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#651 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-26 13:36:53
Why would France be so vocal in its opposition? Threatening a veto? Learn from the actions of Turkey to understand what is going on.
Clark, make no mistake, the french position has nothing to do with the fact that they have sold weapons to Irak. The french support to Irak date form the time of the Iran/Irak war, maybe before. I ignore the reasons why the french government made agreement with Irak, maybe at that time Iran was a more frightening country than Irak.
Now, it's more like a general political, I would even say phylosophical, position, not particular to Irak, that France takes today to say that war is not the best way to resolve problems, in any cases. Maybe France, Germany and Russia had enough shit with wars that could explain their position.
Some people and some US media want to make you believe that the french position is a support to saddam Hussein. Mistake, it's not a support to this dictator, it's a position against war. To understand the french position you also need to undestand that in a french mind, money is not a "fin en soi". So for french minds, making money in weapon sales is not enough to justify today's France position. I don't know if an anglo saxon mind can understand this exotic and strange concept that money is not the ultimate goal of life.
So yes, France sold weapons to Irak but no, it's not for that reason that France is against war today.
...Unless France has something very bad to hide in Irak, like french made chemical weapons, neurotoxic or nuclear. This is also possible but I doubt. If this was the case, then I would consider that like a real support from the french government to Saddam Hussein and I would be very disapointed.
But to be more precise, in addition to the nuclear power plant now destroyed, I remember that France sold many Mirages F1 (now obsolete) with their armament to Irak. Now I think most of the Iraki's armament is russian made.
#652 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-26 12:03:57
Did you know that france is in line to receive 25% of all future oil contracts in Iraq? Did you know that this agreement is with the current regime. We talk of US interest of oil, then perhaps we need to look under the finger-nails of all paticipants in this charade. You might also take a look at French arm sales to Iraq, what do you think will happen to future french sales of arms in a US occupied Iraq?
We inherited this world, so we must make it work the best we can. Allowing a tyrant to rule is wrong, just as exploiting this situation for politcal gain is wrong. But still, this thing must be done, the world will not be safe until it is.
Well, it's not a mystery for french people that France sales weapons to different countries, Iraq included. France also build a nuclear reactor for Iraq, it's not a mystery, the Israeli blowed it anyway. France also provided the early Mirage III for Israel, which I think were greatly appreciated by the Israeli pilots.
It's just dirty bussiness guys ! It's just because when a country cannot afford hight US military technology or doesn't want for political reasons, to make bussiness with the US, then they have the choice for a couple of other countries.
By the way, talking about dirty bussiness, are you sure, the US never supported a so-called Bin laden before sept 11 ? are you sure the US never sold antipersonnal mines, which ussulaly kill more children than military ? and what is the position of the US towards the antipersonnal mines sale ? The US never sold weapons to tyrans either, yeah sure...
Dirty bussiness makes the money stinks. I agree. I wish that France would get rid off of this weapons market. I wish the US would do the same.
#653 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-26 08:44:42
I have a proposition: why not to ask Saddam to set up a democratic election, with the Iraki's opposants as candidates, in exchange of a redrawal of the US military forces ?
#654 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-25 16:41:58
But 2 and 4 are pretty much the opposite for me. The war is going to cost. It's going to cost an arm and a leg. Especially if the Iraqi's fight. And they might, especially if Saddam complies on everything of substence (which he will). And when Iraq does lose (they will, the might of US forces is simply too overwelming), there will merely be a whole lot of people who are pissed, all people ready to be recruited by terrorist cells. Such a situation is much more possible than people realize. Very much so. It scares me to think of how many people would become potential terrorist, especially since they could easily use American goodwill after the war to get close.
You're damn right and that's what I am afraid too. Beside, this is a Mars forum here, we have to be selfish, if all the money goes to the army, then nothing is left for us. I've heard some extravagant expectation of how the war could cost, like one trillion dollars ????
I don't know how to reach that number, maybe it was a completely fantasist evaluation. In my mind it doesn't take so much money to administratively rule a country, but I am a poor geek after all.
Zubrin would say that this is enough go to Mars every week end in a luxuous spaceship.
