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Well unless you die young, you'll wake old, so where's the sense in that! lol I suppose we might see age reversal technology in due course, but then it would be weird to have old memories in a young body...
Still, to stay on topic - I think ashes on the moon will be attractive for sentimental reasons: a comfort for loved ones left behind to look at the Moon and know some part of them is there.
Something like that will help kickstart lunar development as you will need a permanent base to service the necropolis.
Tom Kalbfus wrote:What is the use of burying ashes on the Moon? Ashes don't carry the information necessary for reconstituting the person later on, a person frozen in liquid nitrogen perhaps has this information. Space can be cold, a frozen body stored in the right place can remain frozen for a long time without power generation necessary to keep it frozen.
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I don't see much use in storing ashes on space, this would be much better!
Aging is a disease that awaits a cure! That is my take on it. Why does the human body self destruct? Fin d out why and we can fix it perhaps.
Radiation would continue to damage the frozen body, so you would have to keep it under the surface of something very cold.
It would damage the DNA, not so much the cellular structure, which is what determines who you are. The DNA information can be encoded elsewhere, more securely.
No one reached Iceland until the Vikings arrived there, they found no native inhabitants other than themselves!
Being a Globalist is impractical as the Globe won't listen to you, If I was in charge of the globe, I'd have Putin arrested for murder, but unfortunately there is no real World Government to impose law and order World wide, we can only elect the government of a single nation. I think having leaders that live in the real world is preferable to those who want to pretend to be in charge of the entire globe when they are not!
Maine GOP Gov. LePage Claims Non-Citizens Could Have Voted. He is telling state legislators he'll rubber-stamp their election certifications despite his concerns about the accuracy of the state's official results. Maine's election isn't in question and he hasn't received complaints regarding the integrity of it. This echo's Trumps claim that they cast there votes for Hillary and that he won the popular vote due to this action.....
Along with the previous races that are part of the swing states that are being recounted there could be some other states that will be doing recounts for the same voter fraud that Trump has claimed....
Trump promised the Carrier to be able to keep there business here in the states and touted his new deal to keep at least 1,000 U.S. jobs. Yet workers at another of the company's Indiana plants said they are still losing their jobs. With Sarah Palin Saying Trump's Carrier Deal Could Be 'Crony Capitalism' "When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent," and not to meantion a conflict of interest if he does indeed own stock in the company....
The next Trump's pick for Defense Marine General James Mattis, has been Accused of Delaying Aid to Wounded Soldiers by A former Army Special Forces officer and his actions, which were not formally investigated at the time, are now likely to get far more scrutiny during the retired general's Senate confirmation process.
Do you want to keep the jobs in the United States or not? The reason that company was leaving was because of high taxes, by lowering those taxes we get to save those jobs, are you against that? Anyway Trump was acting as a private citizen making promises to the company of what he would do as President.
Also why not hold this president responsible for results instead of trying to set up road blocks for him to get the people he wants working for him? James Mattis is a General, generally you want someone in charge who knows what he is doing, so soldier don't end up getting killed unnecessarily. Putting amateurs or professors in charge of the Military is a bad idea!
What is the use of burying ashes on the Moon? Ashes don't carry the information necessary for reconstituting the person later on, a person frozen in liquid nitrogen perhaps has this information. Space can be cold, a frozen body stored in the right place can remain frozen for a long time without power generation necessary to keep it frozen.
I don't see much use in storing ashes on space, this would be much better!
2% growth in the economy makes it harder to retire without making someone else poorer. The Obama Administration has a record of unusually slow growth in the economy and a declining standard of living, if society gets poorer, it becomes harder to retire! What the Democrats wanted you think was that this slow growth was inevitable, that there was nothing they could do about it, so they'll cut larger slices of the economy for you at someone else's expense. What Trump is arguing is if the economy grows faster, everyone benefits, the poor and the rich alike, that is the way an economy should run, it should not be a zero-sum game where Obama supposedly takes from the rich to hand out welfare benefits to the poor. The Uber-rich he did not touch, especially if they could make contributions to Obama and his friends, and exchange, he works out some exceptions for them, while taxing the middle rich so they don't rise up and compete with the Uber-rich.

