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If I understand correctly the 70kg (on Earth or Mars?) demonstrator produces 24kg of lift. However, it's a lighter-than-air vehicle, so the excess lift can be used to accelerate or change altitude. Is that correct? Any estimate on achievable flight speeds?
Their example aerobot has 70 kg vehicle mass and 64 kg payload, on Mars at mean surface level. Ceiling +2 km, max speed 5 m/s.
Has anyone here contemplated Elon Musk's proposal of bringing settlers to mars 100 at a batch...? I would expect there to be a 3 year supply of food on hand, which calculates to 547,500 pounds of food. Add in the base building advance party of maybe 20 to 50 workers, there's another supply/logistics problem of having 273,750 more pounds stockpiled. His interplanetary transport system is going to be busy bringing food...
Well, 30 tons of MREs can get a 100-man crew through 500 days of greenhouse construction, assuming robotics/telerobotics do most of the heavy lifting. The boring menu would motivate the crew to get the greenhouse ice cream factory up and running asap.
Bullet Time
A greenhouse must be transparent. I suggest PCTFE film, sold under the brand name Clarus, made by Honneywell. It's a fluoropolymer film.
Cool. Clarus is a great cryogenic polymer.
I see that PCTFE is used in coatings and containers, but I haven't seen it used as a suspended architectural fabric. Can you help locate examples? Or is there some limitation of PCTFE that makes ETFE preferable for greenhouse architecture?
Note: micrometeorites don't reach Mars surface. Regular meteorites will, but micrometeoroids burn up in Mars atmosphere. The burn up about 30km above the surface. On Earth they burn up about 100km above the surface. How deep into the atmosphere depends how large the meteoroid. So an inflatable habitat on Mars doesn't need the micrometeoroid shield of BEAM.
Right, but micrometeorites scale only to 2 mm. I was focused on the cm-scale iron meteorites, which do penetrate the atmosphere and impact at the speed of... well, of bullets. That flux is uncertain at present. Greenhouse "bullet protection" is needed unless/until the bullet flux is found to be too slight to worry about.
That seems to be massive overkill, and designed for deep space use. I would expect that the polymer films would be considerably lighter and thinner. The greenhouses would not need to be at 1 atm. pressure, either. We need a transparent southern exposure, if the greenhouses are optimally situated. I've calculated the area of both the hemi-cylinder and 2 hemispherical walled ends at 4907meters^2., and a heavy polymer construction at 5 kg/ meter^2. Yes, this is pretty heavy: 24,539 kg. I've estimated on the high side for the weight of the structure, and depends on the wall thickness and any Kevlar reinforcements for strips at edges of the joints.
That's... 1 kg/m3? Vastly superior to ISS BEAM. How do your material properties and layerings compare with BEAM?
The martian surface presents saltation abrasion, hard UV, electrical discharge, corrosive salts and an uncertain flux of cm-scale iron meteorite bullets. Maybe you've accounted for these and other problems, but you'd want to be sure your greenhouse could survive them.

Lake Matthew Team-Cole wrote:What structural mass per m3 do you estimate for your quonset-style greenhouse? For comparison, an LMT 300-m water-roof dome is notionally a modular titanium polygon / ETFE foil cushion structure. That structure (including anchoring system) comes in around 0.1 kg/m3.
I haven't done any calculations, and am assuming the early greenhouses will be inflatables brought from Earth. Later on, they will be from locally produced Polycarbonate and/or ABS plastics.
Well, the ISS BEAM inflatable comes in around 90 kg/m3. That is, 1000x the mass per m3. Just for comparison.
Most of the concepts I'm presenting here are based on the "KISS" principle...
A good principle, that.
I really like Rob's concept of long and skinny greenhouses similar in concept to Quonset Huts...
What structural mass per m3 do you estimate for your quonset-style greenhouse? For comparison, an LMT 300-m water-roof dome is notionally a modular titanium polygon / ETFE foil cushion structure. That structure (including anchoring system) comes in around 0.1 kg/m3.
Milliferanauts
Another species we need to consider introducing in each of these greenhouses is honey bees.