And then there is a risk of cold war between, grossly speaking, the whole occident against the rest of the world. We are back into the middle age ! G. W. Bush ask us to fight the great "Evils" lying in Holy Land, it was barely different when the pope asked to go in crusade to rescue the grave of the Christ, one thousand years ago. But if this is the case, forget Mars for a couple of years. We guys, gonna look like clowns when we ask money "to what ? to go to Mars ? ahahahahaha". In time war, asking money for Mars is like hunting without an accordeon, which is like going to war without the french, as you know.
#655 Re: Terraformation » What if there's life? - Should we terraform? » 2003-02-25 11:06:43
Damn, I almost wish we don't find any life on Mars and that it's a stone dead planet!
Why's that ? as said Soph, If there is life it's certainely not a florishing tropical jungle. But maybe quantity doesn't matter. In his book "The Martians" KSR mentions martian archaebacteria whose metabolism is so slow that they would look dead in earth standard. But those archae live thousands of years.
Also, we need to prove that's it's really a martian life. Even if earth gravity is superior to Mars, I guess that some big meteor impact could deliver a terran archae containing rock to Mars. If lucky enough to find a relatively warm spot on Mars, those archae could locally survive and they would constitute the first terran colony on Mars, and they would terraform Mars in good conditions.
Maybe Marsforming Earth or Terraforming Mars has been reciprocal that way as several occasions. Maybe it doesn't matter where Life comes from. Life is life, everywhere the same in essence.
In addition, a couple of probes have landed on Mars now , some might have carried encysted bacterial spores. Very resistant, these spores might survive the trip and the aerobraking.
To completely sterilize a probe like a Viking lander is very difficult in my opinion. Heating at 120 degre C for hours and/or gamma ray/UV irradiation would do the job, but as soon as you move the probe out of the oven and touch it, even with gloves, basically you can recontaminate it.
I doubt the sterilization process takes place while inside the rocket launcher, so, the probe is certainley microbes free at 99%, but not at 100%.
From what I know from Deinoccocus Radiodurans for example, this radiation resistant bacteria once on the Mars surface would not thrive like crazy, that I am sure, but it would not die either. I would be even more ironic to think that Deinoccocus's ancestor was actually a martian "bacteria" throwed on Earth billions of years ago and being back home again. I read that russian scientists have proposed this martian origin to explain the crazy metabolism of this bacteria. It was probably a provocative joke as there is no serious evidence for some exotic DNA code in Deinoccocus, but still, the idea is funny.
#656 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-24 20:01:36
But do I think the war in Iraq is justified?
Absolutely!
Do I think the means justify the end?
Yes!
By war, usually, people means an army against another army.
It's not that simple. Ms Rice and Mr Powell assumed it's gonna be like a blitzkrieg, 2 weeks max and then a quick american government will deal with the disorgenized country. Not everybody is convinced by that, but mostly, people are afraid of the consequences of this war in term of cost and political unstability.
Beside that, if you could give proofs of
1) the war will be quick and not too bloody for the Iraki's civilians
2) the post war administration won't be too expensive and not too long and not to bloody for the american administration.
3) The war won't degenerate into a widespread military conflict, even not a second COLD WAR with Russia + China
4) the islamic terrorism will stop, or will be reduced, after that war.
then, I think I could support the idea to make a military intervention in Irak to install a democratic government.
But then, I strongly request the same intervention against arabia saoudia, syria etc, all more or less fachist countries, to also install a democratic government. I tell you, there is no end to that story.
#657 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-24 18:54:06
Josh, you are in denial about everything from Saddam's ego to France's anti-Americanism, as my impartial sources (the New York Times, for God's sake!) have shown quite well. Ignoring them only proves your oblivion to the truth.
I'm pretty much going to ignore whatever else you post, it's not worth my time to discuss something with someone who is blind to the outside world.
Hi all, the French is back to destroy the anti-french uhmaricans in this list!
First of all, I was happy to watch a forum about Irak on CSpan last sunday. A perfect example of democracy I have to say. I think the forum was in Connecticut but I don't remember the name of the senator answering the questions from all the attendants.
