently believe in a Yin/Yang Fourth Turning process.
512/3 =170.67 years for a dual set. We endured the previous sub-part where the interior of the country was "Fly-Over". Now, I believe it is to be the reverse. When the Yin gets old and degenerate, then the Yang awakens. These are ideas I will not die for, rather I look to see if actual events continue to support what I believe to be true.
170.67/2 = 85.33 years per sub-part.
Query: "The fourth turning explained"
By the way I had my calculations before I even knew of the fourth turning, but they have more details.
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The Fourth Turning is a period of crisis in a recurring generational cycle, where societal structures collapse and are rebuilt, often reshaping the nation’s political, economic, and cultural order.
Overview of the Fourth Turning
The Fourth Turning is the final phase in the Strauss–Howe generational theory, which posits that history follows a repeating cycle of four "turnings" within a saeculum, a period roughly equivalent to a long human life (about 80–100 years)
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. Each turning lasts approximately 15–25 years and reflects a distinct societal mood shaped by the generational archetypes in power. The four turnings are:High – A period of institutional strength and collective optimism.
Awakening – A spiritual or cultural renewal challenging established norms.
Unraveling – A time of individualism and weakening trust in institutions.
Crisis (Fourth Turning) – A decisive era of upheaval where old structures fail and new ones are forged
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Characteristics of the Fourth Turning
The Fourth Turning is marked by societal crisis, often triggered by major events such as wars, economic collapses, or revolutions. Key features include:Institutional collapse and rebuilding: Existing political, economic, and social systems are challenged and often destroyed, creating space for new structures
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Collective mobilization: People unite to address existential threats, emphasizing community and shared purpose over individualism
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Revelation and accountability: Hidden truths and systemic failures are exposed, leading to societal demands for transparency and reform
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Potential for both progress and danger: While crises can produce transformative change, they also risk empowering poor leadership or creating social unrest
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Historical Examples
Past Fourth Turnings in American history include:The American Revolution – Overthrow of colonial rule and creation of a new nation.
The Civil War – A conflict that redefined national unity and governance.
The Great Depression and World War II – Economic collapse followed by global conflict and institutional rebuilding
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Strauss and Howe also suggest that the Millennial generation may play a role similar to the G.I. Generation during the last Fourth Turning, showing traits of collective confidence and civic engagement
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Contemporary Relevance
According to Strauss and Howe, the current Fourth Turning began around 2008, triggered by the financial crisis. Indicators include:Widespread institutional distrust and political polarization.
Economic instability and social inequality.
Rapid technological change and exposure of systemic corruption
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The theory suggests that this period will continue until society resolves the crisis, ultimately leading to a new era of stability and institutional strength.
Conclusion
The Fourth Turning represents a cyclical crisis phase in history where societies confront existential challenges, rebuild institutions, and redefine collective values. Understanding this concept provides insight into historical patterns and potential future societal transformations, highlighting the interplay between generational dynamics and major historical events.
In this sub-part, we are very tired of fighting off attempts at rape of our nation. We do not like globalism as it has become more of a liability than an asset, which was not true in the first part.
So, I look in favor of the Tesla Semi which apparently may have the power to shrink the internal distances of the continent.
I take it as evidence that we are in harmony with the ordained pattern. And as it happens solar power may well become 40% rather than 25% efficiency. Vast areas of the country that we want to shrink will have this power supply in a convenient way. This is not true of Deisel.
While it is certainly good to have petroleum on hand, I think we are partially going to supplement it with the solar.
So, I also take it as the pattern that is ordained by something, that we will seek to be more local and will not as much seek global assets.
And no, we do not have to grab property such as slaves from any slave owners in this country, so, I don't think we have nearly as much to fear as per a civil war. The South is doing extremely well in this era.
The wedge that our enemies might wish to push into America, is not likely to work well, as the MAGA are competent and variously around the country, and the Non-MAGA are largely incompetent people.
But we need to keep a hairy eyeball on them even so.
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#5 2026-09-03 10:17:39
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Re: Transportation Issues
An interesting question is if a modified version of Semi can work on the Moon and Mars.
