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#201 Re: Unmanned probes » Creating 3d animations - Can you do it with this pogram? » 2004-03-05 06:51:21

I found a very interesting program, Stereomorpher:
[http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/index_e.htm]http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/index_e.htm

Using Mars images, we could obtain astonishing images! Any volunteers? smile Using this program is quite difficult...

Luca

Are you talking about "[http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/index_e.htm]StereoPhoto Maker Ver2.12"?  its got some great features for stereo viewing and merging, but i tried all the options and it wont create images like the daisy animation, and it doesnt even save GIF files anyway...

you must be talking about [http://wmiller.topcities.com/program_eng.html]this $600 program which generates in-between pictures, thats pretty cool but unfortunately very pricey stuff...

Ops.. it looks like I did a nice link mixing!  tongue
Sorry about it...
Anyway, I "successfully" created "in-between"  pictures with the demo... but I did it without reading all the manual  big_smile , so I obtained absurd results.... completely unuseful.
Maybe I can obtain best results after reading the manual.
Then, to obtain an animation, I could use bmp2avi (if it supports BMP, and if I find again the link to bmp2avi...   ???  )

i tried the default and tutorial settings and just get all sorts of "couldnt load dx bitmap" errors dialogs and botched loop throw dangles and loosed threads run amok, the interface is a nightmare indeed, so far nothing to show for it but lost time... though its curious that it somehow hasnt managed to actually crash yet...

So do I... before reading the manual!
Doing so, I discovered I must press a button to start a process from inside every "tag" of the program, before proceeding to the next tab.
Boring&complex, but, if it works...
Still testing, anyway.

Luca

#202 Re: Unmanned probes » Creating 3d animations - Can you do it with this pogram? » 2004-03-03 04:43:15

I found a very interesting program, Stereomorpher:
[http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/index_e.htm]http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/index_e.htm
EDIT: WRONG LINK!
This is the right one:
[http://wmiller.topcities.com/program_eng.html]http://wmiller.topcities.com/program_eng.html


It allows creating images like this, starting from common stereo pairs:
test2.gif

Using Mars images, we could obtain astonishing images! Any volunteers? smile Using this program is quite difficult...

Luca

#203 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity*4* - continue here » 2004-03-02 03:08:18

CRAZY FORUM
I found it again! The "Mars for mads" forum  :band:
[http://anomalyhunters.com/cgi-bin/marsb … _config.pl]http://anomalyhunters.com/cgi-bin/marsb … _config.pl

It is hosted into "mars for mads" site:
[http://anomalyhunters.com/]http://anomalyhunters.com/

Please be careful when reading that site/forum: people writing there is completely out of mind!!!   :laugh:  roll

Please note:
"Mars for mads" is how I call the site... it's actual name is "Anomaly Hunters": get ready to find on Mars animals, footprints, faces, artifacts and anything you couldn't ever imagine you could find on Mars!!!

Enjoy it!!  :laugh:  (And then come back here and let's talk seriously about Mars...)

Luca

#204 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-03-01 08:27:47

What could happen if it will be discovered that some of these little spherules are made of precious minerals?...
13-jb-4-flats-med.jpg

It looks like we don't have just rusty terrain on Mars... :9

Luca

#205 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-03-01 08:16:01

This really looks like wet terrain, don't you think?
R10_small.jpg
[http://www.keithlaney.com/OCI/R10.jpg](zoom)

And "bluberries" looks a lot more interesting in "true color" rather than b/n: they appear  to be a completely different material compared to surrounding terrain. I really would like to know something about their origin!

#206 Re: Unmanned probes » Strange mars "artifacts"? » 2004-02-28 05:41:28

Ok, here we are: this is an image (80 KB) representing my theories about the outcrop origin.

marte.jpg

There are 5 horizontal sequences of happenings:
Which one do you think is more probable?
Why?

Luca

#207 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-27 02:23:09

Looking at the latest gorgeous image from Spirit, looking back towards its lander...

phew... we are getting a really long walk over the planet!!! Quite astounding image, IMHO. Sojourner has been totally eclipsed by these new rovers!

