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Ah, forgive me, how easily one forgets. Stuart arrived on the afternoon of the second day along the Harrisburg Road. Nonetheless, if the cavalry had strayed so far to the southeast during the third day, I seriously doubt whether Stuart could have known if and when Lee had decided for a frontal attack and been able to make his reappearence in a timely fashion to catch the Union rear as Pickett's charge went in.
Wow, and I who thought the charge of Custer's Michigan Brigade only happened in a movie with Erroll Flynn!
No seriously, it's interesting, but combining the attacks of Pickett and Stuart in such a way and have the latter show up at precisely the right moment sounds like a fantastic gamble to me. Heck, we're talking huge distances here, anything could have went wrong with such a plan. Sorry, but therefore it actually sounds like a pretty lousy one to me. What if Stuart had run into the VI Corps (placed in reserve behind the Union line)? The position of Stuart must have been at least 10 kilometers away from Cemetery Ridge. I fail to see how his cavalry division could have made it in an hour, Custer or no Custer.
Actually, how did they coordinate it at all? I was of the impression that Lee had no contact with Stuart throughout the battle.
Anyway.
Usually according to me, the Confederates lost the victory the moment Ewell's II Corps failed to assault the Union right flank during the Afternoon of the first day. Since then the Federals occupied a very strong position along Cemetary Ridge with an army of what, 80 000 to Lee's 50 000?
Or should we say the decisive moment was Longstreet's attack on the round top on July 2, just to make it more interesting.
They have bodyguards nowadays, well not members of parliament but government ministers, well known political brass and the like. Still, the high ranking social democrat Mrs Anna Lindh was assassinated the other year by a vengeful Serbian immigrant because of her support of the USAF bombings in 1999.
By the way, what's the problem with free medicare? It's a service function if you ask me. People are little machines producing wealth, so if you have healthy people it will benefit the economy. Not very unlike the pistons of a steamtrain that occasionally needs greasing.
And besides, if it's finaced by the tax bill, rich and famous people won't get favourised. Equal civil rights for all.
Ehum, might I ask what's the Sitz im Leben for these "starship" models? :?
There is no way to land an Orion since it will touch down in an a-bomb crater. Once you've ground launched it, it's an all space spacecraft. This means you'll need a fleet of subscale RLV's anyway just to refuel and restock the thing.
There is really only one use for Orions that can't be performed by other craft, ultra heavy lift (provided you think you can take the fallout).
*Oh.
Sorry. Guess I'm a bit rustier on the fine details of the Vietnam War than I'd thought.
Ah, never mind. Since the war actually has two endings (the American pull out in '73 and the South Vietnamese fall of Saigon in '75) it's an easy one to mix up when it's not current brain feed, and then follows consequences as to dates of presidential elections and what not. The famous footage of last US advisory personell trying to get out and the choppers being thrown into the Pacific are from the latter event, for example. I'm sure others made the same error against better actual knowledge as you did, they were probably only better at hiding it.
:;):
Yes Cobra, indeed, I did get confused up by the Stormtroopers, at least to begin with.
Current theory though is that you display an Imperial trooper and Cindy a Republican one (which would be apt), am I correct?
We the Europeans have been at war with each other as far as recorded history goes.
So have everybody else.
Not only that but we are extremely effective at designing more efficient means to do so and we designed our societies around the means to make it happen.
Is it our fault that we are clever and so much more creative than the rest?
Much of our science and technology was learned as means to be more effective killers and we made terrific advances. Even in non direct military advances we learned to make ourselves more competitive or effective in production so that we could be more effective.
Really, and what elements of advanced technology have been endorsed in say, Africa? The ability to buy howitzers and pull the trigger of an AK-47, that's what. The one who masters it is the biggest badass gangstarapper on his turf, while the rest of population live in straw huts and starve to death.
If we did not invent a technology the chances are we warped it into weapons or improved it. Frankly we are scary.
