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I'd say that's long over due. I would even go so far as to say we should can the space treaty in general. I'd love to see the first mission to mars (American hopefully) plant the flag and then proclaim "We claim this new new world for the old new world, we claim Mars for the USA"..../parades ensue/ lol

The remaining exploring nations of Europe such as France, England, and the Netherlands were explicitly refused access to the new lands, leaving them only options like piracy, unless they (as they did later) rejected the papal authority to divide undiscovered countries. The view taken by the rulers of these nations is epitomised by the quotation attributed to Francis I of France demanding to be shown the clause in Adam's will excluding his authority from the New World.

http://www.space.com/news/bush_veto_040723.html]Bush threatening Veto over NASA cuts

Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Talk amongst yourselves.

The White House Office of Management and Budget Director Josh Bolton wrote the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee July 22 informing him that the cuts imposed on NASA were unacceptable and would be reason for the president’s senior advisors to recommend a veto.

The big man has spoken. We're going to Mars.    :laugh:

No, we need to figure out how to get signifigant (20MT) masses to Mars with a minimum of cost, risk, and effort. Eliminating Lunar water entirely by increasing the size of the Earth's rocket fuel tanks eliminates the whole trouble of Lunar water mining in the first place. Using a larger launch vehicle, which by virtue is more efficent than a smaller one with its bigger volume per surface area and little/no need for orbital docking is even better if you don't need to launch often.

A proposed new federal policy would require the military to select only one of the two existing major launch vehicle providers to continue supporting by the end of the decade, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. According to the article a draft space transportation policy drafted by the Bush Administration would require the Pentagon to select either Boeing's Delta 4 or Lockheed Martin's Atlas 5 as its sole EELV provider by 2009. The downselect is being proposed because of the expense of supporting both launch vehicle programs given the current weak demand for commercial launches. The military has insisted that its "assured access to space" policy requires both vehicle lines be kept active, so that the military can continue launching critical payloads should a problem shut down one vehicle program for an extended period. The plan would also require NASA to use EELVs for its future space exploration programs, rather than develop its own successor to the space shuttle.

Yeah, the CEV funding thing... I have a feeling its a partisan maneuver... It sounds to me like Congress wants to put PlanBush on hold until ISS is done. (then blame Bush for it)

A proposed new federal policy would require the military to select only one of the two existing major launch vehicle providers to continue supporting by the end of the decade, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. According to the article a draft space transportation policy drafted by the Bush Administration would require the Pentagon to select either Boeing's Delta 4 or Lockheed Martin's Atlas 5 as its sole EELV provider by 2009. The downselect is being proposed because of the expense of supporting both launch vehicle programs given the current weak demand for commercial launches. The military has insisted that its "assured access to space" policy requires both vehicle lines be kept active, so that the military can continue launching critical payloads should a problem shut down one vehicle program for an extended period. The plan would also require NASA to use EELVs for its future space exploration programs, rather than develop its own successor to the space shuttle.

A proposed new federal policy would require the military to select only one of the two existing major launch vehicle providers to continue supporting by the end of the decade, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. According to the article a draft space transportation policy drafted by the Bush Administration would require the Pentagon to select either Boeing's Delta 4 or Lockheed Martin's Atlas 5 as its sole EELV provider by 2009. The downselect is being proposed because of the expense of supporting both launch vehicle programs given the current weak demand for commercial launches. The military has insisted that its "assured access to space" policy requires both vehicle lines be kept active, so that the military can continue launching critical payloads should a problem shut down one vehicle program for an extended period. The plan would also require NASA to use EELVs for its future space exploration programs, rather than develop its own successor to the space shuttle.

the rich CEOs/polygamist creationists with whom Bush holds special interests, and Cobra Commander.