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#26 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-24 11:34:36

GW Johnson wrote:

The Tu-144 was the Russian supersonic transport airliner.  It had a cruise speed of Mach 2.16 and a max speed of 2.35.  Mach 2-2.5 airplane designs are a whole lot easier to match engine and supersonic inlet.  What I remember,  and what I read today jibes well:  it worked,  but it also had a lot of problems that caused a lot of trouble.  It and the Anglo-French Concorde were actually rather similar airplanes.

If Mach 2-ish at 18-20 km is enough,  then a turbojet airplane like that could be a first stage for a second stage or second/third stage combination.  But that payload would have to be rather small and very well-streamlined,  or your first stage won't even reach that Mach 2-ish condition.  Ain't gonna work to have a big piggyback item for a payload in supersonic flight.

Not to mention the supersonic store separation problem.  That was tried with the D-21 drone atop a variant of the SR-71,  till it killed a crew in a collision during separation.  Very,  very serious risk,  staging at supersonic speeds down in sensible air.

GW Johnson wrote:

I worked on ASALM.  It was a supersonic cruise missile designed for Mach 4 cruise at 80,000 feet (24 km).  It was an integral booster-equipped kerosene ramjet.  Airframe was martensitic stainless steel,  simple cylindrical form,  wingless,  chin inlet.  It flew 6.5 of 7 tries perfectly in 1980.  The very first test had a throttle-runaway accident,  and accidentally reached Mach 6 at 20 kft-ish altitude (around 6 or 7 km).  We only considered that one half successful. However,  the airbreather accelerated the vehicle from Mach 2.5 to Mach 6 in only several seconds.

Well, when we started talking about it, let me describe in details, how my spaceplane is presumed to fly into space.

Take off from a regular runway, on four turbojet engines of the first stage (the two - fuselage tandem airframe, mounted under the big wing of the second stage, which you could see on the drawings). For additional acceleration during takeoff, the rocket engine of the third stage could be also employed, for a short time; but this would burn rocket fuel needed when we'd climb higher, and so I don't like this possibility, this is just to mention.

Four turbojets of the first stage climb the system to altitude about 20 - 25 km, and velocity about М2.3 - М2.5. On this altitude and velocity, ramjets of the second stage are ignited (more precisely, this altitude and velocity is dependent on the characteristics of ramjets: on which minimal velocity and altitude they are able to ignite, provided we're trying to specialize them for maximal velocities and altitudes). During some time, when thrust from ramjets is not very high yet, the system could accelerate with turbojets and ramjets, working simultaneously; moreover, it would be even possible to implement a pass-through for fuel from first stage to the second one, so when ramjets are burning with first stage attached, they are fed by fuel from tanks of the first stage.

Then, it's time to separate the first stage; I know, it could be the problem, but it surely could be solved. For example, if thrust of turbojets of the first stage would be slightly stronger than thrust of ramjets of the second stage, the first stage could move slightly forward (no obstacles there due to geometry); and as wing load per square of the first stage is significantly stronger as compared to wing load per square of the second stage (because wings of the first stage are so small), the first stage would also move slightly down. That way, the stages could safely separate (I know, some problems could also appear due to Bernoulli effect between aerodynamical planes of first and second stages, and supersonic shock waves, etc.; but it all surely can be sorted out, we just need to work upon it, for example trying to work out separation of stages on small flying RC models).

After the first stage is separated, the two rear vertical stabilizers are unnfolded (as shown on the drawings), and the stage fly on it's own small wings to the  runway (still using it's turbojets, or maybe even gliding). Ramjets of the second stage climb the system to altitude about 50 - 60 km, and velocity about M5 - M6. We need to specialize the ramjets to work on maximal altitudes; it's also possible to inject on high altitudes some liguid oxidizer in burning chambers of ramjets (so they would still burn even on very high altitudes - this is not my idea); but nevertheless, on very high altitudes their thrust became weaker. So, on some moment, a rocket engine of the third stage is ignited, fed by fuel and oxidizer from the second stage (the second stage plays a role of external fuel tank). For some time, weaking ramjets are working together with rocket engine. Than, ramjets are shot down, and the system climbs into space on the rocket engine of the third stage, fed by fuel from the second stage (geometrically, we could store a lot of fuel there).