So, for the Moon, could you have a road from the South Pole to the Equator?
I presume that the tires at the very least have to be special. Then along the way you would need power stations where the trucks could recharge, and also shelter from harsh conditions such as the night.
As these can be self-driving, humans will not be required, normally. Possibly a Optimus similar robot could do some types of servicing along the path.
Query: "What is the distance from the Moons pole to the Equator?"
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The distance from the Moon’s pole to its equator is about 1,000 kilometers (621 miles).This is because the Moon is slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator — an oblate spheroid. Its equatorial diameter is roughly 3,476 km, while its polar diameter is about 3,472 km
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. The difference between these diameters is about 4 km, so the distance from the pole to the equator (half the difference) is roughly 1,000 km.For comparison, this is similar to the width of the U.S. state of New Mexico, or about 1/3 of the distance from New York City to Washington, D.C.
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Query: "What is the distance from Minneapolis Minnesota to Dallas Texas?"
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Please correct my numbers, if I have included a mistake. I am not sure that the values for the Moon are correct.
In any case, while the poles have water ice and maybe some CO2 and Ammonia, the Equator is more accessible per spaceflight/mass driver.
A large truck might have sufficient battery to keep itself warm in the Lunar night, maybe would not have to stop, but I don't know if the tires could cope with the cold.
Charging Stations if solar may have batteries and perhaps a sort of Car port / Garage that such trucks could recharge in.
Query: "What is the distance a Tesla Semi can travel on a single battery charge?"
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Tesla Semi Range on a Single Battery Charge
The Tesla Semi’s range depends on the model and operating conditions, but official specs and real-world data give a clear picture.Official rated range
Long Range: Tesla advertises 500 miles at maximum gross combination weight (82,000 lbs)
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.Standard Range: Tesla advertises 325 miles at the same GVW
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These figures are based on Tesla’s stated energy consumption of about 1.7 kWh per mile under ideal conditions
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.Calculated range from battery capacity
Long Range: 822kWh usable battery → ~483 miles at 1.7kWh/mi
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.Standard Range: 548kWh usable battery → ~322 miles at 1.7kWh/mi
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This closely matches Tesla’s published targets, confirming the efficiency claims are realistic.Real-world performance
Independent fleet and test data show the Semi can exceed its rated range in some conditions:PepsiCo/NACFE “Run on Less” tests saw 335–377 miles on a single charge, with some trucks running 545 miles in a day with top-ups
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.Other operators report averages near Tesla’s published kWh/mile rate, with slight variations based on payload, terrain, and driving style
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.Key factors affecting range
Payload: Heavier loads reduce range.
Terrain: Hills and elevation gain increase energy use.
Driving style: Aggressive acceleration and high speeds reduce efficiency.
Regenerative braking: Can recover some energy, extending range.
Summary
Best-case official: 500 miles (Long Range), 325 miles (Standard Range) at 82,000 lbs GVW.
Real-world: Often 300–400 miles on a single charge, with some runs exceeding 500 miles in ideal conditions.
Efficiency: ~1.6–1.7 kWh/mile in most real-world operations
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.If you’re planning routes, expect the Semi to perform close to its rated range under normal freight conditions, but allow extra margin for heavy loads, long climbs, or mixed traffic.
I think for the Moon, a battery trailer may be appropriate. So, the device might have a cab, a main trailer, and a battery trailer.
So, if you had several charging stations, rather than stopping long enough to recharge, you might simply leave your discharged battery trailer, and pick up a charged replacement.
I am guessing that the tire technology will have to be special, and Lubricants are going to be an issue, I imagine.
So, you might have at least one road to a pole, and then to satisfy the dreams of Japan, a road around the equator of the Moon.
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Japan’s Shimizu Corporation proposes a massive solar ring around the Moon to capture continuous solar energy and beam it to Earth, potentially providing virtually unlimited clean power.