It was basically the same kind of questions we can read on this forum. The recurant questions or issues were about the fear utilisation and information manipulation/ wrong concept of pre-emptive war / aftermath too expensive/ no real reason to go to war/ many references to Vietnam war from veterans/ etc. All this very well presented by american citizen, usually in very precise and specific questions asking for a specific answer.
However, the senator, as nice and polite as he was, gave no specific answers to those questions, maybe by lack of time. The "answer" was always the same : "we trust G Bush and we support his policy, amen" .
One Kurde and One Turk were invited, The Turc saying that the Kurde was manipulated (which was the feeling I had too), which again poses the question of how the information is presented.
Anyway, that forum shows that the "go to war" policy is far to be unanimous inside the USA themselves. Everybody is very uncertain and doubt about the truth of the issues presented by the US government.
Now, about what said Soph about anti-american french feelings, it's a little bit true. But who's fault ?
The french hate the kind of expensive and imperialist american arrogant behavior, but this antiamerican feeling, I think, disapeared a little bit with Bill Clinton. French Liked Bill Clinton. With Bill Clinton, in addition to some good fun time (...no comment...), we had PathFinder and Sojourner on Mars, the Stars and Stripes bright in the Martian sky, Yeah !! But now, The US show the essence of redneckism in the face of the world, a concentrate of uhmarican arrogance and uneducation, with a simple-at-heart cow-boy as a president, obviously manipulated by his staff. Well guys, I tell you something, you are not gonna recover from the anti-uhmarican feelings worldwide if you cannot give better answers than these:
"those americans who don't think like us, feel free to leave the country" I read that on this list.
"those who don't agree with us, you are anti-american un-patriotic communists !"
"the non american who don't support us are fags !" and so on.
#658 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-22 10:08:20
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"Though the CIA was all for it, the Clinton Administration refused to respond and the operation fell apart. So much for the Iraqi people deposing Saddam themselves. If we want Saddam dead without invasion, we have to assassinate him ourselves. Is that really more palatable, idealogically speaking, than an up-front attack?"[/quote:post_uid0]
Yes, I saw the show on history channel. The CIA missed a good oportunity here, but it's always easyer to remake history after it happened. Also I think that yes, it's more palatable to remove Saddam than an upfront attack. With gaz, like the russians used in their recent delivery of the hostages, a commando might actually neutralize Saddam whithout having to kill him. I strongly believe the commandos should not kill Saddam Hussein, but bring him alive in front of the international penal court (IPC) for his many crimes.
Like it or not, the world changes, Look at Milosevitch, he was a legally elected leader before, look at Ariel Sharon. Mr Sharon might have to face the international penal court for his past decisions. He might deny any war crimes, it's his right, but will see what happen.
In 10/20 years, who can be sure than GW Bush might not have to face himself the IPC because some wounded Iraki's civilian have access, ironically thanks to Bush himself, to the IPC ?
Yes the world changes. The leaders of the country have to be carefull now. A decision taken now legally can be considered irrelevant or illegal many years later.
"Whatever position anyone has on American military action in Iraq, American control will be a better political climate for the average Iraqi than the current regime. If American troops ever conduct themselves in the same manner as the Soviets in WWII I will renounce my US citizenship."
Don't be silly, I am pretty sure the US troops won't do it on purpose of course, but the iraki's soldiers might force them to shoot trough civilians. The US should not expect a Lord-of-the Ring-like situation with a simple decision to take. Remember, we are not in 1945, you don't need 200 thousands civilian casualties here, just a dozen of kids dismembred and carefully broadcasted world wide would have the same psychological effect.
If a policeman shoot a criminal through an hostage, and the policeman is not in danger himself, the policeman endorses responsability. If you are a US soldier and your superior ask you to shoot a missile and you know there are civilian below the target, what do you do ? refuse and take the risk of a martial court ? knowing that later on, the international mediatic pressure will grant your decision as being the right decision and forcing the US military autority to apologize ? Expect things like that rather than an childish situation.
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#659 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-21 08:50:33
How you ensure how/where/when you've got the real Saddam, requires spying and covert intelligence inside Iraq-- James Bond type stuff--tweezers instead of a club, in other words.
I am sure there is plenty of upset people in Saddam's entourage. Potential treators which could make possible a commnando operation "a la James Bond". I thought about other means to go to Bagdad than by helicopters or planes: "free fall" from high altitude stealth aircraft, tunnel undergound, submarines, etc.
