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It won't let me delete or replace the dll file as it says windows is using the blasted thing. I've looked online, but nothing helps. Any suggestions?
If you play with the system files, you are going for a long trip of tears and nerves . Save you data first and after...do what you can.
we have many many more aliens than in Arizona . . . They don't adbuct you for sex or organ . . . we might have 1 or 2 in this forum by the way (no it's not me ).
So you do abduct for sex and organ transplants? :;):
well, I guess, In Arizona a least, according to what said Earthfirst. For what other reason ?
I'd like to be abducted by some cute alien in Arizona for sex. In New York, as I said, aliens are more...elaborate, they steal phylosophy books, paints of Renoir and Dali, if they abduct you for sex, be careful, some are not what you think they are, if you see what I mean.
The organ transplant, I remember a show on SciFi that prove without doubt that they remove organs from adbucted humans.
Art bell dint the alians abduct him or did he just go on vaction.
I hread that a couple of rular folks were aboducted in pressoct valley,
probably raped him too.
I just want to mention that here in New York, we have many many more aliens than in Arizona. They are more educated too. They don't adbuct you for sex or organ transplantation or to retrive Al Gore on the Moon, they are nice and cool people, very liberal. They support Kuccinich for the election. You can talk to them and invite them in the best french restaurant of New York. They order wine for diner and they pay the check. Really fantastic aliens, we might have 1 or 2 in this forum by the way (no it's not me ).
Maybe I am wrong in all of this...but this is how I see it.
who knows, only time will tell. I agree with Cindy, Alt2war etc, we all think that Saddam was bad, he could have been "impeach" or "retired" in another way, this has been said and said and said, and still, we won't be able to convince a single Bush supporter, even with facts. At this point it's not a matter of fact but more of irrationality.
What do you expect, Bush says "sorry I was wrong ?" he will never do that, never never.
You waste your saliva.
Look, I don't like to give personnal informations by here it could be relevant. My father was a regular soldier during the algerian war, from the french regular troops I mean. First, when he came back, alive, thanks God, he didn't like to talk much about it. After 10/15 years stories start to pop out. He said basically the french wins the war against the rebel in Algeria "militarily speaking". Not just fighting, they also had to maintain the 'regular life. He teached the kids at school (probably the same kids that would throw stones at them ) to replace some missing local teachers, even if he had no experience in the matter. The french army also fed these algerian kids. He said one time he was distributing breads from a truck to kids. At one moment, the kids crowd became too big and started to become chaotic. The french soldiers started to shoot up in the air and one kid came right straight in front of my father's gun, put his chest against the gun and said "go ahaid, shoot me".
I'm glad that he didn't shoot the kid by the way, even if at that moment he probably thought that "winning the war and bring' them on" will never work. Otherwise the war in Algeria was like a war of embush, much like in Iraq today.
It took my father 30 years, 30 years, to say one day "we had no bussiness to be there, it was their country not ours" and question openly why and who send him there and why it turn out to be a defeat since on the ground, he felt the french army won the war. I must precise that my father is very very conservative.
Well, "nothing new under the sun" or said otherwise "the more it changes the more it is the same".
LO
Reformated "system partition" and reinstalled on W2K pro 6 times this year without any kind of problem.
(hadn't an antivirus)
reinstalled 6 times W2K in a single year ? you should panic, donpanic, it seems a lot to me. Unless it's on a different PC of course.
why did you have to reinstall 6 times ?
and don't you have a limited ****** of installations allowed ?
Back to Europe, the worst country is absurdum Netherlands, the moral corruption outdoes Rome,
you don't have to speak latin, Earthfirst, here we are not so litterate to be able to understand it.
But what's wrong with the absurdum Netherlandanum and Rome ? they cannot invade your border, by the time they reach Arizona, they gonna have to pass through the great New York and have their asss kicked if they behave badly.
Beside that, I am happy to see that you are a supporter of Lamarck, if you've read his biography in the link I have posted before, you see that the french 'establishment' gave him a hard time. He deserves to be known at least.