Native American
Mongolian
Chinese person
They don't look the same.
Latin America was colonized by Spain and Portugal, both are European countries, and just like in North America, those places south of here were inhabited by Native Americans. The Spanish Colonists were spread out over a larger area than their British counterparts, it Brazil it was Portuguese colonists.
Yes some of the Native American's ancestors came from Asia, but not all, some of their ancestors came from Europe, that is why their eyes look rounder that the pictures of the Mongolian and Chinese person, and this all happened during the last ice age. You heard of the Clovis Point People perhaps? During the last ice age North American was full of immigrants, some from Asia and some from Europe, over time they blended together so they look neither like Europeans or Asians today. That process is again happening in North America today.
This image shows one possible way that the Moon could be terraformed.
In principle this version of the Moon is not that much different from the Stanford Torus as shown in this picture.
Both are space stations, both have ceilings which hold in atmosphere, while one uses centrifugal force for gravity, the other uses gravity for gravity.
One could hold up the ceiling over the Moon using inflatable towers like these:
I suppose these towers would extent beyond the ceilings into space and cables would extend downward to distribute the weight of the ceiling, such as in a suspension bridge, but air pressure underneath would also lighten the load, the cable system is just a back up and can hold the ceiling in place until we build up a substantial atmosphere to carry this weight. Venus or perhaps a comet would be a source of nitrogen for this atmosphere.
I don't think we will find life on the Moon, I think it would pay off better to send laboratories to the Moon, than to bring Moon Rocks back here! So a sample return mission, you must pick which samples to return, and upon return to Earth, you can only study those samples! But a laboratory on the Moon can study as many samples as you like. In fact we can effectively put scientists on the Moon without even sending them there! The Moon is close enough to establish a virtual presence on the moon with slow reflexes in teleoperated robots due to the light time delay., but I think AI and GPS systems are sophisticated enough, that if a scientist indicates to pick up a rock, the robot can figure out how to do that competently without direct control by the operator. I think we can build stuff on he Moon with teleoperated semiautonomous robots. You could establish a virtual labor force on the Moon by sending robots there and not worrying about how to bring them back to Earth. If a lander does not include an ascent stage, the extra mass brought to the moon instead could be a bunch of teleoperate robots an equipment. We can build a base by remote control and when we're finished, we can send humans there, this is much easier to do on the Moon than on Mars.
"He hasn't done anything yet. I don't think it is fair to criticize someone's job performance as President before he is President."
-- actually, yes he has. He has chosen as his closest advisors mostly people who want to do the things Trump promised us he would not do, during the campaign.
Which puts him at near-100% verifiable lies. Worse actually than Clinton with her verifiable 50% lies.
Either of them would be disastrous as president, but I think he will be the worst of the two.
GW
Do you actually know any of these people? I think it doesn't matter what people Trump has chosen, you are just going to say they are the wrong people! Trump says, he'll make America Great Again, he is promising 4% growth in the economy, what's the matter, don't you like 4% growth? That is double the growth of any year during the Obama Administration! I think Presidents ought to be judged by results, and results haven't come in yet, if the 4% growth fails to materialize, then you can criticize Donald Trump! By criticizing him before he actual is President, you are only showing your bias against him!
Bottom line is, North America is a North European country in terms of ethnicity and cultural outlook. Mexico is an asiatic ethnicity. People of different ethnic backgrounds (race if you prefer) tend to form different nations and tend to be suspicious of each other. Basically, the less two peoples have in common ethnically, the more difficult it becomes for them to see each other as countrymen. That is quite deeply engrained within us, basically human evolution at work. It is why the English and Scottish are able to reluctantly form a common nation, but the asian communities in Britain form insular third world colonies. They are different people, they think differently, look different and their outlook and priorities in life are different. For these reasons it would be much easier for Canada and the US to achieve an act of union than it would for Mexico and the US. They are similar peoples. Ethnic divisions breed suspicion, conflict and hatred. The best way to avoid that is to respect the fact that they are different, that nature made them that way and keep them separate. Good fences make good neighbours.