A keystone species, surely. And actually they adapt to spaceflight very well. (STS-41C beehive video at 8:00.)
In conclusion, the bees in the orbiter BEM fared quite well in outer space, managing by mission's end to adapt perfectly to microgravity. The crew noted in the log book that "...by Day 7, comb well developed, bees seemed to adapt to 0-g pretty well. No longer trying to fly against top of box. Many actually fly from place to place." This adaptation may indicate a certain "learning" capacity on the part of the bees.
Milliferanauts are ready when we are.

Lake Matthew Team - Cole, I really need to say thank you for posting to the many topics and welcome to NewMars...
Well hi, and thanks for running things. Sane forum.
Fertilizer Delivery
I had also argued for soil agriculture instead of hydroponics. The reason is hydroponics requires liquid nutrients. Where do those come from? Yes, hydroponics can produce more from a given crop area, but what does it take to produce those liquid nutrients?
Well, the methods of a previous post might help. For example, the notional plasma nitrate plant gives nitrate in solution. It should be a very energy-efficient way to make a liquid N fertilizer, far more efficient than ammonia and/or ammonium nitrate production, to best of my knowledge.
As for delivery:
One might attempt automated "garden printing". That is, one could install an automated pump-grid network on the ceiling, with a sprayer at each node. Each sprayer covers a garden sector. An IoT soil sensor is planted below each sprayer. When a sensor detects a soil imbalance, a custom fertilizer solution is calculated, measured out, and routed through the pump-grid, to the sprayer overhead.
Conceptually it's a bit like a stationary print head. CLICKETY-CLICKETY-PUMP-PUMP-PUMP. Liquid fertilizer delivered.
Scaling (e.g. Ca/Mg scaling) within the grid pipes could be a problem. One fix: deliver that fertilizer as dry pellets, perhaps taking a page from Amazon delivery and drone-dropping it. The drone circles the soil sensor while pouring pellets through its rotors. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRWHUP. Solid fertilizer delivered.
Re: substrate:
This gardening scheme assumes no appreciable nutrients in the planting substrate itself (for simplicity and safety). Therefore it's a hydroponic scheme, where the substrate is inert and ideally pH-neutral. One possible source of such a substrate would be rinsed sand, perhaps augmented with a little shredded compost matter for water retention.
Max Yield
What we should be concentrating on for crops is a set of products which have very short times from planting to maturity, combined with maximum caloric and vitamin output. There are lots of books about farming for survival that indicate the most efficient crops for the colony situation. Turnips are a quick crop. Root crops can be co-planted alongside taller crops to make maximum use of the space available. Radishes, beets, and carrots are good sources of essential vitamins, in addition to providing taste variety. Swiss chard is a heavy producer, and is semi-perennial. The turnip greens are also a decent food. Look into short growing season hybrids developed for use in the northern tier of states and Canada. Vine squashes can be planted in conjunction with other crops too. Every square centimeter needs to be productive, both above ground and below ground. Add in sweet potatoes in place of white potatoes for variety and vitamin A production.
Sounds good. Given the expense and difficulty of constructing greenhouse space, superb crops are needed, with careful co-planting for efficient use of space, and many other tweaks for max yield.
Chard is good, yes. Turnips are yucky.
In one exercise I roughed out an intensive garden, augmented with prawn-and-tilapia aquaculture. Scale: 8 acres of garden, 1 acre of aquaculture. Location: 40 South. Lighting: 60% PPF light transmission, for 9 months of useful sunlight per Mars year, plus LEDs. LED supplement and extended growing seasons notionally match yields to terrestrial garden yields (with exception of wheat, per above).
In this scheme the garden and aquaculture produce roughly 210 million calories per Mars year: self-sufficiency for an initial crew of 100.
The plots: (link to full-res image)
I didn't attempt a Perfect Day / Thrive synthetic dairy plant in that scheme, because I can't quantify the plant's yield. I imagine it could boost calorie production significantly.
Can you recommend some other breakout crops or methods, to make big improvements in yield? E.g., some especially short-season (<60d) hybrids?
Scaling for Self-Sufficiency
Lets say the greenhouse size max is only the 50 sq. m in size that we could bring on a first mission...