Also, you don't have to go high tech to do genetic :
what about positive or affimative action in the US, is it more Darwinian or Lamarckist ?
What about the fertility clinic where you can choose your egg donor on a catalog, is it Darwinian or Lamarckist ?
Since Darwinism implies selection of the fittest, I would say the first example is lamarckian while the second is darwinian.
In my experience, reinstalling Windows every 6 months or so is just par for the course.
Exactly, reinstalling windows, in the actual situation, must be the rule for almost everybody that browse internet, run softwares, games, multimedia etc.
The problem is that the number of activation is limited, with 3 allowed, "every 6 months" means that you have to buy a new copy of windows every 1.5 years. I wonder how many people have been confronted with that issue.
So maybe Microsoft should sale Windows with an unlimited number of activation.
well guys, using hardware from the 80's is not a a solution for everybody. And using a second computer deconnected from internet, or something like an old mac or an amiga, is not much better IMO.
It is fascinating that we have here a model of evolution. Future OS might be as much designed to fight future virus than the future virus might be designed to infect future OS.
The code for windows is on the net, supposedly, so Microsoft should acknowledge that and ask, OK now what do we do ? we gonna have an epidemy of worms and other nasty stuff soon. A possible answer is antivirus softwares provided and updated for free by microsoft. Or continuous online scanning of the system for virus, again provided by the OS provider, microsoft, or maybe the IP provider, for free.
I believe that Lamarck's theory should be revisited and that now, we, homo sapiens, follow a lamarckian trend of evolution. You guys are biology educated obviously, so you know what said Lamarck right ?
Huh? I just googled Lamarck and from what I've learned in the last five minutes it dosen't seem like he really knew what was going on. Well, he knew enough for back then, before anyone understood how evolution worked, but it turns out that you can't pass down "aquired" traits. Trust me, we've done enough research to know that Darwinain evolution is the only form that really has an impact in the long run. We can prove it by looking at DNA and how hereditary traits are passed down through alelles and chromisones. Naturally, you have to go a step further with humans, what with our ability to modify things genetically, but that's a different story alltogether.
Yes, if you take Lamarck word for word, he is wrong and you are right.
Lamarck said that acquired or improved traits through repetitive use, such as fast speed for predators that run all the time and become faster run after run, or long necks for giraffes that feed on higher and higher trees, are transmitted to the descendance. And so generation after generations, the usefull characters are improved a little bit, and so you can understand how guepard are so fast and giraffes have a so long necks. Some facts also 'seemed' to fit with that theory, like the baby camels have callosity on their knees at birth, 'as if' their parents have transmitted the character through the repetitive habbit to seat on their knees.
Now I agree 100% that this is false, these acquired characters are not transmitted through genes.
But what about behavior. This is a trait particularly important in mamalian species.
I've seen several documentaries about tigers displaced in Africa. Not only they learn to hunt, not only they improved their skills at hunting but they also transmit these acquired skills to their offspring. Same for lions that can learn how to hunt new preys like elephants and teach it to their youngs.
Survival of the fitest is the base of the darwinian theory, but these animals do not become the fittest 'by chance' like a darwin model would assume, they become the fittest because their parents have learn, improved and transmitted new skills to them.
For the youngs, these transmitted skills are probably as much important for their survival than the small genetic variations inherited by chance. So in another thread I suggested than in reallity, evolution proceeds through darwinian AND lamarckian mode. And that the 'dumber' the animal, or primitive if you want, the more Darwinian the evolutionary mode is, the smarter the animal, the more lamarckian component there is.
And I took the analogy of the chemical liason, that can be purely ionic like in salts, or purely covalent like in some molecule like H2, but rarely. Most molecules are linked by both forces, ionic and covalent and not by a single pure force.
In the case of the biological evolution of our species Homo sapiens, I think that the 'lamarckian component' is much more important than the 'darwinian component' and that at the opposite, a bacteria just follows a darwinian law of evolution.
