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I am not a animal person, but a plant person. But I do know that on the earth it oceans ph vary greatly, for example earths oceans are really one big one. With currents running from the tropics to the poles on the surface, and cold water sinking at the poles and flowing towards the the tropics. Where the cold water upwells are very productive because cold water hold more o2 than warm and nutreints are sweap off the sea floor that came from the land. These currents are slow and are based on salt conc. and and density.
The PH of the oceans at the poles is mild acid so carbon is in a carbolic not carbonate from, at the upwelling zones and tropics the oh changes to very basic so the carbon srouce is carbonates. So much so that it become supersaturated and marine animals easly precp. it out to from shalls or coral reefs. But have you seen shelled animals in the norths sea, fresh water lakes? Yes of course there are, the animals find another srouce for Ca, and combine it the C to make carbonate for there shells. But not coral, there are no reefs north or south of the tropics of cancer or capircorn, to cold, ph off, and no carbonates. There are softh coral animals though. Another exmaple people live on land there seem to plenty of Ca for there bones other than carbonates.
CaSO4 is a major srource for plants, which we eat and get usable organic Ca to use in this case plants are a intermedate beween minerals and organic Ca. Mineral cycles on mars could be different in many ways depending on what kind of mineral froms of nutrients, like N, P, K is very important to plants. Mars has one big problem wheres all the N, because with out it there will be no life on mars no mater how much we warm it up. Any ways I think the probs should be looking for amoniasulfates, and other  salts because to me that is a bigger mystery than why there are no carbonates on mars, wheres the N salts is bigger!
Florida has large sulfate mines and is the main source of rock fertlizer for the us. The condiction that from the evaporate deposites could be a clues to what happened in the drying up of the mars oceans. They found lots of hemite, did they lot for other minerals like phosphate salts that contian N?
Maybe the next probs to mars will look for those minerals.

Sound, wave energy moves through denser thing faster. In space there no sound because there is no mater to pass the wave energy. So the more mater there is the faster sound can move because the atoms are closer together. Speed of sound is faster in water than air, like wise sound is fastist in solid rock. Fan you ever put your ear to a railroad track? if you did you can hear trains coming from miles away. Train robbers did this so there were ready to stop the train, they did not need a train times. It is just the basic property of sound, the speed of sound must really great in a nuetron star!
It is a good reason why the continental crust is thicker but less dense than oceanic crust. It would be a good thing is the land started to subduct under oceanic crust we would not have a home! Oceanic crust is made out of mafic basalt rocks that are dense and heavy, cont. are made out of lighter sedimentry, felsic, and metamorphic rocks. In plate tectonics when ocean plate and a cont. plate hit, the denser ocean plate subducts under the lighter cont. plate. The ocean plate melts because it has water in it, rises and comes out on the surface as volconas. It is called a continental volcanic arc. Examples are the Cascades, Andes, and Aeutin in Alsaka.

I just read "Booty Call Unforgiven" it is a story about how African American males realy like back. I think that the waynes brothers are gonig to make a movie out of it. Like booty call 1, the best movie of the 20th century. Not realy but I kid. I did read Rain of gold, Canery row that was good, one about small indian and cow boy coming to life in a magical box and key, wrinkle in time, Boxcar Kids, and others. Thats going back in time to grade school, I dont count text books but I read though western history, Bio book, and many others. Can you name all the book that you read though?

No I live in Phoenix AZ, Deer Valley.
I have been to Seattle once, it is an old style city. It is very compact, the Seattle Tecoma metro has 3.5 million people the same size of Valley of the Sun metro were I live. I was surprised by how small of a area it spread out. Phoenix is realy spread out compared to Seattle.
Also it is nice there in the summer, but most of the year it is a bad place. It is green, wet, and humid things that make me sick. When I was there all that green made my eye hurt, and sick. I was so happy when I got back to the great basin, give me brown, dust, and dry air! Thats why I like mars so much, it is one big desert world, putting green on mars would make me sick too.

Earthfirst will side with Earth of crouse, and the USA because I am a citzeen of the republic!
Those mars people need to be taught a lesson for shedding American blood!
Mars will turn even redder with marsin blood, No one can out Terr a Terrian!
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Their will be no Islamic empire, America wont let it happen.

I think that Bush will start to enforce the borders more, or maybe not?
Geting prolife judges onto the supreme crout will be a major victory for bush.
Reforming of the tax system, flat tax, national sales tax, no federal taxes. Instead force other countries to pay us money to not invade them, lots of nation did that in the past.
Also making missile defense, to protects use from china, north korea.
Bush has a big job ahead of him, will make good on his word.