Concept Overview
The Luna Ring is a visionary project proposed by Japan’s Shimizu Corporation, aiming to build a belt of solar panels around the Moon’s equator. The ring would stretch approximately 6,800 miles (11,000 km) in circumference and could be up to 250 miles wide, designed to capture sunlight continuously without interference from Earth’s atmosphere or weather conditions
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. By harnessing the Moon’s constant solar exposure, the system could generate energy 24/7, overcoming the limitations of terrestrial solar farms that are affected by night and clouds
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.Energy Generation and Transmission
The Luna Ring would convert sunlight into electricity using solar panels installed on the lunar surface. The energy would then be transmitted to Earth via microwave beams or high-energy lasers aimed at specialized receiving stations called rectennas, which would convert the signals back into usable electricity for the power grid
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. The project is estimated to produce up to 13,000 terawatts of power, far exceeding current global electricity consumption
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.Construction and Technology
Building the Luna Ring would rely heavily on advanced robotics, AI, and lunar infrastructure. Robots would autonomously construct the solar array, performing tasks such as excavation, leveling, and assembling panels using lunar soil converted into concrete. This approach minimizes the need to transport materials from Earth and allows construction in the Moon’s harsh environment
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. The project also envisions producing oxygen, water, and building materials on-site using lunar resources combined with hydrogen from Earth
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.Advantages and Challenges
Advantages:Continuous, weather-independent solar energy.
Potentially limitless clean power, reducing reliance on fossil fuels and nuclear energy.
Could support a transition to a hydrogen-based energy economy on Earth
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Challenges:
Extremely high costs and technological demands.
Long-distance energy transmission with safety and efficiency concerns.
Maintenance and operation in the Moon’s harsh environment.
No public funding or concrete timeline yet, though construction could theoretically start around 2035
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Significance
The Luna Ring represents a radical shift in energy strategy, combining space technology with renewable energy to address global energy and environmental challenges. If realized, it could provide a constant, virtually unlimited stream of clean energy, transforming how humanity generates and consumes power
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Shimizu Corporation’s Luna Ring concept could transform global energy by harnessing the Moon’s solar power and beaming it back to Earth.Published on February 8, 2026 at 08:45
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Robert has just added a nice post.
Joining with Japan and other interested parties such as East Asians, and Russia, and hopefully Latin associated cultures, a joint benefit and sharing of burden may be possible.
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#6 2026-09-03 10:48:18
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Re: Transportation Issues
I was not aware of multiple trucks in a train. Interesting (th).
Image of a semi with 4 trailers.
Image of a road train with multiple trucks in a convoy. Each truck with 3 trailers.
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#7 2026-09-03 10:53:31
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Re: Transportation Issues
Very Good! Thanks Robert!
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I am also, speculating on the possibility that trucks traveling over the regolith of the Mono might extract molecules that the solar wind has implanted into the regolith.
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Attracting Hydrogen Ions in Soil with a Cathode
In soil, hydrogen ions (H⁺) are positively charged cations. In electrochemistry, a cathode is the electrode that is negatively charged and attracts positive ions (cations) toward it
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. This is because the cathode donates electrons, creating a reducing environment, and positive ions are drawn to it to accept those electrons.How it works in soil
When you apply a direct current (DC) to soil, the cathode will:Attract H⁺ ions from the soil solution toward its surface.
Reduce them, often producing hydrogen gas (H₂) at the cathode surface
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.This process is part of electrokinetic remediation or electrochemical soil treatment, where electrodes are used to move and transform ions in the soil
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.Ion exchange in soil
Soil colloids (clays, organic matter) often carry negative charges, which attract positively charged cations like H⁺, Ca²⁺, Mg²⁺, K⁺, and NH₄⁺
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. This is called cation exchange. When H⁺ is attracted to the cathode, it can:Be reduced to H₂ gas.
Or be exchanged with other cations in the soil, depending on the soil’s cation exchange capacity (CEC)
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.Practical considerations
Electrode material: Inert materials like stainless steel, graphite, or platinum are often used to avoid unwanted reactions
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.Electrolyte: Soil conductivity depends on moisture and dissolved ions. Adding electrolytes can improve ion movement.
pH effects: In acidic soils, H⁺ concentration is high, so the cathode will attract more H⁺. In neutral or alkaline soils, H⁺ concentration is low, so the effect is weaker.
