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#201 Re: Not So Free Chat » When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics. » 2017-03-15 09:25:36

You know you don't have to live on the coast. Early Man did not remain on the coast when the ocean levels rose with the retreating ice caps, and they did not try to stop the last Ice Age from ending. It is hubris to think we can actually preserve the Ice Caps as they are, it would require a greater technology than we now have available, I don't think that simply reducing our CO2 emissions will suffice, I also wonder if the goal of preserving the ice caps is a worthy one. What level of glaciation do you want?

#202 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-15 05:50:54

Terraformer wrote:

Tom, repeat after me: "Mars is not the United States of America".

Why have states? Why can't towns handle themselves? If they need to form bigger units to do something, then they can come to those agreements themselves.

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Well considering that the most successful probes to Mars have been American, and Europe has not even launched one of its own astronauts into space onboard one of its own rockets, (they've always hitched a ride with someone else) then why would NASA want to start up a European style Democracy run by a Secretary or Prime Minister? Russia, if they want, can have Venus, the most successful probes to that planet have been Russian, Europe can get Titan if they want, the only probe to touch down in its surface was European. If I were a betting man, I would say Mars is going to be an American planet with an American form of government, it will take lots of immigrants of course, as that too is an American tradition. Europe is a rich continent, yet they can't quite manage to defend themselves against a second rate power like Russia, they need America's help, when are they going to stand on their own two feet? (That is the question Trump is asking most of all) Why would Martian colonists want a leader they call Prime Minister, that they do not elect directly, that they have to vote for someone else and trust that other person to vote for the Prime Minister they want? That seems like a very round-about form of representation, and the Parliamentarian system lacks balance of power between the Legislative Branch and the executive branch, one of the most famous failures of the parliamentary system was the rise to power of Hitler through parliamentarian maneuvers. Hitler as you know did not receive the majority of the vote, but it was through parliamentarian maneuvering that he became chancellor of Germany, and the lack of balance of power between the legislative branch and the executive branch, both being one and the same, allowed Hitler to rise to become Fuhrer of the Third Reich. Lots of Europeans like to berate American power, but the only Europeans that seem to want to make the sacrifices necessary to become a truly great power are the Russians! Europeans seem to be content to let someone else defend them, let some other country do the heavy lifting for their security. Mars is named after the Roman god of War, I think that signifies something. Mars was a well respected deity in the Roman Pantheon, unlike its Greek counterpart, Mars was not about the chaos of war, but more about the successful prosecution of a war. Much of the success attributed to the Romans was due to their successes on the battlefield. I think Mars deserves a Senate, not a parliament, a President and not a secretary.

#203 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-14 18:22:56

RobertDyck wrote:
Tom Kalbfus wrote:

Why not have states?

Why do you want more politicians? Why do you want another level of government,

So you have a level of government that' closest to you. States are the training ground for people wanting to rise to National Government, they provide competition to people who are already in power! You know most of the candidates for President were governors of states

establishing more regulation, more rules what you can or cannot do, more human parasites padding their pockets and their friends pockets by extorting money from you (called taxes).

Most of the regulation occurs in cities. Cities are the most regulated places on Earth, I should know! I drive around in a crummy city called New York, there are regulations, regulations, and more regulations. Trying to go from point A to Point B means navigating through a series of one-way streets, and there are signs left and right saying you can't turn here or your can't turn there, almost all places where you can park for free are illegal parking spots or parking spots reserved for "special people" city workers, police, diplomats, commercial parking zones, and the mere fact that there is a parking meter and you put a quarter in it does not mean that the parking spot you've chosen is legal. To do the simplest thing, such as sell hot dogs, you need a vender's license. State governments generally don't bother with such minutia. In New York City, there is generally very little freedom to do what you want without going through many bureaucratic hoops, and paying users fees. So Robert, do you like polises, do you like being a tiny little speck in a vast crowd of humanity? Do you like the pushing an shoving and lines of people going everywhere, and traffic that just crawls?

Another division to separate people into groups so they can be controlled.

Coming from a person who lives in a country that is mostly cities and empty wilderness in between. You see in Canada, almost nobody lives in "fly-over country", you have 30 million people spread out over half a continent! Most of those people are city dwellers.

