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#51 Re: Life support systems » Nutrient Management in Closed system for Martian Greenhouse » 2018-10-28 12:14:27

Thank you for sharing this image. That's what I worry such as the nuclear radiation contaminated in the soil. That is the reason, why I disagree with the utilization of Martian soil for Martian agriculture at first phase of human colonization. Planting a crop in the high radiation-Martian soil could affect the physiology of the crop and contamination of the grains or food also which will increase the risk of human health. That is the reason why NASA focused on studying a hydroponics and LED.

#52 Re: Life support systems » Research @ USU Crop Physiology Laboratory » 2018-10-28 12:08:45

Yeah, that's true. Sometimes, they focus only on the issue on Earth. Adding some pictures for Space Exploration, this could widen the importance of research for society.  Space Plant Biology is a discipline which is not common in Plant Science. But, it is unique. In order to make the people aware and appreciate the importance of this discipline, there is a student from Univ. of Wisc. - Madison who extend the information about Astrobotany. So, he makes a YouTube channel and website to extend the information about Space Plant Biology in people. His website was "astrobotany.com".

#53 Life support systems » Genetic Engineering on Martian crops » 2018-10-28 10:17:08

jfenciso
Replies: 8

What are your thoughts about doing an genetic engineering of Martian crops?

#54 Life support systems » Space Plant Pathology » 2018-10-28 10:13:30

jfenciso
Replies: 14

What would you do if your crop planted inside the Martian greenhouse will be infected with plant pathogens? And, how would be affected in a closed system environment like a Martian colony?

#55 Re: Life support systems » China's "Space Vegetables" » 2018-10-28 10:09:32

I recommend to use as crop candidates for establishing Martian agriculture based on the study from China.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 6508000593

They choose 14 crops including 4 food crops (wheat, rice, soybean and peanut) and 7 vegetables (Chinese cabbage, lettuce, radish, carrot, tomato, squash and pepper). Wheat (Triticum aestivum L.), rice (Oryza sativa L.), soybean (Glycine max L.) and peanut (Arachis hypogaea L.) are main food crops in China. Chinese cabbage (Brassica campestris L. ssp. chinensis var. communis), lettuce (Lactuca sativa L. var. longifolia Lam.), radish (Raphanus sativus L.), carrot (Daucus carota L. var. sativa DC.), tomato (Lycopersicon escalentum L.), squash (Cucurbita moschata Duch.) and pepper (Capsicum frutescens L. var. longum Bailey) are 7 vegetables preferred by Chinese. Furthermore, coriander (Coriandum sativum L.), welsh onion (Allium fistulosum L. var. giganteum Makino) and garlic (Allium sativum L.) were selected as condiments to improve the taste of space crew.

The researchers will do a further study about the agronomic characteristics of the chosen crops.

#56 Re: Life support systems » Current experiments on algea, lichen etc.? - Anybody doing this stuff » 2018-10-28 09:54:01

Even you have a higher degree or not, our aim is to share our thoughts on how to colonize or terraform the planet Mars as a second home planet for the future generation. smile

#57 Re: Life support systems » Crops » 2018-10-28 09:49:17

knightdepaix wrote:

In short, where can human find phosphorus? Or shall be make it by transmutation and recovery of elements in nuclear fission and/or fusion waste?

To obtain phosphorus in the phosphorus-deficient soil, I recommend to plant Chickpea (Wouterloud et al. 2004), white lupin and faba bean (Liu, Tang, and Li, 2016) as a source of food and increase the soil fertility. Don't forget to do an intercropping also (Xue et al. 2016).

Reference:
1.) https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 … 8.28893.f6
2.) https://dx.doi.org/10.1093%2Faobpla%2Fplw058
3.) https://dx.doi.org/10.1093/aob/mcv182

#58 Re: Life support systems » Marsian Horticulture » 2018-10-28 09:38:55

I recommend to use as crop candidates for establishing Martian agriculture based on the study from China.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 6508000593

They choose 14 crops including 4 food crops (wheat, rice, soybean and peanut) and 7 vegetables (Chinese cabbage, lettuce, radish, carrot, tomato, squash and pepper). Wheat (Triticum aestivum L.), rice (Oryza sativa L.), soybean (Glycine max L.) and peanut (Arachis hypogaea L.) are main food crops in China. Chinese cabbage (Brassica campestris L. ssp. chinensis var. communis), lettuce (Lactuca sativa L. var. longifolia Lam.), radish (Raphanus sativus L.), carrot (Daucus carota L. var. sativa DC.), tomato (Lycopersicon escalentum L.), squash (Cucurbita moschata Duch.) and pepper (Capsicum frutescens L. var. longum Bailey) are 7 vegetables preferred by Chinese. Furthermore, coriander (Coriandum sativum L.), welsh onion (Allium fistulosum L. var. giganteum Makino) and garlic (Allium sativum L.) were selected as condiments to improve the taste of space crew.