Having burned all the fuel/oxidizer from second stage, the system reach on altitude of about 100 km, or even higher (nearest space, out of atmosphere), with horizontal velocity about 1.5 km/sec. There, the second and the third stages are separated (no atmosphere, no problem with separation). Than, the second stage fly down, glide and land on the runway; when the third stage, full of fuel/oxidizer, obtain with it's rocket engine these additional 6.5 km/sec, reaching low Earth orbit.

It's worth to mention: we really could see the second stage (the big wing) as an external fuel tank. The matter is, it could be done very light (with very good mass efficiency). The mass of ramjets, themselves, could also be low; at the contrary to turbojets, there are nothing to be heavy in ramjets (no compressor, no turbine). The big fat wing of the second stage could be done in a way, that it keeps itself strong just by internal pressure, like inflatable toy (of course, there is some art in making it's internal fuel/oxidizer tanks, so they would keep the aerodynamical form of that big wing just by internal pressure; but that could be done). Also, this (nearly inflatable) wing could have a sharp leading edge attached, and this leading edge could be cooled by flow of fuel/oxidizer, pumped through the internal channels of the edge before using.

Being so light, the second stage needs no heat protection (maybe, it only should be done from heat-proof materials: hot frame), gliding through atmosphere to land on a runway. On the contrary, the third stage (spaceship) would need heat protection; although not so thick as the Shuttle or Buran had, because of much less wing load per square.

It seems to be all; but, as far as we started the techical talks, I'll try to explain my invention of multiple and multistaged refuelings, and all the other things, concerning interplanetary flights on completely reusable spaceships.

And so, the third stage of the spaceplane (spaceship) is flying around the Earth, on LEO, with (nearly) empty fuel tanks. Let's imagine, what if we don't load any cargo to some another similar spaceship, and launch it to orbit, somewhere nearly by the first one? As there is no cargo loaded, it'll arrive with some rest of fuel/oxidizer in its tanks. What if we dock these spaceships together, and transfer this small rest of fuel/oxydizer into tanks of the first one (of course, docking devices should be provided)?

Ok, transferring of fuel/oxidizer is over, spaceships undocked, and the second one is going to land. Let's launch yet another spaceship without cargo, so it transfer the small rest of fuel/oxidizer into tanks of the first spaceship, than undock and land. And so on, and on, and on - let's launch new and new spaceships without cargo one after another (or only one - but launch it many times), so they'll dock to the first spaceship with small rest of fuel/oxidizer, than transfer the fuel/oxidizer into its tanks, than undock and land (for simplification, I'll sometimes say "fuel", meaning "fuel/oxidizer").

It's easy to see, that we could repeat such a procedure, until we end up with fuel/oxidizer tanks of the first spaceship completely full. This is especially convenient exactly with completely reusable spaceplanes: because of their minimal cost per launch. (In fact, all elements of my spaceplane are reusable for hundred and thousand times, nearly like an aircraft; the only exception is the rocket engine of the third stage: it also could be reusable, but it's working lifetime probably would be much smaller, so we'll need to provide a possibility to easily change the worn-out engine by the new one).

And so, after a few (about 10 - 15, depending on mass efficiency) additional refueling launches, we could have the third stage (spaceship) completely refuelled on LEO. It makes possible bringing the cargo on high orbit, or even flying around the Moon. But again, what if our spaceship just moved on high circular orbit, using some fuel? Couldn't we completely refuel it there? Of course yes: we just need to launch one other spaceship, that would accumulate fuel on LEO from arriving spacepllanes, and than brought it to high orbit, using some fuel for that. And so on, and on, and on: in that way, we could fly to every possible highest Earth orbit, including geostationary. And also we could fly to Moon, came up to Moon orbit, and return to LEO.

At that, we see, most of times the spaceships would carry not a payload, but the fuel/oxidizer; and it would be good to implement specialized spaceship (the third stage) to carry only fuel/oxidizer. Of course, the fuel/oxidizer should be carried in the same tanks that are used for feeding engines (no need to divide them); but, because specialized tanker spaceship will return to Earth always empty, and because there should be no cargo bay between fuel and oxidizer tanks, the tanker could be done lighter, with smaller wings and less heat protection; so it would be more mass - effective, as compared with the general cargo (or passenger) spaceship (and this is the very reason, why it's profitable to implement the reusable tanker: in fact, every spaceship could be used as tanker, it's only less mass - effective). 