Groups that can fight against each other in war. War means average people die while politicians are safe in their huge mansions eating caviar, giving more excuse to increase taxes that you have to pay, take away civil liberties, and control the pions.

Do you know what happened to the Russian Czar's family, were they safe? The Russian Czar had a lot of Caviar, and you know how their lives ended? They ended when they lost a war, in front of a machine gun!

Yes, I'm saying a lot of rich privileged people consider average citizens to be pions or "unwashed masses". You the average citizen is a slave, treated as a slave. Am I laying it on too thick?

When there aren't any states and all the people working for government are working for the national government, there is no competition for those actually running that government, just ask Vladimir Putin about that, he stays in power because everybody else who might pose a challenge is working for him or is in hiding. The problem for Russia I the National Government has too much power, and the State Governments are just extensions of the National Government. The governors of the states are not elected but appointed by the National government! The Russian Federation is a Federation in Name only! 

As I said, in my proposal the national government will establish minimal regulation. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, other than that you're pretty much on your own dude. I said one national government for the whole of Mars and both moons. Outside city limits, no rural municipality, no local government at all. Just homesteads with no one to rule over them.

No balance of power between the regions and the center, no check on central government tyranny!

#204 Re: Not So Free Chat » When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics. » 2017-03-14 14:18:05

GW Johnson wrote:

Hi Spacenut:

I ran across a video on Netflix that is worth looking at,  which concerns this topic.  Its name is "Chasing Ice",  and it is a documentary about a photographer who set up and runs something called "extreme ice survey" or EIS.  He describes himself as initially a bit of a climate skeptic.  The film is about an hour and a half long,  mostly documenting how dangerous and difficult was the emplacement of time lapse cameras at glaciers in Alaska,  Canada, Iceland,  and Greenland. 

The time lapse results in the last half hour are quite informative:  retreat-by-miles and depth deflation-by-half-or-more of the observed glaciers.  A park service employee points out that while 4 glaciers in Glacier Nat'l Park grew,  more than 300 disappeared entirely,  and that the remaining thousand-ish shrunk.   

It does also visually document the ice core atmospheric gas composition science that stretches back near a million years.  And the Keeling curve CO2 measurement that exploded from 300 ppm in 1958 to 400+ ppm today.  In comparison,  CO2 varied between ~mid-200 ppm during the glaciations to ~280 ppm during the deglaciations.  This does demonstrate a relationship between CO2 and ice cover,  as well as how far and how fast things have changed in the last 6 decades,  completely out of line with the previous million years.

Notice that neither I nor the film point at temperature or temperature-proxy data!  Nothing that can be rigged or faked. 

GW

How do you know it wouldn't have happened anyway, absent Man? We know that 18,000 years ago, Ice sheets covered all of Canada, right down to the future site of the Great Lakes, The Hudson Valley was formed by glaciers, as was Long Island and Manhattan. There has already been quite a bit of Global warming already, most of that global warming occurred before there was a steam engine, before the first civilization arose on the fertile crescent between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Before Egypt built its first pyramids, most of that global warming had already occurred, it probably still is occurring today, the Ice Age is not completely over! If the Ice Age is going to end anyway, of what use would cutting our carbon emissions serve? Even if we cut it, the ice sheets might still retreat, as they were already retreating for thousands of years before the first civilization, before the internal combustion engine. You think we can actually stop the ice sheets from retreating when they've been retreating for 18,000 years? In due course those ice sheets may expand again and we'll have another Ice Age. Do you maintain that would be a good thing?

#205 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-14 14:08:27

Why not have states? I pointed out 18 geological features which could form the basis of Martian states, and add two more states, Phobos and Deimos, they orbit Mars and should be part of that Federal Republic as well. The most important feature is States Rights. States are the laboratories of the Federal Government, things are tried out in the states first. States provide the counterbalance to encroaching federal power. We need a balance of power between the three main branches of government to keep the system democratic and accountable to the people!

#206 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-14 12:31:43

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Here's my Mars flag. Its more complicated than the Martian tri-color, though it uses the colors red, blue, and green, it has 20 red and green stripes, one for ever state on Mars, a Mars planetary symbol on the blue field, and 20 red stars, one for each state, I've added 2 more to the original 18, one for Phobos and Deimos.

