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Hmmm, yes, I suppose we're bound to employ Occam's Razor in explaining those streaks and, if dry avalanches are perfectly able to explain them, then that's where we'll have to leave it until better evidence becomes available.
Thanks, Atomoid!
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here's http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA06453]a really striking image of some dust-devil-caused streaks.
As with the dust-avalanche slope-streaks, the dust gets disturbed making a bright/dark difference that is just unbelievable...
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/P … g]slumping of soil in the gullies opens cracks as it slips downhill, suggesting very "mud-like" behavior.
This must have happened some time ago, as the gullies can be seen covering up or cutting across many of these faults.
quote:
There]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3896335.stm]"There are no known ways for ammonia to be present in the Martian atmosphere that do not involve life," a US Space Agency (Nasa) scientist told BBC News Online.
I guess that means Uranus' ammonia came from some other source? Why the short half-life? Mars too hot? other gasses react with it?
OR, maybe the ammonia is just bound up in volcanic rocks and is being slowly released through erosional processes?
any geologists out there know if this is likely?
But, "no active hotspots"? really? didn't Oddyssey find http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/spac … 7.htm]some active hotspots in Hellas Basin?:
infrared images taken by the Odyssey showed the hotspots in the Hellas Basin - laid out in a chain - were hotter than the surrounding environment both during the day and at night.
Once the Odyssey's companion satellite, the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft, takes high-resolution images of the formations in clear light, it will be possible to identify them definitively as ice towers or something else.
Funny, about a year later, I haven't heard any follow up or anything more about these hotspots. Was that MGS picture ever taken??
What are those dark streaks down the sides of the yardangs?
???
The dark streaks, according to NASA, are dust avalanches. They are occuring commonly in areas of Mars that are most dusty. Some think brine might be involved, since they exhibit fluid-flow characteristics, but dust avalanching explains these same features much simpler. The major brightness difference is due to the disturbed soil in the avalanche being rougher and less reflective.
I remember when Sir Arthur C. Clarke brought up this idea of trees a few years ago referring to this same image. Intriguing idea but I think its just speculation like Hoagland's giant glass tubes (which just look like sand dunes in the bottom of ravines giving the illusion of convexity). There is a whole "http://www.martianspiders.com/]Martian Spiders" page devoted to these features. Guess well have to wait for MRO to get some better shots in 2007.
IMHO I don't think these formations (the "http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m08046/m0804688a.jpg]the "trees"") stick up above the terrain much at all. They're probably just small heaps and troughs in the soil created by freeze/thaw patterns causing soil expansion around underground reserves of something that outgasses/contracts during the warmer months, and expands during the winter.
CO2 might do the trick if its outgassing, Water ice might do the trick if its crystalization/expansion. The change in volume under the soil would allow the area to slump or mound up and create dendritic cracking patterns.
The light/dark difference is merely due to frost remaining on the smoother areas. If you take a picture of this area now, it will look much different due to frost accumulation/sublimation, although the "spider" forms are actual soil disturbances so they remain and get amplified every season. The "shadows" are probably either windblown dust or just frost-free areas (due to turbulent air patterns downwind of terrain features) that looks very dark in the exposure that was needed to not overexpose the light frosted areas.
Although (not to throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water), im fairly convinced that it is possible that there might be vast bacterial colonies slowly thriving inside these areas that are metabolizing compounds and releasing heat or gas, thus creating the very conditions that are allowing these formations to propogate.
...During each of the three summers since the start of the MGS mapping mission in March 1999, the scarps that form mesas and pits in the "Swiss cheese"-like south polar terrain have retreated an average of about 3 meters (~1 yard). The material is frozen carbon dioxide; another 3 meters or so of each scarp is expected to be removed during the next summer, in late 2005...
...considering the area is a mile wide(would love to send a rover http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=13322]into that maze), the layer looks like its about 15 feet deep(? or is it permaCO2frost dustsoil slumping in this pattern, and not an icepack ), thats a lots of CO2 vaporizing into the atmosphere and doing its thing, more evidence supportive of the "Mars global warming" scenario?
