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But I thought the French Loved Tom Cruise.
The French will like any american actor speaking few words of french, and will love all americans which speak french
What this trouble is doing is simply turning France more and more towards the right of the political spectrum. The far right are certainly enjoying this but no political authority or party has gained anything from this, yet.
That's not as simple. Strong majority of the Frenchies both approve governmental tough action at carblasters and their families and disagree with cuts the government made in social helps to the wrecked suburbs as well as they all know that high unemployment rate is the main society illness causes.
LO
I'm pleased to know that France is listed by Bush administration as a country which doesn't respect religious freedoms.
Nothing to do with the islamic veil affair. By the way, the European Court of Justice just said that Turkish laws banning islamic veils out of turkish universities didn't discriminate peoples and were fully respecting the rights of men Bill.
The main reason is that scientologists have been considered in France as dangerous a sect. French Scientology Churh leaders have been condemned for crookery, premeditated violences, illegal medecine practice, and some other illegal behaviours such as falsely pretending that their schools had Natonal Education authorities agreement, paying doctors which sent patients to the Scientology Churh.
French law considers that it's illegal to make money out of influenceable peoples, abuse of weakness is punishable.
Some geographic precisions for CNN journalists
Lille is not on the british channel coast
Strasbourg is not Munchen in Bavaria
Toulouse is not in Switzerland
Lyon is not in Massif Central mountains
Cannes is in french riviera, not placed instead of Marseilles
LO
First, I'm not a Chirac supporter, IMHO, the only positive he did was not to engage french soldiers as targets in Iraq.
With Bush poor answer to Katrina and british citizens throwing terrorist attacks at their own country, Blair facing economic growth joining the french and german poor ones, a rejection by his labour left wing on some of his antiterrorists laws and is unabble to get any EU majority of countries agreement as EU temporary leader, french events are a very good derivative, aren't they ?
For nearly two weeks, he said, French President Jacques Chirac "has allowed the insurrection to build in ferocity, refusing to use his military, allowing anarchy in the streets."
If it's Fox peews, it's manipulation. What shows that Bill O'Reilly is a liar and Fox reporters ignorants which don't investigate and know absolutely nothing about what they talk about is that the French National Gendarmerie which acts against rioters is the french inland Army. It's military, administrated by MINISTRY OF DEFENSE.
Mr Murdoch always hatred froggies, constantly campaining french bassing in his british media group, he'd better teach journalism to his TV reporters.
Chirac did nothing partly because Mr Sarkosy is his personnal ennemy.
As I already said, soldiers are equiped for lethal fight, not to reset order.
Laurence Parisot, leader of the French employers' organisation Medef, said the country's image was being "deeply damaged."
Funny, the french employers' organisation Medef which struggles to reduce as many employees number as they can, and are the firsts to refuse to give jobs to ethnic minorities dare comment a situation they are mainly responsible for...Surrealistic !
Here, we have very stupid problems to face, because of governmental improvidence:in two years, there will a lack of more than 10000 doctors in France just because not enough places for students in medecine universities had been planned.
None can say that authorities hadn't every needed statistics to be aware of this problem.
Feeling in youth is that police is above laws, be true or not. As an ordinary citizen, I have this feeling too, I've often seen police cars outpassing red traffic lights with no alarm sounds on, what means that they weren't in any state of emergency.
Police is supposed to respect laws, and traffic lights, by the way.
So that excuses the mass destruction of private property? A police car running a red light?
The way you argue sounds like intention prosecution, I don't like it at all. You make me very angry at you.
I just say that there is a feeling that xenophobiac part of police and mainly his chief, Mr Sarkozy, have not so clean hands, manipulating opinion by letting fire go on, then playing the role of a he-man strong firemen chief, when fire spreads, this to serve his aim to be elected as "president of the republic"
Trying to understand and explain why teens went mad doesn't mean that french population, neither I, forgive violent acts nor don't support repression.