No, by comparison we are no worse than anyone else. Frankly, we are most likely better. Who came up with the laws of conduct in war? We did. Who instituted the principle of seperating civilians from combatants? We did, because we had already separated the individual from the the political order and the political order from religion. In what part of the world did the Red Cross emerge or where was the guiding principle at the height of our civilization always to save women and children at the expense of the males? In Islamistan not bloody likely.
Still under the EU many countries who where the most bitterest of enemies have extended the hand of friendship we have had no war between countries in europe since 1945 and this has been the single longest period of peace Europe has ever had.
Only because one of the factions finally won and was able to shape the world in its image, since that was its intention. Negative marginal utility of conducting war in advanced industrial settings with technology of unheard of destructivess took care of the rest.
Maybe we have grown, maybe we can get along, But whatever happens one of the reasons is that we have the ability to cooperate and the EU has pride of place in having made that happen.
Sure, we can cooperate, no problem referring to the above. Yet one should always watch out for one's back. Western civilisation has grown, but it has been doing so for many centuries with origins and roots of conduct dating back to the Middle Ages and Antiquity, not particularly only during the last 60 years. And rot always starts from within.
*Gennaro, I'm truly flattered you remembered my vote for "Hurdy Gurdy Man" as the greatest rock 'n roll song ever.
Hehe, well I've just kept it in mind somewhere since I felt it was such a perfect cut through the core of the bull.
It's the perfect marriage of many elements which would otherwise seem completely incompatible. Eastern/Hindu nuances combined with hard rock -and- psychedelic? Geez.
Donovan is a genius; no one else has ever accomplished such a musical feat that I'm aware of (as if I'm qualified to say so, ha!).
Indubitably. Just asking myself why he's had such a relatively unfavourable reputation. At least that's the case around these parts. Could it possibly have something to do with a certain black and white movie featuring Mr Dylan on tour in the UK (in his dead serious folk singer pose) and a few not so favourable comments he made, I wonder?
*A few years prior to Nixon's death, he was being carefully built up as an "Elder Statesman." I didn't mind (he was probably no worse than most current or formerly high-powered politicians).
Then when he died there was very little press coverage.
Of course he couldn't have the ceremonial Presidential funeral like Reagan. But it was odd that, after attempts were made to better dignify him, when he died...not much was said.
Actually, I had the exact same reaction. Curious, kind of. If I'd say anything about Nixon, it might be that at least he appeared to try and serve his country behind all that Machiavellian gun smoke, while Johnson was an egomaniac who seems to have been obsessed with nothing but his personal image as a great president. All in all, Nixon was left to sort out the mess which Johnson and to some extent Kennedy had brought about.
That's not denying that both shared a similar fixation with bringing the war to a somewhat successful end (i.e which in Nixon's case largelly implied a vain attempt to save face).
Still, all this time we have Leftists holding up the myth of Nixon as a proxy for all Republicans and Rightists alleging that the toppling of the Nixon Administration led directly to the loss of Vietnam, the bloody rule of the Khmer Rouge and who knows what else.
If Nixon hadn't been brought down, 1975 was an Election Year of course. Had Jimmy Carter still won that Election, it's doubtful he would have carried on that war; most likely he would have ended it.
I'm not sure I'm following you here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the (US) Vietnam War ended in January 1973 and the cease fire and American exit had been negotiated all through the autumn of 1972 (actually, talks had been going on since 1969). The reason the North yielded to a cease-fire at last without a demand for US bombings to end first, was a combination of being left in the cold by Russia and China due to their detente with the US and the Christmas bombings which finally pulled the plug. It had nothing to do with Watergate.
The Khmer Rouge rise to power in 1975 was an effect of the US bombings of Cambodia which had begun in 1969 and which managed to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people in a neutral country (it was also invaded in 1970). This rallied support to the previously marginal Cambodian Communists in the countryside, especially since Prince Shiounuk, the uniting figure of the country, had been ousted and replaced with the America friendly Lon Nol, with the good memory of Washington.
And of course, the US secretly came to support Pol Pot as soon as soon as conflict erupted with Vietnam and continued to do so for many years after he had lost power.