But I am afraid the " prehistoric club" tactic will prevail. This primitive tactic can be pretty efficient: look at the russian invasion of Berlin in 1945. Just 200000 civilian casualaties, pfew, nothing...
#660 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-19 16:32:17
Yeah, but how will you know if you got the real Saddam?
good question. I saw a software (History Channel maybe ?) able to compute saddam facial mensuration. From that it ressorts that the real saddam has never been seen in public for years ! all the public appearances are the result of his 19 sosies.
The answer is clear, we need a "Brutus", a spy close enough to saddam to be able to say it's him and to alert the commando operation to be ready. Some of his military staff tried an attentat in the past, it failed but this shows that Saddam has many close ennemies.
Maybe his own son (Brutus again) could, volontarly or not, indicate where saddam is. Follow the son, you get the father. That and some basic electronic spying, even if that guy never uses a phone personnaly, somebody has to do it for him.
#661 Re: Water on Mars » Lakes on Mars today?! - What could they be? » 2003-02-19 09:38:27
sorry for the joke, just forget it...
*Can't forget something I didn't "get"...what's the joke?
--Cindy
You're not kidding me right ?, I was refering to Colin Powell "proof of mass ..."
Again, just a joke.
I didn't refer at all to the pictures from rgcarnes since I havn't seen them. Maybe they really indicate liquid water, I cannot say.
#662 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-18 22:45:53
Hi
after I watched Fox Tv this morning, I think I'm not gonna be tough any more with CNN. Compared to Fox, CNN is a bunch of sissy communists, as they would also call the french, a "nation in decline".
Seems that evebody loose its temper.
I also saw the show on History Channel tonight about Saddam Hussein biography. He seems a serious psychopat, very well capable to use his own people as human shield. I wonder how the US troops gonna deal with that when they gonna attack because of course they gonna attack, want it or not.
The "after Irak" seems even more problematic. The cost to administrate Irak would be...half of the ISS. I also learned about an attempt to "neutralize" Saddam by a CIA agent, but the attempt failed.
I still stick to the conviction that a quick commando operation to hidjack Saddam Hussein would have been the best option, with no army invasion. Look at the recent russian operation with the hostages in the opera, it was almost a success given the situation. But of course the main ingredient for a successfull commando operation is the effect of surprise...I doubt we can beneficiate of this advantage right now.
#663 Re: Terraformation » microwaving Mars » 2003-02-18 18:08:54
Hi all,
I have another idea for the crazy terraformers:
Mars is full of ice, it should be possible to use the Mars natural satellites as a base for a huge microwave generator cocentrating the radiation to the poles or, alternativelly, It should be possible to create a very dilute plasma surrounding Mars, like a ionosphere. This Plasma should be excited and put into vibration, at the right wavelenght it would reemit a microwave background radiation baking Mars. In this case, if the re-emission is in all directions and not focused in the poles, I am afraid the martians would have to be protected from being cooked.
My engineering background is not good enough to describe a klystron or magnetron, stuff that are needed to produce the electromagnetic vibration and I have no idea how to install such a generator on Phobos or Deimos. But some of you guys have crazy ideas.
The general idea is that a plasma surrounding Mars, a ionosphere, by its own volume, could grab much more solar energy as would do an orbiting mirror, even if the gaz is very dilute, it could be heated or excited by the solar UV at thousands of C. the question is how to concentrate or focuse this energy to warm Mars. I thought about an Infrared/thermic re-emission or a microwave background, any idea ?
#664 Re: Water on Mars » Lakes on Mars today?! - What could they be? » 2003-02-18 17:43:56
It looks like somebody else is not convinced by "proof of photographic evidence of presence of mass"... liquid water.
sorry for the joke, just forget it...
#665 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-17 11:37:42
Perhaps this action though will spare more lives. Perhaps it will prevent cities from being vaporized. Perhaps might will make right.
In the end though, I think we all will pay a far higher price for what we do now, than if we waited.
Sad reallity I agree.
For The USA, this war on terror, like it is called in the media, has costed a lot in lives and money and unfortunatly I am not sure we are safer now than before.