#207 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-14 08:39:35

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I would suggest a federal republic with a number of Mars states including Vastitas Borealis, Amazonis Planitia, Oympus Mons, Alba Mons, Tempe Terra, Chryse Planitia, Arabia Terra, Utopia Basin, Elysium Mons, Isidius Basin, Tharsis Montes, Valles Marineris, Tharsis Rise, Argyre Basin, Noachis Terra, Hellas Basin, Hesperia Planum, and Southern Highlands. About 18 Mars States.

We can have a Mars Senate with 36 Senators, Each state will have an elected governor and lieutenant governor, an Assembly and State Senate, a state Judiciary. Also we can have a House of Representatives, with each state having at least 1 Representative and one electoral district and a number of electoral districts proportional to population, which is determined by a Census every 5 Mars years. (Which is about a decade) Mars should have a Supreme Court a President in charge of the Executive Branch and a Vice President.

#208 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Corporate Government » 2017-03-13 22:31:12

louis wrote:

I think as always we need to distinguish between the early colony and a later planet-wide civilisation.

In the early colony, it will be much more like the Apollo missions, nuclear submarines or Antarctic bases.  People will need to be highly skilled and highly disciplined. It will be no place for mavericks or people of modest educational attainment.

As Mars becomes a much more sophisticated planet-wide community, then I can imagine it becoming more hospitable those with more modest scientific or technical skills. There will be more opportunity for homesteading a range of jobs on offer.

...

Are you sure that a higher education isn't simply being used as a selection criterion and for no other purpose? Do you want to have a bunch of professors, engineers, and mathematicians shoveling dirt? I think a lot of people would be underemployed if we send the smartest and brightest to Mars, so they can then shovel dirt and do needed menial labor and routine maintenance of all the equipment keeping them alive. You know sending people to Mars is expensive, so would you send Elon Musk, as he is a smart guy? Should be he on Earth building new rockets and running his company or on Mars shoveling dirt? Imagine sending a talented engineer and inventor to Mars and him getting all frustrated because he can't fabricate the stuff he wants to build his latest invention. Imagine an astrophysicist that wants to publish a paper for an astronomical journal, but instead he has to do routine maintenance around the base because he is the only one around who can do it. Do you see the problem here?

#209 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-13 10:30:27

There were something called Communes, but the Communists were never satisfied with them. Communism has to be involuntary and imposed with deadly force to get people to conform to their expectations, that is how Communists feel.

#210 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-03-12 23:23:56

SpaceNut wrote:

After Pledging to Donate Salary, Trump Declines to Release Proof

During the campaign, Trump promised he would take "no salary" if elected — a pledge he reiterated after he won. The Constitution, however, requires that the president receive a salary, and that it not be reduced during his term. Federal law mandates the president receive a $400,000 annual salary, paid out once a month.  Under the law, Trump would receive his first monthly paycheck for $33,333 in February, and another $33,333 on March 20. Salary donations are not the only area where Trump's pledges to donate revenue are lacking transparency. During the transition, Trump also unveiled a plan to "donate all profits from foreign governments' patronage of his hotels and similar businesses" to the Treasury Department.

Do not bet on him showing a tax return proof that he actually did....

I don't care what he does with his salary, what he does with the President's salary is no why I voted for him as President. Trump truly does not need it. I'll take his word for it, the issue isn't really important to me. Would you like him to give you a car? His monthly salary could buy you one new car a month!

#211 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » A Constitution of Mars; Scientocracy » 2017-03-12 23:20:17

Scientocracy sounds too much like Scientology! The Soviet Union was originally supposed to be a Scientocracy, the problem is, they supposed scientists that would be running the place would not be objective in their conclusions about what works, because the power we would give them would corrupt them, and they would always bias towards conclusions that keep themselves in power. Beware of too much innovation in government, the innovators often want power for themselves, and their ideas are little more than snake oil to fool a gullible public into putting them in power.

#212 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Bonobos and the Empress of Mars » 2017-03-12 23:15:24

I don't think Chimpanzees and Bonobos would be very happy on Mars, they are tropical animals, and Mars is a cold place!