Oh by the way, way cool to have "Deep Throat" identified at last.
Just out of curiosity I downloaded a PDF of the EU constitution to see what all the brouhaha is about. The constitution, the core framework of government, the bones on which everything else rests.
It's three hundred and twenty five pages long. Three hundred and twenty five pages!. It still hasn't loaded the end. They put everything under the sun in there, foreign policy is covered in the constitution. I've only skimmed through a few pages of it and already it looks like an ill-conceived mash, no wonder it's being rejected so forcefully.
Nooo, you found out... had almost hoped this embarrassing document would be passed over in silence.
Indeed, the moronic oligarchy posing as the cream of the crop in Europe and living well on the taxpayer's expense obviously don't even know what a constitution is.
Good luck to anyone trying to read the whole thing.
I'm just not yet convinced that there's all that much to disclose, as cool as a hangar full of reverse-engineered flying saucers would be.
Right. Biggest hurdle is definitely that is sounds just all too unreal and at the same time so mundane and typical of mythological beliefs and fantasies.
Cindy:
*Better explain a bit more. I didn't intend to imply that life elsewhere is likely/mostly predicated on resembling our Earth and Moon, a star just like Sol, etc., down to many fine points. Sure, there can be variables (maybe even startling ones).
But it is true Earth orbits in a "paradise zone." And so far the data shows hot-Jupiters (which may also be brown dwarfs; scientists are not certain) are dominant if not -the- recurrent finding in exoplanet studies to date.
I must say I don't agree with the conclusion implied. We have found over a hundred exoplanets to date. How many stars are there within 100 lightyears? I believe the estimate runs at above 14,000. Strictly speaking, we are finding so many hot Jupiters because they are the easiest planets to find due to star wobble, a lot easier than establishing outer gasgiants, I'd say. In my opinion, there is no reason by far to assume hot Jupiter systems are the most common.
BWhite:
Of course complex life doesn't imply intelligence, Earth was very much alive with no species we'd call intelligent for the vast bulk of its history. My preference would be for that to be the norm, it just makes things easier. And while I can't prove it, my gut and the spirits of the cosmos tell me that such is the case.
Yes, but please look at this a second time. Actually, Earth had nothing but single-celled organisms for about 86 percent of its history, since before then there was no oxygen atmosphere capable of handling the efficient metabolism required. So far I agree entirely.
But once this was in place complex life literally exploded and then it took the planet only 400 million years to produce us. Additionally, what we can discern over this time period, all in all, despite all the setbacks and extinctions, is an irretrievable trend towards greater nerve centre to body mass ratio. In other words, it seems like this is an inherent trait of multicellular lifeforms. We don't know why exactly, since there is no obvious evolutionary advantage in intellligence, it almost appears like adding complexity is a built in feature of life and nature itself.
Add to this the question how many stars have planets? If we rephrase the question to mean how many starsystems have bodies in orbit, I say all of them. Stars capable of sustaining complex life usually are believed to be in the K5-F7 range. There are a lot of those within 100 lightyears. If you need to posit gasgiants in the correct place, stellar age, metallicity, moons and of course rocky planets within the liquid water zone, you're still likely to end up with a considerable number not very far from here.
The end dilemma as I see it, becomes not whether life is rare in the galaxy, but rather where are they. Maybe we are already inside someone's interstellar territory? In that sense the Zoo hypothesis seems quite plausible and in such a case there is no real reason to dismiss visits to our solar system from time to time either.
In the end, I don't really see the objection to extraterrestrial visitation when viewed from the cosmic perspective.
Cobra:
What we do know is that people from all walks of life have seen something, some of those somethings can't be explained by natural or known man-made occurances, and that on occasion governments have given the impression of having something to hide on the subject. For example Roswell.
Naturally, people can imagine all sorts of things, especially when they have vested interest of doing so, or show a desperate need for something to be true. It's when professional pilots are implied to confuse UFO's with planet Venus that it becomes strange.