Probably many AlQuaida soldiers have been neutralized in Afganhistan, yes, but how many have been created in the mind of young muslims in the same laps of time ?
Ms Rice said yesterday that it is an emergency to go to war, the sooner the better, why's that ? all the Bush administration should think about how to get out the trap, how to recover from that bad situation and how to change the mind of the hurted people instead to focuse about the best way to go to war. It's gonna be easy to invade, sure, after that, we do we do ? duh...
I mean, you don't think that because the US give money to Spain or Turkey, the people love the US right ? Don't even think that a big US money compensation or help to a future invaded Irak will transform the minds.
For example, after Sept 11, the Saoudis offered 10 millions $ to New York for "reparation", which Gulliani refused politely because He was smart enough to recognize the money was stinking. Yop, money does not rule the world, ideas rule the world.
#666 Re: Terraformation » Water, not CO2 - Bad for terraformers? » 2003-02-17 10:41:03
Hi all,
Since Mars is full of water, would it be possible to install huge Microwave generators on Phobos or Deimos to slowly warm the ice on Mars, orbit after orbit ?
Everybody knows that microwave cooking is crap so I am afraid the martians would feel a little bit like a turkey in the oven, so If we cannot direct the microwave flux on the poles, the martians there would have to be protected from the Deimos passage of top of their head.
#667 Re: Terraformation » Venus / Mars » 2003-02-17 10:30:43
In any event, we just have to go about our business on the assumption that things will remain much as they are now. If we were to base all our planning on the assumption that a major disaster could befall us any minute, I guess we'd just huddle together in the basement, hold hands, and wait for armageddon!
In other words, I think we have to be optimistic and hope for the best.
Sure, but the thread was about terraforming Venus versus Mars.
Mars seems just to wait for it while Venus is a hell of a planet to terraform, impossible in my opinion.
About the sun stability, I am not convinced that small scale changes are impossible in our human span life. I am not talking about end of the world here, just significant climatic impact. The "small Ice Age" during middle age for example, might have been cause by such a small solar fluctuation. What would happen with the reverse, I mean a small increase of solar imput on top of the already globally warming earth: Certainly a big ecological impact but not the end of the world.
Just better for Mars.
#668 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-16 17:36:01
dickbill, I think you hit it right on target, for the most part.
Thanks Josh, of course I cannot be right on everything. But it's not difficult for me, french living in the US, to have a different point of view of my fellow american friends.
Now NATO get involved in Turkey's defence, big mistake IMO. You would like to trigger the war you wouldn't act differently. I am glad France is not involved in that decision. Really, what are the chance the aweakened Iraki's army could successfully invade Turkey now. In other time, because of the Kurdes problem, they would like it maybe, but not now. That would be a suicide attack. Irak has NO reason to invade Turkey. Invading Turkey is just what all the US is waiting for to go to war, this, or a terrorist attack in the US and BOOM. But maybe the Irakis are dumb after all, maybe they gonna attack Turkey.
#669 Re: Terraformation » Venus / Mars » 2003-02-16 10:58:34
Though I'm hopeful that any significant change in the Sun's output will be extremely gradual and therefore negligible for many millions of years yet!
Hi shaun,
maybe yes maybe not. Do we have any certitude that the sun couldn't start to fluctuate a little bit, as soon as in 10 years for example ?
Our model of the sun tells us that the sun is stable for billions of years, I've heard that a slightly hoter sun is expected only in 500 millions years , but stable at what scale in terms of output ?
Is a 0.5 % output fluctuation is predictidable in that model ? and what could be the impact on our planet ? Certainly bad for us and disastrous for any terraformed Venus.
#670 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-16 10:39:12
Hi all,
Not only is the US splitted on the subject but the effects of the Iraki's crisis are going to seriously impact the European Union.
The behavior of UK in particular, shows how they can easily split the EU. I think the UK's weight in the european political decisions is going to be seriously reduced after that.
Italy and Spain position is only a later alignment as opposed to England which pushed the USA in the trap they are now.
Obviously, the US couldn't be so strongly engaged with thousands of troops in Irak without the english support. This, plus the initial refusal of England to integrate the european money, I think more european people will think that england is not a good european partner.
