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Yup. The UN has been broke for a long time. And since 2001 any hope of fixing it has been thrown away.
But lets ignore the United Nations. To solve the problem of the poor Sudanese we need to confront the Chinese not Kofi Annan.
UN bashing allows us the hypocritical position of "pretending" to care about genocide while avoiding the real confrontation needed to protect the victims. Like I said earlier. Hypocritical.
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I think the hostility toward the idea of the UN is rather irrational.
*Really? :laugh: You're kidding, right?
It's irrational to be hostile towards an entity which takes a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" approach to 70,000 human beings slaughtered like cattle because of their skin color?
Gee whiz. Frankly I find that position irrational.
--Cindy
P.S.: And if what you meant by "the idea of the UN" as in a workable UN which looks out for the weak, the poor, the helpless...I'd agree. But that's not what the UN is doing.
P.S.: And if what you meant by "the idea of the UN" as in a workable UN which looks out for the weak, the poor, the helpless...I'd agree. But that's not what the UN is doing.
No because Bush means "obey" when he says "cooperate."
At best, the United Nations is a work in progress to achieve the foregoing objective. There are many flaws that would have needed correction in any event.
However the United States seeks only a compliant United Nations and since that did not develop, lets just terminante the whole arrangement. Save us all a whole lot of wasted breath. :;):
Now, considering countries like the United States, Britain, and Australia etc. have stepped up to the plate and done the right thing, even in the face of the mindless loud protesting of the amoral Left, perhaps it's time for the U.N. to put its honour where its hypocrisy is and insist on French, German and Russian troops on the ground in Sudan. Hell, let's get Chinese troops in there, too!
I am pretty sure that you could get French troops to support an intervention in Sudan, though I am not sure about the Germans or the Russians. The Chinese already have troops in Sudan, the problem is that they are sort of on the wrong side. That is the reason why it is so hard for the UN to do anything about the situation.
Heh! Good point.
I think the hostility toward the idea of the UN is rather irrational. This feeling is well beyond what the Bush administration publicly advocates. It's an extreme minority opinion, even in the United States, which is itself quite a ways off the spectrum of the industrialized world in all sorts of ways, both in opinion and in actual structure.
(a) I agree.
(b) The above is irrelevant because the Bush Administration's actions (contrary to public statements) have already made it perfectly clear that the United Nations is irrelevant.
Why is the UN irrelevant as we enter 2005? I could argue for weeks with others here but such an argument is pointless. :;):
The minority you speak of has won within this Administration and therefore the UN is dead for all practical purposes and we must look to the underlying power politics involving the EU, China, Russia, India etc. . .
And every major power - - except perhaps Japan - - has within the last 60 days taken actions to support the current regime in Tehran.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/featur … r.html]The draft - - now lets see if we can have an honest national debate on why we need this.
As for the United Nations and the rest of the world, I point to this, ignoring the UN:
Bush goes to Europe and meets with Putin. Immediately afterward, Russia confirms a deal to sell the fuel Iran needs to start up its 1000MW nuclear plant and the EU passes a resolution to approve the deal.
China's interests are materially harmed by the US tipping over the Tehran regime, and India just signed a huge new petrochemical deal with the current Iranian regime.
(I see an outside chance that before June Russia and China supply Iran with advanced air defense capabilities and a more remote chance that China gives Iran a couple of nukes but finds a way for North Korea to take the blame.)
The US, Britain and Australia (sans Canada, by the way) can go about doing the right thing all we want. But, we are horribly outnumbered by the rest of the world. Korea just agreed to join Galileo, which is a French scheme to counter US supremacy arising from GPS.
So, we are looking to fight WW2 again except we add France, Russia & China to the Axis side and Japan goes neutral. US, UK & Australia versus the freaking world with Canada saying "Uh, guys, we are not so sure about this. . ."
I just think all that is rather imprudent.
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As for the UN being granted an army, the idea scares the hell out of me. If a disagreeable idiot child is thrashing around and yelling at you, you don't hand it a gun. By the same token you don't give an army to a corrupt and incompetent international debate club with delusions of grandeur.
I agree, of course. So stop all this UN whining. :;):
The UN is a puppet of the member states. Even more so today. It has NO army, so to blame the UN for Sudan is really rather ridiculous. Lets look to the underlying member states and the underlying power politics.
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Abandon the United Nations?
Done. I agree.
Now what?
Cindy,
"WE" are the United Nations. It has no army.
Which nation should contribute troops?
*Have a certain percentage of troops taken from every member nation who has a standing army. If any member of the UN with a standing army refuses to comply, penalize them. Otherwise, I don't know.
