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Its made out of snow and ice and you will not pollute antartica with any building materials. Also easy to dumb and move on.

I think that Cobra Commander is not denying global warming but he is saying that you must prove that it / was caused by US citizens / industries.

Makes me think about the Zapitista in the south of Mexico but they are more fighting / protesting against landowners.

I'm sorry but what do you mean with human extinction?

I mean as long as there are animals like fish/chickens and grasses/fruits/vegetables, the human race will not go extinct. The world will maybe not be able to support the 6 billion of today but there will be a balance.

For me I don't care who's side is right or wrong about global warming. Because pollution is the number one threat to childrens lifes (astma, low vertillity, weak immune systems, cancer) and is a more direct threat then global warming.

So I think pollution should be priority nr 1! Global warming to me is like nature parks. Should we conserve the nature park or build a shopping mall?

Who cares if the fossil fuels run out. The problem is more are we prepared for it?

At this moment no.

What do you mean with this?

The problem is the "not invented here" doctrine. Even if the Energia would have a warp drive, the US government couldn't do much about it as they must try to support local businesses before anything else.

Tax payers money should stay in the country. If you want to make exceptions ok, but I think its a good doctrine in general.

Well if you think of oil as energy then I think that any industrialized country is dominated by its energy demands and  its (foreign) supply.

Only way to break this circle is:

1. Live like the Amish.
2. Alternative forms of energy.

What I like about Kerry is that he favours "green energy" I put it in quotes because green energy doesn't mean just tree huggers but alternative forms of energy.

What I dislike about him is that he is just more of the same but possibly not Bush. I think thats a bad argument and motivation.

If Nader would run in Europe I would vote for him no question. He is the most like what I think. Some political parties here in Europe should look at Nader as I think his ideas would have more support in Europe then in the USA.

So a space colonization program could benefit the poor in the long term. That if they manage to get to the space colony. As it will be probably be a mix of a lot of nationalities, they can leave their cast system behind them. Basically why now a lot of people are fleeing their countries and head to the western world but now they can go to space and perhaps be more wanted as space colonies will be always be short of hands as I think in space colonies economic growth will never stop and grow as there is nothing to stop them from doing so except war. This is off course until there is balance reached between Earth population wanting to move and Space based people ability to reproduce.

However a problem will be if we export also culture to space. So perhaps you will have Muslim, Christian and Hindu kinds of separation and hatred. Or the culture of have and have-nots. However automation, cheap production methods (robotics) and an endless supply of resources will stop the "have and have-nots culture" like cheap plastic goods and mass production did on Earth in some limit. But in space this will be even greater.

Not saying there will be no rich and poor, just that poor have anything they need, the rich just have it gold plated.

It doesn't matter much at this point anyway as you need to explore and test your machines before you can send a human mission. The satellite and robotic missions seem to fulfill this first priority.

In the time during the ESA must have successful missions, such as NASA's rovers, which will attract a lot of press and then they can start lobbying for more funds.

I just found out that there is already an euro version of a Mars human mission. Look for the Aurora programme on esa's website.

Just give the ESA or Russian Space Agency the money that the USA was commited to and let them solve it. You know, buy off your stake in the project.

This way NASA:

1. Can concetrate on what's coming next.
2. Save money by decommisioning the shuttle now.