Gee, I didn't know that Spain was an Asian country!
There are a lot of Mexicans in the United States, a lot of them are here illegally, they sneak across the borders, so it seems they don't like their country so much, as they are leaving it. I figure a merger between our two countries would save them the trouble of sneaking across our borders and living in the shadows. They want legal status, I say the price for this is that Mexico becomes part of the United States, a lot of Democrats would just like to give away legal status for free to anyone who sneaks across the border, that is what I call a bad deal! If the Mexicans want to be Americans so badly, then we should give it to them, if not, they have no business being in our country! But we should give nothing away for free, if Mexicans want to come and go as they please, then they should become a part of the United States, that way as United States citizens, no one will harass them.
Tom Kalbfus wrote:What does climate change have to do with our ability to produce methane from Earth's carbon-dioxide?
The point is 400 ppm = 0.04%. That's not much. It would take significant time to collect enough CO2 to produce fuel to fill the rocket. Producing propellant faster requires larger, heavier equipment. If you want to carry cargo, then you are restricted how much equipment mass. If you keep equipment mass down to the same size as ERV, then you will produce propellant at the same rate.
By the way, Mars Colonial Transport uses Raptor engines with LCH4/LOX. Falcon 9 uses Merlin engines with RP1/LOX.
You don't need to get CO2 from the atmosphere, you can burn stuff to get it, just bring along a multi-fuel furnace, that will burn wood, coal, gasoline, the carbon fuel of your choice, the result is carbon dioxide plus heat, the heat can power the process, and you get as much carbon dioxide as you need to make methane out of. Most of the Earth's surface is covered with vegetation that will burn!
Didn't see Cherokee either, but the name of that language might have been something else.
On my Dad's side from Depression and WW2 era Oklahoma, I had relatives who very first birth certificate records were obtained after the fact in 1942 so they could go to work in the defense plants. Before that, such records were generally not kept in Oklahoma.
They all swore to each other's heritage. Most wanted to avoid being "Indian" at all costs, because of the stigma about it in that time and place. However, a lot of them looked the part, since genetics "will out", as they say. My paternal grandmother looked full-blood Cherokee, even though she really wasn't.
I did have one great aunt who had two birth certificates. I have copies of them both. One says she was a "white woman", the other says she was an "Indian born in Indian territory". Both seem to be valid public records, near as I can tell.
Just goes to show, I guess.
GW
There is not much stigma for Indians except that left over from those old Western Movies, Hollywood doesn't make them anymore! You ever meet a Commanche by any chance? Of all the Indian Tribes, the Commanche had the most brutal reputation.
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This is a topic which is being generated from the politics topic to talk about what could be a great country made up of the 3 nations which are on the North American Continent... Ya I might be dreaming but lets see if we can make a good discusion of what stopping it from happening...
Granted I started it from deportation talks but when we are unified if it ever happened what would we need to change to make such a union work....
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GW wrote:The entire southwestern US and California were once part of Mexico. The US obtained them by conquest. That means Mexico IS here, inherently, in a major part of our country today. The US government then made promises to the indigenous inhabitants of those regions about them retaining their land holdings, which it immediately broke, turning them into second- or third-class citizens. They were actually lucky at that, they could have suffered the genocide the Indians suffered. The ones in what is now New Mexico fared the best. California, Arizona, and by a different path Texas, fared the worst. The problem with illegal immigration from Mexico into the US is two-fold: (1) a disparity in economic health of the two nations that makes the US look like a better prospect for poor folks trying to make a living
So first problem Identified is how do we stop the creation of second and third class citizens as a result of such a nation forming?
GW wrote:My own attitude is more like that of the first wave of Anglo settlers to Texas when it was still part of Mexico in the 1820's (and I chose that attitude, it was not what I was taught). They fitted in with the locals, who were very good people. It was a mix of Anglo settlers and local Mexicans who conducted the 1835-1836 war for independence from Santa Anna's Mexico, and only because they felt they had to.
