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#151 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-27 09:41:15

When you post, it's really representative of that narrow mind

Disregarding who said that and to whom, I'd like to say something.  Too often       standing for/believing in something is equated with "a narrow mind."  And by the same token being "open-minded" is often mistaken for spineless passivity.

We need to be careful not to make these mistakes.

#152 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-27 06:59:38

Tom, you've gotten the lovely Cindy upset with me. Shame on you!

Lol!  Not terribly upset, just trying to sort out your perceived feelings/opinions from my own.

If you believe the propaganda about Canadian immigration being lax, then read the case of Maher Arar. He's an immigrant from Syria who lived in Canada so long he's a citizen. When travelling to the US he was arrested by American officials and deported to Syria. He travelled with a Canadian passport so Canada insisted he be sent to Canada, not Syria; American officials ignored the demand. He was tortured in Syria. He wasn't a criminal, he didn't terrorise anyone. He and others like him are those admitted with Canada's "lax" policies.

Not saying I believe Canada does have lax immigration laws.  It is an often-repeated accusation, though.  Of course that doesn't make it true. 

It seems the overall issue here is Pres. Bush, a rugged individualist, "leading" a nation in that fashion...which appeals to other rugged individualists (which are many here).  OTOH Canada and Europe are very socialist -- or seem so.  That is a major philosophical difference right there.  Probably is the crux of the matter.

Meanwhile the nation continues tearing itself apart over Iraq.  That, and many Americans it seems are becoming more stringently politically polarized; disagree with someone and kiss your friendship goodbye.  roll  Ironically, American liberals tend to be the most truly intolerant of differing opinions; agree with them or else, lol.

On the bright side, Pres. Bush will be out of office in a few years.  I am hoping for a return to a more NORMAL America...the one I knew a mere 7 years ago.  Frankly I think too many things are broken to ever be truly fixed again.  Particularly as violence within this nation goes.  The plethora of school shootings alone is enough to convince me Rome is starting to burn...

Unfortunately. 

::shakes head::  The U.S. I knew 20 years ago -- even 10 years ago -- compared to today is just weird.  I hardly recognize it, am glad my father did not live to see all these unpleasant changes.

#153 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-10-27 06:04:48

[URL=http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061027.html]The Spider & The Fly[/URL]

Not a new discovery, but will post it anyway.

Oh-so beautiful.  There's a bit of blue on "the fly."  Perfect for Halloween, too.

#154 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-25 08:37:11

::EDIT:: As for women carrying pistols in their purses, to each their own. It's enough of a hassle, though, trying to get ANYTHING out of a purse in a split second -- even if purse is tidy with few items in it.

At least in this area it's not altogether uncommon for women to carry snubnose revolvers in jacket pockets. They have aluminum or titanium frames so they don't weigh much, and they can be fired from inside the pocket.

Oh.  neutral  This proves once again that I know very little about weapons, lol.  Jacket pocket, huh?  I've seen that on TV.  Wouldn't work so well around here with the hot weather.

suspect thugs are getting a little uneasy about approaching women walking down dark streets with a hand in their pockets. Hard to tell if it's keys or a .38 special

Yep.

#155 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens - NASA/ESA Saturn orbiter & Titan lander » 2006-10-25 08:30:21

Titan's surface:  Dusty dunes?

Forget vast liquid reservoirs.  Speculation that Titan is covered with dunes possibly several kilometers deep.  These dunes are likely more dust than sand, though; one scientist is dubbing it "smust."

Next Cassini flyby is Oct. 25. 

Cassini to try and determine composition of dunes

Volcanoes and lakes also in the search.

#156 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-25 07:47:18

My friends which went to USA reported me how harsh was the first contact with the US road police patrols and how schoked they were to be aimed with guns on simple car controls.
"Steady, keep your hands on the steering wheel..." and so on

Where did they go and what were they doing when they were stopped? I'm the first to agree that American police can be real pricks and are particularly anal about speeding compared to other nations, but never once have I had a cop approach me with a gun drawn during a traffic stop.  There's something that doesn't jive about the story, some piece of information that's missing.

Agreed.  I've been pulled over by police maybe 6 times since age 16 (speed limit variations or perhaps a signal light was out).  Never had a pistol drawn on me.  I've driven past many pull-overs (even on quiet residential streets), have never seen a cop with a pistol in his or her hand while talking with the driver.

What we have here may be one of those cultural differences that prevents a full understanding between the participants. Canada, France and the US are very different places. Things work differently, the people are different, social forces are different.

Yep.  Major cultural differences.  Canada, for instance, seems much more British than American in many respects.  And I've no doubt if Canada could physically move to just north of the UK, they'd do it.