#213 Re: Martian Chronicles » R.D.D. Nickel Atlas of the Universe » 2017-03-12 23:11:24

He likes to draw maps and write stories about them, his timeline does not assume any Faster than Light Drive, and there is a lot of terraforming starting with Mars and Venus. Though I have to add, if we can terraform Mars and Venus, we don't have to live with global warming on Earth, that is a trivial problem to solve for a civilization that can make Mars and Venus habitable for humans! If we really learn to terraform Mars, the Global Warming map of Earth he has drawn need not come to pass.
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#214 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Mapping a way forward » 2017-03-11 19:54:06

On the other hand we could set up a penal colony in the upper atmosphere of Venus, all the criminals could go there. We could keep them alive indefinitely by sending more and more supplies.

#215 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Steam Orion » 2017-03-11 19:50:54

Antius wrote:
Tom Kalbfus wrote:

How does SpaceX's landable bottom stage technology change this equation. Lets say we had a giant reusable lower stage capable of boosting a nuclear upper stage into space, which can then nuke its way into orbit and beyond. Both are reusable!

Might be better to do it the other way round - a reusable nuclear lower stage and a lox-methane upper stage.  That way, the nuclear payload is not at risk of burning up in the atmosphere and the mass ratio can be lower, since it is a booster stage.  It could use desalinated water as propellant and could return to the same launch site off the coast.  Would work well as a heavy lift launcher, maybe 1000te to LEO.  That way, the nuclear ownership costs are spread over very large payloads.

With a nuclear orion, you don't need an upper stage if your launch it from the ground, you would only use the chemical lower stage to reduce radioactive contamination at the launch site, and also atomic bombs would tend to destroy the launch pad and you'd have to build another one with each launch!

#216 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-03-11 19:46:12

Income tax is actually fairer than sales tax. When you run a business, your sales amount isn't your income. you income is your profit margin. Now when your competitors lower their prices, you have to lower your to compete with them, your profit margin goes down so you can hold onto your profit share, but your sales tax stays the same! What happens if your sales tax exceeds your profit margin on the sales you make? Your business goes out of business, it is no longer around to tax next year because the government put it out of business this year, this is what happened to a business I used to own. If it was a tax on my company's profits, I would have stayed in business, but it was a tax on my sales instead, so I'm out of business! Consequently I have paid no business taxes ever since!

#217 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Steam Orion » 2017-03-11 12:41:23

How does SpaceX's landable bottom stage technology change this equation. Lets say we had a giant reusable lower stage capable of boosting a nuclear upper stage into space, which can then nuke its way into orbit and beyond. Both are reusable!

#218 Re: Human missions » Apollo 11 REDUX » 2017-03-11 12:37:42

kbd512 wrote:

Tom,

If I was a better artist, I would draw pictures of what I wanted to convey to other people.  Unfortunately, I'm no Bob Ross.

I don't like typing more than I absolutely have to in order to convey information.  If I refer to my notional Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Widget as a S-Widget, then my post could be ten times shorter if I refer to that S-Widget ten times in a few sentences.  Do I really have to write "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" ten times or can people who are interested in the content of my post just start at the top, read the acronym definition once or refer to our space acronyms sticky, and then know what I'm talking about?

It takes me awhile to understand some of what GW posts if I don't already understand the concepts involved.  I write software for a living and GW engineered rockets for a living.  Even so, if I'm sufficiently interested in the subject matter I'll take what he told me and then go read about the topic to try to better understand what he told me.  He's pretty responsive to narrowly focused technical questions related to rocketry, orbital mechanics, and fluid dynamics.

How many other places except NASA, universities, or aerospace corporations can you talk to a real rocket scientist and get pointed in the right direction, with respect to your idea?  It's free education focused specifically on what you're interested in.  If there are some acronyms or terminology you don't understand, Google is your friend.  As much as I've learned from posts from GW, Rob, and SpaceNut, I've learned even more by going off on my own and exploring topics of interest to me.

I learned my typing from using the internet, in the age of typewriters, I took a typing class in school, but I only really learned how to type when the internet really took off.