But there's the rub. If I'm a high-up government muckity-muck looking out for national security and I know that reptiloids from Alpha Draconis regularly stop by and we can't do much about it I could understand the reluctance to admit it. Even more so if some of the more outlandish stories of reverse-engineered alien spacecraft are accurate. "Hey, we got this little saucer that can fold space, we ripped it off from little spacemen, here's the plans."
I know you had to put this down since it was part of mandatory protocol. Nevertheless, I must admit that I don't understand this sort of reasoning at all. *If* we were really visited by the scary reptiles from Alpha Draconis (good as any), then spreading alien technology around would in my opinion be the best long term strategy of countering eventual interstellar threats, apart from benefiting and empowering the human species enormously all by itself, that is.
If there is such a thing as a coverup, I tend to think of other explanations. One could be that intelligence compartmentalization has acquired a life of its own. Need to know is so restricted that heads of government cannot get access, or even heads of intelligence organizations. There are claims that president Carter asked for a full inquiry into the matter, but was denied access by his head of the CIA, for example. He lacked the appropriate security clearence.
Another, which could be combined with the first explanation, has to do with confidence. There might well have been valid security reasons for keeping it all a secret initially, especially when no one knew just exactly what it was or where it came from. I mean, heck, how much did the Russians know about it? As time went by and no reason to tell anything ever really presented itself, and ridicule and intimidation conditioning had already been put into effect, the effects of disclosure would simply have become too embarrasing. The sad story is that once you've started to lie, you must continue to lie. If such a huge absurdity, vehemently denied by everyone credible and responsible, was actually real, what conspiracy theory does not suddenly become entirely plausible? Say, things related to WWII, or need I say 9/11?
Risking my good reputation here, I'll admit that during the last few days I've been around the Internet surveying the subject of extraterrestrial visitation.
I'd like to know if anyone here knows anything about it and if so what you think of Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project. This group tried to bring the subject up to a congressional hearing back in pre-9/11 2001, using several renowned and/or professional witnesses from the inside.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/]http: … oject.org/
Another looney from the land of Hookum? At least some of the people at the press conference which can be viewed from the site appeared both professional and credible to me with long careers inside various parts of the military and civil establishment. That's why I haven't been able to just let it go.
Thoughts? What might be the opinions of members of the scientific and/or engineering community on the board?
The subject seems to be interconnected with electrogravitics/antigravity/zero point energy research, the story of which was told by Nick Cook in the book below and which I've stumbled upon previously for other reasons (though never read):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ … ...8984965
Nick Cook is a long time editor and reporter for Jane's Defence Weekly. In other words he's not your average conspiracy theorist or blueberry.
Songs of America?
One generation got old
One generation got sold
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry!!
Hey now it’s time for you and me
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Come on now we’re marching to the sea
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
well,
We are volunteers of America
volunteers of America
volunteers of America...
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Yeah, I'm drunk and spending my morning hours listening to rock music.
:band:
Besides, Hurdy Gurdy Man, I have to admit, is the best rock song catching the moment in time, all categories. Cindy is right.
And I'm in love with Grace Slick. Don't tell anyone.
Volunteers of America,
volunteers of America...
If disagreement is the sign of a healthy society, it would seem the Coalition is composed of healthier elements? It also seems the Europeans in particular are going on some sort of Group Think. (Sorry...just noticing and commenting...)
Will keep that in mind. Maybe there are those who try to brainwash you and we have their conflicting cousins over here trying to brainwash us? Who knows...
True. Would the persons here who are completely and entirely opposed to the Iraq war be happy if it all did truly unravel and fall apart totally? If everything were ultimately in vain?
For the sake of all the lives lost, I sure hope some good does come of it.
Can't go back in time, can't unscramble eggs
Nah, I wouldn't be too happy if the US continued to make a perfect ass of itself and ever more children had to get their limbs amputated.
Question is what you are trying to achieve in Iraq at all. Keeping the country stable so it won't turn into a civil war between rival factions? Looks like you're putting out the fire with you know what. Don't think you could do so much about it either if that was a fact. The power struggle would only recommence as soon as you leave.