::EDIT::  As for women carrying pistols in their purses, to each their own.  It's enough of a hassle, though, trying to get ANYTHING out of a purse in a split second -- even if purse is tidy with few items in it.  There's a definite possibility of accidentally shooting one's self while trying to get it, or being overpowered and the pistol used against you -- particularly as the attacker's reflexes are likely quicker.

#157 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-10-25 05:44:56

Stellar sorting in a globular cluster:  Hubble yields direct proof

Heavier stars slow down and sink to the cluster's core, while lighter stars pick up speed and move across the cluster to its periphery.  This process, called "mass segregation," has long been suspected for globular star clusters, but has never before been directly seen in action.

, the stellar density near the center can be more than 10,000 times higher than in the local vicinity of our Sun. If we lived in such a region of space, the night sky would be ablaze with 10,000 stars that would be closer to us than the nearest star to the Sun

Not surprising:

Like a subway car crowded with commuters, this stellar crowding strongly increases the probability of encounters among stars, even collisions and mergers.

I've previously read that two stars merging would be like two raindrops merging; a slow tapering process at first, then a gradual melding; the end of the process would be quickest.

A small number of these stars are of a very rare type known as "blue stragglers": unusually hot and bright stars long thought to be the product of collisions between two normal stars

Possibility of a black hole in this globular cluster:

The results were also used to check whether a black hole exists in the cluster's core, by looking for its gravitational pull. But the measured stellar motions rule out a very massive black hole.

--Cindy

#158 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-24 07:08:43

I was part of the local community citizens patrol. We patrol the neighbourhood looking for crime

:?  That sounds ... Orwellian to me.

with flashlights and cell phones with a special number to the police. The police respond to a call from a citizens patrol more quickly than a normal call to 911. The group collapsed a few years ago due to internal community politics, but I'm starting it up again. We don't have guns, we don't have weapons, but the first time we got flashlights from the police; you know, big ones with 4 D-cell batteries and a steel case (hint, hint). The police also gave us radios, but cell phones are cheap now. Do you have the courage to patrol your own neighbourhood with nothing but a cell phone, notepad, and a heavy flashlight?

Don't have to.  In this city of roughly 110,000 people our crime rates are (believe it or not) low.  The worst thing that's happened in our portion of the city was someone hitting our house with an egg a few Halloweens ago.  And in 2000, a "grinch" stealing a lawn ornament.

If Canada is as peaceful and "together" as you all try to make it sound, I'm wondering why you need civilian neighborhood foot patrols?  Honestly, the concept is strange to me -- particularly as it smacks of some voyeuristic "checking up on the neighbors."  If you only need flashlights/notepads then likely your crime rate IS low and you're wasting your time.

Some U.S. neighborhoods do have "Community Watch" -- wherein families therein have pledged to call the police in the event of suspicious activity.  I've never lived in such a neighborhood.

#159 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-24 06:40:04

What if criminals are better armed than the border patrol? Do you think we're going to adhere to a 100+ year old treaty and allow crime lords to take over the Great Lakes Region? I believe Al Capone once ran smuggling operations across the US/Canada border, and Al Capone had machineguns. Machineguns are clearly a weapon of war, but Al Capone did not sign that treaty.

Al Capone was American. Terrorists don't come from Canada; they come from the United States...A dramatic shoot-out with big guns is part of American culture, but it's very primitive and stupid. Competent police arrest criminals without firing a shot. Even in the United States, most real police go their entire career without ever firing their weapon. Perhaps at a shooting range, but never at a suspect. A single shot from a .38 calibre police revolver can take out a suspect with a .45 calibre Tommy gun. A good police officer can make the arrest without killing anyone.

Geez Robert, you make all Americans sound like a bunch of drooling gun-toting idiots who can't wait to shoot up everything in sight.  Right...we have no liberals here, no one seeking gun control.  roll 

Yes, there is a lot of violence in the U.S.  I don't like it either.  Repeat:  I don't like it either.  Lots of Americans don't.

Terrorists come from other nations too.  We didn't invent suicide bombers...you know? 

And according to news reports I've heard, terrorists ARE coming from Canada over into the U.S., thanks to Canada's lax immigration standards.

Non-Americans try to stereotype all Americans as being stupid warmongers who have no decency or common sense.  Many Americans see non-Americans as wearing rose-colored glasses and being nitwits who naively think "If we're nice to them, they WILL be nice to us in return."  Or that you all have a false sense of moral superiority.

I'd laugh if it weren't so serious.

#160 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » We survived a supernova » 2006-10-24 06:25:19

Sol in a cluster with siblings early on...