Understood. 50 m2 would limit the menu, and portions.
Only, the Lake Matthew Team has a larger, self-sufficient greenhouse in mind, for that same first mission.

Habitat rough geometry, as enabled by Lake Matthew micro-environment.
Subaqueous dome, 300m scale.
Ferment and Fertilizer
The key ingredient in cheese is casein. It's milk protein. If someone has made genetically modified yeast to produce it, then there are already processes to make every major type of cheese from it.
Right, that's what the Buttercup GM yeast does. Then once it outputs the casein protein, normal dairy processes make cheese and other tasty products.
I don't know Buttercup yield, the factor that determines viability for a small greenhouse plant. I'd expect yield to be excellent - after all, it's an optimized commercial GM fermentation process - but I don't have a number yet.
Minerals: humans can metabolize calcite as source of calcium...
...humans also require magnesium for bone.
We explored in situ production of calcium, magnesium and other nutrients as bulk fertilizer, at the NasaSpaceFlight forum. One tech that seemed to meet the need for calcium and magnesium fertilizer was the Calera CO2 sequestration process, aka ABLE: Alkalinity Based on Low Energy. It's a commercial process that efficiently extracts calcium and magnesium cations from basalt - a rock which is of course abundant on Mars.
Alternately, a Zero Liquid Discharge (ZLD) plant could also extract those cations from brine, as part of the standard ZLD precipitation sequence:
1. iron via oxidation & pH increase
2. magnesium via pH increase
3. calcium and phosphorous via pH decrease, then alkaline agent
4. potassium via temperature decrease
Additional potassium and phosphorus could be recovered from stalk-and-greens composting, which would also provide free heat for the Calera reactor.
Nitrate can also be produced efficiently in the greenhouse. As envisioned, a nitrogen gas-separation membrane is coupled to a small plasma nitrate production plant.
Other methods could be used of course, and you've broached some others in forum. I just note that these particular ISRU methods could likely produce, altogether and efficiently, over 90% of the fertilizer required for a hydroponic greenhouse. That's significant only because fertilizer tonnage would be very expensive if shipped as cargo, or else very hard-won if recovered through complex ECLSS waste reprocessing.
Milk Without Cows
The reason for transporting calves instead of adult cattle, is it reduce launch mass. But the first herd would have to be calves weaned from milk, because there won't be any milk for the first ones.
Actually, there's a workaround for milk. The Perfect Day animal-free dairy process is a traditional fermentation process, yeast on sugar, which seems suitable for a greenhouse. Its Buttercup GM yeast produces the milk proteins, then the process adds sugar and "plant fats, vitamins and minerals" for the final milk product.
Vitamins and minerals can be shipped as minor cargo. The sugar can be obtained very efficiently from beets. The "plant fats" can be merely monounsaturated fats from algae, such as Thrive Culinary Algae Oil. Given that algae is an efficient oil producer, the Thrive algae oil could be produced in greenhouse algae tanks, alongside the Perfect Day yeast fermentation tanks.

True dairy products, without cows. Very useful!
Estimation
It would be interesting to estimate the calorie production rate, in a greenhouse synthetic dairy-and-fat "cottage industry" plant. However I don't yet know enough about the Perfect Day and Thrive processes to attempt the estimate. Are there any useful manufacturing details in the public domain?
It's important to note that Wheat is a C3 crop, so yields are significantly limited by the availability of CO2. In a Martian greenhouse, that's not going to be the limiting factor.
Yes, and they noted that CO2 enrichment "makes a slightly higher maximum [photosynthetic] efficiency possible". They noted some other mods that might also boost yield beyond their own:
- raising planting density (e.g., from 2000 to 4000 plants/m2)
- optimizing hydroponic water potential and hydroponic root-zone environment
- balanced nutrient uptake
- longer photoperiod for increased nitrogen assimilation
- and of course, higher PPF. The published figures present yields that have not yet plateaued even at the highest experimental PPF (150 mol/m2d).