I can see both nation doing this same gradual mixing as some americans like it hot and some like it a bit cooler.....
Tom Kalbfus wrote:I thought it was a lovely picture, quite colorful, not disrespectful at all I'd say. But we're the United States of America, not Mexico, unless Mexico wants to join our Union. I'd rather have all of it or none of it.
I would agree Tom you did do it justice so lets move to the next part of the quote of all or nothing...
To me its not a take over its an agreed upon union by all parties that must happen as voted for by the people and strengthened by law.
Tom Kalbfus wrote:You see if Mexico is a part of the United States of America, they won't be taking the Southwest back, and Mexicans can then come and go as they please! Wouldn't you like that?
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Would you like this to be a map of the New United States of America? Canada is welcome to join as well or course, unless they don't like Mexicans!Nice map of the Mexican States ... sure would make for a very large nation....
On the plus side RobertDyck
would be able to work on Nasa contracts and possibly lead an expedition to Mars if all went well......
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I found that the amount of native languages spoken was greater than I had imagined....
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Some more maps for the collection....
I think I counted 40 more states if we added both Mexico and Canada, the Mexican states were hard to count, some of those states were quite tiny, and their borders were convoluted, and in addition some Mexican states are completely surrounded by other Mexican states, I don't know who drew those borders, but under the US Constitution, each one of those new states would get 2 US Senators and at least one House of Representatives Congressman, that means under a Presidential election, each one of those new states would have at least 3 electoral votes. The Electoral College would make Canada a more conservative place than it is now, because it wouldn't be quite so dominated by its cities as it is now. I wonder what Canadian "flyover country" would be like Nunavut would get three electoral votes, would the Eskamos like that? I wonder how conservative or liberal the native indigenous people of Canada would be. As for Mexico, they have a lot of tiny states down south, each one of those little states would get 3 electoral votes minimum. How would that change the piolitics of the Mexico region?
The dome you are talking about would require 200,000 tonnes of fused silica glass and would enclose an area just under 2 acres. Do you really think this is a practical suggestion?
A slight variation on your scheme would be a dome of about the same size constructed from cast basalt blocks and then covered with regolith to a depth of 5m. This is still a major undertaking as you still need to move 200,000 tonnes of loose material onto your structure. It won’t be at all transparent either, but then again, how transparent would 5m of silica glass be? Per unit volume of habitable space it requires moving only about half as much material as excavating a habitat underground. The bigger the dome is, the more efficient in terms of moved material per cubic metre of habitable volume.
Most of that 200,000 tones would come from the Moon itself, we just need the ability to make the silica glass from the silicates on the Moon, the idea is to let natural sunlight in, and glass is transparent. How transparent is 5 meters of glass?
How transparent is air? You don't want the glass to be completely transparent, because you don't want all the harmful rays of the Sun to get through either. The Earth's atmosphere filters out some of these rays, and what's the point of being on the moon if you are surrounded by opaque walls that you can't see through when you get there?
As a historical sidebar note, rocket troops halfway around the world was the original purpose of the Saturn 5 when von Braun started designing and proposing it to his Army employers, before there ever was a NASA. (Saturn-1 started out as a big, heavy bomb-flinger.)
The troopship rocket was supposed to be a one-way shot to Russia for 100 men per rocket. Second wave after ICBM's delivered LSD-25 bombs. The Russians wake up after 3 days of watching hallucinogenic "pretty colors" to find a US occupation army in place.
No, it wasn't a practical idea back then, either. But a few generals supported him enough that he had most of a giant rocket design available when NASA formed and hired him and his Operation Paper Clip crew, and they already had some Saturn-1 stuff in early testing.
By the time JFK told them to go for the moon, the Saturn rocket technologies were mostly there, or in later-stage development work.