#219 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-03-11 08:14:25

SpaceNut wrote:

Roger Stone, President Trump's former campaign advisor, on Friday admitted to having private conversations with a hacker who helped leak information from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) during last year's campaign.

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Where has he been hiding for the past eight years? I guess the news media is once again reporting on homeless people after an eight year hiatus during the Obama Administration, when they were ignored. Well not quite Mayor Diblasio was fighting for their right to sleep on park benches an urinate on he streets!

#220 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-03-11 08:08:32

SpaceNut wrote:

Try again as A lawyer for Michael Flynn told the Trump transition team long before President Trump’s inauguration that Flynn might have to register as a foreign agent because of his work on behalf of Turkey, the Associated Press and USA Today have reported. Trump KNEW Flynn Was a Foreign Agent; He DIDN’T CARE.

False claim of President Trump’s ludicrous accusation that his residence was wiretapped by the Obama administration during the 2016 elections with the House Intelligence: ‘NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER’ to wiretapping of Trump..

The president is willing to destroy the very agencies that actually keep our country safe by a 14% cut to the Coast Guard’s … budget and 11% cuts to both the T.S.A. and FEMA....way to go with letting down the water defenses on illegal drug smuggling, people trafficing or illegal imagrants and then do not wait for help to come after that big storm or tornado or from a huricane as Fema will not be coming....

Trump’s five impeachable offenses are:

1. Accusing his predecessor, President Barack Obama, of wiretapping his phones in Trump Tower in the run-up to the election.
Obviously Trump is an old fashioned kind of guy, basically what he means is the CIA was hacking into his computer systems and turning his devices into listening and recording devices, cell phones and the like, and they were doing that with the Russian Ambassador as well, and if anyone talks with the Russian Ambassador, they are accused of all sorts of evil things. You know the Soviets used to arrest their own citizens for talking to an American, as it was automatically assumed they were being disloyal to the Soviet Union if they did so without permission. Trump is doing precisely the same as they're doing to him, presuming someone guilty until proven innocent. The fact that someone talked to the Russian Ambassador is not an impeachable offense, the rest is unproven speculation by an overactive left wing media mind!

2. Using the U.S.’s relationship with foreign governments to personally profit, through his Trump International Hotel chain.
What's the alternative? A Russian Ambassador checks into the Trump Hotel, and the hotel employee at the desk says, "Sorry we can't help you, our employer is running for President so we need to discriminate against all Russians looking for a hotel room!" Considering that it was a Democrat that gave the Russians the secret of the atomic bomb, it was a democrat that allowed the Russians to hold onto Eastern Europe after World War II. Harry S. Truman could have driven the Soviets out of Europe and he did not! It was the Democrats who got us involved in the Vietnam War and then undermined support of that war after Nixon became President! It was the Democrats who cut our military during the Cold War in the 1970s and allowed the Soviets to achieve numerical superiority in both missiles and conventional forces! The Soviets had at best and economy only half the size of the United States, so this was a deliberate decision! We could have matched the Soviets gun for gun, bullet for bullet, soldier for soldier if we wanted to, but it was he Democrats who neglected out military during that time, so they should be the last ones playing the role of Senator Joseph McCarthy vs Donald Trump!

3. Violating the First Amendment (and its protection of religious freedom) through his Muslim travel ban.
It was not a Muslim Travel Ban, it was a ban against immigration from Seven countries, Jimmy Carter enacted a similar ban against Iranian citizens. German and Japanese citizens weren't allowed to immigrate to the United States during World War II. The First Amendment does not guarantee a foreign citizen's right to immigrate to the United States, that is not an expression of free speech  or freedom of religion. If a particular religion declares war on us, we don't have to allow them to come to the United States in order to kill American citizens either.


4. Violating the First Amendment by labeling the press “the enemy of the American people” and curbing freedom of press.
Trump did no such thing. Just calling the press "the enemy of the American people" is Donald Trump exercising his First Amendment rights to say what he wants, he hasn't arrested anyone for saying what they want. The President is under no obligation to talk to any reporters he doesn't like, they are not being arrested for their false reporting, but the President doesn't have to give them access to the White House either! There are many news media, and they all can't fit into the press conference room. Trump has no room for false reporting and fake news by people trying to libel and smear him.