The Sun, such a loud windy messy necessity. or just good old warmth and color thats destructive to volatile collections of matter. Doom to the moons from the Sun!
I remember Harlan Ellison giving a talk in Los Altos last year about how if we could aim several comets to crash into our Moon at just the right angle, we could get it spinning fast enough to make a 24 day. The comet water would, even in the low gravity, be enough to give it an atmospheric pressure even more than Earth's, and in the thick air you would actually be able to flap your arms and fly. The low gravity would still be enough to keep the air around for about 10,000 years...
looks like http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/im … id=667]the blueberries really are solid hematite after all.
"http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=670]sparkly dust-like material" ??
I lost my glasses at school,
so i can't make out what's special about the pic, you know a 'regular' version, perhaps?
you can always click on the image at MU http://www.lyle.org/mars/bysol/1-152.html]but here it is in lyle sol 152
the weird thing is the spiny ridges sticking up like dinosaur bones. its kind of like the decaying bread loaves at the Spirit pot o gold site where the rind remains after the rock weathers away. this non-geologist assumes that this kind of stuff suggests that the rocks were exposed to mineralization at a time long after they were formed, a rind forming in water or air over the ages, kind og like the process of desert varnish, a dark rindy coating which is mainly manganese and iron oxides forming with the help of moisture and sunlight on exposed surfaces of rocks on earth (non-sunlight exposed surfaces get an orange hue due to just iron oxides)...
also on this page dont miss the http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1M1416 … ]blueberry pedestal sans bluebery
Look at them lovely clouds...
thats the best picture of clouds on MArs i have ever seen. they look pretty Earth-like to me, much more so than the faint wisps weve seen so far...
now another mystery:
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2P1418 … .html]from sol 174
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/stereo … 9-P.jpg]3D anaglyph
why the bright spotch here? merely a desert varnish reflection off the rock? than why not more abundant in this photo and others? maybe a crystal plane reflection?
made it, relief sets in... I was hoping for some first-ever images from inside the ring gap first-ever edge on, i dont see any yet.
those are some great http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/i … =27729]raw images
at first i thought those might be the sequence of "threading the gap" but put the thumbnails together and they just make up a mosaic (seems to be the same as the http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gs2. … mage]image from 6/29):
http://www.freewebs.com/atomoid/ringim.jpg]here
it looks liek they havent released an image from edge on, so is this the closest we got?
did anyone notice the "http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/casJPGFullS02/N00000488.jpg]meteor flurries" in these images? what the heck?
--Cindy
::EDIT:: A pic of the event is available for viewing at space.com; I can't "lift" it (for posting here) by clicking on the image, however.
cool, i was wondering if they'd ever figure that out...
BTW, to "lift" those image URLs:
http://mozilla.org/products/firefox/]Mozilla Firefox (my favorite): right-click image > "copy image location"
http://www.avantbrowser.com/]Avant Browser (upgrades IE; uses same engine): right-click > "Properties" the image url is listed
Opera (good but lots o clutter): right-click > "copy image address"
Microslop Internut Exploder ('nuff said): right-click > "Properties" the image url is listed
Kayaking the tidal salt marsh http://www.elkhornslough.org/]Elkhorn Slough, I was repeatedly struck by how much the mudbank at the tideline resembles those termite galleries in the bedrock at Meridiani. I was able to snap off a few pictures of some of it, although I was unable to photograph the most compelling specimens in time. The best photo I was able to get does the comparison a little bit of justice at least...
I'm guessing that the similar "termite gallery" holes in the mud are created by crabs burrowing into the voids left by decaying plant roots (look in the lower left). Any naturists out there know more about this kind of stuff?
what are the tiny parallel lines in the sand here? http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1N1415 … html]check it out right near the rover shadow visible in four of the adjoining images here. hmm, some sort of insect trail like a beetle leaves in the sand?
okay, it's just a blueberry that was likely dislodged by Opportunity then it bounced and hit the sand making a "pock-mark" and then bouncing and rolling through the sand narrowly skirting the little ridge in the sand (whatever that is), leaving a track behind it and coming to a rest at the bottom of its travels.