Also, as we could see, sometimes we'll use some tankers in space without need to return them to Earth: for example, to routinely carry fuel from low orbit to high orbit, an then return to low orbit, to get fuel again. That way, some tankers could be used in space until their rocket engines would wore out. But then, we could implement also unreturnable tankers: without wings and heat protection (which would made them again more mass effective). Those unreturnable tankers could be used to shorten expenses for some operation on orbit.

The docking device for such operations would be better done "universal" and standartized, all the same for all spaceships. Such a docking device could be seen on my drawings: every device have one hollow rod and one funnel (pipelines to fuel/oxydizer tanks should be able to recommutate by valves: so fuel and oxidizer wouldn't be mixed).

Also, it seems profitable to choose the one, standard fuel/oxidizer, that would be used for all possible space operations (this fuel/oxidizer would be also used to climb spaceplane to the orbit, because it is used by rocket engine of the third stage). This fuel/oxidizer should not be cryogenic, because it should not evaporate when spaceship is heated under the sunlight. When I invented this project (it was nearly 1999yr, or maybe 2000), first I thought about standard Soviet non-cryogenic fuel (unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine + nitrogen tetroxide); but, it was clear even then, this standard fuel pair should be choosen very thorougly, and maybe some other variant appear in future. After that invention became known to others in summer 2005, nearly in winter 2009/2010, I obtained interesting hint from my team: for the standard oxidizer, we could use concentrated hydrogen peroxide. It is good for manned flight, because oxygen, water and energy could be obtained from it (and also, it is a good one-component fuel, e.g. for rocket backpack). Concerning the fuel for this oxidizer, there are a few variants (they were researched by Valentin Glushko): the best seem ordinary kerosene (Imp = 320sec), or pentaborane (Imp=380sec). Kerosene seems somewhat weak, pentaborane much better, but it is very toxic. So it rather depends on how good mass efficiency we could reach: if the Martian flight could be done with kerosene, than ok, but if not - than pentaborane seems to be better choise.

All those standard third stages: cargo, tanker, unreturnable tanker - are good for different operations in space (e.g. they could be used as orbital transfer vehicles for different satellites, provided the satellite has simple docking device, without refueling capability, just one funnel); but for landing on Moon and Mars, special landing modules should be additionally implemented.

The Lunar landing module could be very simple, transported on low Earth orbit in cargo bay, than refueled and transferred (of course, the standard docking device should be provided) to low Moon orbit. After several landing and take offs again on the Moon orbit (every time refueled) it could be abandoned there, or even returned back to Earth. Lunar module itself shouldn't posess a cabin for pilots:  most time, it'll transfer to/from the Moon some cargo, attached right on it's deсk. But if we want to land people on the Moon, a lightweight cabin could be mounted on the deсk, making the lunar module able to carry people.

The Martian landing module is the quite different thing. Mars have some atmosphere, and it's orbital velocity is higher. Therefore, we'll need much more fuel, to land even one man to Mars, and bring him back again to the low Martian orbit. And so, the Martian landing module could be done as a (very specific) third stage of my spaceplane; it takes off and climbs to LEO like the usual third stage; than, after a few refuelings, it is transferred to low Martian orbit, refueled again, and preparing to land on Mars (a man, or a crew of two, would enter into this apparatus from "ordinary" spaceship with living module, by docking on Martian orbit). During landing on Mars, the landing module got slower by reaction of Martian atmosphere (gliding on high velocity), and than lands on it's tail (as it could be seen on drawings). After the crew visited Mars, the module starts again to low Marian orbit (we'll need some thermal protection, and even some thermal shield on the bottom of the apparatus, to protect fuel from boiling during gliding through Mars atmosphere; and the mass efficiency should be really good, to made possible climbing to low Martian orbit again).

Landing on asteriods is an easier thing: the rocket backpack is enough, no other module is needed.

Also, it's worth mentioning, that wings and thermal protection of all those third stages (cargo, passenger, tanker, Mars landing module) could be profitably used for interplanetary trasportation. When the third stage (spaceship) arrives to planet with interplanetary velocity (e.g. backing to Earth from Moon, or arriving to Mars, etc.) it should made the velocity slower, in order to transfer into circular orbit. This could be done by flying through upper layers of the atmosphere of the planet on the high altitide, so the spaceship won't stay sunk in the atmosphere, but should exit from it back to space (with slower velocity). That way, transferring to the high elliptical orbit and passing through upper layers of atmosphere each time when at minimal altitude, spaceship could got much slower and transfer to low circular orbit - which would demand a lot of fuel without such an atmospherical trick.

