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Well im not intending to use a magnetic field in the design, instead a modified system to nasas electrostatic shield

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005 … tatics.htm

The balls are in tended to be smaller and networked in a double (+,-) mesh to cover on top the gas membrane but would still allow light into the crater.

Well you can with a polarising lens.

Yeah that sounds better.

I need a very high res map of terra sabaea where i should be able to spot craters a few km across or better, any ideas where i can find it?

Also i need information on the same territory to allow me to make a 3dmodel, any ideas where i could find such information?

Sure ill do that, ill make the diagram clearer.

i think i should post my complete colonisation proposal, latter.

Well there are not martians there yet of seem to have ever existed unless they are bacteria.

Thanks

I concur in this one.

Well i mean basic pharmaceuticals, its nothing like anti-retrovirals or anything.

Here is a list of things that with a small lab but properly eqquiped with the right support could be produced:

acetaminophen
2-[4-(2-methylpropyl)phenyl]propanoic acid
acetylsalicylic acid
Diphenhydramine
Chlorphenamine
Bismuth subsalicylate
Pseudoephedrine
Chlorphenamine
Clotrimazole
Penicillin V
Amoxicillin
Ampicillin
Erythromycin
Tetracycline
Oxytetracycline
Metronidazole
Chloramphenicol
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole
ciprofloxacin
Adrenalin (hormone, may need to be extracted from cell culture as with antibiotics)
Insulin (hormone, may need to be extracted from cell culture as with antibiotics)

Any way the list is much longer, but i will formulate what would be needed for a sick bay, and most of them are based on benzene and require few chemical steps (eg:aspirin).

I disagree, if you have a colony of lets say 5000 to 10000 people and one of them gets cancer or something just as critical and the trip will take something like 40 days to 4 months to earth it would be better if you can produce and administer treatments there.

Anything like furniture, containers, packaging, buttons and so on (simple but practical structures, which a fabber equiped with a metal (aluminium, copper ans steel), glass, ceramic and plastic could produce (some dye feed could be required), nothing electronic or complex mechanics, think of it as the ikea fabber.

Yes it could, IMO a bamboo and tree farm will be essential in settlement colonies (not research).

Oh and we cant forget, when the colony is large enough they might need to set up a brewry (oh yeah martian alcohol)

Well fabbers can potentially now with modifications to the design lay down molten metal in a quite precise fashion, so in a ner future you could for example "print in 3d" out the frame, engine, and all other parts of a mars buggy with plastc bits and ceramics although ofcourse thare are some research to be done like appropiate scafolding substaces.

But matian industrual infrastructure could be self sustaning with the appropiate advances in a decade or so, but ofcourse its not going to be the future china.

I think it wil be a good idea if we brainstormed and worked the needed industry to make the planet selfsufficient and how to achive it the quickest.

I got some diagrams ive made on how a material flow would work on mars working from its atmosphere and regoith, including industrial processes and products, its ofcourse a diagram for frontier industry, just to makr the planet self sufficient nothing fancy (so no exporting as such) but it may be god enouh to create a basic internal economy.

One of the mayor challenges that will face humans in mars is the need to develop an industrial base so that they wont have to relly on imports from earth.

Tasks like mining, refining, food production and processing, metallurgy, chemical industry and most heavy industry will be the most straight foward, but more hightech industry like the vital electronics needed and medical supplies.

So i was thinking that the martian industry base will not be design to relly in huge machineries and production lines, but instead would focus in refinging substrates to be used in large idustrial grade fabbers (able to replicate themselfs)
http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page, designed to work with polymers, metals and ceramics.

They will be able to create most completed or almost completed equipment although some parts may require assembling, but this would greatly decrease the space needed, resources and specialist equipment for manufacture.

Electronics are more challenging, although right nowthere are fabber advances that will allow to print circuit boards, and other components like transistors, condensers and so on will be printed in speciallised fabbers although the actual shape may be modified to be more fabber friendly.
Things like proccessors, chip sets and hard drives are a bit more difficult but even right now there are advances towards that goal:

https://buffy.eecs.berkeley.edu/PHP/res … sid=100770

But mars may need to be prepared to be a few years behind in technology  or who knows maybe neccesity will help colonist make leaps in martian made electronics.

Any thoughts?

Oh no, ive eaten worm (some sort of earth worms) burgers and its quite tasty (like beef but not exactly).

Plus its quite versatile, and wormeries are different to soil, the bulk productions requires very little space, they can use as nutrients the non edible biomass production from farms and they are very higenic in industrial production.

What about the worm farms?

Why not chickens, they are tasty and require little space and are easy to keep.

But it would easier and more efficient to have vermiculture farms, the earthworm meat can then be proccesed into various meat products (burgers, corned"worm", worm sausages and etc..)

Plus worms could also be used to process colony waste.