here's an "otherwise unavailable anywhere else" http://www.freewebs.com/atomoid/slopRox.JPG]3D anaglyph of some odd rocks from sol 168.
http://www3.zero.ad.jp/esuto/stphmkr/in … tereoPhoto Maker is great (and free).
incredible anaglyph images of deeply undercut rock chunks at Endurance (both http://www.lyle.org/mars/bysol/1-136.html]from sol 136) photos taken of the http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/1P1402 … tml]Yellow Brick Road:
http://www.marsunearthed.com/Opportunit … ..._3D.htm
http://www.marsunearthed.com/Opportunit … ..._3D.htm
its amazing how deep the soil below them has been excavated, leaving hanging precipice egdes. hmm... has the soil been blown away by wind action or is it void left by softer rock that has been blown away or maybe there hasnt been much removal and the terrain is not too different from the original piled jumble of rocks thrown by the impact ages ago?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000825.html]Folding Europa
*An "oldie but a goodie" from Astropix. This image from the late Galileo probe, taken in 1998. Terrific detail -- ridges and "freckles" of little craters (maybe they should be called "indentations" instead, since they also are very smooth in appearance).
--Cindy
awwww shux! the link times out... broken or just down for now?
The 6Mb 3-D image of Mangala is absolutely stunning! Can the vertical relief really be so spectacular or has it been exaggerated?
There's at least one big crater there which Opportunity would definitely never get out of, if sent in to investigate!
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Truly stunning indeed! I too am wondering if the elevation is exaggerated, but im not too sure how ME arrives at its stereo separation and if it is consistent. I assume there's not two cameras, its just that the images are taken in sequence from the distance travelled between them in orbit. am i right? so these are actual stereo photographs as far as i am aware. i'd guess that the larger the stereo separation is between the two images (how far apart does ME take its stereo image sequence?) would amplify the perpective effect making the depth look more extreme:
The http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/mar … g]red/cyan 3D anaglyph image was created using the stereo- and nadir channels of the HRSC. The http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/mar … erspective view was calculated from the digital terrain model derived from the stereo and colour information of the image data.
When you zoom into it with anaglyphic glasses really shows how the Mars weve seen at the "safe" landing sites so far seem likely to turn out to be both an aesthetic and scientific bore by comparison.
We should take a chance on sending MER copies to places like this, but for now i guess well have to wait for MSL in 2010 which will be sent probably to another such "safe" landing site after MRO finds something "scientifically interesting but within the limits".
Although MER being so slow and terrain-challenged might have a hard time here if it sets down in hole, i think its worth the risk since its relatively cheap. Personally id like to drive down that big river canyon, although at Spirit's demonstrated speed it would take over 15 years to traverse just the roughly 150 km section that is visible in the image :bars2: . I guess we need to make some Mars Spider/Helicopter/Baloons, some way to get up or rapell down to examine all the layers in the gouged-out canyon walls. :up:
This Spirit image of part of the rainCake or breadLoafWreckage or whatever it is http://www.marsunearthed.com/Spirit/Spi … htm]stands out real good in 3D
especially notable is the little "support column" stretched bwteen the walls inside the hollow of the "limestone drapery cave-curtain"
which, oh, okay, turns out to be http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2M1405 … ml]nothing too special
To protect the spacecraft from particles too small to be detected from Earth, Cassini will be turned to use its high-gain antenna as a shield
...just how small are the particles that can they expect to detect?
...it would be interesting to see a model of the earth with a moon and without and see how the earth is different, my bet is earth would be quite a different place without the moon.
If this is the case then it changes the Drake equaton, because the chances of an exo-planet similar to ours having a moon of similar size, composition and distance with all the other factors is I would have thought quite low.
Its not even safe to assume that all planets like ours would probably have a moon, since the moon was formed by a giant collision with the earth, that has its own probabilites attached too, what if the impactor had hit Mars or Jupiter, RESULT: bigger earth and a completley different Earth....