Luca

#208 Re: Unmanned probes » Strange mars "artifacts"? » 2004-02-25 09:57:46

Hello cassioli !
I think only person in this forum who can explain "Strange mars "artifacts"" is ERRORIST. You and ERRORIST should create homepage with this heading:
"We (cassioli and ERRORIST) can see things on Mars which never exist on Mars":p
or " Mars for dummies"  :band:
I want give some tribute to your homepage see at bottom center of this image I can see "big fat worm"
(IMG)

This is the reason I didn't post my theory here for... To avoid silly replies  tongue

Anyway, I can't see any "big fat worm" in your photo, just like I can't see plants, animals, stairs and similar things on NASA photos, like a lot people is doing in other fourms... (I'll post you the link, if I find it again; I didn't boomark it...)

Luca

#209 Re: Unmanned probes » Strange mars "artifacts"? » 2004-02-25 02:16:58

Luca, I've often said here at New Mars that I enjoy a good mystery or a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person. But I'm having trouble seeing anything especially mysterious in these photos of yours.

I printed them and attached them to the wall in my room.
When I look at them, out of their context, they don't appear at all Mars photos...

I believe rock formations can often assume peculiar shapes and an experienced geologist would probably look at the erosional features you point out here and explain them quite easily.

I know this; somebody here posted a link to the "Giant walk", a basaltic formation so called because it looks like made of giant exagonal tiles. But it is the natural result of lava crystallization.

Unfortunately, I know little about geology and I can only make guesses at their origins, such as wind/sand or possibly water/sand erosion

    However, even if we were to assume you are correct and that something has dragged over these surfaces many times to produce the grooves and angles, can you suggest anything which might have been responsible?
    It sounds to me as though you're insinuating that some kind of animal may have made these 'tracks'. Or have I misinterpreted your comments?
                                               ???

I have absolutely no idea of what could actually have created those formations. At least, not reasonable ideas which I could post into a scientific forum...  roll

Maybe I'll create a short web page to explain my theory out of here.

Luca

#210 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-25 02:00:26

That RATed BB as in [http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1M1308 … 1.JPG.html]this nicely sharp image with the striations accross it look like it might have merely been scraped by the RAT and then dislodged and turned a bit. Note that the other BB on the right shown no such scratch marks. there doesnt seem to be any noticeable concentric layering inthe BBs, which would point to concretions, i hope im wrong, i hope these dont just turn out to be boring tectites...

Are tectites easily deformable? These BB's in the image link look more like they've been squashed in place likle the rest of the surface rather than scraped. It's such a pity that they can't pick items up and send them back. Any idea as to what size the microscope taking images at.

I read several times on NASA site that micorscope's closeups give out images 3x3 mm wide (1 inch = 2.54 cm = 25.4 mm , so 3 mm = 0.12 inch)

Luca

#211 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-24 13:08:33

I don't see how those formations would be so strange. It seems pretty likely that the "bedrock" was shattered by the impact that created the crater, and then eroded further.

By what?!?

Of course what created the "bedrock", and how much of the erosion was pre-(water?) and post-(wind + sand) impact is still unknown.

What is strange to me is the 90? erosion... I can't imagine water or wind turning 90? smile

Luca
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#212 Re: Water on Mars » 'smoking gun evidence that water was on Mars' » 2004-02-24 10:06:30

[...]

    Your point about the lack of chemical evidence for a martian biosphere is a very good one and it's bothered me for a long time. A strong sequence of logical steps has led me to believe a sterile Mars is virtually an impossibility. But if there is life, and if it is essentially made of the 'same stuff' as terrestrial life, where are the chemical markers of its existence?

Each time I look at the outcrop Opportunity is looking at, I ask myself: what evidence of a past life (even civilzed form) could remain on a planet with atmosphere, after about 1 or 2 million (billion?) years later?
Maybe no direct evidence of lifeforms, but... what would it look like a modern cement building on the  earth, after 2 million of years?
Just like... this?
1P129690596EFF0322P2261R1M1.JPG  [http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P1296 … 1.JPG.html](zoom)

#214 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-24 09:49:48

The closer you get, the stranger it gets...