See Fig. 8 for the growth rate that's "potentially achievable". Clearly there's room for improvement, and some methods for attempting improvement. And who knows, combining these methods with focused genetic engineering might lift growth rate beyond the rate that was potentially achievable back in 1988. 100 million calories per acre might not be possible, but it's not obviously impossible.
Watergate
How about a water filled airlock... To get out, you don your space suit, enter the water on the high pressure side (which has a shallow column) walk down to the u-bend and ascend a set of steps some 10m high before emerging from the water.
Yes, if the suit is designed to deal with wetting and evaporation / freezing problems, such a "watergate" could be a great convenience and time-saver for the crew.
Maintaining an open water surface is easiest at lowest elevations, where air pressure allows liquid freshwater. At higher elevations, add salt.
Suit buoyancy could be a nuisance underwater. But ballast can fix that.
Wheat
Wheat yield in Canada is 3 tons per acre in Quebec...
Under optimal field conditions you can get over 6 tons per acre, but the greatest yield ever recorded was achieved in a NASA high-irradiance experiment. Bugbee and Salisbury 1988 got 20 tons per acre: enough wheat for 36,000 loaves.
That's 69 million calories from one harvest on one acre. I think that's the yield record for any crop species, and an attainable goal for a settlement attempting calorie self-sufficiency.
A notional greenhouse acre plot:
- 2000 wheat plants/m2
- summer sunlight + 6 MW power, 16 hr/sol, spectrum-optimized LEDs
- curtain-box (red mulch) surrounding plot, to maximize useful PPF and prevent eye damage
- PPF 200 mol/m2d (~4x typical terrestrial field)
Plastic Panels
You're going to want to avoid metal parts in the vehicle, to the extent possible. You're going to receive a moderate does from GCR's on the surface of Mars and when fast moving ions strike metals they typically produce a shower of secondary radioactive particles that can be more damaging to humans than simply being struck by the ion.
Good point. Thinking along those lines, cryogenic plastic could be an important shielding material, and in situ manufacture could be an important industry. If, say, rover body and supplemental shielding (2m+) could be fashioned from ISRU plastic, the cargo mass required for rover delivery would be significantly reduced.
DuPont Vespel is an interesting example plastic, with many good cryogenic properties. However the manufacturing process might be too energy-intensive or too complex to implement, especially if all Vespel precursor molecules (dianhydride, diamine, etc.) must be manufactured from very simple in situ feedstock. I'm wondering if other cryogenic plastics would be easier to manufacture.
Option: If sand and/or fines are abundant near the manufacturing site, then less plastic is required for rover shielding. Rationale: If plastic is used not as thick shielding, but only as encasement for the sand, then a modular sand-and-plastic shielding system could be devised. This would require only a thin layer of ISRU plastic to form each modular block, via injection mold.
How does using the Magnus effect compare with rotors?
Magnus effect gives greater lift. In comparison, the proposed JPL Mars copter is a kind of rotor, augmented. It would mass 1 kg and spin a counterrotating rotor pair having span of 1.1 m.
With the rotor spinning at 2400 rpm, the copter lifts only itself and a payload of, essentially, a GoPro camera board. Rotor tips approach 500 km/hr, so there's little freedom to increase rpm or blade length. Payload is maxed out.
...without a ridiculous number of rotors and motors I can't come up with a feasible powered flight solution for humans.
Given the very slight lift of JPL's example copter, I think kbd512 is probably right on that.
Mars Magnus Aerobot
The whole dirigible idea is probably the best, since you could have a big clear envelope lined on the bottom with flexible solar cells...
A quad rotor with low blade loading should work.
You could say Ravindran et al. combined and extended those two ideas in their Mars Magnus Aerobot Preliminary Design.
It's a PV dirigible with rotors, and also a Magnus lift rotator. The design is interesting because of its high payload: Magnus lift is about 5x the lift of the dirigible hydrogen. Net net: at mean surface level their 70 kg design gives a total lift of 236 N, not counting lift from rotors. That's adequate for an instrument payload. Conceivably larger or teamed aerobots might serve as crew transports. One limitation: their design does not produce enough PV electrical power for continuous operation.
The design is an adaptation of the 1982 Magnus Spherical Airship.