Without the moon Earth might look something much more like Venus (though perhaps not as hot), because it has no moon, Venus has no plate techtonics, about a year-long day/night cycle,
I've heard that the moon imparts a stabilizing effect, limiting the extremes of the procession of the equinoxes. Does the moon effects the interior magma flow of earth and perhaps stabilize the magnetic field as well?
Perhaps its not so uncommon in the universe for such planetoid impacts to occur and a good part of the time they end up forming a stable moon, given that the masses are in pretty close orbit and velocity since they originated in the same system, its just the slow orbital harmonics that slowly eases them together. Such a planetoid was probably in a somewhat, though not permanently stable orbit between Earth and either Mars or Venus until it was eased into collision, the resultant excess wreckage of this (the moon being almost entirely composed of Earth's crust after it was spalled outward by the impact vibrations on a 5-hour-day Earth), the impacting planetoid remnant might have wandered in another such orbit for eons until it impacted Mars i a simialr fashion. Im under the impression that Mars was likely hit by a large planetoid early on as well, from looking at the difference between hemispheres which dont happen to be aligned equatorially (a large impact could have imparted this).
>> here is a very http://www.utah.edu/unews/releases/04/j … nteresting article on blueberries <<
"...Martian “blueberries” probably are pure hematite – a form of iron oxide that is gray because it has a larger crystal structure than the reddish form of iron oxide, commonly known as rust. The Utah concretions are mostly sandstone, cemented by hematite that makes up a few percent to perhaps one-third of the rock. The Martian concretions likely precipitated from acidic groundwater. Those in Utah precipitated when hydrocarbon-rich, briny fluids encountered oxygen-rich groundwater....
...That’s the bottom line: hematite is linked to life...
...several geological features were seen both in aerial photos of southern Utah’s hematite-rich areas and in images of Mars’ hematite regions taken by orbiting spacecraft. These features include large rocky landforms shaped like knobs, pipes and buttes, and places where bleached-looking rock forms white sediment beds or ring-shapes on the surface...
...The geologists determined the processes responsible for these large-scale features in Utah involved the flow of briny groundwater saturated with natural gas that bleaches sandstone, and that such groundwater flow, the precipitation of hard hematite-cemented rock and the later erosion of surrounding softer rock also would explain the formation of the erosion-resistant pipes, buttes, knobs and concretions. They concluded a similar process could have formed concretions and larger landforms on Mars..."
briny groundwater saturated with natural gas (methane?) -martian microbes to supply the necessary ingredients?
This one is for Cobra;
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … 0615a.html
Scroll down to the Cobra Hood section. This whole page is very interesting.
Another fascinating decaying bread loaf remnant...
I couldnt find an anaglyph of this on http://www.lyle.org/mars/]the lyle.org site
so i whipped one up using the pictures i found in sol 159:
Check out this close up. I wonder if this is of the rock you are talking about, Arccos.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ … ...2M1.JPG
What are those tiny spheres? Children of the blueberries?
...tiny spheres, if your talking abou thte little dark things collected in the crevices, seem to be probably just sand grains
but now http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2M1405 … html]whats this? lots of good termite galleries just like Meridiani, but no blueberries arywhere. i cant find where this corresponds to on http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2P1404 … G.html]the layered rock pic that shows what appear to be many great specimens of blueberries on stalks.
Blueberries at Gusev... synthomus in the #6 thread brought this up, pointing to http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2P1402 … .html]this image of what looks suspiciously like an ancient blueberry muffin remnant...
It looks like they've been investigating this object over the last few sols using all the filters they've got... certainly an odd rock compared to the other Gusev rocks, very Meridiani-like.
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2P1403 … ml]another side view or http://www.lyle.org/~markoff/processed/ … JPG]better yet Crotty color
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2N1404 … l]overhead view
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/2P1404 … l]close-up overhread view
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/stereo … 0-N.jpg]3D from away (3 rocks triangle in middle, the far one is the weird layered flake rock).
heres]http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/stereo/2-140490139-F.jpg]here's a similar 3D view looking at it from a bit more to the left.
http://www.lyle.org/mars/imagery/stereo … 9-N.jpg]3D from above
This could be a key discovery, hope to hear something official soon...