1P129690039EFF0322P2261R5M1.JPG ([http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P129690039EFF0322P2261R5M1.JPG]zoom)            1P129690736EFF0322P2261R7M1.JPG   [http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P1296 … 61R1M1.JPG](zoom)

Very unusual natural formations, IMHO.

#215 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-24 03:19:39

Really, REALLY strange outcrop (and a great site for Spirit/Opportunity imagery):
1N130502231EFF0448P1861R0M1.JPG ([http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1N130502231EFF0448P1861R0M1.JPG.html]zoom) 

1N130502269EFF0448P1861L0M1.JPG ([http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1N130502269EFF0448P1861L0M1.JPG.html]zoom)

But THESE actually look like water tracks:
1N130502194EFF0448P1861L0M1.JPG ([http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1N130502194EFF0448P1861L0M1.JPG]Zoom)

I don't know what to think, do you?...
Luca

#216 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-24 03:03:50

Maybe this is the right place to post this question: this is the only serious&scientific mars forum I was able to find. I found another one, where poeple says they can see stairs, bricks, faces, plants and animals in spirit/opportunity photos...

What i THINK to see is strange, but not SO strange! smile

Look at this image:
1P128461085EFF0200P2350R2M1-BR.JPG
(You can see an enlarged version [http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 50R2M1.JPG]here)

What I THINK I see is a strange "artifact": do you see that strange "90 degree rock" on the right? Doesn't it look like a rock eroded by repeated dragging of something heavy over it?
Maybe it could be erosion due to water or lava, but it is really strange.

Then look at the left part of the image: you can see something similar to "tracks", similar to those one left by ancient Roman wooden wheels over ancient Roman "streets" made with flat rocks.
I don't mean Romans went to Mars before us tongue , I am just saying they are quite strange formations.

Any idea?

Luca

#217 Re: Unmanned probes » Strange mars "artifacts"? » 2004-02-24 02:55:46

Hi Luca and welcome to New Mars!
    I think I see what you mean. But it's possible the stata, which are leaning 'backwards' perhaps because of the impact which caused the crater, have layers with different degrees of hardness.
    Windblown dust and sand could have preferentially eroded the softer layers, leaving the "90 degree angles in the rock" you mention.

    Your use of the word "artifacts" puzzles me somewhat. What do you yourself think caused the regular 90 degree groove?
                                             ???   smile

It's quite difficult to explain it usinng my poor english...:( Anyway, if you repeatedly drag something heavy over a "soft"  rock, the rock will be eventually eroded.
Actually, if dragging continues for a really long time something over a rock, it will be eroded even if the object is not so heavy: I am thinking to the erosion of very old stairs in old monuments and buildings, due to people's steps.

I am also thinking to tracks left over ancient Roman ways by Roman wagons after repeated passages: they were just wooden (or iron?) wheels, but the rocks composing the"streets" were consumed a lot.

Actually, some "tracks" are visibile on the martian outcrop. It could appear too "science fictious", but...
Anyway, I repeat, it could just be the result of water or lava erosion.

Here it is the closup I was looking for:
1P128461085EFF0200P2350R2M1.JPG

You can see the "90? structure" on the right, and the "tracks" on the left part of the image.

Luca

#218 Re: Unmanned probes » Strange mars "artifacts"? » 2004-02-23 02:43:17

(Too big image deleted; see next post to see what I am referring to)

This image looks quite strange to me(sorry, but how can I just link an image without displaying it?): in the center of the image you can see some "regular" features, some rocks which looks like if they have been "consumed" , or "eroded" by something: how could you else explain those strange 90? angles in the rock? It looks like something was dragged for more and more times over the same part of the rock, until it was consumed.

Could it have been done by volcanic activity? Maybe it is just water erosion?

Does anybody know where to find a closeup of the features I'm referring to?

Luca

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