I think that we should have sentenced to jail the violent kids' parents, as being fully responsibles for their kids behaviour, this would have stopped all firesettings by minor kids much sooner.
The Police "general survey services" say that there is no terrorist organization behind these events, Ulemas and all muslim authorities published fatwas to condemn any act of violence against other peoples' and public goods, in vain.
Objectively, there is a police usual harassment at black and arab origin youth which is far enough to rise these kids wrath.Right, because kids in 300 French towns, Belgium, and Germany, are all such buddies that they all risk serious jail time, injury, and when if police ever get their act together, death, to help each other burn stuff. And they all have such pride in their old countries that they abandoned them in search of a better life. And they love France so much that they are burning it down. Islam and their crappy situation are the only things unite them. And they figured out the connection. The riots are in defense of who they are, Muslim. If islamic extremists are not exploiting this now, they will.
Rioting kids are far from being all muslims, you assimilate ordinary muslims with islamic extremists which are'nt real muslims whenever they target muslims or christians or even jews in terrorist acts, this is forbidden by Koran. Its equivalent to say that the NAZIS are the same as the democrat-socialists because they call themselves "national-socialists"
In France, number of african or arab originated policemen as well as politicians is ridiculously weak compared with the rate of african and arab originated people in the population. This is a very heavy governmental fault.
No one will argue that. The question is how do you deal with. Do you allow the communities in question to police themselves? Try to buy them off with more wealth redistribution? Admit you don't want France to turn into Eurarabia and ship them someplace else?
First, we'll never allow self lawying, we'll never admit any sharia court in France.
We want french laws and french police to be respected upon all the french territory. But we want a balanced police which doesn't harass anyone for the very color of one's skin.
Wealth redistribution is a poor substitute for self wealth by getting a decently paid job the government is unable to create the conditions for.
The fact is that in Aubervilliers, a place where do live lots of muslim country originated people, located half a mile from my home district, you can see the eldest ones drinking BEER or WINE, as any french citizen at the cafés terraces.
LO
I've been keeping an eye on this, and I must say its very disturbing because the "punishment" does not fit the "crime".
These people have been treated as second class citizens (in France) for 40 years, completely dependant on welfare, and they come completely inhinged because 2 idiots got themselves snapped?
First, is a question : why 2 kids feared so much police that they endangered they lives to try to escape if police wasn't usualy very rough at arab native kids ?
It was first reported that these two kids where listed by police as usual delinquents which is absolutely false.
This added to the previous Mr Sarkozy (our equivalent for a State Secretary for inland security) speeches claiming he would "karcherize suburbs" set fire in the two boys district, teens interpretating the two deaths as the begining of the "karcherization" policy.
The only way you can go nuts about this is if you think your kids are somehow above French law.
Feeling in youth is that police is above laws, be true or not. As an ordinary citizen, I have this feeling too, I've often seen police cars outpassing red traffic lights with no alarm sounds on, what means that they weren't in any state of emergency.
Police is supposed to respect laws, and traffic lights, by the way.
I'm sorry, but something else has got to be going on here. If you don't like government policy, economic, social, or otherwise, you don't just go around burning things. That You sit in front of Chiracs house and yell hell no we won't go, or something like that. These people are skipping steps.
Almost all the french citizens think that the kids went completly mad
Something more sinister is going on. Somehow these people, all over the country, at the same time, are getting the idea that this is going to help. And given the age and education level of these people, its not historical knowledge of the French love affair with the white flag. This isn't just boys being boys. You can guess who is using this non-event to stir up trouble.
The Police "general survey services" say that there is no terrorist organization behind these events, Ulemas and all muslim authorities published fatwas to condemn any act of violence against other peoples' and public goods, in vain.
Objectively, there is a police usual harassment at black and arab origin youth which is far enough to rise these kids wrath.
In France, number of african or arab originated policemen as well as politicians is ridiculously weak compared with the rate of african and arab originated people in the population. This is a very heavy governmental fault.