Field-scale application: Electrokinetic systems can be designed to move ions toward the cathode for remediation or nutrient management, but require careful control of voltage, electrode placement, and electrolyte composition
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.In summary: Yes — a cathode will attract hydrogen ions in soil because it is negatively charged and cations are drawn toward it. This can be used in electrochemical soil treatments to reduce H⁺, exchange it with other cations, or move it toward a collection point.
Taking a picture from Roberts previous post:
If you could make the end of the truck train (+), and the front as (-), you might be able to get ions to flow in the regolith from the back end of the train to the front.
Some amount of microwave stimulation may be assistive. But then you need to collect the ions.
I speculate that a special sort of capacitor might work for this.
My attempt, what I hope can be done is to create an extremely thin film of (+) Ions on one side of a capacitor. That side is also a Cathode.
The (-) side uses electrostatic cling to hold the thin film on the opposite side (Cathode) of the Capacitor.
The desire is to then pump the Ions into a container using a Piezoelectric Pump.
As I have said a bit of microwave energy might cause the (+) ions that I hope will flow from the rear of the train tires as an Anode, to the front of the train as a Cathode, the Microwaves to perhaps be able to dislodge the (+) ions from the regolith road surface, to then impact the Cathode Capacitor.
No, I don't know if it will work, but I am trying to drill down into the ballpark of something that might work.
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#8 2026-09-06 08:53:34
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Re: Transportation Issues
It appears that the intention of Tesla and SpaceX are converging. But also, I wonder if the plans of Japan may be implemented in parallel to what these companies might do with the Moon.
https://dailygalaxy.com/2026/02/japan-p … ound-moon/
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Japan Plans to Create a Solar Ring Around the Moon to Power Earth for Eternity
Shimizu Corporation’s Luna Ring concept could transform global energy by harnessing the Moon’s solar power and beaming it back to Earth.
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Just including Tesla electric vehicles and robots with Japan robots and other tech and then SpaceX notions of a Mass Driver, I think movement could occur in all these directions. And of course the Artimis grouping and the China/Russia grouping would have to be included as well.
All those efforts could make the Moon a part of the economies of Earth.
And I am wondering about this: "Can electron beams be used to accelerate payloads in space?"
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Yes — relativistic electron beams are being proposed as a long-range, high-efficiency method to accelerate spacecraft in space, with potential applications for interstellar missions.How it works
Relativistic electron beams are streams of electrons accelerated to speeds close to the speed of light. In space, these beams can carry large amounts of kinetic energy over vast distances, potentially delivering it to a spacecraft via a beam-driven propulsion system
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. The idea is to generate the beam from a fixed-position “statite” near the Sun, which can be powered by sunlight, and then transmit the beam to a probe in deep space
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Longer range: Relativistic electron beams can propagate over hundreds or thousands of astronomical units (AU), far beyond the ~0.1 AU range of laser or microwave sails like Breakthrough Starshot
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.Lower power requirements: Because the beam can be focused over greater distances, the transmitter can accelerate the payload more gradually, reducing peak power needs
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.High energy transfer: Electrons at relativistic speeds carry immense kinetic energy, enabling probes to reach significant fractions of light speed — e.g., ~10% c for a 1,000kg probe, cutting travel time to Alpha Centauri to about 40 years
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Key physics
At relativistic speeds, the relativistic pinch effect — where the beam’s interaction with ionized space plasma creates a self-focusing magnetic field — can help maintain beam integrity over long distances
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. This is a major advantage over photons, which spread out due to diffraction.Challenges
Beam focusing and stability: Maintaining a tight, coherent beam over interstellar distances is difficult; space plasma and magnetic fields can distort it
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.Energy conversion: The spacecraft must efficiently absorb and convert the beam’s energy into thrust or reaction mass
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.Transmitter infrastructure: A large, stable, and power-hungry beam source near the Sun is required
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.Deflection by magnetic fields: Interstellar and solar magnetic fields could alter the beam’s path
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While still in the conceptual and simulation phase, relativistic electron beam propulsion is seen as a promising candidate for interstellar-scale missions. It could enable faster, more cost-effective acceleration of payloads than current beam-powered concepts, provided the technical hurdles of beam control and energy conversion are overcome
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.In short, electron beams can be used to accelerate payloads in space, especially for long-range missions, but they require advanced space-based infrastructure and beam control technologies to be practical.