Why not just walk away from it and leave it to the Iraqis themselves? I mean if they want democracy, it's their choice isn't it? Will hurt less the sooner you fold, won't be able to pull any bluffs, anyway.
If I was the US president I'd make preparations to leave the theater all together. Let them keep their Bunker-T and go to hell. Then I'd initaite an ordinary, plain criminal investigation of the 9/11 events, no strings attached.
For Americans anyway, Europeans have every right to complain about it and villify us. No hard feelings, we'll be there when and if you need us.
Thanks for patronizing me. You make me feel like a disgruntled housewife.
No seriously, if the American public just had a better grasp about the world around them, these things wouldn't happen quite so often.
Cobra long ago wrote:
But as I've said on several occasions previously, failure to find weapons doesn't prove a deliberate lie and furthermore those weapons were never my primary reason for supporting the action. To me it broke down essentially like this, if we're going to be fighting Muslim fundamentalists with visions of a Caliphate (admittedly an assumption, though not without basis) then there will be a wide front, perhaps the bulk of the region. We'll need to A: establish a beachhead and B:demonstrate willingness to act. Iraq made a good choice for that all around. If it turns into a thriving democratic nation, so much the better. Unfortunately no government can come right out and say "Hey folks, we're gearing up to throwdown with these guys and we're gonna grab this little country to operate out of and show the hammer, then see who pops their head up."
Your thinking is not unreasonable but in my opinion it's based on flawed assumptions. Reinstating the caliphate I believe is a traditional muslim goal (there is no "moderate" Islam, Islam if taken piously is extremist by its very nature, bent on world domination) but in reality it is only pursued by some fringe groups like bin Laden's who are inconsequential to world politics. And even if it came to pass it would not constitute an actual threat to the west. Their world is too poor, culturally primitive, lacking in resources and population to ever seriously challenge the west as long as we pursue a policy of containment. The only way they can defeat us is by demographic infiltration. This route they do exploit and it's significantly helped along by a western superpower raving about their turf, creating carnage and unstable conditions.
If you on the other hand want to divide and rule the muslim world (I'm not saying you really have to do this), the natural thing would have been to support secular movements. In attacking Iraq, the US did the exact opposite (and not for the first time), destroying a potential ally on the one hand and making life hard on the scatter of democratic elements in the mid-east on the other, as the bloodshed only serves to unite them behind ancient antiwestern agendas.
The stumbling block is and has always been Israel, I reckon, who does not want secular, well ordered and strong arab societies, being probably a lot more content with Jihad morons who are good for nothing but slamming swords into their foreheads. It also helps retaining the precious image of being the eternal victim, which is of no small value considering position, power and status on a worldwide scale.
I believe your support for your government's actions largelly relies on the presumption that what is done is because of some greater hidden wisdom the public is too ignorant or too bleeding-hearted to understand. I would however rather think of the whole thing as a farce of banality, pursued by a small interest group that dominate US politics, exert total control over mass-media and have small regard for the average American apart from their use as tools of the trade. They simply do their thing because they can.
If there is any lesson to learn from the Star Wars saga it's that no particular system is inherently good just because it says it is. And this is even partly in contradiction to the implied message of the films.
What is worse, those who are convinced they're the good side, democratic and all that phraseology yet end up in the wrong, or those who are honest about the power they exercise, call themselves dictators and dress in black uniforms, but do the right thing?
And yes, it's true the drama displayed in Star Wars is ancient and has mythical significance. More precisely, it's partly a Promethean myth. Goes through Roman history in the forms of the Gracchi, Caesar and Diocletian to name a few and there are elements of it in the 20th century revolutionary movements as well, like Cobra is pointing out.
Haven't seen the new one yet, but hopes aren't highly set so who knows, I might even like it.
A bit off topic, but a couple of basic flaws of the new film series in my opinion:
1) Centres too much on characters and the impact of a handful of protagonists on the fate of an entire galaxy.