Now it would be nice to mesure quantitatively these components to test this theory, but I am not working in the field of evolution. This is just my guess.
The neo-darwinian theory would certainly be stronger if it integrated quantitatively this Lamarckian behavior.
Also, the reason why anglosaxons reject Lamarck in the theory of evolution, beside that he was french, is that this acquired skills theory put more responsability on what happens to the animals that follow Lamarck, rather than Darwin. In social biology, Darwin is conveniently used to explain why we live in the best world possible. Everybody is at his place by reason of random chances or by bad luck, that some call 'bad genes' and you can do nothing about it. With Lamarck, you really fight to create your own evolutionary path. You can litteraly fight against your genes if they are bad. You fight for your genetic freedom and you get more responsability for what you or your offspring are. So their is a political side here, the establishment /conservative don't like Lamarck.
Don't be too tough with Lamarck, he didn't know about genes.
But did Darwin knew more about genes ? no, no more than Lamarck.
Jean-Baptiste de Lamarck. (They forgot the 'de' in the link):
[http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/lamarck.html]http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/lamarck.html
Do you have an information that suggest it's a 3d mapping ?
No URL, but they showed a 4-5 sec flyaround on NASA TV during the press conference. They must have made up a composite of the various in focus bits of the microphotos and then used it as a texture map. They have some algorithm that can extract 3d data from the level of focus in a series of 2d images which 'focus through' the same scene.
I'm surprised NASA didn't post it as a movie, its quite cool.
So it was really a 3D picture ? they should mention it in the caption. Congratulations to Lars that saw that 'trick', but it was rally not so 'obvious' Lars.
By the way you said you use 3d softwares, Lars, may I ask which one ?, we had a thread about this, some time ago between Clark and I. We talked about Bryce, that Clark is using, and Terragen that I prefer. Maybe we could move to discuss that there, if you are interested.
Hmm... its probably a "secret" virus (OMG), that was probably "secretly" excuted when you downloaded a corrupt file.
OR THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT TO GET YOU.
It's fixed now, no problem. No, I don't believe in secret governmental conspiracy, i just believe that computers, especially the PCs, will have to face this reallity : computer virus are there and they won't go away. Better accept it, they are part of the OS almost.
The antivirus software are not 100% efficient, so over time, a computer linked to internet, must accumulate corruptions.
The question of this thread is how long will it take for the computer to need a clean reinstall. In my experience it is about one year, for you it might be longer, i don't know. It certainly depends a lot of the usage intensity and internet connection.
Probably microsoft has statistics about that.
Rxke, yes there is a limit of reinstall allowed. Since you have 30 days to activate your copy of the OS, they know how many times you used it. At least with Windows Xp Home, I could reinstall 3 times before it was denied. But then I called microsoft, telling them that I was reinstalling on the SAME computer and they give me a new key to activate the Xp copy again. Now, I have Xp pro, maybe the total number allowed is different.
Until I met you, Dickbill, I never knew a Frenchman could have such a delicious sense of humour. Your politics are, of course, incomprehensible (what can one expect of the French?) but at the same time your wit and intelligence are undeniable!
Wait a minute, Dickbill's French? I'm confused, first people start making weird random comments about Quebec (French-speaking Canadian provence), Arizona, New York, and France, and now it turns out that Dickbill's French and I think that Earthfirst is from Arizona. Or I might be totally wrong. In any case I'm also from Phoenix, AZ, am taking French, and would like to say that I have no desire to breathe water through pharynginal gills, I'll leave that to my chordate anscestors and lancelets.
yes, I'm french from France. But I lived several years in Montreal before I came in New York. Montreal is a great place by the way, very liberal. Everybody's bilingual, I wish the 'anglo' would be closer to the 'french canadean' (the Canadea is the official name of Canada according to Jean Chretien, former PM who also used to strangulate his oponent) and that they don't see the Quebec separatism as a threat, but this is a minor problem.