--Cindy
Okay then, suppose I agree with you. Make a new rule, member nations MUST comply with UN calls for troops or be penalized.
The US also? If Kofi Annan says send US troops, here or there, do we do it?
Who is the commanding general?
Cindy,
"WE" are the United Nations. It has no army.
Which nation should contribute troops?
Or, if we wish the UN to follow us into Sudan, what nation should send troops to supplement 50,000 US soldiers?
Even 20,000 US soldiers plus 2,000 Brits & Aussies and some Indians and Pakistanis would do some good.
We do need to deploy US forces to Sudan for two reasons. (a) End the horrific violence and (b) deny al Qaeda another failed state, like Afghanistan, to base their operations in.
But here is my objection to the hypocrisy of many of the foregoing posters - - it is more important to you to bash the UN than to seek a genuine solution - - which can only involve the deployment of US troops. And for that we need a draft.
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Never forget, I have never denied that Saddam regime change was good.
My criticism has been the Bush desire to do it on the cheap, with too few soldiers and too little financial investment and to stick his middle finger in thr world's face while we did it.
Sorry Ian, for being snarky.
The wing-nuts have got me in a mood. ???
Wing-nuts only spin right, ya' know. :;):
Ian, don't you remember the SS1 video tape?
The pilot tossed a bunch of M&Ms in the air while they were at zero-gee. Kinda stupid, what if one got jammed in an instrument, or something.
Anyway, Volvo pretty much did the golden ticket thing at the Super Bowl, right?
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I agree with everyone. US out of the United Nations, now!
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PS - - Like the proverbial dog chasing the bus, be very caerful what you pray for. :;):
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A single simulated moonrise (perhaps retrograde?) shouldn't be too hard to accomplish.
Watching a dim full "moon" rise up from the western edge of the Pacific Ocean would be a heck of a way to gain the attention of nearly every person living in Los Angeles and San Diego and San Francisco.
Beyond mere spectacle, however, I see little practical application.
Sounds like a http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id … rt=0]crazy idea - - orbit a constellation of reflective inflatable mirrors and focus sunlight on a football field during nighttime.
You would need a constellation of mirror sats lined up to allow the lighting needs to be passed from sat to sat as time elapsed.
Might make a wacky publicity stunt =IF= you could rapidly focus and re-shape the inflatable lenses in real time. A cluster of reflectors feeding a parabolic mirror might work to simulate a full moon. Use gossamer spacecraft and the launch weights would be modest.
Hmmm. . .
Remember the movie 2010 where computer graphics were used to simulate two suns shining on Earth?
Maybe Hollywood would pay for a second "moon-rise" - - not for filming purposes, CGI would be cheaper but for a real life PR stunt.
Humanity watches two moons rise - - side by side - - on April 17th to correspond with the release of that new sci-fi epic.
http://www.gsusignal.com/vnews/display. … 77134]Link
Discuss amongst ourselves.
Awesome quote, btw:
“You read those books where luxury comes as a guest to take a slave…Books where artists in noble poverty go like virgins to the grave.” – Joni Mitchell
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I'm curious as to why you can dismiss the possibilty.
Any answer typed here must be superficial. That said, what comes first to mind is how he willfully abuses language to distort truth is a top contender. A shameless disregard for truth.
Democrats lie and are usually embarrassed when caught.
The whole Swift Boat thing left me with a deep emotional disgust. Bush said in public "I honor Kerry's service" and allowed his backers to funnel millions into the anti-Kerry smear campaign. A serious escalation of unscrupulous political rhetoric.
Had Bush had the courage to say with his own lips, "I believe John Kerry does not deserve his Vietnam medals" I would have far more respect for Bush.
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On the Kos diary, what are the odds a similar Democratic diary would be deleted from Free Republic within 30 minutes? Or less? The odds approach 100% IMHO.
Here is an interesting http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/26 … 840]thread that seeks genuine Left/Right dialouge.
Some on the comments are harsh yet the overall tone appears remarkably civil, IMHO.
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Nope, I do not believe this:
"Maybe he actually believes that what he's doing is in the best interests of this country."
Bush 41? Yup, he wanted to do the right things for America. Even Reagan did. But not Bush 43.
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My rage at George W. Bush arises from my perception that he has cynically manipulated 9/11 to benefit his private agenda.
Is a politician's manipulating of events cynical, or a citizen's outrage at it merely naive? Is one man's "manipulation" possibly another's reasonable course of action for the common good.
In general I agree with you.