GW
The Saturn V rocket couldn't land however and be reused, you'd be throwing away a billion dollars to send 100 troops somewhere without support, the rocket that got them here would be scrap. The ability to land and reuse rockets means they could be used like airplanes and helicopters for troop deployment and extraction! Remember that airliner that got shot down over the Ukraine? Malasian Airline, what if those passengers flew in space over Ukraine in a rocket instead? Don't think the rebels had asat weapons.
I think for a Lunar Hotel, you might want to use glass, glass is 2.4 to 2.8 tons per cubic meter, and you need 10 meters of water to provide the same protection against cosmic rays as the Earth's atmosphere provides. I think 5 meter thick glass panes should suffice. Glass is transparent to visible light, but enough of it will still stop cosmic rays. One could make a dome that is 100 meters across out of glass that is 5 meters thick, and it would make a nice hotel that lets in sunshine, while carefully screening out the UV, x-rays, and other harmful rays. 5 meters of glass should do it. The chemical formula for glass is SiO2 and the Moon has plenty of those elements Each column of glass that is 1 meter by 1 meter by 5 meters would weigh 14 tons, which on the Moon would weigh 2.24 tons, standard air pressure at sea level is 10 tons per square meter, so a rigid frame of steel would have to hold those glass blocks in place against internal air pressure. Most of the construction material would have to be fabricated on the Moon out of local materials.
Fuel production is not that important if you don't go into orbit. If you shorten your distance enough, you could have enough fuel to make two trips, and you can avoid the problem of traveling through other country's airspaces for that portion of the journey in which you are above the atmosphere.
Suppose you wanted to supply or send troops to Afghanistan, but Iran and Pakistan refuse to allow you to fly through their airspace. You send a rocket instead over their airspace, and there is not thing they can do to stop up, unless they want to start a war by violating he outer space treaty.
What does climate change have to do with our ability to produce methane from Earth's carbon-dioxide? So long as we have some, it should be enough. The point is the rockets are reusable, so we can talk about doing things in space that were previously unthinkable. You could have passenger liners with reusable rockets, that vertically take off and land somewhere else. Going above the atmosphere should be faster than air travel. I think rockets would be an excellent way to deliver fighter-drones that provide air cover for our rapidly deployed rocket troops! Would we really need air craft carriers anymore? Why not just go with an aerospace force?
The ability to land a rocket and then reuse it adds a military dimension to space. Imagine what you can do with a rocket that can fly halfway around the world, land on its tail, and then extend a hose into a nearby body of water, and with a nuclear reactor, convert that water, plus some carbon-dioxide into methane, liquefy it and then take off again! Imagine deploying rocket troops this way! This would be a rapid reaction force. Now imagine some larger rockets landing and unloading tanks, refueling and then flying back to get some more. Would this make aircraft carriers obsolete?
Will rockets replace airplanes? if you have rockets, who needs helicopters, why do you need runways? Rockets don't need them!
He hasn't done anything yet. I don't think it is fair to criticize someone's job performance as President before he is President.

Perhaps it might look something like this.
A lot of the stealth is compromised when you put weaponry under the wings, and if you don't it is compromised as soon as you open the weapons bay doors. So you could sneak up on someone (provided they didn't have modern IR detection equipment) but you cant say "Boo".
What if you just put a bomb inside of it and had it explode unmanned?
if the Moon has water, it would be a great place to build a space station. The Moon has the same availability of Solar Energy as does the Earth, it is in near real time communication with the Earth, you can control robots on the Lunar Surface from the Earth, you could even build a lunar habitation by remote control using teleoperated robots from the Earth. The robots we have these days are fairly capable, the technology in autonomous cars could be used to great effect on the Moon, and you could get a lot done. I'd say build a home on the Moon using teleoperated robots and when its finished, you can send people there. There might even be a market for such a place based on real estate values and the unique experience of Lunar gravity. The first step may be to build a Lunar hotel near the north or south poles of the Moon, the sell tickets to get there and for stays at the hotel. With abundant water, it would be cheaper to build in ground swimming pools and other standard features of hotels.