(Out of topic: For young guys, with lots of hormones etc, i give you my opinion, I visited England, Germany, France, the US now, I think the quebecoises and montrealaises are the most gorgeous girls I've ever seen. And of course the beer there is the best. Well, to be fair, I remember a young french guy in Montreal who visited a Colorado university, he came back in shock: "wow wow, there are all top models there ").
back to the thread, gills are an idea of Eartfirst, not mine. But here is my opinion : in general, homo sapiens population evoluted and differentiated towards less specialization, not more. Our specie won't be successulf in water with gills, but with dive suits.
That was the mistake that KSR made in his trilogy. Because Mars is cold, he sees Nirgal, one of the main character of the story, with a special metabolism adapted to the cold.
If you think like that, you might as well imagine the martians covered with fur and going back to a neanderthal phenotype !
And by the way, if you believe in darwinism as the only evolutionary engine, you should expect to see these mutants NOW in the population. I believe that Lamarck's theory should be revisited and that now, we, homo sapiens, follow a lamarckian trend of evolution. You guys are biology educated obviously, so you know what said Lamarck right ?
Here is my personnal experience :
I have a PC, a cable connection that gives 24/24 h internet connection and Windose Me. I browsed internet, after about 1 year, the system declined, became unstable with a fatal crashed soon after. I used the 'factory recovery' first but soon after again the system, again became unstable, with some progs freeezing or not working anymore, culminating in a fatal, dead computer. No Hard drive recognized, etc. Decided to upgrade to Xp Home full, not upgrade, to start on a brand new system. After complete reformating and some data lost, the system ran fine for a while. This time a firewall was included, always with a cable connection to internet.
Since the system was healthy, decided to add some new hardware, graphic card, memory etc.
The system started to crash again. Three times I reinstalled Xp, with a call to Microsoft because it tracks the number of time you install Xp, they gave me a new key number, generously. I also figure out that the unstability was caused by a 250 Mb micron DDR ram. The ram caused random crashes with different programs and even forbid me to install properly Xp from the CD. After I figure that out and some data lost again, I did a complete clean reinstallation of Xp. That was about 1 year from the last reformating. But I had exhausted all my windose Xp home reinstallation capacity.
Since the system was now healthy, I decided to upgrade the hardware again, New Mother board (Gigabyte), new processor (athlon Xp 2400+), more memory and since I knew I was out of OS reserves, I bought Xp pro for a clean install. This time I had also 2 Hard drives , one with the OS (Xp pro) and the other with data.
haha, virus hackers haha ! 'bring them on !'
That was 6 months ago. Feb14, at the latest online Xp upgrade, I had a frozen screen and had to flip back the system to Feb 12. Reboot....disaster : no HD recognized at all....Boot Master failed...fatal error.
"Xp cannot reinstall, there is no HD on your system".
ggrrrrrrrr ! what do you do ?
Dickbill smart, he has a third HD in reserve with W2000 on it.
Pluged it, removed the DATA driver, reformat the driver with the OS, reinstall Xp pro on it (pfff, I was scarred by a messsage like "you have intalled windose 3 times, this is too much, buy a new one, bye bye")
Removed the HD with W2000 and put back the HD with data. Still, some data lost, like keys and password and pictures. Had to reisntall some softwares, took me the week end and surprise, surprise :
A folder named 52874hj3423j5hs7jgdHFa something like that was on my data HD, never seen that before. Access denied, cannot open it, cannot delete it. It's still there by the way. cannot even quarantine it with Norton antivirus. I guess it's a worm a trojan and that my computer has been hidjacked for a time. The folder was also probaly on the drive with the OS, but after complete refomatting, I guess it's gone. I won't reformat the DATA drive to get rid of of it becuase obviously I want to keep the data. But I could delete an executable inside the folder (I THINK it is deleted at least).