This project was invented by me during 1997..2000 years; and in summer 2005, it became known to other people. At the moment, it is my intellectual property. Also, in order to prove my authorship and priority, I would pass a modern variant of lie detector (subliminal questions, answers from the unconscious, but without any possible control or accountability).

#27 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-24 00:28:45

GW Johnson wrote:

The Tu-144 was the Russian supersonic transport airliner.

Just a small political remark meanwhile. Tu-144 was not "Russian", but *Soviet* supersonic airliner. I know, on the West it's usual to think that Soviet always mean Russian. This habit is profitable for Russians, but in fact it's wrong, especially in the field we're discussing on.

USSR was *not* the Russian Empire. Formally, USSR was a union of free national states, called "republics". In all constitutions of USSR, it was always stated that every republic have a right to dissipate from USSR. For example, Joseph Stalin insisted on that "right to dissipation" in Constitution of USSR, arguing that otherwise USSR shouldn't be called "union of free republics". And when in 1991 Soviet republics really decided to dissipate, it was mainly due to that.

Of course, Soviet republics transferred some attributes of sovereighnity to Union: the USSR had centralized army, the one currency (rouble), and generally, it was very centraized state. But still, all national republics had their own flags, coat-of-arms, national anthems, they had their own elected government bodies. In Soviet passports, a "nationality" field was provided, and all Soviet republics had their own official national languages.

I write that, because when we talk about engines of Tu-144, if you called Tu-144 "Russian" it might sound like I have less moral rights to mention it (taking into account that Russia now is waging war against my country, Ukraine). But, in that connection, let's not forget that founding father of Soviet turbojet engine industry was Chief Designer, academician Arkhip Ljulka, and he was Ukrainian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkhip_Lyulka

And, as we're discussing aerospace industry: nearly all of Soviet Chief Designers, these who created power and glory of Soviet aerospace industry, were Ukrainians.

Sergey Korolev (Sputnik, Gagarin, first lunar and martian probes - you can't forget it)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev

Valentin Glushko (engines for Korolev rockets, lots of space engine research, and the most powerful Soviet rocket, Energiya)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Glushko

Vladimir Chelomey (Proton rocket, Moon project, spaceplane project, space stations and a lot of military space research)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Chelomey

Gleb Lozino-Lozinskiy (spaceplanes: Buran, Spiral project, MAKS project)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleb_Lozino-Lozinskiy

Grigory Kisunko (strategic anti-missile defence)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кисунько, … Васильевич

I write that, just to explain, why I insist that "Soviet" doesn't mean "Russian". Especially in aerospace industry, "Soviet" very often mean rather "Ukrainian". And this is not only words: often, this is major scientific priorities, giving important rights.

#28 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-23 13:50:12

GW Johnson wrote:

To this I would add the comment that no combined-cycle engine concept is an off the shelf item ready-to-apply, any more than scramjet is. Both have been “15 or 20 years away” since the 1960’s,  same as controlled fusion.  You cannot go to a manufacturer anywhere and buy one.  They don’t work yet,  except as very limited,  extremely-experimental devices.

If under "combined-cycle" you mean something like SABRE engines of Skylon, then it's agreed. These combined devices seems impossible in real world; too much adverticement with no results.

GW Johnson wrote:

That being the case, I see no practical applications for spaceplane concepts except as multi-stage devices to low Earth orbit, and then only for delivery of people at low payload fraction, not bulk cargo.

Surely, spaceplanes are not intended to bring lots of tons of cargo on orbit; instead, they could fly to orbit very frequently, with minimal price per kilogram.

But also, you forget my invention of multiple and multistage refueling; this made it possible for reusable spaceplanes to reach Moon, Mars, asteriods, and so on.

To bring a lot of cargo on orbit, surely it's better to use reusable rockets (not as much re-launches as for spaceplanes, but much more cargo per one launch). If someone would be interested, I have a project (it's my intellectual property, either) of such a completely reusable rocket (taking as a prototype rocket Energiya):
http://lychakivsky.dreamwidth.org/7959.html

GW Johnson wrote:

And I don’t think anybody will ever do that job with a turbojet-powered first stage. The frontal thrust density is just too impossibly low for anything like that to ever be practical! You’re much better off with rockets that can produce gobs of thrust from a small package at takeoff, just when you need it most, because your takeoff weight is so heavy.