The researchers will do a further study about the agronomic characteristics of the chosen crops.

#59 Re: Life support systems » What Biome's are needed on Mars » 2018-10-28 09:21:10

Thank you SpaceNut for the welcome. I am a new member in this forum. What I will share in this forum are my insights related to Plant Physiology aspect, but I can't share related to the engineering aspect. big_smile

We need to mimic the closed system environment similar to the Biosphere 2. But, we should create in a smaller scale. We need to start from small domes. I recommend caverns but there is no technology that could be transported in Mars. A greenhouse is good but isn't dangerous if duststorm will happen in the colony? I suggest that the growth chamber for crop is better inside the room than planting it in a dome type. As a source of light, I recommend to use LED and the light recipe is based on the study of Massa and Mickens of KSC. In planting a vine crop like potatoes and stringbean, we should follow the study of Massa and Mitchell. To make the light energy from LED will use efficiently.

#60 Re: Life support systems » What would be the best method of maintaining fertile fields? » 2018-10-28 09:08:15

Oldfart1939 wrote:

The key to fertility is Nitrogen. .

Oldfart1939, don't forget the Phosphorus and Potassium. NPK are macronutrients and more needed by plants. However, to obtain more phosphate, I recommend planting chickpea because they exude more organic acid in the soil to obtain a phosphorus. However, since legumes need rhizobia to enhance nodulation and nitrogen fixation, inoculation of Rhizobia sp. in seeds before sowing must do.

#61 Re: Life support systems » Perchlorate for Chemosynthesis on Mars » 2018-10-28 05:17:00

SpaceNut wrote:

Earth microbes did make it to Mars, here are the ones that are most likely to make themselves at home.

1. Staphylococcus

These bacteria (top), typically found in soil and on human skin, persevered in petri dishes that contained 20 percent salt. That’s really salty—by comparison, the ocean is only about 3 percent salt. It may be that Staphylococcus could also thrive in Mars’ salty sands and waters.

2. Enhydrobacter

During laboratory tests, Enhydrobacter colonies withstood a 2000-joule zap of radiation, “which is a pretty decent dose of UVC radiation,” says Smith-Rohde. They also endured a two-week desiccation experiment, wherein they had absolutely no access to water, with no major problems.

3. Moraxella

Nearly 50 percent of Moraxella bacteria outlived a one-hour dunk in a 5 percent hydrogen peroxide solution—a common cleaning agent meant to kill microbes on spacecraft.

4. Streptomyces

Normally noted for their role in decaying organic matter, Streptomyces microbes are surprisingly hardy. In experiments, they were able to grow in the 20 percent salt solution as well as the two-week desiccation period, withstood low temperatures, and tolerated a pH of 9—similar in acidity to the soils of Mars.

5. Gracilibacillus

Gracilibacillus one of a handful of types of bacteria that can eat the perchlorates found in Martian soil.

SpaceNut, thanks for sharing this 5 candidate bacteria which possibly thrive in Mars.

#62 Re: Life support systems » What Biome's are needed on Mars » 2018-10-28 05:13:09

Terraformer wrote:

I don't think the water will be going anywhere. We should be able to recycle it with very high efficiency. If we can extract a lot of water from Mars, then there's no reason to worry about thirsty crops.

I agree.

#63 Re: Life support systems » Crop production and food variety » 2018-10-28 04:51:43

RobertDyck wrote:
jfenciso wrote:

For the first phase of Martian farming, I recommend a hydroponics system. smile

The problem with hydroponics is nutrient solutions.

Talking about a nutrient solution, it is not reliable to bring a nutrient solution to space. What to bring in Mars are 2-3 years supply of different types of mineral salt. This mineral salts will be used to make a nutrient solution like Hoagland's nutrient solution for hydroponics. You can prepare a nutrient solution on Mars. Preparing a nutrient solution is based on millimolar. Future Martian settlers assigned in hydroponics system must learn how to prepare this kind of solution. Second, settlers will know how to manage the amount of nutrient solution for the specific crops by diluting the full-strength nutrient solution into half-strength or quarter-strength. Just to save a nutrient solution. Plus, supplemented with the specific wavelength and photon flux density of light by using LED, to improve the growth. Third, what I worry was if you will use a Martian soil for planting without deep study about the physicochemical properties. It is dangerous for the settlers because of the presence of radiation. Once we used Martian soil with the presence of radiation, the plants will affect its growth and harm the human once they eat a crop exposed in Martian soil with radiation.