Mormons can only have one wife, one male to one female. Mormons stop multiple wifes when ferderal government forced them too. Now only separte sects pratice multiply marriges, they live in Colorado city Arizona, mexico, and other places.
It is a big joke in Arizona because people make fun of mormons and Utah for having multiply wifes. But most of the mormons that have mult. wifes live in Arizona. Arizona Governor a democrate liberal woman has done nothing to stop it, she for woman rights but just not right now.  :laugh:
There are no Gay Mormons, any Mormon found to be a homosexual is sent to a reeducation camp in Mexico, were they are cured. Or stoned, hang, wiped, to death, this is a well kown fate of many homosexual mormons, usualy they they go by their own free will. Because it is seen as a mental disorder, sin before God, that if not cured they will never get to go to heaven with their family. If not cured excommuncation with the family and all other members of the church. Gay to mormons is not takin lightly, so dont make fun.
There are many mormons that wont go to hevean because the devil has made them mentally insane with gay. Just ask any Mormon and you will get the same answer.
As a Luthern I don't think your sexualty sould define you, to me no one is gay, homosexualy, bi sexual, or bestlover. All that is nonsense, you are a human. If you are male you inpregnate female humans, female are inprenated and have childern. Humping or loving things that wont make kids is evolutionary dead end. All that matters is that you pass on your genes, any way you can do that is evolutionary right. Their is no right or wrong when it comes to life any goes to life and pass on DNA. Getting away from that is mental insane, because it is counter productive. Drawn rules my vaules, look at the animal kingdom. Do lower life froms waste in deceding their sexualty, no!
Moral degenerates liberals in my view are insane, in their mind the prevert everthing so far that it losses it meaning, function, and Holyness.

Solanum tuberosum are good at feeding large amounts of people when you have limited land to work with. For that matter all the stracy stables are great, Manioc Esculenta, Dioscorea spp, Ipomaea batatas, Colocasia Esculenta. These strachy stables provide a lot of food but many of them are lacking in vietmens. But Dioscorea spp does have vietmen A.
Better solontion would be to add genes to your food crop that would make the lacking vietmens. Example Golden rice genes from daffadills were add to rice that make the recursor of vietmen A. Also their are all ready nutriently advanded crops right now that people dont eat, like Tritcales Rye X Bread wheat. Tricales make great bread but have the extra protiens and vietmens that ryes have. But Tricales are mostly grown for animal feed.
Gm plants coupled with growth system that uses all the plant parts would work well to feed people, a cycle. For example Strachy stables and grains are grown in a field that get irragated from a fish pond. Fish eat the plant part people cant like stems and leave, fish return wastes to plants though irragation. People return waste to plants with rice swamp that fliters water.
Closed system, all mater is conserved and recycled though the systems animals. That means peoples waste most be returned too. Just in real life, That poo will become a sandwich then back to poo, ant life wonderful, the co2 you breath out at one time was part of an organic molcule of another animal or plant. So dont bashful of the mess you leave, embrace it because some day it will become a butter fky, or another person. :;):

Victory is mine! You are under the control of our great leader Bush and Dick. To the people in the blue states please report to the reeducation camps as soon as possible. You will enjoy arts and crafths "making wallets", Exterme sports "forced to mine gold in the sub artic, spa treatments "tested on by the corperate drug companys. Last great shows "forced to wacth so you cant colse your eye lids, hours of Nasacar racing. The hypnotic like racing will get cure you of PC. Top off with beer and sunday prys, that the first day.
"We dont like will and grace, and you will too."
For the hard core blue people like Mechael More hanging will cure them for good. Other activites will include whiping, baseball, and a all you can eat meat bar for Peta, vegians, and greenpeace. Made from wood from an old growth redwood forest. Whale and baby seal will be the main crouse, with sides of pork, beef, and some dogs. With fur napkins from endangered aniumals.
For the ACLU ers their tounges will be cut out, and forced to live in the sanitational ducts.
Finally Hilary Clinton will be lock in a room with Bill Clinton, who ever lives thourgh the night gets to be king of the liberals. Two men enter, one man leaves that the thu8nder Dome. Any blue people who dont show up for reeducation will be banished to Cannada for all time, death is preferd to that. So the Bush red people will let you die if you rather not be forced to live in such a bad country. Also woman will be free of voting since it just confused them any ways.
Bush new plan for America sound great, I hope all those blue state people enjoy their vaction too reeducation campe.
Just joking, but the election really tell us how much the cluture war has divided our nation. I hope liberals and conservitives will work together for whats best for all America, we can fight after we have won the war on Terr.  :up:

My dad 62, Iam 21, I dont know a lot of old people over 35 besides my parents. But every one gets old in time so it does not realy matter how old you are, but how you live.

You folks are dreaming, bush will win by a wide margin tomarrow. At my local batist church every one was prying for a Bush victory, then we burned pictures of Kerry in a large bond fire. It was very pretty, it reminded me of all those book, cd, and french flag burnings of sunday school. Ah theres nothing like signing songs to the light of a bond fire of Mechial More moves, or Clintons books. I diegress as a wise man once said, no one likes a word smith. Bush will much more than the 270 votes needed, then we can all thank God for saving us from that monster wife of Kerry Thersta or what ever that no good boar name is.
I bet .01$ that budh will win

Yes that is all very fun to think about, will humans race live on far into time. Or will burn out like a canndle in the wind? Or will we blow up like an articial sun.
But my point was not weather Humans will be around in 4 billion years. It was that the live zone or habital zone as human centric people put will move farther out. All the way to Neptune and the KB planets. For as long as 100 million years our sun will be a stable red gaint. I was thinking could live get started and evolve on these new water worlds. Or will humans have all ready terraformed them, and imported native terra life forms? Also should we move inner plants out of the reach of the red gaint sun to save them.
If there are human there are not does not mater, but life does. For example Europa might have life, when the ice melts life will have a chance to evolve and spreed.
Think out side the Human life, and a whole new universe opens up for you.