Could electron beams from the Equator of the Moon be used to influence the orbits of objects/payloads?
The distances would be much shorter so the methods could be a bit different.
And I wonder if we could create energy storage devices that would be helpful during the Lunar night.
Processing regolith, probably using some heat, some parts may be extracted and the remainder, a Slag, might be cast into blocks which might be made to compose Pyramid like structures.
If you have vacancy channels in the structure you might heat the structure with Lasers or Microwaves. If it is hot then it might be used to generate electrical power. 400 degrees C might be a good target.
Previously, elsewhere I have discussed a possible way to extract energy from such a "Pyramid": https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 56#p241356
"Index» Terraformation» Orbital Platforms"
Post #13 deals in part with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inoFpSyrPCc
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It may also be possible to heat the Pyramids with a fluid flowing though internal piping, but that is going to be some greater amount of trouble. Imported Carbon could allow Carbon Dioxide as a working fluid, or perhaps a metal such as might be used in a nuclear reactor might work. Perhaps a metal like Sodium.
The easier thing though if solar power is to beam power to Earth using Microwaves and Lasers would be to pump heat into the pyramids by passing energy into provided channels in the blocks of Slag that might be what the interior of the Pyramid would be composed of.
Quaise has a drilling method that if modified might be suitable.
https://geothermalinsider.com/learn/quaise-energy/
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Quaise Energy’s drilling method is a hybrid approach combining conventional rotary drilling with high‑power millimeter‑wave (MMW) ablation to reach superhot rock (over 300°C / 572°F) at depths beyond the reach of standard geothermal drilling
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.How it works
Initial stage – Conventional rotary drilling
The process starts like traditional oil/gas drilling: a rotary bit cuts through softer rock to reach the basement layer of the Earth’s crust, where hard, hot granite or basalt lies
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.Second stage – Millimeter‑wave ablation
Once basement rock is reached, the system switches to millimeter‑wave technology. A gyrotron on the surface generates high‑power MMW beams that are guided through tubing to the drill point. These waves vaporize rock without mechanical contact, eliminating the need for downhole bits or cutting tools
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.The vaporized rock is carried back to the surface by gas flow.
This method is designed to drill “perfectly clean” holes through some of the hardest rocks on Earth in record time
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.Key advantages
No mechanical wear from hard rock, reducing downtime and maintenance.
Access to superhot rock (≥300°C) at depths where conventional drilling becomes economically unviable
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.Scalable for large‑scale geothermal plants like Quaise’s Project Obsidian, aiming for 250MW output by 2030
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.Demonstrations and milestones
First field test in July 2025 drilled 118m in Texas granite, with Quaise targeting ~1km depth
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.A July 2025 milestone reached 100m in Central Texas, marking the first real‑world application of MMW drilling
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.The technology is still in development; Quaise plans to upgrade gyrotrons to 10× more power for deeper penetration
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.Why it matters
By enabling access to the largest untapped geothermal resource — the “true geothermal” at 2–12 miles depth — Quaise’s method could unlock multi‑terawatt clean energy globally, potentially rivaling fossil fuels in scale and reliability
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.In short, Quaise’s drilling method is a fusion‑inspired, hybrid system: conventional drilling to basement rock, then MMW ablation to melt through it, opening the door to ultra‑deep, superhot geothermal energy.
While the idea of a solar ring around the equator of the Moon is very interesting, it implies conducting electricity from the day side of the Moon to the night side. It could be interruptible by a impactor, or a malicious entity.
Pyramid Batteries, may be useful and may be functional way before the whole ring is created.
And if power is to be there why not also put data bases on the Moon?
SpaceX wants a Mass Driver and Sun Synchronous Satellites, which is fine, but why not also build AI on the Moon?
Thermophotovoltaic panels as the casing of the Pyramids, and under that Strained Silicon with a pinch of Aluminum might be practical on the Moon.