Let me remember you Ukrainian "Mriya" aircraft. It is not only the most powerful cargo aircraft in the world - it also is intended to be exactly the said turbojet first stage for space launch. Maybe, you heard about MAKS project (small shuttle with external fuel tank) or "Air launch" (two-staged rocket system; as far as I'm informed they even evolutionize it to complete reusability), both intended to start from the top of "Mriya".

GW Johnson wrote:

The statement that "supersonic ramjets" are 1 < M < 6 is NOT actually correct in real practice.  There are low speed designs that cover 0.7 < M < 2-ish,  and high-speed designs that cover 1.8/2.5 < M < 4-to-6 (limited at both ends more by airframe drag relative to available thrust).  They differ by some very specific geometric features that you just cannot convert back-and-forth.

In my project, ramjets should start at M2.5 h=25km, and climb upward to M5(6) h=50 km. So they could be specialized for that altitudes and velocities (by "some very specific geometric features", as you have said).

GW Johnson wrote:

I don't think you'll like the engine inert weights or the required frontal cross-sections for a turbojet first stage, either. The numbers entirely rule out vertical takeoff,  and it looks rather ridiculous for horizontal takeoff,  if your payload is bigger than a small dog.

Why? If we take, just for estimate, turbojet engines of Soviet Tu - 144: it's four engines enable take-off weight of more than 200 000 kg (with the aerodynamic characteristics, very similar to my spaceplane); so, if we'd implement my concept of spaceplane with those engines, we would end up with final cargo on LEO estimately 2 000 - 3 000 kg (which is already not bad). And those engines were implemented in 1960s; now, after half a century pass, I think it would be possible to implement more powerful engines, so take-off weight could be nearly 500 000 kg, and final cargo on LEO - estimately 5 000 kg. That would made achiveable all the claimed functionality: including manned trip to Moon, Mars, and asteroids.

#29 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-23 12:32:23

I'm writing somewhat large answer on all the questions;  it should take some time, but just a small remark meanwhile.

kbd512 wrote:

Space Shuttle never had a real military purpose.

Oh really? Have you ever heard about SDI? It's orbit-located components (many hundred of tons) were supposed to be brought to orbit by Space Shuttles. In fact, it was the success of Shuttle, what made SDI a real threat for USSR.

kbd512 wrote:

If your design does, then see if you can convince the Russian government to develop your design.

Russian? You said that? Don't forget, that my country Ukraine is waging heavy non-declared war against nuclear Russia, at the time when the West is afraid even to sell us infantry anti-tank missiles, let alone to uphold the obligations due to Budapest Memorandum (it was nuclear disarmament of Ukraine under safety guarantees from the US and UK, let me remember it).

Don't call me a traitor.

#30 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-23 03:33:06

kbd512 wrote:

Is there any technical basis for the claim that the Star Raker would not be able to reach orbit, or is that just an opinion?

This is easy to estimate. On turbojet engines, the Star Raker will reach approximately v=1km/sec, h=30km. All the rest of the speed and altitude needed to climb on the orbit must be reached on a rocket engine, while still carrying heavy take-off chassis, spent turbojet engines, as well as wings and fuel tanks completely covered by heat protection. For conventional (non-nuclear) rocket engines, this is impossible with the mass efficiency provided by modern materials.


kbd512 wrote:

Are there any operational scramjet engines larger than the ones on small missiles?

Among large flying vehicles - in the 1950s, Soviet big intercontinental cruise missile "Burya" had flown. Please read:
http://www.airbase.ru/sb/russia/lavochkin/la/350/


kbd512 wrote:

If not, then this concept is no more feasible than Star Raker.  I've never seen or heard of any operational scramjet-powered vehicles, although NASA and DoD have certainly tried on several occasions.  Personally, I think both concepts are grossly unrealistic on a cost-per-flight basis.  The US had an operational lift body program for decades, but nobody I know of would ever argue that it was in any way cost-effective.

Supersonic ramjets (1M < v < 6M) are well-calculated scientifically and could be scaled for large aircraft. Primarily, they were not put on large aircraft simply because they can not work on zero velocity, without an accelerating block. But the first stage that I invented, which you see on the drawings, is just such an accelerating block. From the point of view of costs efficiency per one flight, supersonic ramjets are much better than rocket engines, because they have a much larger working life.


kbd512 wrote:

The Soviets had one flight with Buran, but that vehicle was every bit as unrealistic to operate, on a cost-per-flight basis, as the Space Shuttle was.

