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phobos, would 20 tonnes be enough to support a mars direct launch?  i dont remember the number he gave for weight, and im too tired to look it up again 

The only thing i disagree with you on, cal, is that based on the democratic system, bush shouldnt be in office.  gore got more votes.  because of an antiquated, elitist system, he squeezed in.  the electoral college should be abolished.

why does that not surprise me?

alright, ive rethought the idea after reading about the orion ships. 

say we've got an orion class mining ship out in the asteroid belt, running on nuclear pulse engines.  could we build ships with huge cargo capabilities to dock with the mining ships every few months, and deliver cargo back and forth between mars and the asteroid belt?  or would the ship have to come back every time it had to deliver payloads?

an interesting bunch of points.  however, the bible is merely a book.  if we took every religious book and said it was the short road to finding god, we'd come out with nothing, because there are so many different answers to what god is.  you may believe the bible tells us what god is, and thats fine.  but you cant assume that because you believe that...i dont know how to phrase it...theory (sounds pretty harsh, but i dont mean it offensively), that its the only plausible answer.

it is possible to say that god is the universe.  in that case, god is not something to be worshipped, but observed.  should we worship the earth as a divine being as well? 

i am in no way bashing any religion.  i am just pointing out that nothing in our current understanding is solid, uncontestable fact.  especially since the bible was written a good time after jesus died, and LONG after the supposed creation of the world, and adam and eve.

in my mind, the bible should be perceived the same way we perceive much of early A.D. science.  The bible presented the beliefs and explanations of people at the time it was written.  They didnt have telescopes back then, and they believed the world was flat, the sky was made of crystals, and the earth was the center of the universe.  surely, we can't say they were primitive people, and then embrace the bible as pure fact.  the bible had to be written by somebody.  much the same as the torah, or koran.  and the bible is partially founded on the writings in the torah...so you are relying on those fundamental truths as well.

This would be safer, cleaner, and produce more power than your average fission plant?

and what are your military credentials?

as many people have said, american officials like to spread misinformation. 

our first death toll estimate for wtc was over 10,000.  obviously, that was quite a bit high.  and dont tell me about casualties of war.  im not saying i support the war, im saying on a strategiclal standpoint, our major military officials have all said, that i have seen, from credible sources, that this war will be just as easy.

its easy to find a source online that says that X said this about that. thats why i prefer to get my information from real sources i can trust.

clark, dont hold your breath.

Alt, once we had the city surrounded, i dont think we'd have to chase anybody in.  A few pinpoint raids, which we are very capable of, could do the trick.  We hit a guy in his truck in yemen, remember?

im not talking about natural rights.  im talking about the rights given to taxpayers...room and board among them, education, etc.

My grandparents immigrated from germany.  somehow they managed to do it legally, and were american citizens within a few years.

its funny how people who like to wield the law in some situations forget it in others.  why?  because we feel bad for them?  if they were germans, or russians, or mexicans, or whatever, i would feel no differently. 

mexicans are detained every day for illegal immigrancy.  wheres this righteous rage against those immigration policies?  no, its because a few people want to exploit a situation to make our government look bad.  yes, there are other ways to go about it...but they still broke the law, cut and dry.  stop ignoring that.

if they had brought proof they had sought visas, they would probably be legally immune to detention.

go through the poorer areas of cuba and see how much support castro has.