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#201 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Space Industrialization - Should a massive attempt at mining occur » 2003-07-03 11:49:10

Hello guys.

  My space industrilization plan is at parksweb


tell me what you think!

Update 2023/03/22 by Moderator >> www.parksweb.com is reduced to a minimal display of a blank screen...

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It may be the slash parameter that is no longer available ...  "nateweb"

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#202 Re: Civilization and Culture » The Case Against Space Colonization - Chime in » 2003-07-03 11:34:57

Clark, what I am saying is that people have an fundumental equality at oppoturnity.  I myself am a case in this point.  I was born hearing, but I lost most (90%) of my hearing at age 4-5.  I had to be taught to speak.  if I had not been taught to speak, I would had limited chance to suceed at all.  Now that I have a chance to succeed, I believe it would be better to sieze that chance and go for the greatest glory.  Anything less would make my contribuation to society as a whole worthless (I was taught to speak in public school, mind you) and would undetermine the efforts of these educators. Even though many children in other nations do not recieve the education I get, it is a waste to lay down my arms and forfeit it in the name of fair play.  I believe pushing these inequalitys will spark others if they see that they, too, can work hard and achive.  It is a sin not to use what was given to you, to die with potential unrealized.   
            Will going for the glory hurt someone?  It might.  But so what?  No things in life are done without risk.  and if we never took risks we might still not be in america. . .we still might not have the internet. . .we might still be in caves, huddling in the dark because no one is brave enough to find fire. . .fire burns but it also lights the way.  I might get burnt, even badly, but I would rather see with risk than stumble blindly.  The only way to see if knowing is better than blind ignorance is to find out. 
            I believe any kings in space will have to suffer for their crowns. . .it not an inheirance but is granted by the sweat of their brow.  If they do not, it is.  No kings will ever be at rest, for they must be on top of the game, never stoping lest another take his place, in the great game of competition we call life.  It is equal oppoturnity, but not everyone will seize that oppoturnity.  No, only those who work for it will seize it.  It will not be handed to them, and if it is, it will not be theirs for very long. 
            I want my chance to go and be a king, I want it myself. . .but so do many.  I will work my butt off to achive something, and I want to stand in the light of it.

#203 Re: Human missions » We need to promote the manned Mars trip as ONE WAY » 2003-07-03 09:58:04

As stated, (sorry I'm newbie and don't know how to quote) the chances of a mars mission succeeding was 15%.  another guy pointed out the kind of failure was changing, a shift from mechanical to software.  All the missions doomed by software were unmanned missions.  The manned missions will be less suspectible to software failure simply because there are people on ship that can repair that software if it fails.  If that cannot work, there is usually a backup that the manned mission can use.  therefore, the 15% success rate stated is much too low to be considered definative.  I believe it is much higher than it really looks.(the success rate)  In a mars mission it would be wise to have four things; a backup plan and backup files, and finally, a ace programmer.  It would be prudent to keep code as simple as possible (#4)

#204 Re: Human missions » Size of the ship that would go to Mars. » 2003-07-03 09:35:48

I do not believe a heavy lift shuttle to be feasable simply b/c it is designed to return to earth. . .that is a lot of extra weight that goes up into orbit, weight that costs fuel and payload.  It would be more economically feasible in my eyes to revert to saturn five (which launched skylab in one launch, which is larger than ISS according to my knowledge).  Unfortantly, all the blueprints were destroyed by the government, but I believe it could be found if pressured hard enough.  Even if it is not found, a more powerful and efficient heavy lifter could be created with new materials techologies and CAD programs

#205 Re: Human missions » Non-technical things durning space flight/on Mars - Entertainment and Miscellaneous stuff » 2003-07-03 09:26:54

If the ship could be spun to create artifical gravity (something like 2001) then the exersize problem is solved. . .they could do reasearch, hobbies or chat.  it could be possible they would do some quotum of maintiance to keep everything ship shape. . .  I do agree they will be playing a lot of board games but I worry what happens if they get too competive.  Well I for one hope they do a lot of writing in a journal (one personal, one public) so that I could find out what they think.  I hope they never, ever set up the ship like a reality show. . .that would be terrible and awful.  Besides, if they did, it would not sell because reality TV thrives on conflict, and everything is done to prevent conflict in the crew in space.

#206 Re: Human missions » Why haven't we left for Mars? » 2003-07-03 09:20:10

I believe the reason we have not is because the poltics of our time are not very accepting of such a mission.  I do not think it will happen for a very long time if the government assumes the lead.  I do not think it will happen for a long time if the private sector takes the lead in manned exploration.  I believe only a massive PR drive could capture the imagination of americans at large during these times will provoke both sectors to spearhead this mars direct mission. smile

#207 Re: Human missions » Mars before 2010 - an idea. - The hard part is already done.... » 2003-07-03 09:14:19

I do not want to demean anyone but the iss is designed for purely LEO orbit and the biggest problem is that it would need extraorindary modifications to make it able to accelerate out of this LEO orbit.  some of the modifications would probably cost more than the station itself.  First of all, the structure would need to be reinforced to such a degree that it would probably make it much much heavier that it is now.  then, some sort of chemical rocket engine would be needed to (ionic rockets don't exsit yet-it could be a while until they are available) propel the station into the proper trajectory.  with the reinforcement and the necessary additions (you gotta land on mars, I'm assuming) the requirement for rocket fuel would be prohibative because the space on the station is already used up by LEO experiments and without jettisoining these experiments (a major waste in itself) there is no possiblity of escaping earth orbit.   sad
   Only a purpose built ship will accoplish what it was designed to do.  The ISS is most surely not going to do that. . .
   Right now I believe the cheapest, safest mission with the highest chance of success is what Dr. Zubrin has come up with in "The Case for Mars".  It is the most definative and most comprehensive plan to my knowledge.

#208 Re: Civilization and Culture » The Case Against Space Colonization - Chime in » 2003-07-03 07:58:30

space  colonization won't just make the astronauts rich (if at all)  Mankind will benefit as a whole by space colonization, and i'll admit that there will absolutly be some of those who will benefit more than others.  So what?  that is the way life is.  If we can make it more equal opputurnity it will definatly be as fair as possible economically. . .and who ever said that the space colonists would be getting favors and privillages. . .think about jamestown where people starved, died and suffered for their wages. .the people there were nobilty but they suffered like peasants for their so called riches.  most of them never found the money they were looking for. I believe it will be nearly idenical for any colonist.

#209 Re: Human missions » Nuclear Thermal Rockets - should nuke rockets be used on a mars ms » 2003-07-02 12:37:39

Couldn't it be possible to revive NERVA from the grave so that a modern mars mission could use nuclear propulsion?  NERVA was a nuclear rocket program done 30 years ago in a followup to apollo.  The advantage of NTR (nuclear thermal rocket) are such that they are clearly more powerful and possibly even safter than chemical rockets.  Nuclear bombs have never been tested in the orion style but NERVA actually fired quite a large number of their rockets.

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