Anyway, after clean reformating of the drive with the OS, a brand new Norton antivirus pro + Norton personnal firewall, and my beloved cable connection to internet (through a router) the question is :
"How long before it crashes again and need a clean reformating ?"
If you think about it, this is all good for Microsoft, because after a time I wont be able to reinstall Xp, I will have either to buy a new one, or an upgrade. The fact that my problems arose during an online Xp upgrade also make me suspicious to turn "automatic upgrade" ON.
Cable connection to internet is fast, but obviously it is dangerous for the computer. I don't surf on dangerous sites believe me. No porn if this what you think. I got a lot of spam though. Deconnection to internet is not an option : you need internet now, for softawre upgrades etc.
But my opinion is that no matter what, firewall, antivirus etc, the system will be corrupted in about 1 year, at best, with a 24/24h connection to internet.
Since these fatal corruptions request clean Windose reinstallation, and if you are lucky enough that the first reinstall works, you might go with a legal copy of windose at best for 2 years, before you cannot legally install it again.
So, maybe Microsoft fights hackers, how hard I don't know, but I have the feeling that all these hackers are not so bad bussiness for Microsoft finally. What's your opinion ?
Your politics are, of course, incomprehensible (what can one expect of the French?) but at the same time your wit and intelligence are undeniable!
why's that, my politic is not clear ? probably because I don't obey the conventional political clivages, so I can be right wing on an issue, very liberal on another and french overall.
With Earthfirst you have a clear cut political program, it's Like : "Throw all the bacward countries of Europea that are not coll, like the frecnh, in the Atlnanic Oean that belongs to the USA, but not the brits who are coll and oby our orders "
yes you're right, gills come from embryonic branchial archs, that transform into ancestral jaw, ear bones or pharyngeal cartilages. Keeping these branchial archs fonctional as gills might not necessarily make you death however. We could imagine "duplicating" an embryonic branchial arch, one that doesn't transform in the above mentionated structures, so that it would keep differentiating into a gills without removing the ear or pharyngal functionalities.
So you could breath the O2 dissolved in the ocean of Ganamedie. But on Mars, and Arizona, doesn't help much.
In New York, as you mention, that could be useful for breathing in the East river or for a new fashion that would invade the world. Like top models with gills and fish brains.
But that's science fiction, what is not science fiction is what you said about the introns :
I was looking for a good antivirus software recently and I found McAffe Antivirus pro. (I actually bought the Norton for its data recovery functionalities) but look :
Mc Affe provides a new function called "sensitive data shreding" . In addition to spy and hacker monitoring, this function just does what it says, it shreds sensitive data, such as credit card numbers, password etc, into small packets spread on the HD. I think it's a different process and purpose that the fragmentation of files in the HD.
But isn't it the definition of exons for the DNA ?
I've heard that theory before that the DNA exon structure is actually a defense startegy against early transposons or other integrative foreign DNA that could otherwise hidjack a full gene functionality if they integrated in front of a full gene or promoter. By shreding the genes, retro-transposons/virus have less chance to inactivate the gene or hidjacking its functionality.
So, 3.8 billions years later, computer softwares re-invent that old stategy of shreding "sensitive data". amazing.
McAfee should follow and call its strategy the "Mcaffe Intron data security" : the exon/intron computer data structure that best fights worms, virus and other bad hidjackers.
(the word Intron sounds better than Exon for sale purpose, I think)
Maybe humans that have been genetical engered can live in water, and breath with gills, or people on mars that drink liqued O2 instead of breathing it.
People genetically engineered to live and drink water, that's a scarry idea.
I wouldn't like to be genetically enginered that way, would you ? well, that's probably not likely anyway, there is not enough water to drink for the great people of Arizona or it tastes strange and so, they prefer not to abuse it. That' a point they have in common with the french. But Here in New York, we have plenty of water believe me.
But the gills are a good idea. If I remember well my embryogenesis, we had gills already when we were floating in the amniotic fluid, at the pharyngula stage, though we didn't use them much. Maybe we could instruct the genetic program to keep these gills all along the embryogenesis until birth.