5. Violating Article III Section 3 of the Constitution (“treason”) — there is growing evidence that he may have colluded with Russia to win the election.
There is no evidence only innuendo and false reporting.


More to come I am sure....as DON’T ASK About Russia! Reporter MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell THROWN OUT of State Dept. is censorship.
No censorship is shutting MSNBC down, not throwing one of its reporters out of the State Department! MSNBC has the right to report what it wants, but Trump is under no obligation to give them access to the White House, it is a two-way street!

#221 Re: Not So Free Chat » Election Meddling » 2017-03-10 10:53:54

SpaceNut wrote:

Deported US vets in Mexico hope for return under Trump govt

After manning a machine gun on a combat helicopter as a U.S. Marine during the liberation of Kuwait, he had  migrated to Lynwood, California, illegally at age 12.

So how are you allowed to serve in the US military without being an american citizen?

Flynn lobbied Turkey
President Donald Trump says that he was not aware that his former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had worked to further the interests of the government of Turkey before appointing him to the White House.

The director of the Office of Government Ethics said he is "concerned" over the White House's decision not to discipline Kellyanne Conway for promoting Ivanka Trump's brand in a television appearance. Kellyanne Conway promoted the Ivanka Trump's brand which does violate a federal ethics rule prohibiting "using one's official position to endorse any product or service." The claim is that the Office of Government Ethics cannot impose disciplinary action on an executive branch employee. The White House's is declining to discipline Conway and saying she "acted inadvertently" and had no "nefarious motive or intent to benefit personally."

All I can say is wow

There are new reports this week that major Republican leaders in the U.S. House and Senate have had enough with Trump’s dishonesty. Graham is now asking Trump to provide information to back up his claims that former President Barack Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump.

Why should he? The Democrats aren't backing up their claims about Trump and the Russians, and those claims are based on spying on the Trump campaign by the US government under Barack Obama. All Trump is saying is that if that is so, then he wants an investigation into the abuse of executive power in spying on a political opposition leader, and guess what, now the Media is denying their claims and saying they don't have evidence, so now why did they report on a Trump connection to the Russians if now they claim to have no evidence, before they did, and if they did then someone broke the law and Trump wants an investigation into it. Very simple actually. The Democrats and the Media have declared war on the Trump Presidency, and Trump wants a truce, he is showing his hand and what he will do if the Democrats and the Media continue with their attacks! Trump has indicated that he's rather work with them than go to war, same as he'd rather work with the Russians than go to war with them as well. Many of the Democrats that are now attacking him have been recipients of Trumps political campaign contributions, this includes Senator Chuck Schumer, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. These people are just show what sort of ingrates that are for conducting these attacks on him!


Republican, Senator Susan Collins, said she wants to start scheduling hearings to get to the bottom of the Trump-Russia connections and is open to further actions to get Trump’s unreleased tax records. The fact that Republicans are starting to talk tough about Trump’s scandals is a clear sign that Trump may be removed from office before his term is up.

Wishful thinking. If Senator John McCain and Susan Collins want to quit the Senate they can just retire, they don't have to lose an election! The Republicans that voted for McCain and Collins are not going to vote for them again if they turn on their own party and attack their own President. Will Democrats vote for them? I doubt it, who would vote for a Benedict Arnold, they can't be trusted, if they betray their own, they will betray others as well! Better to vote for a liberal Democrat than a turncoat Republican!

Trump’s Propaganda Director Worked With Pro-Russia Hacker In Anti-Hillary Plot with Stone in direct contact with the pro-Russia hacker known as “Guccifer 2.0” and helped coordinate the illegal leaks that tarnished Clinton’s campaign before last November’s election. Toward the end of the campaign, the Trump campaign cut its official connection to Stone and tried to keep it’s distance. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI): “I am not in favor of the wall, but if there is a wall, then I do not want the United States of America to pay for the wall,”. Illegal crossings are down at the U.S.-Mexico border, removing some of the justification for erecting the wall “billions of dollars on a wall is not the right way to proceed” to secure the border.

 
How do you know? has someone been spying on the Trump Campaign? I think maybe President Trump should get to the bottom of this and call on a Congressional investigation, what do you think?

