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#77 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-13 15:11:05

But I don't think that it's a  3d representation either. The shades (shading ?) match completely in each picture. In a virtual 3d object, the lighting might be completely different and you see completely different shades unless you place a virtual source of light at the exact place that would give an exactly identical result with the original 2d picture.

But it's not a lit by any virtual light. It's just using a texture made from the various microscopic imager exposures. There is no "shading" involved. Being 3D does not imply virtial lights and shading. What they are doing here is analogous to what in the 3D community is called "baking a texture light map".

#78 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-13 13:59:11

Apparently the Gusev images from Mars Express were not color corrected properly - the new images released are much less green: [http://www.dlr.de/mars-express/images/2 … te_900.jpg]http://www.dlr.de/mars-ex....900.jpg

Other great Mars Express images:
[http://www.dlr.de/mars-express/images/1 … 00-072.jpg]Top of Olympus Mons
[http://www.dlr.de/mars-express/images/1 … 20-300.jpg]Olympos Mons again, perspective view (3 mb)

#79 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-13 09:14:15

I hate to state the obvious... But haven't you noticed that the tiff image (also available on JPEG form on the MER website: [http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … B019R1.jpg]here) is a rendering of a 3D model of the cliff face - and not a photo?

That's why the edges aren't straight - because they used the microscopic imager to take multiple images at different distances, using the data to compile a 3D model of the cliff face, then a composite of all the images was projected over the 3D model as a texture. This gives them the ability to examine the shape of the rock more throuroughly. The "liquify" look of parts of the image is due to the lack of sufficient precision of the 3D model at some edges - and it also explains the "stepped" look at the edges of the model.

It's really just a more detailed kind of work like what they are doing in this image, having mapped part of the crater in 3D: [http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … B019R1.jpg]http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery....9R1.jpg

#80 Re: Human missions » Retiring the Shuttle ASAP - How do we do it? » 2004-02-12 08:53:38

The Russians have already considered this.  Their solution is to launch the modules on a Proton and to mate a Progress freighter to one end of the module to give it the guidance and propulsion it needs for docking with ISS.

But that only works because the russians (out of necessity) designed all their space stattion components to be capable of independent spaceflight - they are basically small space stations on their own, capable of orbital manuevers and docking. Things are very different for the US modules - they are basically just tin-cans.

#81 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-11 12:44:26

Keiths site is very cool, and the images may "look" more aestetically pleasing - but he still does a good amount of guesswork when it comes to de-normalize (or adjust for exposure) the wavelength channels.

We can all play around in photoshop to enhance images (color, contrast, and more...) so they look more pleasing to us - but personally I'm interested in how it really looks on Mars. And until JPL released all the "meta"-data for the raw channel images - which will include exposure and normalization information - I trust that the JPL imaging guys will give us the most accurate view.

But pretty pictures are nice too...

#82 Re: Unmanned probes » Spirit & Opportunity *3* - ...continued from previous threads » 2004-02-11 10:37:23

dickbill,
The main MER page is not updated frequently, but the raw image section is updated 2-3 times per day:
[http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/]http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/

It's always fun to browse around there - not everything is posted there, and not in the same quality that JPL has access to (due to JPG compression) - but frequently many press-release images can be glimpsed there 24-48 hours before they are "officially" released.

[http://www.atsnn.com/story/30048.html]This website has a good explanation of what the fileneames mean, and how to interpret them.

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