...one of which went supernova only 0.32 to 5.22 light years away.  yikes  Solar system(s) believed sturdier, more resilient than previously thought.

--Cindy

#161 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-16 08:47:05

big_smile  Yeah, I still dislike the "evolved from monkeys" notion.  I'm too pretty to have evolved from a chimp.  tongue  Lol!(...)
You've got me. I know nothing about chess.

I guessed   wink
Well, that's what I look like, playing chess, figuring what are the opponent motion possibilities, and foreseeing how to leave him no choice for the next moves

DonPa2.jpg

It's nice seeing you!  What of you we can see.  wink

plainly admitting that I do share with Bonobos more than 98% genetic pool...nevertheless with a 145 IQ, mainly because of the 2% that make the differencewith no special pride to have inherited the some gifts I have, both from genetic and quality education...

And I am definitely holding out for that 2%, lol.

Back on topic --

#162 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 21:16:54

So long as conservative Christians maintain their power here, the U.S. will support Israel. Why? Because it is believed Jews are God's Chosen People and the land which is Israel was promised to them by God. Also, it is believed that "they who bless Israel will be blessed; they who curse Israel will be cursed."

So, the U.S. will likely support Israel indefinitely.

Don't those crazy .... (you can use your imagination here) support Israel. So that the world can end?

These conservative Christians also believe (I have seen this in print, though not online) that Great Britain lost favor with God and thus lost its Empire, wealth and strength when it (allegedly) "turned its back on the Jews" shortly after WWII, and that God bestowed favor upon the U.S. instead for supporting Israel.

I cannot recall what exact circumstances they consider as Britain's "proof of having betrayed Israel"; it's been many years since I read that claim.

But again, it is literally believed the U.S. will be cursed by God if we stop supporting Israel.  So you see, to this point of view, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks/wants:  U.S. survival depends upon Israel's continuation and well-being.

#163 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 21:00:44

One thing which has struck me about many political viewpoints (found anywhere) involving current U.S. foreign policy is that "it takes two" doesn't apply; that it's only the U.S.'s fault, period.
No one else is to blame; just the U.S. alone.
Doesn't make sense. It always takes two.
This is why I do believe a lot of anti-American sentiment is just plain unfair.

Hi, daughter of an Intelligent Designer  wink

big_smile  Yeah, I still dislike the "evolved from monkeys" notion.  I'm too pretty to have evolved from a chimp.  tongue  Lol!

I guess that you aren't very chess competive, I'm trying to describe a chess game

You've got me.  I know nothing about chess.  Voltaire would be disappointed in me.  He used to play chess with a Roman Catholic priest who also lived at Ferney...imagine that.  wink  Voltaire was a Deist.  See?  I'm in good company. 

Is anti-americanism to notice that the blind US support at Israel rise the muslims hate and feeds terrorism ?

So long as conservative Christians maintain their power here, the U.S. will support Israel.  Why?  Because it is believed Jews are God's Chosen People and the land which is Israel was promised to them by God.  Also, it is believed that "they who bless Israel will be blessed; they who curse Israel will be cursed."

So, the U.S. will likely support Israel indefinitely.

#164 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 15:27:29

Espeically when you force good muslim men to engage in homosexual acts...What about the women raped in iraq and then got burnt?

Those acts were wrong.  Completely wrong.  The U.S. tracked those soldiers down, court martialed and threw them in prison.

Give us a bit of credit, huh?

I'm currently also thinking of all the innocent victims of Saddam Hussein.  You know:  People he poisoned, tortured, women his sons raped for sport, etc.

Let's hope the Iraqis soon have a better future.  All Iraqis, not just certain sects.

#165 Re: Human missions » Nasa Shuttle, ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2006-10-14 15:07:26

And ... what do we do in the meantime, between de-orbiting the "junkyard" we've spent so much effort learning how to assemble and make habitable ... and waiting for something like it only marginally better to be put up (say) by China supported by Russia while we watch and perfect our antiballistic missle defences from North Korean and Iranian threats?

...how's about we go to Mars?  tongue

Come on! Accept that we have only once to be the firstest and the bestest--and this is it.

:shock:  Oh please...don't make me spew my soda!  Seriously.  You're saying the ISS is our "first and best"...?  Please tell me I'm misreading you.  No, Apollo was the first and best.

Onward and upward, I say, with what we already have in hand, however inadequate. Nothing's perfect in space program start-ups, by definition.

True enough.

We've been starting from scratch ever since Apollo shut down.

Yeah.  sad  Thanks for nothing, Pres. Nixon.

...surely beats your defeatist suggestions of starting all over again.