Despite their rhetoric, Republicans are trying to hide Trump’s Russia connections and bury conflict of interest investigations. Republicans want to keep any investigation from getting even a moment’s notice in public —because protecting Trump is now their number one priority. Republicans want Americans to believe they are honestly investigating Donald Trump’s treasonous activities. But make no mistake, they are determined to keep the public in the dark about the evidence the CIA is providing.

You ever hear of Senator Joseph McCarthy, those are his tactics? Calling people treasonous without proof, I thought the Democrats were above that!

Calling for investigations has become a preferred tactic of the Trump administration as it seeks to change the subject, deflect attention from the president's unproven claims or muddy the waters when facing criticism. The House and Senate intelligence committees are both looking into Trump’s wiretap claims as part of their larger investigations into Russia’s meddling in the presidential election. The judiciary panels in both chambers are also seeking information from the FBI on the issue.

Well do you want to call a truce on both sides? Donald Trump didn't start this war after all, all he did was win a Presidential election!

#222 Re: Human missions » Apollo 11 REDUX » 2017-03-10 10:34:18

Oldfart1939 wrote:

Just  comment, not aimed at anyone in particular: too many acronyms can make an article virtually unreadable to most.

But it makes you look intelligent if you use them! wink Anyone who doesn't know them will just nod their head to look thoughtful and polite.

#223 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » The Moon Treaty of 1979 - Turning Curse into a Blessing » 2017-03-09 07:32:56

Have you ever been in a blackout? I have seen the results of centralized power distribution when it fails. Remember the Great Northeastern Blackout of 2003? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast … ut_of_2003

#224 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » The Moon Treaty of 1979 - Turning Curse into a Blessing » 2017-03-08 23:07:58

Some applications like the fission powered car are not practical, because this requires distributed small nuclear reactors instead of one large centralized one! the possibility of producing nuclear weapons from the fuel limits the potential of atomic fission to that which the government would allow. Government is forced to partner to electric utilities in order to safeguard the weapons grade fissionables that are produced by the nuclear reactor. Solar panels don't have this problem.

#225 Re: Not So Free Chat » Politics » 2017-03-08 22:57:45

SpaceNut wrote:

Trumpcare

bill will increase insurance costs by an average of $1,542  per year. In 2020, when the Republican tax credits go into effect, Vox estimates that the costs will increase by $2,409 per year. premium increases are particularly bad for older individuals between the ages 55 and 64. Their costs would be $5,269 if the bill was in effect today. The costs are worse in 2020, when the tax credits go into effect to supposedly help with insurance costs. By then, older Americans will end up paying $6,971 more per year for health insurance. People with incomes below the poverty line would see their costs rise by $2,945 today, and $4,061 in 2020.

Trump Russia Censor Media

The claim comes from former National Security Agency (NSA) analyst John Schindler. Schindler sent out a tweet on Tuesday that claimed the Trump administration is working to target the US press.

According to Schindler, Russian intelligence has teamed up with the White House help target US journalists. He bases his claim off of anonymous but reliable sources from the US intelligence community.

The Trump team has made no secret of the fact that they hate the media. White House Chief strategist Steve Bannon and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson have both expressed their disdain for the mainstream press.

Russia’s alleged involvement in Trump’s efforts to fight the press takes this to a whole new level. If it really is true that Russian intelligence is working with Trump to target reporters, then it’s certainly treason.

Talk about stupid Trump admin weighing cuts to Coast Guard, TSA to fund border wall,Transportation Security Administration, Secret Service and FEMA -- including cuts to several notable national security and emergency response initiatives -- to help fund the president’s border wall and deportation efforts.

The cuts to the Coast Guard would “stand in dramatic contrast to the President’s stated goals of securing our border and reducing the flow of illegal drugs. These cuts would “reduce our readiness and effectiveness in preventing potential attacks and responding to disasters.”

Hearing Into Trump’s Russian Ties SCHEDULED, Less Than TWO Weeks Away and just like in the election Trump was saying that he would not accept a Hillary win, Sean Spicer Says Donald Trump WILL NOT Accept Wiretap Investigation Results....

At least he's looking for cuts!

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