Also, about Turkey, they have been refused to enter the EU recently because they don't comply to economic and political requirements. I can hear today that Turkey has accepted 60 billions $ from the US, as a result of the Iraki's threat at their borderline, if its true, it's not good either for Turkey ambitions in the UE, as you cannot accept money from a non-european party to comply to the EU economical requirements. This shows that Turkey distrusts its european partners. This too, will seriously decrease Turkey's credibility in the European Union.
So all in all, this crisis revealed a lot of problems which might change the face of the UN, but also the face the EU.
#671 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-15 16:10:35
China will most likely take Taiwan back via economic assimilation. Many of their industries are already moving to China. Give it time.
yes, that the least worst situation. When China get rich and prosperous, which I hope because those guys had some really bad time in the past, they are not anymore gonna think about war. Call me naive if you want.
#672 Re: Terraformation » Venus / Mars » 2003-02-15 11:29:54
Another point to prefer terraforming Mars is how's gonna be the sun in the future ?, maybe unstable, maybe hot enough that you don't want to stay too close like in Venus.
As little as 1% increase of sun output would be bad for a globally warming earth, so imagine Venus.
#673 Re: Not So Free Chat » A nuclear event - Do you expect one in your lifetime? » 2003-02-15 11:17:15
my answer:
1. Yes, you're very certain there will be a nuclear event in your lifetime.
because I am 39, chances are that in 20 /30 years some criminal or terrorist organizations, not necesseraly countries, will use a nuclear device like a dirty bomb.
For a classical nuclear conflict I am less sure, but as the world get older, chances increase. Like a radioactive element, the nuclear equilibrium is unstable. soon or later, it has to desintegrate. I don't believe in this equilibrium by terror.
In 20 years we've got North Corea, India, Pakistan, China, that's a lot of unstable elements.
I just hope that this possible nuclear conflict will stay local and limited, being instantly reproved by the UN, no, not by G.W.Bush III (third king of the american hereditary monarchy).
#674 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-15 08:35:50
Hi all,
it seems to me that whatever the US choose to do now, they gonna lose. Sad to say that their best option is almost to go to war to be able to show the world some old skud missiles containing some traces of innervant gazes and excedding 20 feet the allowed range.
But even that won't be enough to recover in the world's opinion.
And it's dangerous, the smallest collateral dammage will be covered by all media worldwide. Which will make the US even more detestable for the world, but at this point...that's not gonna make a big difference. It's all Bush fault, he managed this affair very poorly.
Caltech is right on many things but I think he misses the point: right now, going to war has nothing to do with weapons, Saddam, or even terrorism. The US just try to save the face and prove the bien-fonde of their action but it's gonna be difficult. They see that they lost against the world opinion, not even against an army. That's a terrible camouflet for Bush and his gang.
About the french's sales of weapons to Irak, it's absolutely true, but again CAltech, you miss the point, this has nothing to do with france''s position today. I's just an anti war, anti US imperialism position. It's like saying that because the US have supported Osama Bin Ladden in the past they continue to do it now. France would probably sale weapons to any country, that's just bussiness. Dirty bussiness, maybe, but french didn't invent it, nor that they are the best in it.
#675 Re: Not So Free Chat » President Bush - about bush » 2003-02-14 18:27:24
War, no war, now we gonna pay the price, here in the US. I
hope that Bush has a plan to recover from the huge anti-american feelings that he has created worldwide.
That feeling can feed terrorism inside the US territory for decades now and in a much much worst extent than before sept 11.
So again, congratulation Mr George Bush Jr, not only your administration has been incompetent to fix the OBL/sept.11 problem, but now it is worst than before:
Now we are supposed to tape our windows here in New York ?! the hell if I do that ! what's next ? Is that gonna be like in Israel ? Is that supposed to be an improvement ?
And what are Bush conseillors thinking about , Gorgonzolla Rice and Collin Power ? I think their own political carrier that's all they think about. They play their own role like in a movie, just the way they walk or talk, you could think it's Denzel Washington in the last triller.
Thanks to all those guys, Saddam and, let's face it, Osama Bin laden, are becommming heros of the muslim world.
What to do now ? nuclear carpet all the arabs, china, russia, france and germany ?