As for my specific rage over the Rove-ian handling of 9/11, I make reference to my usual practice of being even tempered and moderate on the vast majority of issues.
If "I" believe the Bush handling of 9/11 is analagous to Marc Antony waving Ceasar's bloody cloak (from Shakespeare) - - in order to practice demagoguery - - that suggests to me this is an extreme case. :;):
I believe Americans should adopt a Musketeers attitude, all for one and one for all, since we will need it in the decades to come.
We already do for the most part when threatened from abroad, the immediate aftermath of 9/11 being a case in point. But internal conflicts are a whole different matter. We always have and will continue to have bitter divisions about domestic issues. We simply need frontiers to escape to, not some all-encompassing compromise or "meta-narrative". Just someplace to go if you don't want to put up with it.
My rage at George W. Bush arises from my perception that he has cynically manipulated 9/11 to benefit his private agenda.
Like I said once before. we need to discern an incoming alien invasion fleet, scheduled to arrive in about 30 or 40 years. Failing that, we need a meta-narrative, a uniting storyline that transcends the current partisan agendas.
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Part of America's problem is that the world is becoming increasingly globalized, we are but 5% of total world population, and we have a tradition of one person = one vote.
I believe Americans should adopt a Musketeers attitude, all for one and one for all, since we will need it in the decades to come.
What, you guys have guns now? :;):
Guns? Who needs guns?
My mission is to engage the 10st Keyboard-ists in intarweb conflict and keep 'em pinned down long enough so they forget to pay the electric bill.
And. as you yourself said, Cobra, Americans cannot function without air conditioning.
Since the Bush social security "proposal" is nothing more than political manuevering (and since he as zero track record of negotiation or good faith compromise) we have stalemate.
Deadlock. So be it.
Actually, I can agree to #2 and #4 with little objection:
I believe that we have to take these steps:
1) An independant review of every department's practices with a focus on improving efficiency and a 5% reduction in federal workers gained through attrition.
2) A 4% increase in income taxes plus a 5 cent federal increase applied to both alcohol and cigarettes. All of this must go toward balancing the budget and paying down the national debt.
3) An efficiency program instituted for the military. Unit commanders who return money to the general fund while still accomplishing their mission and maintain morale get better proficiency reports.
4) Cut the funding to most of the programs cited by the Citizens Against Governmental Waste.
#4? I am not sufficiently familiar with that group so I offer no opinion.
#1? Depends on who does the independent review. :;):
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The war on terror, in Iraq, and the problem social security have put us in a position where we cannot trim spending at the moment but in the future we will because, we have to.
Iraq was an imprudent war the neo-cons asserted would be paid for with Iraqi oil revenues. Remember that?
Saddam being gone is a good thing. Had we given Sistani the keys to Iraq 16 months ago and by-passed Garner, Bremer, Chalabi and Allawi, Iraq would be a better place today.
But we also need to budget the actual costs of having done Iraqi regime change. That is a legitmate reason to re-visit the tax cut pledge.
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Social security demolition is NOT necessary. Medicare is a far more pressing problem. To say we must do radical surgery on social security NOW is like saying we need a new kitchen at a time when the roof is leaking.
Social security reform (GOP style) is an oxymoron. FDR hatred is the real agenda and my advice to Democrats is to firmly and consistently say Social Security just ain't broke. Nothing to discuss, subject closed.
If the GOP passes Social Security demolition without Democratic votes HAMMER every GOP Representative and Senator up for election in 2006.
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As for spin, after Jeff Gannon (major league spin) nothing I write gets beyond the 6 year old tee ball league.
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Cutting taxes? Okay, that was the Bush platform but by how much? IIRC, it was the Goldilocks formula. He (and only he) knew how much of a cut was too much and how much was too little and how much was "just right" :;):
Personally, I would love to see a cut in the employee share of the FICA tax and an increase in the top tier income tax (1040) with a net reduction in overall taxation. This would funnel money to people who would spend it rather than invest it in euro demoninated mutual funds. :;):
In the abstract, lower taxes are good however rising interest rates from dollar devaluation offset the benefit of lower taxes. Deficits also cause (a) inflation & (b) higher interest rates.
Higher oil prices also offset the benefit of lower taxes. This is best solved by doing everything possible to leave behind the petroleum era ASAP.
Finally, I do believe that the bell curve of income and wealth distribution is a legitimate societal concern. Massively increasing concentration of wealth in the top 1/10th of 1% with stagnation or reduced wealth for the remaining 99.9% will - - IMHO - - be very bad for the long term societal health of our nation.