The ISS wasn't a start, in my opinion.  Pres. Nixon threw a curveball, it's up to us to recoup it.  The springboard would be starting where Apollo left off, not this continual "lost in LEO" baloney.

Because, be then, we'll have lost out to the next generation of spacefaring wannabes.

Thanks to ISS and shuttle, I think a lot are lost already.  Nah, go with my plan; we'll have wannabes in droves.  wink

#166 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 14:53:04

One thing which has struck me about many political viewpoints (found anywhere) involving current U.S. foreign policy is that "it takes two" doesn't apply; that it's only the U.S.'s fault, period.

No one else is to blame; just the U.S. alone.

Doesn't make sense.  It always takes two.

::shrugs::

#167 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » New Discoveries #5 - Deep space, galactic, solar system, etc. » 2006-10-14 05:59:40

The Spiderweb Galaxy

Very aptly named.

have shown dozens of star-forming satellite galaxies in the actual process of merging.

a large galaxy 10.6 billion light-years away from Earth (at a redshift of 2.2) that is stuffing itself with smaller galaxies caught like flies in a web of gravity. The galaxy is so far away that astronomers are seeing it as it looked in the early formative years of the Universe, only 2 billion years after the Big Bang.

"The new Hubble image is the best demonstration so far that large massive galaxies are built up by merging smaller ones."

Galaxies can be seen as they are sucked into the Spiderweb at speeds of several hundred kilometres per second, from distances of more than a hundred thousand light-years around it.

The Spiderweb Galaxy is located in the southern constellation of Hydra (the water snake) and is one of the most massive galaxies known.

--Cindy

#168 Re: Human missions » Nasa Shuttle, ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2006-10-14 05:11:36

"And in the short span of six years..." you say. What does that particular time span conjure up, I wonder, with regard to your presumption of hatred (your term) of the US in the World?

Well, not to go too far off topic (even if I did start the original thread)...everything has changed since 9/11.  Some of that is unavoidable.  In childhood/teen years the U.S. seemed mostly welcomed and admired by the world.  I would have felt safe traveling to just about anywhere.  Not anymore.  But attitudes and behaviors have dramatically shifted within the U.S. as well.  Frankly I often feel somewhat estranged as fellow Americans go.  I'm never into "reality TV," I am willing to remain friends with people whose political views differ from mine (unlike lots of folks here who become downright hostile and rejecting of others), etc., etc....in some ways I'm at odds with quite a lot of current U.S. sentiment.  But again, the U.S. does seem downright hated now by much of the world.  Is some of that our own fault?  Sure.  But not all.  Western civilization is pulling itself apart over how to deal with hostile outside forces.  The repercussions of 9/11 have been staggering; "world turned upside down."  I sure miss the old days.

As to the "piece of junk," it's already in LEO and in no danger of burning up, thank you, very much.

De-orbit it!

Are you burning up, now?  :oops:

Hey...I don't kiss and tell.  wink

#169 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-13 16:19:23

I guess we have a [expletive inserted] head of government about as bad as George W. now. Stephen Harper wants to build 3 armed heavy icebreakers for the arctic, install underwater microphones, UAVs, and some other stuff to defend Canada's sovereignty. He spoke to the Economic Club of New York on September 21, where he actually said "We will defend our sovereignty over all our territory — including over the islands, waterways and resources of the High Arctic — even if that conflicts with American claims,". Flouting something like that in the face of a bunch of CEOs is just stupid. Is this guy trying to start a war with America? All that is stuff that Ronald Regan was trying to get Canada to build, he wanted Canada to spend more money on North American defence, but why claim to a bunch of American businessmen that it's targeted at America?

:shock:  neutral

Good grief, is the entire world going nuts?  I'm stunned.

Um...is there a chance he was just joking/satirical?  You know -- stir the pot, get a reaction?  I doubt it, but thought I'd ask.

If you can get your government to calm down and not spend all that money to arm the Canada-US border, I'll get our government to not arm the arctic. I know we're just citizens, but politics starts with voters.

Will try.  Still stunned...

#170 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-13 15:00:43

. If you think there’s illegal immigration from Canada, you’re dreaming. Welfare pays more than illegal unskilled labour jobs. The only reason for a Canadian to move to the US is a highly paid professional job, and that requires income tax.

Wanted to address this as well:  I've never heard anyone accuse Canada of giving us illegal immigration troubles.  You're our very quiet neighbor to the north, tidy and self-contained.  smile  That's the general perception, imo -- and you've earned it (compliment). 

In fact, Bill O'Reilly has often pointed out the similiarities of Canada's GNP, population, etc., compared to Mexico and has asked the Mexican gov't to stop and consider why it's not faring as well -- or better -- than you guys!  With its nice climate, two lovely ocean coasts, oil...

