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#1102 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 21:03:42

Here is what I think is happening:
For the case of H2 it is constanly being made in certain amounts by the Earths Oceans,Polar caps, and fresh water lakes. Now as the H2 rises up through all the turbulent layers of the atmospere it is readly combining with O2 and other elements because it is a hungry molecule. What doesn't get a chance to combine with other elements eventually makes it to space. It is a small amount. It reaches a balance so to say.
If a very very large pocket of natural gas were to bubble up from the ocean floor, I would expect to see an increase of the H2 leaving the atmosphere and going into space. There is nothing for it to combine with anymore. The O2 in the atmosphere has become saturated with the H2, and what is left escapes to space. It is not bound to Earth by gravity.It is bound to Earth by chemical reaction making heavier elements.
For the case of Helium there isn't that much of it. It doesn't combine so eventually it makes it out also to space. But, it takes twice as long because it is twice as heavy as H2.
So, by adding close to 100% H2 in the tube I would also expect to see it rise up through the tube and into space.

#1104 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 19:27:23

So if the effect of gravity is so small over low altitudes, why would the effect be so great over high altitudes?

#1105 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 19:09:32

I agree if it was an enclosed system. However, it has a place to escape out the other end.The more molecules you add to the system the more the system pressure will increase. Thus, since it is open at the end, and that end is near a perfect vacuum in space, it will flow.

#1106 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 18:51:57

I agree if it was an enclosed system. However, it has a place to escape out the other end.The more molecules you add to the system the more the system pressure will increase. Thus, since it is open at the end, and that end is near a perfect vacuum in space, it will flow.

#1107 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 15:51:37

Any increase at the bottom should send H2 out the top. Gravity does not confine H2 to our atmosphere.So why would it inside the tube?

#1108 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 15:50:55

Any increase at the bottom should send H2 out the top. Gravity does not confine H2 to our atmosphere.So why would it inside the tube?

#1110 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 14:20:37

Field Marshal Mathers,
So where would be the best place to install the pump?

#1111 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 12:48:08

Field Marshal Mathers,
  Hey that pump could be solar powered also, correct? So not impossible?

#1113 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 12:37:21

Suppose the open end in space is just a few hundred miles in space? Not 24,000 miles.

#1114 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 12:32:29

So at that point we just keep pumping it in untill it comes out the top. Will that work????

#1115 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 12:28:03

So lets evacuate the tube first by pulling a vacuum on it with a vacuum pump, then lets pump the H2 into the tube all the out to space. Possible?????

#1116 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 12:23:45

Nope, Nano tubes are up to the task if the wall thickness is enough. If you admit the H2 at the bottom at this point what would happen?

#1117 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 12:17:34

That is correct. It must fill the entire tube. If the tube is full then it can't be under the full vacuum of space.

#1118 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 11:53:17

"But you want the whole length of the tube filled with hydrogen or helium, so you can have substantial (multi-kilogram) quantities of gas over a few hours or a day."

Elaborate futher on this? please???

#1119 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 11:42:19

Ok, What would happen if you pulled a near perfect vacuum inside the tube with both ends capped, and then placed the tube in its place through the atmosphere, and then opened the top end?

#1120 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 11:13:59

What is the pressure in the tube now that the bottom end is capped?

#1121 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 10:48:10

You start out with both ends open, and full of air, and space. Now, cap the bottom end with the end in space still open. What is the air pressure now inside the tube at both ends?

#1122 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 10:31:58

Ok, cap the end of the tube that is just above sea level. Since the other end of the tube is still in space the whole inside of the tube is now under a vacuum. Correct????? Right????

#1123 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 10:22:15

I would suspect that more 3/4 the tube is under a vaccum since one open end is in space.

#1124 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Physics transfers fuel inside carbon nano tube - fuel into space » 2004-03-02 09:32:54

The gas naturally escaping earths atmosphere is not heated that much nor is it traveling that fast.

#1125 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Carbon nano tube straw for fuel transfer to space » 2004-03-02 09:03:54

It was just a thought. Although, particle beams can now shoot down incoming ballistic missles from a 747. It exhausts the H2 particles at very high energies thus burning a hole in the target, all the hydrogen is used up after a number of bursts.

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