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As a continuation of the previous post I have this crude drawing: 
As I think it might work on the Moon, you could have blocks of slag but put spacers between them to allow infrared flows. They yellow arrows suggest pushing heat into the array of blocks using a Lasser or Microwave method.
The Dark Brown Casing is like an envelope which does not allow the heat out unless it flows through the casing which is thermoelectric as mentioned in previous posts.
The spacing of the blocks not only may allow infrared photons to bounce around in the gaps but a quicker heating and discharge of heat than conduction only would provide should the blocs not be spaced.
I of course have not depicted many of the non-cubic blocks in the diagram.
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I wasn't going to post today, but stumbled on this: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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But I have also been thinking about the materials of Post #9 further: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 13#p241413
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As a continuation of the previous post I have this crude drawing:
I am now wondering if there can be ways to heat the interior of this device directly with sunlight from Heliostats during the Lunar Day.
I feel that one of the strengths of such a system is that solar cells that work with infrared, may be more durable than solar cells directly in sunlight, exposed to UV and impactors.
I want to avoid the use of fluids for now and try to work with vacuum compatible methods.
So, the idea is to spill light off of a collection of heliostats on the Moons surface to heat a pile of slag blocks, and to allow the infrared from those heated blocks to produce electricity even during the night.
For now, the pile of slag blocks would be similar to a pyramid in the greater part. Fiber Optic's could be suggested, but I would rather be more primitive than that.
OK, here is my first try: 
So, presuming heliostats with mirrors are easy on the Moon, and that the Moon makes them a bit simpler by hot having very pronounced seasons, perhaps concentrated light can be conveyed to the sphere inside the protective insulated shroud, some amount of the heat might travel into the pyramid by infared radiation.
The stacked slag blocks will have spacers so that "Vacuum Gaps" will allow the radiation to equilibrate over time into various locations in the Pyramid.
The dark brown casing, will inhibit the movement of infrared radiation out of the structure except that it passes through it by Phonons and the out of it into space as radiation.
In the night the protective shroud will have doors closed to reduce thermal losses though the collector mechanism.
If you have glass that will tolerate large thermal shock, then perhaps the doors will be windows.
A Heliostat that is east of a pyramid may also be west of the next one in a line about the equator or a longitude of the Moon. But they also could be somewhat north or south of the Pyramids.
The heated bulb could be Stainless Steel, but higher temperatures might be suggested by the following:
Query: "Highest temperature metal that does not melt?"
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The highest melting point of any metal is tungsten, with a melting point of about 3,422°C (6,192°F) at standard pressure
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. This makes it the metal that “doesn’t melt” under normal industrial conditions — it can withstand extreme heat without liquefying, which is why it’s used in applications like aerospace components, light bulb filaments, and high-temperature furnaces
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.Why Tungsten Resists Melting
Tungsten’s exceptional heat resistance comes from:Strong metallic bonds between its atoms, requiring immense energy to break
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.High density (19.25g/cm³) and good thermal conductivity, which help dissipate heat and reduce the chance of reaching its melting point in many processes
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.Excellent resistance to creep (deformation under stress at high temperatures)
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.Other High-Temperature Metals
While tungsten holds the record, other refractory metals also have very high melting points:Tantalum: ~3,017°C (5,463°F)
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.Molybdenum: ~2,623°C (4,753°F)
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.Chromium: ~2,170°C (3,938°F)
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.Beyond Metals
If you’re looking for materials that resist melting even more, ultra-high-temperature ceramics (UHTCs) can withstand temperatures above 3,000°C, but they are not metals
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.In summary: For metals, tungsten is the one that “doesn’t melt” — it’s the highest-temperature metal available, capable of enduring extreme heat without liquefying, making it indispensable in high-temperature engineering applications.
I expect to lose a lot of energy from the Heliostats, but feel that it may be relatively cheap to have a lot of heliostat mirror space.
Anyway, this is a first try.
I think it would be good to sleep on it and see if better could emerge.
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In case I seem to be getting "Off Topic" realize that if you are going to travel on the Moon or between Earth and Moon, you need energy.
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