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The first big problem is convincing a media tycoon that media rights to the mars mission are worth $25 billion. The second problem is that it will cause a bare-bones mission to be launched once, after which the drive to go to mars will decrease because it has already been done.
though don't trust my math
903 km/s is .003c, which would get you to Alpha Centauri in about 1500 years.
I looked at magnetic sails as a form of propulsion... unfortunately they are limited by the velocity of the solar wind which is less than .01c. They might be useful for slowing down near the destination star system though.
I looked at electric propulsion, and the power requirements are way beyond any conceivable fission power plant. Using multiple stages helps some, making so that a super advanced fission plant might be able to power the ship. This would require a huge ship though, and even with many stages it is well beyond current technology. Fusion or antimatter power might help some, though it seems quite possible that electric propulsion will never be practical for interstellar travel.
Well, if interstellar travel were easy, aliens would already have colonized Earth
Yes, if you can get closer to the sun, the terminal velocity will be higher. However, the terminal velocity only increases with the inverse square root of the distance, while solar radiation increases with the inverse square of distance. The interstellar probe estimate of .25 au is probably already at the limit of current technology, and most people working to improve sail tech are focusing on thickness rather than temperature tolerance.
Recently, I have also begun investigation options for a "real" interstellar probe to Alpha Centauri. This is of course much more difficult than the 200-400 au probe because Alpha Centauri is at about 300,000 au. With regards to solar sails I found an interesting [http://www.pioneerastro.com/USSIT/Ultra … al_Rpt.doc]article by Robert Zubrin. The conclusion is that a solar sail could reach Alpha Centauri within a century, but only if it uses some sort of exotic carbon nanotube mesh for its sail.
Nuclear electric has some advantages, and would probably be better than solar for a mars mission. The problem with nuclear is that it has to be done on a large scale to be efficient. In the 100s of kW range, the specific mass of the reactors (mass/power) decreases roughly by the square root of the amount of power. This means that a 400 kW reactor might only be twice the mass of a 100 kW reactor. In the several mW range that would likely be used for an NEP Mars mission, nuclear would have a specific mass at least as good as solar at Earth orbit and superior at Mars orbit.
I am not really sure about the whole nuclear safe orbit thing. Is it really necessary? I don’t know of any reason why nuclear power at ISS orbit would be especially dangerous.
BTW, what is 'Sustained Earth Neighborhood Access", for what other than the moon is in earths neighborhood?
They might plan to land on near earth asteroids, or possibly do something at GSO or the Lagrange points.
Other things I noticed about the timeline:
*Though ISS appears to be used in the mission architecture its funding dies out in fy16-17. The lunar landings would be fy15-28 or fy17-24.
*At the end of the lunar period all flights are stopped for several years while mars tech is developed. Contrary to what Bush has implied, it seems that the moon will not be utilized in a mars mission.
The main problem with the plans for the solar sail interstellar probe is that it requires a solar sail about an order of magnitude thinner than is currently available. It is unlikely that the required aerial densities can be achieved in the near future, so such a vehicle is probably at least several decades away.
However, there are many interesting scientific questions that could be answered by such mission, so I thinking about whether or not a mission with similar objectives could be launched using current or near term technology. The main alternative to solar sails is nuclear ion propulsion, so I decided to do some calculation on the performance of an NEP probe.
Assuming an isp of 10,000 and 50% propellant mass, the NEP probe would match the solar sail probe's maximum velocity of 14 au/year. An isp of 10,000 is a little above that used in any current thruster but there are not any technical problems preventing higher isp values- shorter ranged missions use lower isp values because high isp comes at the expense of thrust. Since efficiency increases with isp for ion engines, the overall engine efficiency should be over 85%. If the reactor and thruster have a 10 kg/kW specific mass and are 25% of the vehicle's mass, the total burn time would be about 3.5 years. This is about the lifetime of current ion engine thrusters. 10 kg/kW is achievable for current or near future high power nuclear power plants. Nuclear power is not nearly as efficient on small scales though, so this would have to be a fairly large probe. The remaining 25% should be sufficient for fuel tanks, structural mass, and a formidable array of scientific instruments.
Note that none of these numbers have been optimized. Better performance could probably be achieved with a larger % of the mass being used for power instead of fuel and with an even higher isp. If the thrusters and power plant can operate for longer than 3.5 years, the isp can be raised still further with a longer burn time.
While the NEP version of the probe would be somewhat larger and more expensive than the projected solar sail version, the propulsive technology needed to make it work is available now. With sufficient funding, it should be possible to launch the probe within 10 years.
Some of the artwork in that pdf file looks kind of strange. For instance, why does the nuclear electric propultion stage appear to have solar panels jutting out in every direction?
Based on the timeline it appears that a mars mission will not be planned until around 2030 at the earliest.