2) Too many reconnections with the earlier movies (of which really only part 4 and 5 were any good, by the way). For example, why should R2D2 feature in part 1 as the later Darth Vader's personal droid!? Why should Anakin come from Tatooine? In part 4 it was said of Tatooine: "well, if there is a bright centre in the universe this it the place it's farthest from". In the new movies you get the impression Tatooine is at the very centre of the universe, next to Courausant and Naboo. Why does the planet feature at all until possibly late in the third episode, I wonder? There are many examples of this sort of bad script writing.
3) Time. To cover the later period of the republic, it would have been advisable to let each installment cover at least a couple of years. Adventures running over a few days simply don't make any sense.
4) And then it's Jar Jar, the action exaggerations (which began in part 6 and the remakes and only have become worse since then), silly droid armies, and all the usual laments of course.
There, guess I had my fill of cranky nerdiness for the day now.
I think each system or even parts of systems would very much have their own governments, in other words, humanity will drift apart, whether we plan for it or not. The distances are simply too great and the particulars of ruling would be too diverse for a central authority to be of much influence or even purpose.
Just consider the antimatter photon drive, which is the fastest means of transportation imaginable to known physics. It can reach the end velocity of the speed of light (disregarding Einstein), but that would still mean a transit time of over 4 years just to reach the closest star system. If our presence extended to say Eta Cassiopeiae at 19.98 lightyears, an interstellar dreadnaught would take at least 20 years to reach it.
If faced with an outside threat, considered such a scenario is thinkable, the human species would on the other hand surely gather and cooperate to defeat it, more or less by instinct, I guess.
Perhaps one could imagine some nominal Emperor and his council directly ruling Sol, but his real authority would quite possibly be even less than that of the Holy Roman Empire after the Peace of Westphalia. There is not even any compelling reason for all of Earth to fall under his domain, actually. The point of such an authority, however, might nevertheless be infrastructural or other immense projects that individual colonies couldn't pull off by themselves. Such as early efforts on early stages of colonization, for instance.
If any, I think interstellar political control would in a way more resemble medieval Europe, both horizontally and vertically, rather than the modern national state.
It's 1900, and you belong to the Aeronauts Society. What will be possible technologically 100 years from now? Regulaly scheduled dirigibles, airships that can be guided about the skies just as an ocean liner is steered about the seas! Steam-powered cars in place of horse carriages, with enclosed cockpits, roll-down windows, self charging batteries for electric blankets and lights for travelling at night, fueling stations along macadam-layered two-lane hiways. Railway steam trains with every convenience of home, travelling at 100 miles per hour and more nonstop between cities. Worldwide wireless Morse-code communication using the Marconi technique. Physical science has come up with answers to every imaginable challange Your mind boggles!
Now it's 1910, and the same question comes up. Airships circumnavating the Earth pole-to-pole, with all the conveniences of home. Electrically-powered cars in place of steamers, with lightweight efficient batteries for all the comforts of home, with replacement battery stations along four-lane concrete paved turnpikes. Electric railway trains like rolling hotels, for intercontenental travel, worldwide, with trans-ocean airship connections, as well as aeroplane taxi services to midcontenent city centres. Picture telephone service between buildings within cities. Worldwide radio-telephony communication using vacuum tube amplification technique. Physical science has been turned on its head.Your mind continues to boggle on.
Now it's today, with your predictations for the coming 100 years,made every 10 years,compounding in error until almost nothing technological today is acrding to your attempts at prdictions.
Okay, in 100 years, we're gonna have ...
*Laughs*.
Great fun post there, dicktice. Can't resist some nitpicking though. By 1900 gas driven automobiles had taken over from steamcars. They were a fairly common sight in Berlin and Paris at the time, although it admittedly took longer for the US to catch up. In the United States most early cars were in fact electrical and only used locally in urban settings (due to the undeveloped road network).
Also, by 1900 telegraph wire was old hat, the telephone already having reached a decent spread, so people at that time probably wouldn't have expected "worldwide wireless Morse-code communication using the Marconi technique" as the next big thing.
By the way, I agree with Cindy. Technological advances don't seem to change the world at nearly the same pace as they once did.
Changed my mind about posting. Again.