But no gills for martians, no way, thanks.
dickbill, read SohoBoy's last post. Nasa TV says so.
(As for why I thought so? Because I dabble a bit in 3D stuff in my spare time, and it looked like a 3D model - the edges are a big giveaway)
well, NASA's caption says:
"Original Caption Released with Image:
This sharp, high-resolution image shows a rock target dubbed "Robert E," on a rock called Stone Mountain at Meridiani Planum, Mars. It is one of the highest-resolution images ever taken while looking at a rock on another planet. Scientists are studying this area, which measures 3 centimeters (1.2 inches) across, for clues about how the rock formed. The image was created by merging five separate images taken at varying distances from the target by the microscopic imager, an instrument located on the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity's
instrument deployment device, or "arm". "
no reference to 3d mapping, they just talk about superimposing five 2D pictures...
but anyway, I'm not gonna fight forever on that issue. I am not convinced, that's it.
from Robert:
2.80% CO2
56% N2
33.2% Ar
2.7% O2
1.45% CO
0.62% H2O
The CO2 is still too high at 2.8%. On earth at 1tm, we have 0.035%, at lower pressure we can probably tolerate higher, though I don't know exactly how much. CO is definitively a poison which has to be removed.
I checked in PUBMED, apparently breathing O2/Ar argon mixture, called ARGOX is not toxic, at least in the short term. That might be an experience for the future, I mean the present sorry : putting rats or other animals in the low pressure atmospheres, prefrably one that would match a compressed martian air-based atmosphere. The goal of such experience is to see what would happen in the long term. Often, long duration experiments bring surprise.
The Mars Society sponsors the Mars Gravity Experiment, I guess they could sponsor such series of small experiments, if they don't already think about it.
But it's not a lit by any virtual light. It's just using a texture made from the various microscopic imager exposures. There is no "shading" involved. Being 3D does not imply virtial lights and shading. What they are doing here is analogous to what in the 3D community is called "baking a texture light map".
I understand that. But why is it so obvious that it's a 3d representation ?
The edges right ? they follow the topographic contour. But as I said before, for what I know, the microspcopic imager doesn't focus on objects, it just moves towards them, with the angle problem that I described. Objects directly in axis with the lense will have a change of distance but no angle, while objects off axis, meaning in the edge of the picture, will have a change of angle as well, that means that the superimposition of the pictures won't be nice on the edges. So I understand that NASA prefered to cut the edge artifacts.
Why they just didn't crop nicely a square, I don't know.
Do you have an information that suggest it's a 3d mapping ?
It's being billed as a composite of several exposures..
Apart from which, what would be the point of mapping a 2D image onto a 3D wireframe, and then saving out a 2D image which has exactly the same POV as the 2D original? all you end up with is a copy which has less information than the orginal image, not "A sharp look at Robert E'
If it's a composite of several pictures, it's possible that the edges in each picture didn't match exactly pixel by pixel, due to a slight different optical parallaxe on the edges, and because of that, they couldn't be superimposed without introducing a lot of blurring. The fact that the edges seem to follow the topography may be a result of that optical out-of-axis effect.
I think the camera doesn't focus like in a conventional camera, right ? instead, to focus, the arm holding the camera advances, doing so, the distance from the lense with the surrounding surface change, and so the angle changes. So the cutted edges that follow the topography just show that : high angle difference of the objects at the periphery depending of their distance, forbidding any proper superimposition and requesting to remove these blurry edges.
On the center however, the pixels of each picture, even if they show an out of focus area, could be superimposed, because the distance camera lense-object changes, but not much the angle.
And of course, the picture can be contrast enhanced.
But I don't think that it's a 3d representation either. The shades (shading ?) match completely in each picture. In a virtual 3d object, the lighting might be completely different and you see completely different shades unless you place a virtual source of light at the exact place that would give an exactly identical result with the original 2d picture.