LO
That's a popular South Korean newspaper.
South Koreans feel as being the very same people as north Koreans.
In a poll, a slight majority of south Koreans answered that if USA was to take military action against North Korea, they would rise against USA.
DonPanic
You are not alone with what you see from the poorer areas of your nation. Even in America we can find much of the samethings with respect to the many that are unemployed, the poor living conditions and as a teacher you are to be commended for putting yourself out there to make a difference. To try to effect change though education but those you give this knowledge to must make the steps to use it. It is see how to use it that maybe just as big of a problem.Here in my state we have usually about a 25% dropout rate in high school to which the state has on the law books that a student can quit school at age 16. The governor of our state recently went on record asking to just change the age to 18 in order to keep these kids in school. But this does not solve the reason for why a student must feel that he or she should quit in the first place.
When I give physical science lessons to these boys and girls which lack education, I always ask them to handmake experiments, and first to handmake tools of exprimentations, for example, building and assembly from raw material by themselves the trebuchets they will use to measure weights. I think that it's very important for these children which are too poor to have intelligent toys such as Lego or Meccano to devellop handskill as well as scientific and mechanic knowledge, if ever they want to find a handjob later on. And I always try to conceive lessons as an entertainment for kids as well.
Each time they get proud of what they did with their own hands, I think I didn't waste my time.
Find the mistakes...and see why we laughed at some foreign TV reports. Vive CNN and GoogleEarth
I go and teach Science for free or very small wages in these poor districts
Then you see the culture clash up close and personal. Do you disagree with Wieviorka that this is a "total crisis" for integration?
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When going in these wrecked suburbs with supposed to be agressive kids,
just saying them "hello" with a smile, they answer "hello, my brother"...
This is all about economics, total crisis has 3 causes :
1) Inemployment
2) Inemployment
3) Inemployment
Had parents a job, had the children a hope for a job, nothing would happen.
They just want to be as everybody, own a house, a car, be abble to get married, grow up children
This a a failure from french government, partly EU, to provide conditions for high employment rate.
I'm not a pro politician, I admit I can't say which would be these conditions.
DonPanic, using the US as a comparison (in whatever regard) or pointing out perceived flaws in US journalism aren't helping your nation's social ills.
Yes, dear, in France, I struggle day after day against usual racism, against hate at Arab country originated peoples, I go and teach Science for free or very small wages in these poor districts, I can't do much more personnaly, and, as you can see, I'm not agressively critic at USA, except for Bush, war at Iraq, but now majority of US citizens are critic too, and I'm strongly against "Intelligent Design" as a non scientifical theory.
LO Palomar
The very tittle "Paris is burning" seen on some sites or news papers or magazines front page is caricatural.
Most of the 5000 burned cars will be paid back by insurances. What is really dramatic is the number of burned schools, to be rebuild, one factory and some shops fire dammaged which have to lock out about one hundred employees.
What compared with a single tornado wastes when reaching a small US town ?
So what I am really saying is, even French rioters are lazy.
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very coward, too :oops:
All together now, "Let them eat cake!"
Am I the only one who thought France was better when Frenchmen only argued outside the cafe on whether the "table" is?
Cheer up, France is bound to win, they are fighting themselves. Think about it.
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Okay, I never claimed I was polite or well mannered. Ve va la Republic!
In my own Paris district, with high ethnic mixity, not the least trouble, not a single fire. Tourists are still visiting without any danger.
We are laughing when seeing US press reports. Fires are impressive, but in fact, there are very few violent struggles.
In cities suburbs, for whole France, there are just some thousands crazy guys which set fire to what they can when they see there no cops or no citizen watch around.
Citizen watch patrols are being organized, to help police.
When insurging kids' parents will be condemned for their children behaviour and will lock them home, peace and order will be brought back soon.