Of course a 100kw reactor does not have enough power to drive a manned spacecraft of useful size. But what about a greatly enlarged NEP, say with a megawatt reactor? The rule of thumb is that large nuclear reactors are more efficient and lighter than small ones, because many parameters like the thickness of the rad-shield and pressure vessel remain constant with size or scale up only slowly. So we might expect a super-Prometheus to have a somewhat higher power/weight ratio than the 100kw version now in development.
The problem here is than any performance increase due to the benefits of scale will start from a ludicrously low base. JIMO will weigh about 20 tons upon injection into LEO, and its thrust is so low that it will take 2.5 years just to climb up out of the Earth's gravity well and pass the Moon! Even if this time were cut in half, it would be too slow for manned missions, and even for delivering supplies to the Moon on a regular basis.
Even without the increases in power plant efficiency, a mission to mars could increase thrust by decreasing isp. The reduced isp engine would take substantially less than 2.5 years to get out of earth’s gravity well and it would still be much more efficient than chemical power.
Furthermore, there is a little problem with ion drive that you don't read about in the NASA press releases: the vital high-voltage parts of the thrusters gradually sputter themselves away into space like the filaments in vacuum tubes.
Even for a Mars mission, we needed to carry duplicate (and possibly triplicate) engines to replace the original engines which had a strictly limited life. It is not clear how the Prometheus Project intends to overcome this problem for the 10-15 years that typical outer system missions will last.
Most of the recent progress in ion engines has gone toward solving this problem. The current HiPEP engines have increased thruster lifetime by a factor of 5-8 since the ds1 ion engine.
If this idea is to work at all, it would almost certainly require the boilogical components to be genetically engineered in order to meet the power and temperature requirements.
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How exactly would your biothermal engine work? I am not sure about what the efficiency would be, but it would probably not be able to generate enough heat to get a decent isp.
Well, my last statement probably oversimplifies the case. However, you certainly cannot assume a particle's volume is directly proportional to its mass in quantum physics.
Exactly, they are more massive, and the chances of being hit by photons are much greater.
No, they are more massive so their chances of being hit are smaller. Due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, the volume in which the particle might be found decreases as mass increases.
That is what an induction particle accelerator for engine use is, is an ion engine, just operated at realtivly low power levels to maximize efficency.
Actually ion engines get more efficient as power and isp increase because a greater portion of the energy is used on the efficient acceleration of ions and less on the inefficient ionization. The ds1 ion engine had an isp of 3300 and about 60% efficiency while the new hipep engine has an isp of above 6000 and at least 80% efficiency. The reason why ion engines have lower isp values is to increase thrust. If power and efficiency are constant, then thrust and isp are inversely proportional to each other.
The charged grids used in modern ion engines accelerate ions with at least 99.5% efficiency. They are also becoming pretty reliable due to recent advances. Lasers are not anywhere near this efficient and are therefore inferior as a method of accelerating ions.
There is a lot of research that can be done on the ISS, such as finding ways to counter the negitive effects of 0g or investigating methods of 0g manufacturing. If we do not complete the ISS, in 10 or 15 years we will have to build ISS 2 to do the research that ISS was supposed to do.
As GNCRevenger said, temperature and heat are not concepts that apply to subatomic particles. Light has no temperature. It is neither hot nor cold. The temperature of a substance affects the wavelengths of light that it can emit, but it does not mean that the emmited light is at that temperature.
I think that the 20,000 lbs of supplies does not include the earth return vehicle or its fuel. With the ERV, fuel, and supplies for the return trip there is 130,000 lbs.
Yes.
terrorism does work, unless one is as committed to victory as completely as the terrorists are.
Terrorism also fails if the terrorists are ignored. We must try to avoid making rash decisions under the guise of fighting terrorism. We can harm ourselves more through poorly thought out over reactions to terrorism than the terrorists could ever harm us by themselves.
I think you are being a little optimistic about the amount of power you are getting out of your reactor. To get 5N of force using light, you need close to 1 gigawatt of power (assuming an efficient engine). Modern nuclear reactors designed to be used for space need about 10-50 kg/kW.
Friction and temperature are not concepts that are applicable on the sub-atomic scale. The photon has no rest mass. However it is traveling at the speed of light. Due to relativity, an object's apparent mass is equal to its rest mass times (1-v^2/c^2)^(-1/2). Since photons travel at the speed of light, in this case (1-v^2/c^2)^(-1/2)=infinity. 0*infinity is undefined, but in practice the apparent mass of a photon can be found using E=mc^2.
Light must have a rest mass of 0. If it had a non-zero rest mass, then it would have infinate apparent mass due to realativity.
On March 2, the ESA launched [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_space_probe]Rosetta space probe. Its itinerary looks very impressive with 3 Earth fly-bys, 2 asteroid fly-bys, a Mars fly-by, and ending with a landing on a comet.
Gas core fission reactors do not exist yet, do they?