It is a big mistake to reduce all the world to commercial efficiency. Both Shuttle and Buran were created more from considerations of national prestige and global military confrontation. Without success of Apollo and Shuttle, the US would stay below the USSR in space race, which would have decisive consequences for the development of the whole global political situation: without these projects, we would live in a completely different world now.


kbd512 wrote:

Few, if any, fully reusable vehicles confer operating cost advantages over current reusable booster technology rockets like Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy.  I doubt this concept is any different in that regard.

It rather depends on what kind of commercial payload you are counting on. If we are talking about a few launches per year, then maybe SpaceX reusable boosters could be enough.

However, for example, novadays we face the task of creating a global space Internet, based on many thousands of satellites. For this project (which, by the way, is commercially very profitable), reusable rocket boosters have too small working life, they require too expensive maintenance before each launch and they are not completely reusable when flying to high orbits. Such a large number of satellites could be placed on orbits and maintained much cheaply and conveniently by the spaceplane, which would provide a significantly lower price per kilogram on orbit, and could be re-launched much more times, without need in additional pre-launch service (this is exactly a reason why reusable spaceplane is better than reusable rocket booster).

In addition to commercial payload, this spaceplane could also become a key for a wide variety of military applications ("star wars").

Thus, it is profitable to create such a spaceplane, the costs of its creation should be justified: both from a commercial and from a military point of view. And if this spaceplane would be created, it could be used also for prestigious achievements in space explorations. Only a Martian landing module should be added - and the same, commercially profitable spaceplane, could be used to fly to Mars. For flights to the Moon, a lunar landing module is additionally needed; for landing on asteroids - a rocket backpack (and it also could be commercially profitable: e.g. space tourism).

#31 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-22 01:41:32

kbd512 wrote:

This is akin to the fully reusable Rockwell Star Raker concept, but substantially more complicated.

Not quite so. Rockwell Star Raker, and all similar HTHL SSTO concepts (X-30, Skylon, etc.) are plainly not realistic. To put it simply, they would not be able to reach orbital velocity. It is by far not possible to reach these 7.9km/sec in space using only one reusable stage (with non-nuclear engines, to be specific).

Moreover, even when you use two reusable stages (e.g. in Saenger-2 concept), reaching of orbital velocity seems also nearly impossible. Maybe, it could be possible in future, with more sophisticated turboramjet engines - but not at the present level of technology; and even if the two-staged concept would in future become able to reach orbit, anyway its mass effectiveness would be much, much worse as compared to three-staged design. But again, if you already use two stages, so your spaceplane is not all-in-one thing anyway, so why not use three stages? Especially, taking into account, that three staged concept perfectly fits for three different types of engines: turbojet, ramjet, rocket.

This design provides the possibility to reach orbit on the present level of technology; and with using of multiple and multistaged refuelings - it also makes possible reaching of all Earth orbits, Moon, Mars, asteroids on the same universal spaceship. I have not seen any other realistic concept of spaceplane, that would be even nearly so powerful and universal.

#32 Interplanetary transportation » Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, reaching Moon & Mars. » 2017-05-21 13:20:07

Yuri Pilipishin
Replies: 46

Three - staged, completely reusable spaceplane, with horizontal take off and landing; the first stage uses turbojet engine, the second stage uses ramjet (scramjet) engine, the third stage with rocket engine (the second stage is also used as an external fuel tank for the rocket engine of the third stage). A special feature is the possibility of multiple refuelings of the spaceship (the third stage) by (reusable) tankers, made in the same tanks which are used for climbing into orbit; such refuelings coulds be also multi - staged, due to which the spaceship could reach even a geostationary orbit, Moon, Mars and asteroids (the only price is the amount of launches of reusable tankers, and the time needed).

For landing on the Moon and Mars, special reusable modules are used.

In order to significally reduce amount of launches, needed for Mars mission, cheap standard non - reusable tankers could also be engaged (they are used for transporting fuel in space, and could be abandoned in space, presumably on Mars orbit, after mission is finished)

That way, this is the only available realistic project (as far as I know) making it possible for humans to reach Moon, Mars, asteroids, and return back to Earth, using non - nuclear reusable spaceship.

The general design could be understood from drawings:

drawing 1

drawing 2

A more detailed description of the project is in Ukrainian, those who are interested could translate it by Google (please note, this is all my intellectual property):

http://lychakivsky.dreamwidth.org/7865.html
http://lychakivsky.dreamwidth.org/8214.html
http://lychakivsky.dreamwidth.org/13658.html

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