So, you're not being "seen" as Mexico To The North.  Rest assured.

I wish the Mexican gov't would get its act together for its people!  They deserve much better than what they're getting.  Imagine a strong Canada, U.S. and Mexico:  All independently strong.  That'd be great for everyone.  Hopefully some day soon.

#171 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-13 14:50:14

From what I understand (not claiming to be a political expert here...far from it), part of the issue is [no particular order]:

a.  Canada's perceived [note I said perceived] lax immigration standards and the threat that poses us [terrorist activity/planning].
b.  Thwarting terrorists actually crossing down from Canada.
c.  Ditto drug smugglers/trade.

...and last but not least, if we didn't show some vigilance towards our northern border, reverse racists in the Mexican gov't would be screaming "racism" [even if Canada doesn't give us even 5% of the troubles Mexico does with its inept, corrupt, bungling "gov't"].  I live only 50 miles from the Mexican border and trust me, most people here are quick to say "and our northern border too!" so as not to be accused of racism.  roll  Even my husband, who is Latino, has to be "careful."  It's ludicrous.

#172 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » 16 Candidate Stars (ES Planets) » 2006-10-13 08:29:12

Hubble SWEEPS

What a photo; zillions of stars.  wink

This crowded star field towards the center of our Milky Way Galaxy turns out to be a great place to search for planets beyond our solar system. In fact, repeatedly imaging about 180,000 stars in the field over a one week period...

In the end, SWEEPS astronomers found 16 candidate stars (green circles identify 11 in this cropped picture) that are likely closely orbited by large Jupiter-sized planets with periods of a few days or less.

Why so many super-Jupiters out there, seemingly?  Is our diversely beautiful Solar System an anomaly?  We've pondered that before and I'm wondering again.

#173 Re: Not So Free Chat » North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ? » 2006-10-13 08:00:00

Bill O'Reilly claimed:
"the reason North Korea is causing trouble is that it wants to influence the November election"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610100005

I think O'Reilly's got rocks in his head on this one.  Just saw headlines at spacedaily.com:  China is uniting with South Korea against N. Korea (China -- N. Korea's buddy).  Japan has stopped importing N. Korean goods (that's going to hurt).

Would Kim Jong Il be so foolish as to shoot himself twice in the foot to influence our November elections?  I doubt it...even if he is a vainglorious crackpot.

#174 Re: Human missions » Nasa Shuttle, ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2006-10-13 07:10:07

Welcome Heimdall. Nice to see someone new, the same arguments get tiresome.

Interesting name, in old Norse mythology Heimdall is the guardian of the gods who will blow the Gjallarhorn if danger approaches Asgard. He's guardian of the Bifröst Bridge, the bridge leading from the realm of mortals, Midgard, to the realm of the gods, Asgard. His hall was called Himinbjörg (Sky Mountain). An interesting name for a space fan talking about human access to space and the ISS. Do you live in a Norse country?

Whoa, Robert.  yikes  Didn't know you were a mythology buff.  Ah, your fantastic computer-like mind.  wink  I do envy it (in a good way).

some Americans claim anything American is good, anything non-American is bad. The obvious reaction to this may appear anti-American if you haven't read the anti-everyone-else rhetoric. Many of us would like to just "get along", but nationalistic arrogance appears to be a problem that just won't go away.

But there's also the (often my own) feeling -- discouragement actually -- that others are especially out now to make us wrong, wrong, wrong no matter what we do.  It's a bit confusing to go from most of life with the U.S. generally beloved and welcomed most of the world over...and now we're so universally hated.  :-\  And in the short span of 6 years it seems.  Sure, some of that is a result of things we've done or not done properly...but not all of it.  Frankly, some U.S. hatred has become fashionable; the "in" thing to do.  roll

As for Canada, it gave us William Shatner and Hayden Christensen.  That definitely makes it one of the best nations in the world.  big_smile

As for the ISS, I still say abandon that piece of junk and let it burn in LEO...let's get on to Mars.

#175 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Comet Swan » 2006-10-13 06:00:07

Tonight [Oct. 13] is a good night to find Comet Swan. The handle of the Big Dipper curves toward it, pointing the way. Although the comet is too dim to see with the unaided eye, it is an easy target for amateur telescopes, glowing emerald green against the black night sky.

Will take my 'scope out tonight.  The Big Dipper's handle is easily seen from our back yard.

Sky map

Cool; nearly exactly halfway between last Dipper handle star and Arcturus. 

Photo; lovely green "snowball"

All that courtesy spaceweather.com

--Cindy

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