I don't see an octopus by the way, I see a sea-star shape on the upper right corner of the .tif picture.
Let's face it, it's not a fossilized sea bed full of corals, it's volcanic ash compacted. Doesn't mean the search is over.
I lived in Europe most of my life, I never noticed all that water.
But anyway, of course we should colonize Europe. France first, then Germany then Maroc etc.
Evrything should be terraformed like in New York, big buildings, yellow cabs and cream cheese bagels for everybody. And no slow drivers.
I took it outdoors, and three times in the field the secondary mirror went out of collimation -- markedly so.
It's not a lot of fun trying to recollimate outdoors, with a red flashlight. The secondary mirror just would not stay put. ::shrugs:: I figure it was a mount problem within the assembly to begin with (the peripheral attachment to the spider brackets [correct name?] seemed fine; the attachment of the top of the secondary mirror to the inner tube assembly itself seemed the culprit).
Terrible. The problem with the secondary might be due to metallic dilatation due to temperature change, but still, this is a serious bad design.
I have to say that the new Meades are very cheap for the aperture, this might be good, this might also means everything has been designed with cheap materials...made cheaply, faster and surely not better, at the limit of the manufacture specification tolerance. You might have get a bad lot.
Cheap cheap cheap...
Meade and Celestron are serious telescope manufacturers, and I thought Orion too.
For a time I was attracted by the 10' Orion, but when you hear stories like that, you think it twice.
I received other mails from offcial MS members, and last year I was lucky enough to receive a letter with a poem from M. Zubrin, but that's about it. Ah, I forgot the acre ownership on Mars.
Now I would like to receive an offcial martian passport and the official martian citizenship and of course, more acres on Mars.
I'm not sure I'd want to try a Dobsonian make again, however -- too bulky and cumbersome; I'm holding out for a Meade or Celestron. Expensive, yes -- but compact and I like the fact that the eyepiece is situated at the bottom; easier hunting and viewing, IMO.
Yeah, I've been checking out some Meades on the web recently; those are some mighty fine scopes aren't they? Especially that 12" they have....lol...
It can be had for the low, low price of $4000...hehe. Oh well, it doesn't hurt to dream, does it?
Unless I move to a less light-polluted area, though, I'm sticking with my good 'ol 4" Astroscan...no sense in paying big bucks for something that you're not able to get full use out of... ???
B
*Yeah, I hear you Byron.
Actually, I'd prefer to have a Celestron 8". But we'll see.
In the meantime, I know (as do you) that Astroscan *performs*. It might be a humble little 'scope, but by god it's worth its weight in gold.
Wide, generous field of view...crisp, sharp images...easy portability...the secondary mirror stays put...
I really wish Edmund Scientific would put out a 6" Astroscan (if that would even be possible...I know absolutely nothing about optics and building scopes, etc.); I'd buy it right now.
--Cindy
Hi Cindy, Byron,
I read the reviews for the Meade schmidt-newtonian 12" f:4.
At this apperture and focal ratio it is extrabright. For deep field & astrophoto it would overclass completely a celestron8. For high magnification planetary observation, 'aperture rules', but the reviews and users said that the mount is barely able to sustain the tube and I would think that the celestron 8 would give more reliable, steady results.
But a 12" in that range of price around 1000$ is an incredible value. If you are interested in nebulae and galaxy, that the one you need.
About the refractors now. In my young time, I had a 3" refractor, and it was expensive. Now Meade and other propose 6" refractors under 1000$, amazing. If the collimation is still good when you receive the refractor. My guess again is that the 6" Meade refractor would give sharper images than even a 8" Schmidt Cassegrain.
By the way, your story Cindy is not rare, non-collimated mirrors at delivery request you to manually adjust the mirror, if you can. I even read some stories about decollimated lenses doublet in refractor. And long delay stories are common too.
Join the Mars Society and you too can get such e-mails sent to you directly.
Nope, I got nothing.
I am a MS member though, and for 2 years now.