Paris is burning, where is the military? Have the leaders of the roits been rounded up and public beheaded yet, The police are beening shot at. In America the police would break out the machine guns and get put a lot of hurt on them. Nothing like been shot at to get the idea that its wrong to kill people, burn cars, schools, and churchs. If we burned down a islamic hodo center they would call us racistist, but when they do it, its call social justice? France used to be a strong nation but liberism has weaken it to the point were an islamic revelution has started. If the islamist get control of frace they will have nukes. The US will not stand for this and will yet again have too liberate france from a forign invader. It was France who stop the islamist from invading western Europe. Now they up and let them in to the point were they can take over.
Here, we don't send army at kids ! Most of them are teens.
Problem is that this insurgengy is spontaneous and has no real leaders.
We're strong enough to reset law and order without killing people and consider that gun shooting at kids is the deepest barbary !
And we don't need US to crush islamists in here, try and offer your violent method to the Brits, or try to protect USA against further islamists attacks.
We have defeated an islamist attack try on Paris by plane hijacking, NOT the US !
So, Mr Earthfirst, we don't need your lesson.
If you want to know more about riots in France, ask questions.
Will Le Pen win the next election because of them?
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Mr Sarkosy tough politics are bound for attracting Le Pen's electors.
Anyways, Mr le Pen is hatred by 75% of the froggies, as a "soft neonazi", so that he will never acces to power.
So the French gov't has called for a curfew, beginning last evening. After 10 or 11 nights of rioting. That seems like "too little, too late."
There is a heavy responsbility of our Security minister, Mr Sarkosy which said that he would "karcherize" suburbs. (Unlike in USA, towncenters are unhabited by rich peoples, and poor peoples are pushed away from centers)
He sanctionned police officers trying to thame teens having sports with them, and decided to set a repressive policy, displacing policemen which knew which teens were good or bad guys.
"Karcher cleaning" hurted teens pride. Many demonstrated or rioted saying "we aren't cockroaches to be that treated".
But don't mistake, in spite of some racist behaviour, french police roughness would seem very very soft compared with US police brutality at black citizens.
It seems to me, DonPanic, that the French gov't has been trying for a long time to adopt a morally superior stance to America. This rioting surely highlights your own nation's social ills. Unfortunately a lot of good, decent people are being victimized in the meanwhile.
Propaganda... as well as USA supposed to be the country of Freedom. (Maybe sometimes, US women will no more be free to abort)
French economy is lagging, from what I hear there aren't a lot of jobs available, and then there's the annual 1-month holiday from work (how do you manage that anyway?). It seems this was going to boil to the surface sooner or later.
You should know that Frenchies never eat at work, so chewing time isn't accounted in working hours , that french working hours productivity is among the worlds' highest. French workers have cut hollydays time in shorter periods, one whole week each three monthes so that with more relaxing time, that increases working time productivity. But frenchies' annual working time is equal to average european annual working time.
Our country suffers high unemployment rate as well as inadequation of working talents with job proposals. We score a lot of litterature and social sciences high graduates which refuse to work in building industry, computer industry, which lack workers and have to import immigrant workers.
Tradition is to have a centralized power which take all decisions, organise Science and Research so that private enterprises have weak Rn'D departments.
French economy isn't so bad, for instance Renault, after having taken control of Nissan and brought Nissan back to benefits, might try to take control of GM.
French enterprises have high benefit ratios, and the unemployment rate is very slowly decreasing, but largely not enough.
Problem is our heavy bureaucracy, almost heavier than the former red states one, lack of banks boldness which do not fund and help emerging enterprises, so that creating an enterprise is a very tough job in France.
LO
If you want to know more about riots in France, ask questions.
Just notice that up to now, police didn't have had any gunshot at rioters.
LO
A dude french Foreign Legion soldier arrives in a casern in Sahara desert.
The place officer welcomes him, makes him visit the casern, shows him all commodities, the mess, his dormitory place.
Soldier asks : "huh, Captain, and for sex ?"
Says the officer: "That's what camels are here for, too"
One night, as the officer rounds up for survey, he sees the soldier, up on a bench, trousers down on shoes, behind a camel.
