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In this case bigotry sustains life the other option does not.Life is our greatest gift.

I hate Michigan!

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My buddy made a 14 inch scope years ago and we could see the comets marks on Jupiter after the collision. They looked like periods on the end of a sentence............................Were were amazed because we knew if just one of those spots were here on Earth we would all be gone.

If it can prevent courses like this being offered at our colleges for my kids then I am all for it.

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Folks I disagree with Errorist but still I do not believe calling someone a Moron or mentally unbalanced is really the best way to have a Forum.

I love being called names.GCN he is my buddy!!!

The water makes it near the surface like the Earths Magma makes it to Earths surface. A simple thermometer will prove it. The mud is muddy water mixed with methane gas. Geothermal, chemical reaction and tidal forces add up to keep it warm just under the surface. The warmth causes the vapor to seep up from the soil thus creating Titans atmosphere.

Deprived? No, try depraved... continuing to "believe" in somthing like this when there is clear, rational evidence to the contrary... in this case, we know the surface temperature from IR and we know it cannot be much different below ground because a few centimeters of soil cannot insulate very well... is a clear indication that Errorist is:

Sorry you respectfully disagree with me GCN they say those are blocks of water ice with methane gas mixed in. So you say the soil is not that great of an insulator. I say how do you know that it is not?  What if the soil is mica,asbestos or kyanite  these are great insulators and would allow water to stay liquid near the surface with just the smallet amount of geothermal energy or tidal forces? BTW your insults do not phase me. I still like you.

There is mud there according to the information from the probe that did break through the thin layer of ice. A thermometer should have been incorporated with that probe. It would have been simple to build even if it was not needed but just incase there was a muddy subsurface like they found. It would have been worth the extra money in this case.There are enough tidal forces to keep things liquid under the surface. Titan is many times larger than Io and Europa and is not that much farther out in orbit than Europa is around Jupiter. So,the tidal forces should be suffecient to keep water liquid under the surface just as it does on Europa.The tidal forces alone should have rung a bell in the scientists minds and caused them to think. What if?  :rant:

5 years ago I said this so now it is just 15 years

Or they just forgot to do it. A simple lollypop themometer would have worked. They could have taken a picture of the reading with the camera.Very simple and very cheap. I would have donated the $30.00 to do so.

GCN,
Sorry you respectfully disagree with me.  But, making such a probe would have been easy to do. I disagree with you. The three hundred pound probe would have been just the right weight to drive such a probe into the ground. And if the temperature is warm under that thin layer of ice then it could  prove geothermal energy is there. Sorry GCN. 

Okay, whining over grainy dark pictures is one thing... but this? now you are just coming up with crap to whine about just so you can.

Not at all. I just think esa is not worthy of being in the same class as JPL right now. Plain and simple. We do it better.....
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The exhaust could superheat the engine coolant and run the turbine. After it has done the work it could be condensed and returned back to the radiator.