I am looking for an update about the planned space probe to Mars which will be used to study the deep surface of Mars. smile

P.S.: To make an organic soil, human manure mixed with compost of dead plant materials is recommended. Addition of earthworm in compost will help to speed up the decomposition and help to increase the microflora of composts and humic acid content. To fix atmospheric nitrogen, you can plant leguminous crops in organic soil you make to increase the nitrate and ammonium in soil, amended with Rhizobium sp. to enhance the nodulation and nitrogen fixation. There is no Rhizobium sp. in space. So, we need to bring a pure culture of the said bacteria for inoculation.

#64 Re: Life support systems » Possible timelines for martian agriculture? » 2018-10-28 00:34:48

SpaceNut wrote:

Reading back though just the 1 page of the topic and looking at the title its a bit thin on what, where and when for how we will bring agriculture to mars. Maybe with all the other collective topics there is something to be created from all of what we are discusing...

What I mean, I will make a mini-review paper. big_smile

#65 Re: Life support systems » What Biome's are needed on Mars » 2018-10-28 00:33:08

At first, I recommend a dry environment. Saving water is needed inside the colony. So, we should look for plants which are high water-use efficiency. smile

#66 Re: Life support systems » Mushrooms - organic waste recycling, and vegan leather » 2018-10-28 00:27:04

Once the mushroom was grown on Mars, settlers must learn how to culture mushroom spores, in order to produce more mushroom in space. smile

More agar supply is needed for the production of culture media for mushroom spores.

For the source of mushroom substrates, I recommend the agricultural waste like dead plants.

#67 Re: Life support systems » What would be the best method of maintaining fertile fields? » 2018-10-28 00:24:25

SpaceNut wrote:

Processing the human waste is the trick

Indole in human feces is helpful in plants, by the way. big_smile

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl … -27997.pdf

#68 Re: Life support systems » Swine » 2018-10-28 00:19:08

SpaceNut wrote:

Peanut butter is given in most food pantry help as they know that meats are short in supply and just for a different reason when going to mars.

I agree! Planting peanut will help the soil increase the fertility also.

To increase the availability of phosphate in the soil, chickpea and maize are recommended. smile

#69 Re: Life support systems » Research @ USU Crop Physiology Laboratory » 2018-10-28 00:14:53

Yeah, I am interested in dwarf form. Space is limited in the greenhouse, we need to search for a dwarf variety who possessed traits like high yielding performance, water- and nutrient-use efficient, and fixed more CO2. smile

#70 Re: Life support systems » Crop production and food variety » 2018-10-28 00:11:19

louis wrote:

But that's true whether you use virgin Mars regolith soil or manufacture your soil to Earth specification. Whichever method, it's going to be a huge task.  In fact it's one of the reasons why I think hydroponic farming might make a lot more sense.


For the first phase of Martian farming, I recommend a hydroponics system. smile

#71 Re: Life support systems » Nutrient Management in Closed system for Martian Greenhouse » 2018-10-27 23:58:36

Thank you for sharing your thought, I will look more information about your thought about perchlorates and plants. smile

#72 Re: Life support systems » Current experiments on algea, lichen etc.? - Anybody doing this stuff » 2018-10-27 23:53:45

SpaceNut, thank you for sharing the link from USGS Report. I will use this material for my literature review. More thank you to you. smile

#73 Re: Life support systems » Synthetic Biology » 2018-10-27 23:50:50

If you didn't prefer a genetic engineering, it will take more time to study the Martian microbes which have the ability to produce a precursor reagent for rocket fuel. smile

#74 Re: Life support systems » Marsian Horticulture » 2018-10-27 23:48:51

Not really. big_smile

That fruit-bearing tree could not be considered as the main food source, but a supplemental food source to obtain antioxidant properties for your bodies. smile

#75 Re: Life support systems » Current experiments on algea, lichen etc.? - Anybody doing this stuff » 2018-10-27 23:46:10

Most studies, crops are accumulators. We need to look a variety which has an ability to exclude the heavy metals in soil. Second, I am screening a biofertilizer developed by the university where I study, and to choose which types of biofertilizer will be used for plant thrive in cadmium-rich soil.

By the way, once you find soils which have the lowest levels of Cd, try to correlate your results with simulated Martian regolith that we have. Maybe someday, that's a new type of simulated Martian soil. Are you a soil scientist? smile

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