"WHAT THE HELL are you doing soldier ?
-"But you told me...camels...sex..."
-"RIDE A CAMEL and go to downtown brothel, YOU STUPID !"
LO
-First A380 flight to Frankfurt airport to study airport equipments fitted to allow 550 people transit.
-India and South Korea to enter in ITER research tokamak consortium.
-Froggies side USA in sanctions threats at Syria for Rafic Hariri former lebanese prime murder plot.
LO
Thanks SpaceNut.
In the links you set,
If this material also had amazing properties that made it highly conductive of heat and electricity, it would start to sound like something out of a science fiction novel.
This turns the space elevator laser beam power supply to a day dreamer fantasm.
That translator is terrible.
LO
Ze second A-380 Airbus prototype took air zis morning.
Wizz an all froggy logic, it will be numbered "04"
Tests will be carried on very cold taking off and landing conditions.
LO
So, its mean that the space elevator isn't geostationnary, such as the SE earth station should be mobile
and abble to fly over mountains
I think you're joking, but just in case - no, it means that geostationary orbit for point masses is different from geostationary orbit for 35000km long cables. The strength of gravity varies over the length of the orbiting cable - this is something weird and new that you have to take into account.
Kepler's orbital laws are neither weird nor quite new.
That's the reason why I take all illustrations and videos showing straight lined Space Elevator ribbons as a fake, even with strong tension, they should be spiral line shaped. Even on NASA page about SE, illustrations are wrong. That's a reason why I have great doubts on Space Elevator promotors being else than people trying to make money on fake studies on this concept.
Mass of SE payloads should be negligible compared with the SE mass, not to destabilise it, then if SE should be massive, its cost will blow up over all previsions.
A magnficient concept very poorly defended up to now, IMHO...
LO
Lets say 92000km ?
Oh I see what you want. Maybe this will put your mind at rest ...
So in general, for an orbit that extends over a great range of altitudes, the orbit will be faster than the orbit at the center of mass altitude. In conclusion, even for an elevator not attached to the Earth, the center of mass should be above GEO.
So, its mean that the space elevator isn't geostationnary, such as the SE earth station should be mobile and abble to fly over mountains
The main thing being that you can't treat the space elevator as a point mass like normal satellites, so you have to take into account the gravity field - which varies by a factor of 300 over the length of the cable. The lower portion counts for much more than you might think.
Either an object is in balance at geo, then if you pull it with a traction motion, you disbalance it, or there is a traction force opposite to your traction to keep the balance, that's physical basic law, sir
You're right - there is going to have to be active adjustment of the orbit. The question is the order of magnitude. Basically the question comes down to: can I use solar power, or do I have to put a nuclear reactor at GEO?
A nuclear reactor ? That isn't simple nuke powered batteries.
Do you know how heavy is a "nuclear reactor" ? Is it included in the costs prevision ?
LO
They say that a terminal counterweigh is tighted to SE terminal.
In your opinion, which is its orbital speed so that it would be in a straight line with the SE main station on Geo orbit ?
I guess that depends on how far the counterweight is from GEO?
Lets say 92000km ?
I see though, that Steindl and Troger have called the no-counterweight version of the elevator (they use the term sky hook) into question in a recent (2005) paper. Let me read their paper and I'll get back to you.
So it looks like you need some sort of counterweight at GEO just from a stability point of view. Interestingly, lighter cables need larger counterweights for this issue. However, for a 65 GPa cable, Steindl calculates a minimum 6000 kg counterweight - which isn't going to be a problem - we're not even talking asteroid. Papers addressing other orbital stability problems (like the ones caused by the Moon and the Sun) are also referenced.Looks like a cable that goes further than GEO still needs more study though.
Either an object is in balance at geo, then if you pull it with a traction motion, you disbalance it, or there is a traction force opposite to your traction to keep the balance, that's physical basic law, sir